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WOODHENOT3 wrote:There you go Shorttribber,
I'm willing to hear your views that is relevant to scripture...
I'm waiting on Mr Baldy as well... :)
I find it interesting that part of the "DAY of the LORD" COULD be part of the time when Jesus walked on this earth for 3 1/2 years...and part of the last 3 1/2 years at the END of AGE? Do you think that's possible?
WOODHENOT3 wrote:I'm waiting on Mr Baldy as well
Mr Baldy wrote:WOODHENOT3 wrote:I'm waiting on Mr Baldy as well
Hi Woody,
I'd like to participate in your Great Thread for debate - but I think I'll refrain. I'm refraining, because when I call an idea "Nonsense" that absolutely cannot be supported with Scripture - and there are those who push such illogical ideas dogmatically, and get their feelings hurt in a "Debate", then it's best I stay out.
Hopefully your Thread will Edify the Body of Christ.
God Bless you Brother!
Mal 3
1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand
when he appeareth?
Does that last verse sound familiar? Does it sound a little Like "Who shall be Able to Stand"? in Rev 6?
WOODHENOT3 wrote:Mal 3
1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand
when he appeareth?
Does that last verse sound familiar? Does it sound a little Like "Who shall be Able to Stand"? in Rev 6?
The AoD?
who's the messenger? angel?
How come there is no CAPITALS on "he" or "his" ?
Here's another example of What Occurs "In That Day"....."The Day of the Lord".
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
WOODHENOT3 wrote:Hello brothers and sisters,
After studying Daniel 9:24-27, now I and some of you believe in just the coming Great Tribulation(3 1/2 years)
Where does the DAY of the LORD fit?
We know the Wrath(bowls) is 30 days, is the wrath after the GT or during the GT?
When or what is the LAST DAY? Literally the very last day on earth?
I would think 3 questions would be good enough for now...lets get edified!!
May God bless and guide us with understanding the Book of Revelations!!
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Believers will rejoice, gathered in the clouds, while unbelievers will run in fear, wailing, their hearts failing them, such a spectacle will it be.....for the unbelievers it will be a Day of Wrath - just like Sodom and Gomorrah....for that same day that they see Jesus in the cloud in Great Power and Glory, 30 minutes later it will rain fire and brimstone from heaven upon the Earth.....
WOODHENOT3 wrote:Believers will rejoice, gathered in the clouds, while unbelievers will run in fear, wailing, their hearts failing them, such a spectacle will it be.....for the unbelievers it will be a Day of Wrath - just like Sodom and Gomorrah....for that same day that they see Jesus in the cloud in Great Power and Glory, 30 minutes later it will rain fire and brimstone from heaven upon the Earth.....
We will be here during the Great Tribulation as the AC will persecute the Saints for 3 1/2 years, then the wrath comes...
SO the First 6 seals, we will be here, agree?
brett wrote:WOODHENOT3 wrote:Believers will rejoice, gathered in the clouds, while unbelievers will run in fear, wailing, their hearts failing them, such a spectacle will it be.....for the unbelievers it will be a Day of Wrath - just like Sodom and Gomorrah....for that same day that they see Jesus in the cloud in Great Power and Glory, 30 minutes later it will rain fire and brimstone from heaven upon the Earth.....
We will be here during the Great Tribulation as the AC will persecute the Saints for 3 1/2 years, then the wrath comes...
SO the First 6 seals, we will be here, agree?
Yes we will be here through the Seals......the seals are not God's Wrath, they are persecution from satan, basically they describe the rise of the Anti-Christ and World War...we are raptured on the 6th Seal, the 6th Seal is the Day of the Lord, His return, the rapture.....Seal 7 is start of God's Wrath.
There is a full 7 years (Daniels 70th Week) still coming imho, first 3.5 is the Seals (World War), last 3.5 years is 75 days of remaining Seals (Great Tribulation) and then 1215 days of God's Wrath (Trumpets & Bowls).
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Jay Ross wrote:When is the timeframe for this Day of the Lord as mentioned in Zechariah 14?
It is important from the perspective as to, whether or not, this prophecy has any impact on our lives at this present time in 2017, or does it distract us from focusing on the things that God would have us doing so that the Kingdom of God's presences is visible around us by those who we rub shoulders with on a daily basis.
Could it be possibly be that Zechariah 14:1 - 9 is speaking of a time in our distant future at the end of the little while period after the 1,000 year imprisonment of Satan and his Angels in the Bottomless pit?
When the Day of the Lord is, as prophesised in Zechariah 14:1-9, is important to us from the perspective as to whether or not this particular Day of the Lord will impact on lives during this present time.
I would suggest that we place Zechariah 14:1-9 as an end of days prophecy and that it's impact on us is minimal at this present time.
Shalom
WOODHENOT3 wrote:I believe the Saints are here throughout the Great Tribulation, then the wrath of God,
Jesus spoke of the Tares and the Wheat and the Tares will be taken first, not the wheat...
I believe Daniels 70th week is fulfilled, so I believe there is only the Great Tribulation which is the last of the 3 1/2 years...
brett wrote:I believe the "Great Tribulation" period only lasts 75 days, after the AOD, for "those days" will be cut short by Christs return......the GT would last 3.5 years if Jesus didn't cut it short.....but thank God those days will be cut short........by Christs return.This is why the angel says what's in Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.. 1335 days is 3.5 years + 75 days. Basically blessed are those who survive the first 3.5 years (Seals 1,2,3,4,5 - World War) + the 75 days after the AOD - because they will make it to the appearance of Christ in the clouds, the rapture, and they will never taste death...
brett wrote:.
I will respond, just going out now...I will respond when I get back....sorry for delay.
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WOODHENOT3 wrote:Jay Ross wrote:When is the timeframe for this Day of the Lord as mentioned in Zechariah 14?
It is important from the perspective as to, whether or not, this prophecy has any impact on our lives at this present time in 2017, or does it distract us from focusing on the things that God would have us doing so that the Kingdom of God's presences is visible around us by those who we rub shoulders with on a daily basis.
Could it be possibly be that Zechariah 14:1 - 9 is speaking of a time in our distant future at the end of the little while period after the 1,000 year imprisonment of Satan and his Angels in the Bottomless pit?
When the Day of the Lord is, as prophesised in Zechariah 14:1-9, is important to us from the perspective as to whether or not this particular Day of the Lord will impact on lives during this present time.
I would suggest that we place Zechariah 14:1-9 as an end of days prophecy and that it's impact on us is minimal at this present time.
Shalom
I believe verse 9 of Isaiah 14 refers to the very end of Days...
brett wrote:Ok back now......I'm gonna research this a bit more before I answer......so another short delay.
shorttribber wrote:Please tell us how the days of great tribulation (Against the saints) lasting only 75 days agrees with the following section in Daniel.
Jay Ross wrote:WOODHENOT3 wrote:Jay Ross wrote:When is the timeframe for this Day of the Lord as mentioned in Zechariah 14?
It is important from the perspective as to, whether or not, this prophecy has any impact on our lives at this present time in 2017, or does it distract us from focusing on the things that God would have us doing so that the Kingdom of God's presences is visible around us by those who we rub shoulders with on a daily basis.
Could it be possibly be that Zechariah 14:1 - 9 is speaking of a time in our distant future at the end of the little while period after the 1,000 year imprisonment of Satan and his Angels in the Bottomless pit?
When the Day of the Lord is, as prophesised in Zechariah 14:1-9, is important to us from the perspective as to whether or not this particular Day of the Lord will impact on lives during this present time.
I would suggest that we place Zechariah 14:1-9 as an end of days prophecy and that it's impact on us is minimal at this present time.
Shalom
I believe verse 9 of Isaiah 14 refers to the very end of Days...
Perhaps you may like to elaborate on your comment here.
I mention the aforementioned as I am unsure if there even is a literal Millennial Reign - or it all ENDS at His Coming. But the Day of the Lord is Multifaceted.
SUN & MOON DARKENED (darkness over the entire earth)
STARS FALL FROM HEAVEN (meteors)
HEAVENS SHAKEN
SON OF MAN (JESUS) WILL COME IN THE CLOUDS WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY
ANGELS WITH GREAT SOUND OF TRUMPET WILL GATHER THE ELECT (rapture)
GODS WRATH STARTS BEING POURED OUT (like Sodom and Gomorrah, the same day Lot left - then Fire & Brimstone reigned down, like Noah's Ark, the same day Noah went into the Ark the rains came down)
That's the Day of the Lord !!!
After this GREAT EVENT God's Wrath continues to be poured out 1215 days (trumpets, bowls). Then the Lord comes back with all the saints at the end of Daniels 70th week...1215 days later to utterly destroy (kill) the wicked and start His 1000 year reign, millennial reign. We are in heaven with the Lord during the 1215 days (Wrath of God) but the 144000 and 2 witnesses remain on earth during Gods Wrath.
brett wrote:I don't understand why people can't accept the simplest meaning. The DAY of the Lord is simply that - a DAY
WOODHENOT3 wrote:It makes me wonder because after the Bowls Judgments, everything will be destroyed... I think it ends at His Coming IMO....
Mr Baldy wrote:This is why I have struggled with whether or not there will be a literal Millennial Reign. If it ALL Ends when Christ Appears - then there will be no need for a Millennial Kingdom.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Ready1 wrote:Mr Baldy wrote:This is why I have struggled with whether or not there will be a literal Millennial Reign. If it ALL Ends when Christ Appears - then there will be no need for a Millennial Kingdom.
Don't you still have to reconcile these questions with the following scripture? Or, maybe you see this as figurative language...
Or is there anywhere that says that it "all ends" when Christ Appears?Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
1whowaits wrote:Mr B, i am not clear by your statement that it 'all ends' when Jesus returns. According to Zech 14, sin and rebellion do not end when Jesus returns. Zech 14 describes the survivors of what appears to be armageddon being required to go up to Jerusalem to worship Jesus yearly at the feast of Tabernacles, and those who do not go up to worship are punished. Sin still occurs and is punished, as implied by Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of iron.
1whowaits wrote:Mr B, i am not clear by your statement that it 'all ends' when Jesus returns. According to Zech 14, sin and rebellion do not end when Jesus returns. Zech 14 describes the survivors of what appears to be armageddon being required to go up to Jerusalem to worship Jesus yearly at the feast of Tabernacles, and those who do not go up to worship are punished. Sin still occurs and is punished, as implied by Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of iron.
Also after the 1,000 year reign, Satan is let loose and gathers the nations to attack Jerusalem, where Jesus reigns from, who are then destroyed by fire.
Sin and death and rebellion and suffering do not end when Jesus returns at armageddon, they continue to exist for the 1,000 year reign. They will not end until after the 1,000 years, after the GWTJ, when the new earth is made- 'There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away..I am making everything new....' Rev 21.
WOODHENOT3 wrote:Hello brothers and sisters,
After studying Daniel 9:24-27, now I and some of you believe in just the coming Great Tribulation(3 1/2 years)
Where does the DAY of the LORD fit?
We know the Wrath(bowls) is 30 days, is the wrath after the GT or during the GT?
When or what is the LAST DAY? Literally the very last day on earth?
I would think 3 questions would be good enough for now...lets get edified!!
May God bless and guide us with understanding the Book of Revelations!!
brett wrote:.
We can seek the help of Revelation to get more confirmation of the main meaning of Daniel.
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
So basically the main point is this - The Anti-Christ will be given 42 months to reign (have full dominion) over the earth.....that's the main point to understand.
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