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I have some questions about the current status of the WEU, if you would be so kind.
I noticed that the WEU website here lists that there are 10 states with full member status of the Western European Union military alliance:
However, I was wondering if the WEU is still 10 member states. On the WEU Assembly website, it lists updated member delegations as of 5 October 2009. This currently lists 27 members of the Western European Union (excluding associates, observers, etc). In addition, Wikipedia.com has also seemed to notice this difference. While about 1 month ago the entry for WEU had 10 full member states. Now, the profile for the WEU lists there to be 27 member states other than observers and associates (the bottom of the page does not reflect this change but still lists 10 full members).
I was wondering if the Western European Union is still a military alliance with only 10 full members with full voting rights, or if this has recently been expanded to 27 members with full voting rights? If the WEU has been expanded, I was also simply curious as to why there was no major news reporting of such a massive increase in membership in a mutual-defense treaty organization (that I am aware of). Is this because the EU is basically now a treaty organization under Lisbon, so a change in WEU status would only simply be administrative?
eschologizer wrote:Yeah I see what you mean, keithareilly. That very well may be the case.
Perhaps, as you said, the 10 were the only one's who actually signed the treaty but others were sort of just added.
Nevertheless, I wonder what this means from a prophecy standpoint. The Bible simply talks about a group of 10 kings, (not a group of treaty signatories, just a group of 10 kings). So theoretically, if this group of ten kings were to change size in any fashion that would be of interest from a prophetic standpoint. So I am curious as to how all this relates together.
Regardless, I don't really know. I have been wrong before many times. One thing is for sure: the WEU has successfully confused me.
The Assembly of the Western European Union is an assembly for delegations from the national parliaments of the member countries of the Western European Union (WEU), a security and defence organisation.
History and legality
Located in Paris, the Assembly was founded in 1954 when the 1948 Brussels Treaty on European security and defence cooperation was modified to establish the Western European Union. It contains an unconditional mutual defence commitment on the part of member states (Article V). The article stipulates that - “If any of the High Contracting Parties should be the object of an armed attack in Europe, the other High Contracting Parties will, in accordance with the provisions of Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, afford the Party so attacked all the military and other aid and assistance in their power”.
The Assembly, whose first session was held on 5 July 1955, scrutinizes the full implementation of the collective defence obligation laid down in Article V of the treaty. Article IX of the modified Brussels Treaty obliges WEU member governments represented in the Council to provide national parliamentarians, who sit in the Assembly, with a written annual report on their security and defence activities. As yet no such obligation exists on the part of the European Council vis-à-vis the European Parliament. Hence, the Assembly is currently acting as an interparliamentary forum for the European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP) on the basis of parliamentary instruments for which the WEU legal framework makes provision. Following the transfer of the WEU’s operational activities to the EU, the Assembly’s interparliamentary scrutiny continues to monitor and support intergovernmental cooperation in the field of security and defence, thereby increasing transparency and democratic accountability. The work of the Assembly and its recommendations, to which governments are bound to reply, ensure that cooperation between governments at the European level is mirrored by cooperation between national parliamentarians meeting at the same level.
39 European countries, including all EU and European NATO member states, have the right to send parliamentary delegations to the Assembly. It currently has nearly 400 members. Many are members of the defence, foreign or European affairs committees in their own parliaments.
The EU High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP), Javier Solana, who is responsible for the ESDP, is at the same time the WEU Secretary-General, thus creating a link between both organisations at the highest executive level. The current Assembly of WEU President is Robert Walter (UK), who took over from Jean-Pierre Masseret(France, Socialist group) in 2008.
The Secretary General / Clerk to the Assembly is Mr Colin Cameron (British).
Finaldash wrote:Wow!! Is somebody out there trying to confuse us?
39 European countries, including all EU and European NATO member states, have the right to send parliamentary delegations to the Assembly. It currently has more than 400 members. Many are members of the defence, foreign or European affairs committees in their own parliaments. The number of delegates depends on the size of the country.
Members of the Assembly comprise parliamentarians of all the EU member states (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom). All members of the delegations from the 27 member states of the European Union are offered the same rights in the Assembly, in particular the right to speak, vote and propose amendments in plenary sessions and committee meetings.
Associates are European members of NATO who are not members of the EU (Albania, Croatia, Iceland, Norway and Turkey).
Partners include other European countries (in particular Bosnia and Herzegovina, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, the Russian Federation, Serbia and Ukraine).
Delegations from other parliaments, the European Parliament or other interparliamentary assemblies may be invited to attend sessions of the Assembly as parliamentary observers.
keithareilly wrote:Look at it this way,
The ten full members of the WEU have a military alliance in the Modified Brussels Treaty.
The rest of the EU nations have NATO and other alliances but are just establishing a European economic alliance, hence all the fuss about the recent ratifications of the EU treaty, an economic treaty, not military.
The Modified Brussels treaty and the ten member nations are being incorporated into the EU as a military pillar to discourage attacks on other EU nations. Yet, no treaty establishes the same military alliance with those other nations. So if an EU nation that is not a full WEU member nation is attacked, the WEU ten nations and the WEU Council are not required by treaty to respond.
The WEU Coucil exists by the text of Modified Brussels treaty, the organization running the ten full-member WEU nations. This is in the text of the Modified Brussels treaty. The 'Assembly' is an organization that helps link the WEU ten nation military alliance with the rest of the EU. If the ten full member nations and Council are the pillar, then the Assemble is the buttress where the pillar meets and supports the EU.
With the WEU Assembly, there exists a forum for discussing what the WEU ten full member nations will do if a non full member EU nation is attacked. The WEU Assembly does not have the authority over the WEU Council of ten but it can request the Council of ten agree to help other EU nations even if those nations are not one of the ten. The Separation of the Council from the Assembly preserves the ability of the Council to say 'No'. On the other hand, if one of the ten is attacked, there exists a military treaty forcing them to war and this would be handled by the Council not the Assembly.
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