Which is greater?

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Re: Which is greater?

Postby GodsStudent on Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:09 am

Abiding in His Word wrote:Hello Redeemed1953,

In verse 6 : I highlighted walk...it is to continue in sin....to say you are in fellowship and continue in sin...where is the line....I hesitate to pick a sin, but I will pick one that is familiar...


That's just my point...we can't possibly know where the line is in the lives of individuals. Recovery groups; Accountability groups; Alcoholics Anonymous groups, Support groups etc. are filled with people who struggle with sin. Some have victory. Some have a relapse. Some fail entirely. All, though struggling, may continue in that particular sin forever.

You picked a sin that was familiar. Allow me to share an instance that will serve as an example that was a lifetime lesson for me.

We had a fellowship in our home and one neighbor, Al, and his wife were regular attenders. On a scale of 1-10, Al had a temper of 10. He was a hot-head. His anger flared easily and you could see his face change from a normal flesh-color to a shade of an apple in about 10 seconds flat. He asked for prayer often and the whole group was happy to do so. We prayed over Al every time he asked over a period of nearly 2-3 yrs. His wife testified that she saw a great change in Al and he displayed a much more easy-going behavior since that first night at the fellowship.

Eventually a new member joined our fellowship and was unaware of the progress made by Al, and told me (after a meeting) that it was obvious "that man" needed some help with his anger problem. She didn't know that Al had gone from a 10 down to a 4 over a period of 2 yrs. and was growing beautifully in the fruit of the spirit as he matured in Christ.

We just can't always judge what's going on in someone's life.

Consider how long Paul "walked" in his sin before Jesus intervened. Or how many wives and concubines David and Solomon had knowing that marriage was designed to be a one woman/one man relationship. Were they "walking" in sin all those years? How many with sexual or other addictions might be saved after years of purposely engaging in them?

You are free to arrive at your own conclusion, but I fail to see the wisdom of blanket judgments about sinners and their walks through life. We are called to be ambassadors and evangelists not judges imo.


I thank God for witness and testimony like this. I hear stories of those people who, for example, put down cigarettes, porn, alcohol or drugs all in one day and seemingly live their lives exclusively for the Lord from that day forward, but it has been my experience that these types of changes come as I am changed on the inside as a result of continued prayer and vigilance on my part (even if my vigilance is only my desire to do or be better than I once was with a certain issue or thing). I have been brow beat to death by Christians who don't consider the fruits in my life just because I still have this or that sin in my life, but I have fruits....and lots of it.

Last night, I was frustrated that sometimes I don't feel like the Lord is answering my prayers. I pointed to 3 things to my husband to defend my pity party (sorry, that's what is really is sometimes with me!). My husband walked me through the changes in all three circumstances and asked at the onset if, over the time I had been praying about these three things, had they not all improved. He was right and wise to approach me in that light about this. Indeed it is true that while all 3 of these areas of my life are not where I want them to be, each and all three are in fact much better than they were earlier this year when I really started praying about them. Also....if I have any honesty to myself, I have to admit that I have been anything but consistent in keeping these prayers going on a regular basis. I am so guilty of putting every other element of life ahead of my relationship with the Lord....but....AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.....BUT....the Lord has not turned His back on me, and in fact, is still answering prayers I make and causing fruit in my life...only at the pace I am moving in my prayers to Him, and not, say in the pace that some may have, where it's overnight and over the top.

For a long time I've let other people steal my joy in the Lord with their condemnation and judgment....in truth, their problem is that I don't do "it" as they think I should or as they would. That doesn't mean I don't have fruit, and in examining myself, I see fruit in many areas and I can be thankful and continue to grow in the Lord, even if they think I don't deserve it, didn't earn it.....you know what.....God's judgment is the only one that counts...and in it is much wisdom, and not so much of the condemnation that happens in short sighted people's thinking. God knows all whereas people only know what they see, and from their subjective perspectives.

It has taken me years to not allow these types of people to steal my glory and relationship with the Lord from me.....
they don't inspire me at all....they hurt me, and if anything, their thoughtless words and actions make me less inclined to seek the Lord with more fervor, because I have always felt not good enough and they feed that little nasty thing that goes around in my head.

God loves us all....even those like me who aren't seemingly perfect and full of righteous fervor, seemingly overnight. He saves some at sunrise and some at sunset and some all between....and on different timelines and at different paces.....as long as Christ is the way.....there are many ways that thru Christ, salvation and sanctification are achieved.
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Re: Which is greater?

Postby Abiding in His Word on Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:48 am

GodsStudent wrote:For a long time I've let other people steal my joy in the Lord with their condemnation and judgment....in truth, their problem is that I don't do "it" as they think I should or as they would.


It has taken me years to not allow these types of people to steal my glory and relationship with the Lord from me.....
they don't inspire me at all....they hurt me, and if anything, their thoughtless words and actions make me less inclined to seek the Lord with more fervor, because I have always felt not good enough and they feed that little nasty thing that goes around in my head.


Lisa, I have heard you over the years express beautiful, conscientious, heartfelt posts that reflect your ups and downs during your journey with the Lord. You have diligently taken your responsibilities very seriously and have asked for prayer and wisdom to continue in those areas. Your posts reflect the wide range of emotions many of us experience but are not so open and/or transparent in expressing them as you have. These characteristics and attitudes have endeared you to many of us and I hope you will endeavor to cut ties (to the extent possible) with those who would cause sorrow, shame, and guilt for you.

I don't know if I suggested this before, but it has been a great help for me so I pass it on for your consideration.

It Is Time to Get New Friends When...

Please take note of the book that's mentioned (Tired of Trying to Measure Up) as I found the book to be very helpful as well.

And last but not least....Christians can be the most harsh because they judge the "success" of your walk with the Lord on performance and achievement. Jesus does not. It's one's heart He loves.

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Re: Which is greater?

Postby GodsStudent on Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:26 am

Thank you, Abiding, for sharing your kind words and as usual, wisdom.
I like that tiny article and think it needs further consideration by me. I will read it again a few more times and see if I can digest its greater revelations.

I talk about myself and my struggles so much because I want others who suffer or endure, as I do, to tap into their own thoughts about various things, and go a little deeper, for the benefit of themselves and those who love them or whom they love. Too many people seem to measure up all over the place, and I worry about those of us who take that to heart and believe that something's wrong with us when in fact, we're all more alike than many of us are willing to say. I don't so much mind looking like a fool sometimes, because the truth hurts, but in acknowledging it, I am set free to grow and change :lol:

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Re: Which is greater?

Postby keithareilly on Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:25 pm

GodsStudent,

One cannot clean the inside of the cup unless one is willing to look inside the the cup and see the uncleanness therein.
Life is a crucible in which we are being refined. Not all sins melt away at the same temperature.
When refining material within a crucible the temperature climbs until the melting point of some element is reached.
The temperature stops climbing but the heat keeps being added until the element melts away.
Once the element melts away the temperature climbs again until some other element reaches its melting point.
The process repeats and is what purifies us.

Some sins melt at lower temperatures than others.

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Re: Which is greater?

Postby keithareilly on Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:31 pm

Sorry GodsStudent,

Was interrupted and was not able to complete my thoughts.

As a general rule, people who think they can tell you where you should be have little understanding of what the refinement process is all about. Nor do the understand scriptures like "work out your salvation".

Here is my personal proverb I share with those who have endured refinement such as yourself:

The wise man does not pray for wisdom.


Hope you enjoy it.


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Re: Which is greater?

Postby Mrs. B on Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:32 pm

Which is greater?


When we are born of our parents......we are born of the flesh.......But when we are Born Again..we are born again by the Living Word and the Holy Spirit.......it is a spiritual birth.....We choose to give our life to Jesus and turn away from sin...
and we are born Again...

Hebrew...3:1.....Wherefore, holy brethren, Partakers of the Heavenly Calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of Our Profession, CHRIST JESUS;
4....FOR IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THOSE WHO....WERE ONCED ENLIGHTENED, AND HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST
5...And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,...IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE;
SEEING THEY CRUCIFY TO THEMSELVES, THE SON OF GOD AFRESH, AND PUT HIM TO AN OPEN SHAME.....

6.... Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we...WHOSE HOUSE ARE WE....IF WE HOLD FAST THE CONFIDENCE and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

7....Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, ToDay if ye will hear his voice,
8...Harden not your hearts, as in the provication, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9...When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years...
10...Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart;
and they have Not Known My Ways.
11...So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my Rest)
12...TAKE HEED, BRETHERN, LEST there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God...
13....BUT...exhort One Another Daily while it is called To day.

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Re: Which is greater?

Postby plalgum on Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:24 am

Keeping Alert wrote:A thought came to my mind... I know not from God or my own...

Which is greater? Sin or Grace?

One act of Adam condemned him and the whole world into sin.

So ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God...

One act of sin committed by us, confirms our sinner status... even though we may do "good" things in our lives

One act of Jesus on the cross, released Grace and Salvation to the whole world

I am just thinking, if Grace is greater than Sin, then one act by us accepting Grace at any point in our lives should be more powerful and eefficacious to blot out all sins... even though we may continue to do "bad" things in our lives


Thank you

I needed to hear this,you summed me up.Praise Jesus.
Only if Grace is weaker than Sin, can there be a situation where Sin can undo what Grace had previously done

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
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