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1whowaits wrote:Mark, in Rev, when John was caught up to heaven, was he in the future, or was he in his present being given a demonstration of future events? Were the future events John saw occurring right at the time John saw them? Considering that much of what John was shown was symbolic of what will come in the future (beast with 7 heads, etc), when the future events do occur will they be symbolic or literal?
John was in his present being given a display, much of it symbolic, of what was to come. When John saw the seals broken, that was occurring at the time John saw it, it was occurring during his present, angels were talking to him about it. Does Jesus need to break the seals again, do the trumpets need to be sounded again, do the bowls need to be poured out again, for the future events to occur?
Imo, the seals, trumpets and bowls were part of the demonstration for John in the past, the sequencing was how they were presented at that time, they are not necessarily an indicator of future timing. The seals, trumpets and bowls can occur for the most part in parallel, the seals occur first, the trumpets a little later, the bowls toward the end, and they all end at the same event, the thunder, lightning, etc, when Jesus returns at armageddon.
And in that parallel sequence Rev 12 fits quite well.
Spreading Salt wrote:I've seen several stating the 21st as well. Regardless of the Feast of Trumpets, the great sign is actually lining up perfectly on the 23rd/24!th. What does it mean? No idea. Looking up and praying it means something out of this worldIf not, keep spreading the truth and watching always for our coming King of Kings!
Looking4acity wrote:An easy way to figure the days is that Holy Days and Shabbat begin on sunset prior to the date on the calendar. So, Rosh Hashanah begins sunset on the 20th, about 6:38pm est.
Has anyone mentioned that the 23rd is also the Sabbath of Return?
Hosea 14:1-9 NLT
1 Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God,
for your sins have brought you down.
2Bring your confessions, and return to the Lord.
Say to him,
“Forgive all our sins and graciously receive us,
so that we may offer you our praises.b
3Assyria cannot save us,
nor can our warhorses.
Never again will we say to the idols we have made,
‘You are our gods.’
No, in you alone
do the orphans find mercy.”
4The Lord says,
“Then I will heal you of your faithlessness;
my love will know no bounds,
for my anger will be gone forever.
5I will be to Israel
like a refreshing dew from heaven.
Israel will blossom like the lily;
it will send roots deep into the soil
like the cedars in Lebanon.
6Its branches will spread out like beautiful olive trees,
as fragrant as the cedars of Lebanon.
7My people will again live under my shade.
They will flourish like grain and blossom like grapevines.
They will be as fragrant as the wines of Lebanon.
8“O Israel,c stay away from idols!
I am the one who answers your prayers and cares for you.
I am like a tree that is always green;
all your fruit comes from me.”
9Let those who are wise understand these things.
Let those with discernment listen carefully.
The paths of the Lord are true and right,
and righteous people live by walking in them.
But in those paths sinners stumble and fall.
And . . .
Micah 7 (NLT)
18Where is another God like you,
who pardons the guilt of the remnant,
overlooking the sins of his special people?
You will not stay angry with your people forever,
because you delight in showing unfailing love.
19Once again you will have compassion on us.
You will trample our sins under your feet
and throw them into the depths of the ocean!
20You will show us your faithfulness and unfailing love
as you promised to our ancestors Abraham and Jacob long ago.
Also that there was a "double star" conjunction of Regulus "the king" and Venus "the morning star" on Sept. 18, 19, and 20th. Wish I would have known earlier. I would have liked to look for it.
mark s wrote:Looking4acity wrote:An easy way to figure the days is that Holy Days and Shabbat begin on sunset prior to the date on the calendar. So, Rosh Hashanah begins sunset on the 20th, about 6:38pm est.
Has anyone mentioned that the 23rd is also the Sabbath of Return?
I did not know that.
This is the reading for the day:Hosea 14:1-9 NLT
1 Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God,
for your sins have brought you down.
2Bring your confessions, and return to the Lord.
Say to him,
“Forgive all our sins and graciously receive us,
so that we may offer you our praises.b
3Assyria cannot save us,
nor can our warhorses.
Never again will we say to the idols we have made,
‘You are our gods.’
No, in you alone
do the orphans find mercy.”
4The Lord says,
“Then I will heal you of your faithlessness;
my love will know no bounds,
for my anger will be gone forever.
5I will be to Israel
like a refreshing dew from heaven.
Israel will blossom like the lily;
it will send roots deep into the soil
like the cedars in Lebanon.
6Its branches will spread out like beautiful olive trees,
as fragrant as the cedars of Lebanon.
7My people will again live under my shade.
They will flourish like grain and blossom like grapevines.
They will be as fragrant as the wines of Lebanon.
8“O Israel,c stay away from idols!
I am the one who answers your prayers and cares for you.
I am like a tree that is always green;
all your fruit comes from me.”
9Let those who are wise understand these things.
Let those with discernment listen carefully.
The paths of the Lord are true and right,
and righteous people live by walking in them.
But in those paths sinners stumble and fall.
And . . .
Micah 7 (NLT)
18Where is another God like you,
who pardons the guilt of the remnant,
overlooking the sins of his special people?
You will not stay angry with your people forever,
because you delight in showing unfailing love.
19Once again you will have compassion on us.
You will trample our sins under your feet
and throw them into the depths of the ocean!
20You will show us your faithfulness and unfailing love
as you promised to our ancestors Abraham and Jacob long ago.
(Complements of http://www.jewfaq.org/special.htm )Also that there was a "double star" conjunction of Regulus "the king" and Venus "the morning star" on Sept. 18, 19, and 20th. Wish I would have known earlier. I would have liked to look for it.
That's an interesting one too!
Much love,
Mark
mark s wrote:Spreading Salt wrote:I've seen several stating the 21st as well. Regardless of the Feast of Trumpets, the great sign is actually lining up perfectly on the 23rd/24!th. What does it mean? No idea. Looking up and praying it means something out of this worldIf not, keep spreading the truth and watching always for our coming King of Kings!
Perfect point of view!
Hosea 6:1-3: -
6: 1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days {of the Lord’s} He will revive us;
On the third day {of the Lord’s} He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.
Jay Ross wrote: and coming to an understanding that the time when Israel will be revived will be after the passing of two ages from when they are disbursed to the four corners of the earth.
Now mark s by suggesting that I have added to the text, are you suggesting that the Hosea 6:2 is only speaking of a short time period and not of a prolonged period of time?
If you are suggesting that this passage is speaking of a short period of time, is there evidence in the bible that would support this?
Hosea 6:1-3
6:1 "Come, let us return to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces;
now he will heal us.
He has injured us;
now he will bandage our wounds.
2 In just a short time he will restore us,
so that we may live in his presence.
3 Oh, that we might know the Lord!
Let us press on to know him.
He will respond to us as surely as the arrival of dawn
or the coming of rains in early spring."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.
Hosea 6:1-3: -
6: Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.
NKJV
Jay Ross wrote:Sadly, mark, that will always be a stumbling block. It is the left out/modified meanings of the originally written text in the translation processes, that hinders what we will agree on is the "English" gospel truth, in this forum environment for our discussions.
In a recent interchange, one member would not acknowledge that perhaps there was a time gap contained within the text simple because the scriptural passage being discussed did not specifically indicate that this was so, even though other accounts of the same event tell us that this is so.
Because of his unwillingness to acknowledge that the time span of the passage being discussed was greater than what he was suggesting, based on the other biblical accounts of the same event, the discussion folded.
This will always lead to an impasse and the resolution may become messy depending on the nature of the people involved and whether or not "polite nastiness" is more acceptable than calling a spade a spade using more colourful prose.
As always, the resolution will be resolve in time as the poetic prophetic nature of the scriptures are reveal in due course and our expectations are based on fluid foundations.
Now, to be able to discover the original intended meaning of verses in scripture, requires much time and effort on our part to meditate and seek the Lord’s leading and input.
mark s wrote:<snip>
Anyway . . . it sounds like you want to get into an discussion on covenant theology versus dispensational theology. Maybe on it's own thread. Or you can used the advanced search to find one of the threads where I've discussed my views on dispensationalism.
Mark
But my point is, I tie myself to the very words of the passage in view, and what I build from that passage must be built from those words alone. Once I've done that, I compare to other passages, and any conflict requires either a full resolution of that conflict, again, resting upon the specific words of the text, or the voiding of the conflicting view.
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