In the end of the primary season...

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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:40 am

good4u1 wrote:It appears my desire has been realized... :grin:

Santorum has overwhelmingly came in first over Romney by a 25% margin, tho' turnout was pathetic...less than 10%...but nonetheless, I think it sends a msg that Santorum still has viability and I hope he continues at least thru Super Tuesday. We shall see...I did my part today to help.


Dear god I hope so. Santorum was always my first choice for President, he would be a refreshing change of pace. Santorum has the least "baggage" and is by far the most conservative, in nearly every way. Some believe he is unelectable because of his conservatism, but I think that is his biggest strength.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:59 am

The proverbial "handwriting upon the wall" via Super Tuesdays results...I still feel confident that Romney will be the eventual GOP nominee. Yes, I know, all candidates still claim they will press on to other States, but after Romney's win in Ohio (this was the litmus test for me) I do think Romney will be our man.

Now, the question remains can he ignite confidence in independent voters ENOUGH to persuade them to vote for him to beat the "out of control" incumbent President?

That is the question of the day, isn't it? :dunno:

ETA: One of the main issues Obama will throw in Romney's face is economic class disparity. Rich vs. the working class...it will be a strong hand for Obama and it will be Romney's to overcome...you watch.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:54 am

Romney could just bring up Obama's elitest view regarding the Presidency if he does that, or his many radical policies, including his hostility to people of faith. He could also bring up how Obama views spending as something that helps the economy, then bring up his successful record as a businessman.

Romney's two problems:

-1. He(I believe he is now) is a conservative. But he is not strong or aggressive, and he will need to be to oppose Obama.

-2. Because of his political history, many view him as a flip-flopper. This brings up the interest of trust. This is the main reason many in the tea party, the evangelicals or just the conservatives in the GOP are hesitant to back him. If he can't get the base to back him solidly, then how will the independants get behind him if trust is an issue?

I believe if he is beat Obama he will need to overcome those two things.

But I don't believe Romney is a certainty..not yet. Santorum has a very good chance at being the nominee. Romney barely won Ohio. It will probably end up going to the convention.

Theres also talk of the GOP picking someone entirely different as the nominee if there isn't a clear indication of one by the convention. Talk of none of the canaudates being able to beat Obama may fuel the effort for that to happen.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:53 am

Before Andrew Breitbart's passing he told the CPAC that AB's organization was undertaking a proper vetting of President Obama this election cycle to inform voters of exactly who Obama was and that they had to make a decision about the direction of our country's future once this was made public. BUT...the tour de force founder's untimely passing silenced this in the public awareness. How convenient for the Dems who must have squealed with glee over this!

Yes, I know we are all hopeful that Santorum will catch fire somehow...but honestly, we need a reality check here in political terms. Neither Santorum nor Gingrich has the cash or organization to do what Romney has the potential to do to endure the primary season. A simple fact we must accept.

A brokered convention...hmmm....unlikely. I do think by June by the time the California primary is concluded we will have our nominee and unless the LORD returns first, ( :a2:) it will in all likelihood be Romney. If we do somehow end up having a a brokered convention we have just handed the Presidency back to the Dems and I don't think the GOP voters will allow that to happen. I may not be thrilled with Romney, but he is better than Obama any day of the week. Even Bill Clinton was more tolerable and that takes a lot for me to say that!
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby AndCanItBe on Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:46 am

Hi, good4u1! Slightly off-topic, but I just wanted to let you know that those running Breitbart's website have gone ahead and started releasing those tapes and info. They released the first the other day. This interview with the editor of Breitbart on CNN is pretty priceless.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism ... 0Interview

There are several other articles about this at www.breitbart.com
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:55 am

Thanks, ACIB. Andrew Breitbart's passing was a blow to truth telling in politics and the sunshine in dark places got dimmer as a result.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:00 pm

Unless Romney is firmly a conservative than I will not be voting for him. Unless people want Obama to win..they will vote for someone other than Romney. He is the John mccain of this race, he cannot beat Obama.

Only someone like Newt with his genius and debating skills, or Rick with his solid constrast to Obama, will win.

Its not that I hate Romney..but he needs to be better if he is to defeat Obama.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:51 pm

You need to remember that there are a vast amount of voters who feel this way..."ANYONE but Obama"...but the question of the day is will it be enough to win? I dunno. :dunno:

If there are too many like you, Sword, who vote (or in your case decline to vote) in the General on strict conservative principle only...then yes, Obama will win. I voted for McCain last time (even tho' he was not a conservative) and the winds of "change" (I say that loosely) were agst the GOP then, this time it may likely be a different outcome. But Romney will need to step up and sharpen his game considerably to impress the fence-sitters or skeptics like you. We'll see after the California primary if that is in fact the case.

Oh, and even if Romney does that...Obama is a shrewd, down and dirty Chicago-style politician...and one of the best. This will be one of the dirtiest election cycles in history...voter fraud comes to mind...and since the leftist media are with Obama Romney cannot afford to make any errors late in the political season (i.e., six wks before the election) or the leftist media will not let him forget it or the voters for that matter. :alrighty:

It will be a rock and roll year for a variety of reasons.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:35 pm

I think Obama only won last time not because of his own skills as a canaudate but because of Mccain's lack of skill. Mccain was a weak opponent for Obama.

If Obama faced someone like Ronald Reagan, then he wouldn't be so successful.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:27 pm

Sword of Geddon wrote:I think Obama only won last time not because of his own skills as a canaudate but because of Mccain's lack of skill. Mccain was a weak opponent for Obama.

If Obama faced someone like Ronald Reagan, then he wouldn't be so successful.


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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:17 pm

Since loosing the South soundly, I feel the pressure on Gingrich to drop out will increase...and money will be non-existent for him to continue any kind of campaign. Tho' he stubbornly insists he is in it until the Convention...I do not see any realistic chance for that to happen.

How soon he drops is anyone's guess...but it will come down to Santorum and Romney. With Romney becoming the GOP candidate-elect.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:33 pm

I believe Gingrich' plan is to stay in..not so he can win, but so he can somehow prevent Romney from winning, perhaps by holding delegates Romney would need to win the nomination. I think he hopes to cause a broken convention, and that perhaps someone who never ran to begin with would be chosen to run against Obama...like Paul Ryan.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:40 pm

If that is Gingrich's plan...that will not sit well the GOP voters or Establishment and reeks of "sour grapes" (at that point not that he cares) but what a self-defeating strategy to me!

He would rather die on his sword that see a GOP President, even if Romney is not to his liking! Well, if that is the case, we can look forward to another four years of Obama Big Gov't take over and I will have to go on the Gov't Medical exchanges! :cry:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:21 pm

Then we get four more years of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP7lUGn7HWk

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I hope not.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:52 pm

So it appears that Romney has won Illinois which is a fairly moderate state even tho' downstate Santorum will have beat him, but it will not be enough to overtake the Chicago voters who are far more moderate.

I still stick with my original post in this thread even tho' it will be a slow march for Romney who appears to be heir apparent and if he is as smart as he thinks he is he will ask Marco Rubio to be his running mate. And for the good of the party and our country's future, Rubio will be just as smart and agree to be the VP.

But first things first...securing the GOP nom. It will be Romney.

Sword, the question remains...will you be a team player when it happens?
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:45 pm

Really depends..if Romney seems like hes going to be another Bush(moderate Republican aka Compassionate Conservative) than I think the country would be better off with more Obama so that Romney wouldn't destroy the Republican party.

A big part of me thinks it actually might be best if the union ends and the Christian South and Texas leave the Union. This country has divisions which run deeper and deeper. Better to divide the good from the bad than for the good to be slowly dragged down.

This all depends on whether or not Romney's change to a genuine conservative is genuine or not. If it isn't than Soros is right, either Romney or Obama, it makes little difference who wins.

Then again..I live in MA, so it doesn't matter much if I vote or not..this state is going Obama. But I did vote for Newt here knowing that he would not win out of principal. If Romney is still the same man who my cousin and aunt met a couple years ago..then I will go out and vote for him, even if he fails to win my state.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:54 am

Actually, thank you. You answered one of my questions w/o me asking as I wondered what part of the country you were from...but I NEVER expected you, who holds ultra conservative views, were from Romney's home state! You a fish out of water in uber liberal Kennedy country! Wowza!

I am gonna pretend I did not read what I read about a Union split...a civil war...again is NOT the answer. Lincoln (one of our greatest presidents ever) lost his life as a result. No, no...banish the thought. If you ever do get to Illinois, do try and go to Springfield (IL capitol) and visit the incredible Lincoln museum and his national tomb...you will come away with wonder of this man's life and accomplishments and untimely death well worth the visit.

I too vote values and principles in primary season, but in the General it is a different story...I vote to block any Democrat any time and anywhere...tho' the GOP is not Christian and I know it, and maybe there is not much difference between them, I have no better alternative at the moment or I would vote for that political party.

Now, on to conservative Louisanna and the season continues..
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:20 pm

Its easy to become apathetic here..it takes huge effort and strategy to elect even one conservative here, or even Republican for that matter. Part of that is the jerry-mandering the Democratics have been practicing in the state for years.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:41 pm

If MA Dem voters get angry enough, they have shown Washington their displeasure...they did by electing Republican Scott Brown to the Senate in the last special election...so we need to pray the MA Dem voters become angry again...and again...and again. It is not a hopeless cause in your State and I have visited there and its lovely. I enjoyed your State and loved hearing that Eastern accent you all sport there. Tho' "horses" sound like "hearses" to this Mid Westerner's ear! :mrgreen:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby mrgravyard49 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:53 pm

So now Jeb Bush backs Romney.. Looks like its now Obama vs Romney.. Sorry But I see another 2004... Pray Im wrong.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby LandLover on Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:57 am

I believe that God is in control and whoever he wants to win will win. That being said, I'll never vote for Romney. I'll vote for the conservative in the race, even if I have to write them in. If, without my vote, Romney should lose to Obama, then so be it. I'm done with voting in the General for the one whose not the Democrat. This time and going forward, I'm voting on principle.

Also, I'm tired of hearing from the RINOs that we can't nominate a "far right-wing" candidate... look at what happened to Goldwater, they'll say. Well, that dog doesn't hunt anymore... they've had ample opportunity to prove this argument with Bush Sr. who ran the first time on Reagan's coattails, but lost the second time because he move so far to the center... then there was Dole, then McCain. Honestly, the only reason W won was because he had the full weight of the GOPe behind him and even that was a close call.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby AndCanItBe on Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:49 am

Hey, nice to "see" you, Landlover. Great post.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:18 pm

A surprise return. Welcome back Landlover.

I understand how you feel, I agree about the establishment GOP typical arguement. I'd prefer Santorum...I think he has the least baggage out of the three remaining serious GOP runners, and is the most conservative, although Newt had/has many great ideas and I like his populist attitude.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby LandLover on Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:17 am

Glad to be back guys... Disclaimer: I'm a Newt fan. So what I'm about to post will invariably infuriate some here...

Santorum just doesn't sit well with me. Ever since he jumped on the "Newt has been married 3 times" and "Newt had ethics issues" bandwagon, I considered him a light-weight and discounted him as a serious candidate and more of a stalking horse for Romney. I never considered Paul a serious candidate. Romney, aside from being LDS, is an unrepentant liar with no integrity whatsoever... this is why I will never vote for him.

It's true that Newt has had 3 marriages and that the Democrats at the time filed trumped up charges against him for ethics violations (from which the IRS exonerated him). This is "Baggage"? :doh:

It's true that he was antagonistic toward his opponents in Congress, even if they were Republicans... but this is what was necessary to actually get things done. He truly was a reformer. The issue at hand is this... do we settle for the GOP Establishment endorsed candidate and return the the same old business as usual ideals, or do we choose a candidate who knows what it's like to go to the mat for what he believes in. I sincerely do not believe that Santorum (who is a sefl-admitted "team player") will, nor do I believe that Romney (whose political core changes faster than two shakes of an Etch-a-Sketch, just ask Catholic hospital directors in Massachusetts) will either.

Let the flaming begin. :lol:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:41 am

Ahhh....no flaming in this thread. But I do love spirited discussion...so LL...let's talk, shall we? :wink:

Your right, Romney is not my favorite as none of the GOP hopefuls really excite me. But...let's be pragmatic here...what is more important: lofty unattainable ideals or removing the one who is trying to destroy capitalism from the White House? Yes, it is that black and white and it is that urgent that even Romney is far, far better than what is currently occupying the White House. This is why this election cycle will determine the direction of our country for years to come and the decline will increase even faster if Obama is re-elected, imo. I may not be thrilled with Romney, but Obama's policies are a cancer that must be removed and undone as fast as a newly elected GOP President can do it.

All pols are liars and tell the electorate what they want to hear...is that news to you? Not to me.

If Newt's strategy is to interfere in the GOP nom process in Tampa, then that will just make him look bad and a sore loser if this is the reason he is staying in and that is not a "reformer" that I could vote for. It would be better for him and Romney, if he and Santorum do bow out and allowed to make their speeches and points to the convention delegates which would be more favorable for them and earn good-will since neither have a likely shot at winning the GOP nom. It is better to have a relevant say at the convention than look like a sore loser, imo.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Jericho on Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:56 pm

None of the candidates really excite me either. Santorum is probably closest in line with our values here but realistically I don't think he has much of a chance. Nor does he have the charisma to beat Obama IMO. Ultimately it will probably come down to Romney vs Obama. Not my first choice but yes just about anyone is preferable to Obama. My only concern would be if he picked Ron Paul to be his running mate.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby AndCanItBe on Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:52 pm

I don't agree about Newt, because I think he's a big government republican too, not anything to do with the marriages or anything. No flaming from me either though. I have problems with all the candidates. They all seem like globalists or establishment but Ron Paul, and Ron Paul has his head in the sand about the Muslims and Israel. The only one I really could get behind this entire time was Michelle Bachmann. I can't decide if I'm too picky or we just don't have good choices.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:01 pm

I wouldn't call Newt a globalist, I believe both him and even Romney said in the past that they would oppose agenda 21 if they were given the chance.

What encourages me about all this is Romney is now reaching out and making peace with the Evangelical, Tea Party and Populist factions of the GOP. Romney met with Newt recently, and also he said good things about Santorum.

Romney knows he is probably going to be the one to face Obama, and he is being a peacemaker now. Alot of people(like me) were afraid Romney was going to shove the base and the conservatives under the bus, but I think Romney's conversion to Conservatism is genuine this time.

When he was governor Romney fought the gay marriage agenda, and he also opposed government funding going to Planned Parenthood. There is alot of misinformation out there about Romney.

Romney will probably try to get Rubio as his running mate, despite Rubio's reluctance. I think that would be a good thing because if Romney surrounds himself with conservatives then maybe they will rub off on him or keep his more moderate tendacies in check.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:32 pm

Why oh why does Romney do such stupid things...yes, he is a gazillionaire...and he can do what he wants with his money, but geeze, c'mon...Romney... bldg a mansion in La Jolla, California with an elevator for your car, really? Romney, really?

He is so stupid...and he doesn't think Obama's campaign will use this against him? What is he thinking? This just gives creedence to the democratic claim that Romney is out of touch with the average American...and at this rate, Obama may be handed the next four years on a silver platter... :oops: :banghead: :doh: :cry:

Link here: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-mock ... e-the-car/
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby burien1 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:43 pm

Wow. That does not look good. Knowing how Obama is playing up class warfare.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:35 am

good4u1 wrote: ETA: One of the main issues Obama will throw in Romney's face is economic class disparity. Rich vs. the working class...it will be a strong hand for Obama and it will be Romney's to overcome...you watch.


I posted this statement on March 7th in this thread...and now my prediction will come home to haunt Romney...why oh why is he trying to sabotage his own election to be President? I guarantee you this will be thrown in Romney's face in the fall and it will make an impact...and not in a good way...

I wonder what Dick Morris thinks of this... :bag:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby mrgravyard49 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:25 am

I still cant believe that some still believe Romney can win? WISH him or ANYONE would beat Obama.. But Sad its not going to happen..
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby LandLover on Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:10 am

Sword of Geddon wrote:Romney knows he is probably going to be the one to face Obama, and he is being a peacemaker now. Alot of people(like me) were afraid Romney was going to shove the base and the conservatives under the bus, but I think Romney's conversion to Conservatism is genuine this time.

:lol: This time?

When he was governor Romney fought the gay marriage agenda

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/timeline.html
http://rightwingnews.com/column-2/romney-contributed-10000-to-radical-gay-group/

and he also opposed government funding going to Planned Parenthood.

http://www.massresistance.org/romney/Amy_Contrada_articles/free_abortions.html
http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/romney-told-catholic-hospitals-administer-abortion-pills
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby LandLover on Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:23 am

good4u1 wrote:Your right, Romney is not my favorite as none of the GOP hopefuls really excite me. But...let's be pragmatic here...what is more important: lofty unattainable ideals or removing the one who is trying to destroy capitalism from the White House? Yes, it is that black and white and it is that urgent that even Romney is far, far better than what is currently occupying the White House. This is why this election cycle will determine the direction of our country for years to come and the decline will increase even faster if Obama is re-elected, imo. I may not be thrilled with Romney, but Obama's policies are a cancer that must be removed and undone as fast as a newly elected GOP President can do it.


Respectfully Goodfu1, when you compare Romney to Obama, it's like comparing a bruised apple to a rotten apple. One is on its way there, while the other is already there.

Honestly, based on their respective records in government, the comparisons are numerable... but the contrasts are few and far between. Can you show me any?
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:28 am

Look Romney has unveiled his newest campaign theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLndBL8sVKI

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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:34 pm

LandLover wrote:Respectfully Goodfu1, when you compare Romney to Obama, it's like comparing a bruised apple to a rotten apple. One is on its way there, while the other is already there.

Honestly, based on their respective records in government, the comparisons are numerable... but the contrasts are few and far between. Can you show me any?


That will be your choice either Obama or Romney ...for the most part. We have given Obama a chance, a good looooooong chance, four years to be exact. What have Americans to show for it? Higher gas prices, out of control health insurance premiums, and terrible stagnant unemployment. That is Obama's record. It is someone else's turn, imo. Can Romney do any better or worse than Obama? I don't know. But we need to try. Change involves calculated risk and educated guesswork. The GOP soundly retaking the House of Reps in 2010 and narrowly coming up short in the Senate was indication that Americans were not satisfied with Obama's policies or the Democratic Leadership.

I am willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt to reverse the socialistic Obama policies. It will be a very close election and to sit this one out because Romney is not the ideal you want him to be is an insufficient reason to have Obama re-elected by default. I am not willing to take that kind of risk for it will be at my expense.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby LandLover on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:46 am

good4u1 wrote:That will be your choice either Obama or Romney ...for the most part. We have given Obama a chance, a good looooooong chance, four years to be exact. What have Americans to show for it? Higher gas prices, out of control health insurance premiums, and terrible stagnant unemployment. That is Obama's record. It is someone else's turn, imo. Can Romney do any better or worse than Obama? I don't know. But we need to try. Change involves calculated risk and educated guesswork. The GOP soundly retaking the House of Reps in 2010 and narrowly coming up short in the Senate was indication that Americans were not satisfied with Obama's policies or the Democratic Leadership.

I am willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt to reverse the socialistic Obama policies. It will be a very close election and to sit this one out because Romney is not the ideal you want him to be is an insufficient reason to have Obama re-elected by default. I am not willing to take that kind of risk for it will be at my expense.


Look, I understand your frustration in all this. But I honestly don't feel that Romney is an alternative. When you compare their records, the only difference is that Romney is the prissy, rich, white guy.

Obama has a terribly stagnant unemployment record... So did Romney as Governor of Mass. So bad, in fact, that the only reason the unemployment rate went up during Romney's tenure was that people left to find work in another state.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/164599/why-mitt-romney-had-such-bad-record-jobs-massachusetts

Obama supports abortion... So did Romney. It's true that he says he had a "come to Jesus moment" (whatever that means to a Mormon), but that didn't seem to play out when he signed legislation to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortion drugs. http://townhall.com/columnists/terryjeffrey/2012/02/02/creators_oped/page/full/

We have high gas price under Obama... Romney supported an increase in gas taxes. http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/as-governor-mitt-romney-raised-gas-taxes-by-400

So, if Obama were Governor of Massachusetts, how would his record look any differently from Romney's?

Will Romney be a better president than Obama? Well, I realize that the consensus among conservatives is that ANYONE would be a better president. But is that really the case concerning Romney?

I don't believe so... When you compare Romney to Obama, they are really just two sides of the same coin... except that Obama has the support of the Liberal base, wherease Romney doesn't. If Romney is your choice... then instead of living with the socialist policies of Obama, we will be living with the left-leaning, progressive policies of Romney.

Instead of heading off the cliff at 200 mph with Obama at the wheel... we'll be heading off the cliff at 150 mph with Romney.

Good4u1, if you continue to keep voting for the GOPe (RINO) backed candidate, because as they would say to you, "who else are you going to vote for", then we will never get another conservative in the White House. Now, i'm not saying that we should sit out the election... because we do need a Republican, albeit RINO, majority in Congress... but I would suggest you write in the name of the candidate that you believe is the strongest conservative, and leave the results in God's hands.

One last thing... pray that this goes to a brokered convention. :duel:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:05 pm

Of course, I will disagree. A fractured convention this late in the election process will spell doom to any GOP candidate and will guarantee the incumbent a second term. I don't believe a write-in candidate has ever won the Presidency, at least not in modern political history. So from where I sit your strategy is a loser, at least from past political experience.

A true blue conservative a-la Reagan style is terribly hard to convince to run in the primary gauntlet these days...the only bone Romney can throw to the Conservative-Indy electorate is if he can convince a Rubio, or Paul Ryan or someone else of that ilk to join the GOP ticket to shore up his conservative leanings to give him street cred. If he doesn't convince a true conservative to run with him...Romney is done. He has come to far to let that cause him to loose the General Election. This will be the last time for Romney and it is sink or swim time. So Romney needs to pick wisely and btw, stop making unnecessary stupid mistakes!

Imo, it is far more effective to try and work for reform within the system than play an outsider to buck the system. The system is by no means perfect and possibly irretrievably broken, but until the LORD returns to rightfully rule...this is hand we must play. It may well be a losing hand, but the game is not yet over. It serves no purpose to over turn the card game, as you suggest in your last post.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:36 pm

I agree with Landlover. This back the establishment attitude has lead to the GOP becoming watered down versions of the democrats. Whenever a real conservative joins the race the establishment always do whatever they can to destroy that person, look what happened to Herman Cain.

The best way to save the GOP is for the GOP to run a establishment person and lose in an election as important as this one. I believe an Obama victory would be a good thing for the GOP, as it was in the 2010 elections.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby LandLover on Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:30 pm

Sword of Geddon wrote:I agree with Landlover. This back the establishment attitude has lead to the GOP becoming watered down versions of the democrats. Whenever a real conservative joins the race the establishment always do whatever they can to destroy that person, look what happened to Herman Cain.

The best way to save the GOP is for the GOP to run a establishment person and lose in an election as important as this one. I believe an Obama victory would be a good thing for the GOP, as it was in the 2010 elections.


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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby LandLover on Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:59 pm

good4u1 wrote:Of course, I will disagree. A fractured convention this late in the election process will spell doom to any GOP candidate and will guarantee the incumbent a second term.

Not if the right candidate, by God's grace, emerges from the ash heap.

A true blue conservative a-la Reagan style is terribly hard to convince to run in the primary gauntlet these days

It wasn't terribly hard to convince Newt to run and he is the only Regan Conservative in the group.


The only bone Romney can throw to the Conservative-Indy electorate is if he can convince a Rubio, or Paul Ryan or someone else of that ilk to join the GOP ticket to shore up his conservative leanings to give him street cred. If he doesn't convince a true conservative to run with him...Romney is done. He has come to far to let that cause him to loose the General Election. This will be the last time for Romney and it is sink or swim time. So Romney needs to pick wisely and btw, stop making unnecessary stupid mistakes!

Ah, and there's the rub. Romney can't even get the full support of the conservative base, and any true conservative worth his/her weight in salt would not run with him. Besides, choosing Sarah Palin didn't really help John McCain... because McCain simply didn't fight like he wanted to win. And speaking of Palin, who do you think was responsible for throwing her under the bus so that she would be destroyed in the MSM? You are correct, Team Romney. If he wanted to run for President in 2012, he had to destroy Palin in 2008. Romney is deplorable and every conservative who has researched this knows this.

Imo, it is far more effective to try and work for reform within the system than play an outsider to buck the system.

I disagree with this. Too many men and women have laid down their lives in the name of revolution for me to accept this notion. If our forefathers thought this way, they would have never fought the tyranny of Great Britain.

The system is by no means perfect and possibly irretrievably broken, but until the LORD returns to rightfully rule...this is hand we must play. It may well be a losing hand, but the game is not yet over. It serves no purpose to over turn the card game, as you suggest in your last post.

Again, if the forefathers believed that they had to simply play the cards they were dealt until The LORD returned... well, Good4u1, we may not (by comparison) be having this light-hearted conversation. :lol:

As far as overturning the card game as you call it... I wonder what Jesus would do?

Matthew 21:
"12 And Jesus entered the temple[b] and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. 13 He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.”

Now, I know the circumstances weren't exactly the same... but you certainly can't say the Jesus was willing to reform the system form within the status quo.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:35 am

You have to understand a bigger picture here...and you're on this board...a biblical prophecy board...at least last time I looked, right? :wink:

We are living in the last days...the very last days before the End Times is upon us...the USA can not and will not maintain for much longer (if it even does now) the "super power" status nation it once held and enjoyed within the world. The West will go into very step, rapid decline and the rise of the Middle East and Islam is on the verge of doing exactly what the Bible says it will do and changes are happening very quickly now.

As much as I love my beloved nation, God has decreed the USA not a major player in the End Times. Period. The lack of GOP conservatives to step up and try and reverse our fortunes is evidence of this heavenly decree, imo. And as the USA becomes more and more irrelevant on the world stage...the End Times comes in sharp focus and you could read it right off the pages from the Bible as you watch the news and see current events.

What is my evidence that what I said above is so?

The AP just reported that the GOP Superdelegates have given their support to Romney to be the GOP nominee in the General Election. Your hopes for a brokered convention is slim to none. I rest my case. Until you come up with something else! :lol:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby mrgravyard49 on Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:02 am

EVERYONE NEEDS to Read Good4u1's Last Post!!!!! Loved Ones he is 100% right!!!!!

All the Love, Hope and Prayers AND Votes in the world wont change this.
We need to be ready and watching..
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:13 am

Romney may win the nomination...but he will probably lose to Obama. He will lose to Obama because Obama will have so many depending on him, as well as stupid people who think hes the second coming.

If the best the GOP can do is send yet another Bob Dole or John Mccain, a flat, unexciting moderate, then they deserve to lose. Romney may be a nice guy, but so was George Bush the Compassionate Conservative. And look where that got him.

A Compassionate Conservative(Dole, Bush, Mccain, Romney) cannot defeat a Saul Alinsky radical.

The person to fix this country not only has to be a conservative, they have to be a jerk when the time comes, someone not afraid to go medieval on people if that is what must be done.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:43 am

Gravy,

You are very sweet...and yes, I can discuss politics with the "boys" except you called me "he" and he I am not..but I am a "she". :lol:

But hopefully I can intelligently present myself to the "boys" and to those who "lurk" who are to afraid to enter the rapid waters of political discussion. I would love some day to sit on the panel of journalists and discuss this very thing on my favorite Saturday show..The Wall Street Journal Report.

Thank you for your post! :grin:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:57 am

Sword of Geddon wrote:Romney may win the nomination...but he will probably lose to Obama. He will lose to Obama because Obama will have so many depending on him, as well as stupid people who think hes the second coming.

If the best the GOP can do is send yet another Bob Dole or John Mccain, a flat, unexciting moderate, then they deserve to lose. Romney may be a nice guy, but so was George Bush the Compassionate Conservative. And look where that got him.

A Compassionate Conservative(Dole, Bush, Mccain, Romney) cannot defeat a Saul Alinsky radical.

The person to fix this country not only has to be a conservative, they have to be a jerk when the time comes, someone not afraid to go medieval on people if that is what must be done.


Awww...Sword, with friends like you...Romney does not need enemies! :a2:

We will just have to see who Romney selects as his running mate. That will tell me a lot and his possible chances and of course, where the economy is, gas prices and what Israel does regarding Iran...there are many variable factors up until then that make a very big difference on the election's outcome. We have a long way to go and also the fall Jewish festivals are still upcoming...always a watcher for prophecy students as that is our possible "Super Bowl."

I do not think "jerkiness" is a trait I want in my President... though leadership and resolve come to mind. Both of which Obama does not have even in small amounts! Also "medival" (whatever that means???) would also not be desirable either as our current debating society called Congress has to be on board and it would be better if he had persuasive powers to influence Congressional members to do what is right. So we will pray that if Romney does obtain the Presidency that he would have influential Bible-believing Christians who come along side him to guide him in his Administration. God is not out of the picture here tho' sometimes it sure seems like He is busy elsewhere.
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby mrgravyard49 on Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:37 pm

OOPS!!!! Sorry About that G4U... Now where did I lose that S ?
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I think my main problem is I compare Everyone to Reagan... we have dropped to the bottom since him..
and I dont see ANYONE even Close to Mr. Reagan.. and again since we are in the endtimes, We wont..
Sorry folks Im just sitting back and waiting for things to happen. Not going to even bother to vote, WHY?
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:53 pm

This is the kind of man needed to defeat Obama and save this country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWS9PiXekE
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby good4u1 on Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:23 pm

:lol: ummm....a little over the top just to beat an incumbent prez, don't ya think? :lol:

Macho man is not going to beat a slick, smooth talkin' pol...brawn does not beat brains...at least not yet! :wink:

Good try, Sword! Maybe Landlover can come up with one! Your turn LL! :lol:

Zeus or Posiden or Mercury or any other Greek God does not do well in polling...or would be happy in the Oval Office...they prefer mountain tops or some other high place.... :lol:
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Re: In the end of the primary season...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:29 pm

On the contrary...someone like Leonidas is exactly the kind of man to defeat Obama. Someone who does not compromise his beliefs, who values his family and his country, and only has to look at his enemies(or political opponents) to get them to feel fear would easily crush Obama.

Here is what a debate between the two would look like perhaps:

Obama: I will continue to bring hope and change to this country

Leonidas: Empty words as always.

Obama: Don't tell me words don't matter!

Leonidas: Words alone don't matter. Actions are what matter, and every action you have taken as President has brought this country closer to a dung heap.

Obama: You Republicans stopped my health care reform with your social engineering.

Leonidas: Only a coward with no honor would accuse his opponent of the very sins he himself is committing. Social Engineering? The only one doing social engineering in this country is people like you.

Obama: You can't say things like that.

Leonidas: What's the matter? Can't handle the truth? I'm sorry I have the audacity of hope you coward.

Obama: THIS IS MADNESS!

Leonidas: THIS IS SPARTA!

Leonidas ends the debate by kicking Obama off the stage.
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