Escape (flee from) all these things

[1whowaits]

No, it is not meaningless, it is meant for them and us. 'All that is about to take place' would suggest that Jesus was including them in this discussion, the 70th week was not about to take place. The statement of Jesus was inclusive of all who believe - 'that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may stand before the Son of Man'.

When do those who believe 'stand before the Son of Man' in the context of Luke, Matt and Mark? When He comes, at the coming of the Son of Man, after the time of distress, at the end of the age. Which would sugget that those who have preceeded us will stand before the Son of Man at the same time we do, when He comes after the time of distress, on the DOTL.

'We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. Accoring to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not preceed those who have fallen asleep.....the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.. And so shall we be with the Lord forever.'

Those who are alive do not preceed those who have died, but it appears also that those who have died do not preceed those who are still alive. We are all caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, to stand before the Son of Man, which in the context of Matt, Mark and Luke, occurs when Jesus comes, at the coming of the Son of Man, after the time of distress, on the DOTL.

[shorttribber]

If "all these things" includes 70AD, then this is a meaningless discussion, right? Since we are well past that? Then it was meant for them only.

Love in Christ,
Mark

Think outside the box some Mark, many prophecies have near and far fulfillment....we see many examples and some exist IMO to confound the works of our adversary and accuser.

Layers and layers of prophecy it is........God's a great cook and a dandy baker i think the problem in God's kitchen though, like in so many other situations "there's too many Chiefs and not enough Indians".

[mark s]

No, it is not meaningless, it is meant for them and us. 'All that is about to take place' would suggest that Jesus was including them in this discussion, the 70th week was not about to take place. The statement of Jesus was inclusive of all who believe - 'that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may stand before the Son of Man'.

When do those who believe 'stand before the Son of Man' in the context of Luke, Matt and Mark? When He comes, at the coming of the Son of Man, after the time of distress, at the end of the age. Which would sugget that those who have preceeded us will stand before the Son of Man at the same time we do, when He comes after the time of distress, on the DOTL.

Where in Scripture do we find us "standing before the Son of Man"?

'We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. Accoring to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not preceed those who have fallen asleep.....the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.. And so shall we be with the Lord forever.'

Those who are alive do not preceed those who have died, but it appears also that those who have died do not preceed those who are still alive. We are all caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, to stand before the Son of Man, which in the context of Matt, Mark and Luke, occurs when Jesus comes, at the coming of the Son of Man, after the time of distress, on the DOTL.

I would look for a closer match to the wording.

Love in Christ,
Mark

[Keeping Alert]

Layers and layers of prophecy it is........God's a great cook and a dandy baker i think the problem in God's kitchen though, like in so many other situations "there's too many Chiefs and not enough Indians".

Hi shortribber,

Layers and layers of prophecy... one after another...

At least that is the way I think God would present it to us. Otherwise, we might as well give up studying prophecy because if it is one big mumbo-jumbo (like some would do their cooking ) we would not know where to start.

The prophecy in Luke 21 is IMO divided clearly into 3 parts

Luke 21:5-19 - Signs before the destruction of Jerusalem
Luke 21:20-24 - From the destruction of Jerusalem until the times of the Gentiles (which I believe to be 7 June 1967 when Jerusalem was won back)
Luke 21:25-36 - The end of times

We have to understand something about Luke too. He was a highly esteemed historian and doctor. He had a brilliant and a very logical mind.

I think...
Luke included verse 34 for the purpose of identification of those who "escape" IMHO - "That Day"...
Luke included verse 35 for double clarity... "all those who live on the face of the whole earth." - not some local event in Israel... a global event...

For these people, "Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen"

I don't know... the only way that I can see how we can escape a world-wide event is to be out of the world???

Best regards,
KA

[shorttribber]

Layers and layers of prophecy... one after another...

At least that is the way I think God would present it to us. Otherwise, we might as well give up studying prophecy because if it is one big mumbo-jumbo (like some would do their cooking ) we would not know where to start.

Not understanding it exactly is one way to humble the spirit....that's ok...The secret things belong to God.

[1whowaits]

One standing before the Son of Man is interpreted different ways, some believe this is a reference to the rapture/catching up, when the Son of Man comes to gather the righteous and they receive new bodies. I believe it may be a reference to the judgement seat of Christ as noted in Rom 14:10 (we will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ) and 2 Cor 5:10 (we will appear before the judgement seat of Christ).

The passages in Mark and Matt that parallel Luke 21:36 speak of the servants remaining faithful and watching for the master who returns and rewards them, suggesting that the judgement seat of Christ is in view. In the context of Luke, Mark and Matt, the judgement seat occurs sometime after the Son of Man comes, after the time of distress, during the DOTL (not prior to that time).

As those in 70 AD and those in the church who were persecuted as Jesus described will stand before the judgement seat of Christ, as will we all, the statement in Luke 21 of 'escaping all these things' or 'escaping all that is about to take place' and standing before the Son of Man would apply to them also.

[mark s]

And then there is Rev. 7, the multitude who stands before the throne, and before the Lamb.

So then yes, these are all examples where that particular wording and imagery is used.

Rev 7 speaks for itself.

Standing before the judgement seat of Christ, to me, has a similar theme to is, that is, outside of our normal earthly life.

In the terms of Rev 7, to escape these things would be an alternative, that is, the one who does not escape those things, though perhaps later come to faith, would likewise not stand with that crowd at that time.

In the terms of the judgement seat of Christ, all believers will eventually find their way there, though perhaps some more quickly.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

And then there is Rev. 7, the multitude who stands before the throne, and before the Lamb.

So then yes, these are all examples where that particular wording and imagery is used.

Rev 7 speaks for itself.

Standing before the judgement seat of Christ, to me, has a similar theme to is, that is, outside of our normal earthly life.

In the terms of Rev 7, to escape these things would be an alternative, that is, the one who does not escape those things, though perhaps later come to faith, would likewise not stand with that crowd at that time.

In the terms of the judgement seat of Christ, all believers will eventually find their way there, though perhaps some more quickly.

I think that standing before the judgment seat and the resurrection/rapture are one and the same thing. Everyone will be resurrected, everyone will stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Just my 2 cents

RT

[shorttribber]

I think that standing before the judgment seat and the resurrection/rapture are one and the same thing. Everyone will be resurrected, everyone will stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

I agree

[benny balerio]

Jesus uses the phrase 'all these things' or 'these things' at the beginning and end of the Discourse as a one phrase overview of what He teaches concerning the sign of His coming and the end of the age.

At the beginning of the Olivet Discourse His disciple ask Him:

'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?' Mark 13:4.

At the end of the Olivet Discourse He says:

'And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.' Luke 21.29-31

It looks quite clear that this is a one phrase overview of the 'end of the age.'

If these things be true then there are scripturally a couple things to notice from Luke 21.28-32.

'And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh
29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled'

There are two different people groups in relation to 'all these things'/'these things.'
1.)There are those who will only see the beginning of 'these things' before their redemption. These woud be those found 'worthy' and escape 'all these things' of Luke 21.36; these would also be those that escape judgment by way of the pre-trib rapture......as Noah did byway the Ark from the flood. described in Matt. 24.37-43.
2.)But there are also those who will see 'these things come to pass;' these ones will see and experience every thing Jesus teaches concering the end of the age

There is a redemption for both groups of people.

Those that escape 'all these things' will not experience the affliction/trbulation of Matt. 24.9-14 before the setting up of the abomination of Matt. 24.15 nor the great tribulation after the setting of othe abomination of desolation of Matt. 24.21.

Jesus then teaches a pre tribulation and great tribulation escape/rapture in the Olivet Discourse.

The worthy will escape 'all these things' by the rapture.

[1whowaits]

The timing of the judgement seat of Christ is not known, but is alluded to in scripture. Matt 25 does discuss rewards given to the righteous which some believe is an event just after the return of Jesus at armageddon. As scripture telescopes events at the beginning and at the end of the millenium, it is possible that the righteous stand before the judgement seat of Christ at the beginning of the millenium, and later the unrighteous stand for the GWTJ at the end of the millenium.

Jesus may suggest the timing of the judgement seat in Rev 22- 'Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give according to what he has done.' Jesus is bringing His reward (for His servants) when He comes, which would appear to refer to the judgement seat, and in Rev and the Olivet discourse He comes after the time of distress, at armageddon, on the DOTL. The judgement seat of Christ occurs after Jesus returns, and He returns at armageddon.

[benny balerio]

The timing of the judgement seat of Christ is not known, but is alluded to in scripture. Matt 25 does discuss rewards given to the righteous which some believe is an event just after the return of Jesus at armageddon. As scripture telescopes events at the beginning and at the end of the millenium, it is possible that the righteous stand before the judgement seat of Christ at the beginning of the millenium, and later the unrighteous stand for the GWTJ at the end of the millenium.

Jesus may suggest the timing of the judgement seat in Rev 22- 'Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give according to what he has done.' Jesus is bringing His reward (for His servants) when He comes, which would appear to refer to the judgement seat, and in Rev and the Olivet discourse He comes after the time of distress, at armageddon, on the DOTL. The judgement seat of Christ occurs after Jesus returns, and He returns at armageddon.

The timing of the Judgement Seat of Christ occurs at the pre-trib rapture.


The Judgment of believers will occur immediately following the rapture. The rapture is a future event, an imminent event, when all born again believers will be caught up in the air by Jesus and taken home, by Him, to Heaven. The timing of the Judgment Seat of Christ is given in the following scriptures:
In Luke 14:12-14, reward is associated with the resurrection and the rapture is when the church is resurrected. The term Church refers to believers.
In Revelation 19:8, when the Lord returns with His bride at the end of the tribulation, she is seen already rewarded. Her reward is described as fine linen, the righteous acts of the saints undoubtedly the result of rewards.
In 2 Timothy 4:8 and 1 Corinthians 4:5, rewards are associated with "that day" and with the Lord's coming. Again, for the church this means the event of the rapture.
http://raptureready.com/abc/Judgment_Se ... hrist.html

But!......When the Lord returns ,...after Armageddon,...the Martyred receive a crown of life including those who suffered for their faith.

Remember!....The pre-trib rapture of the catching up of the dead and alive,...and the resurrection of the Martyred saints after armageddon is the "FIRST RESURRECTION IN KIND"

[Resurrection Torchlight]

Luke 21:36
36 “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Romans 14:10-11
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11 For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall give praise to God.”

So what does it mean to stand before the Son of Man?

Where is the judgment seat located?

The Judgment seat of Christ is in fact His throne in heaven:
John has been caught up to heaven and is witness to heavenly events:

Revelation 20:11
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

Jesus sits as judge

John 5:22
22 “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

He sits on His throne which is also His father's throne in heaven:

Hebrews 8:1-2
1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.

Revelation 3:21
21 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

All those who ever will be resurrected (which is everyone by the way) will stand before this throne in heaven. Whether good or evil, every knee will bow before Him and confess Him as Lord when they appear before Him and His throne at their resurrection.

Those who escape "all these things" according to Luke will "stand before the Son of man" they will stand before His throne, which is the judgment seat. They will stand to receive their recompense according to their deeds done in the body while on earth.

John 5:26-30
26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.
28 “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
30 “I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Not all stand together before the throne at the same time, whenever they are raised in whatever order they arrive there, all will stand before the throne in heaven when they are resurrected or raptured.

Revelation 7:9
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Those spoken of by Luke will escape "all these things" , "that day that comes upon all those who dwell upon the earth",

Luke 21:35
35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth.

They escape to stand before the Son of man. If "that day" is coming to all those who dwell on the face of all the earth, then where else could they escape to but off of the earth? To stand before the throne of the Son of Man in heaven?

seems pretty straight forward to me

RT

[Mrs. B]

Escape (flee from ) all these things


Not to be a sleep....Spiritually'
But be wise......be wise and not fooliesh...Be awake

So many Chrisitans don't KNow the day and hour we are in..right now
they are living without any idea of the day we are in.....not ready
and so many don't even wont to know.....They are asleep

Mrs. B

[Resurrection Torchlight]

Escape (flee from ) all these things


Not to be a sleep....Spiritually'
But be wise......be wise and not fooliesh...Be awake

So many Chrisitans don't KNow the day and hour we are in..right now
they are living without any idea of the day we are in.....not ready
and so many don't even wont to know.....They are asleep

Mrs. B

Luke 21:36
36 “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

"Escape all these things that are about to take place"- doesn't sound like escaping spiritual sleepiness to me. They are escaping the things about to take place, the things that encompass "that day" about to come upon all those on the face of all the earth, it comes upon all those who are asleep who are drunk and caught up in the worries of life.

If one is to escape they must not be asleep, so alertness is a prerequisite to escape. If someone is spiritual asleep, they won't escape.

The passage says to be alert at all times, so that you can escape. If someone is alert and awake at all times how can they also be asleep?

Those who walk as children of light, who imitate Christ, who do not partake in the deeds of those who walk in darkness, who learn what is pleasing to God, who are filled with the Spirit , who are not foolish but understand what the will of God is- are awake.

Ephesians 5:1-18
1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children;
2 and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.
3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
7 Therefore do not be partakers with them;
8 for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light
9 (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth),
10 trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord.
11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;
12 for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret.
13 But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light.
14 For this reason it says,
“Awake, sleeper,
And arise from the dead,
And Christ will shine on you.”
15 Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise,
16 making the most of your time, because the days are evil.
17 So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

Since we are all now sons of light; sober and alert; the day will not overtake us, or come upon us like a trap as Luke says:

1 Thessalonians 5:4-9
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;
5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;
6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.
7 For those who sleep do their sleeping at night, and those who get drunk get drunk at night.
8 But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

.


Anyway it seems to me that the idea of not escaping the day of the Lord would and should serve as a deterrent to spiritual sleep and an inspiration toward remaining spiritually alert at all times. Not for those who live on earth when the day of the Lord comes, but for those who live believing that it could come at any time, so that they remain spiritual alert always, expecting that the day could come during their lifetime. For the church that has existed since the time of Christ. If they desire to escape that day, then they need to remain spiritually alert and awake. The escape therefore is a comfort to those who do, because the escape is salvation- to stand before the Son of man- to inherit eternal life, when they stand before the Son of man.

RT

[Abiding in His Word]

If they desire to escape that day, then they need to remain spiritually alert and awake.

So are we saying that escaping God's wrath is conditional for believers?

[Exit40]

If they desire to escape that day, then they need to remain spiritually alert and awake.

So are we saying that escaping God's wrath is conditional for believers?

And is that condition based upon works ?

God Bless

David

[benny balerio]

If they desire to escape that day, then they need to remain spiritually alert and awake.

So are we saying that escaping God's wrath is conditional for believers?

Escaping Gods wrath is one of the benefits of being saved.(not conditional in that sense,..it's just good advice given by paul through the Holy Spirit)

But escaping Gods wrath is conditional in the sense..... that you must be born again!

1 Thessalonians 5;4-11
4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.


6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.

Who are the others?...Answer: The world,the unbelievers,fence-sitters.

Consider the Words:..."4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief"

It seems that if one is in darkness, then one is obviously not a true believer.....after all,..anyone can claim to be a christian.

If the Holy Spirit is indwelling a person,..then that person should obviously realize that the Lord is very soon to take the Bride Home.

[Abiding in His Word]

Escaping Gods wrath is one of the benefits of being saved.(not conditional in that sense,..it's just good advice given by paul through the Holy Spirit)

But escaping Gods wrath is conditional in the sense..... that you must be born again!

Agreed!

My question was regarding believers:

So are we saying that escaping God's wrath is conditional for believers?

[benny balerio]

Escaping Gods wrath is one of the benefits of being saved.(not conditional in that sense,..it's just good advice given by paul through the Holy Spirit)

But escaping Gods wrath is conditional in the sense..... that you must be born again!

Agreed!

My question was regarding believers:

So are we saying that escaping God's wrath is conditional for believers?

The Bride is saved by grace,...in other words:..."The moment that you first believed, you were sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the Day of redemption...........................The answer to your question is obviously..."NO"......Praise the Lord!
1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

[Abiding in His Word]

Thank you, benny! I certainly agree!

[Resurrection Torchlight]

Escaping Gods wrath is one of the benefits of being saved.(not conditional in that sense,..it's just good advice given by paul through the Holy Spirit)

But escaping Gods wrath is conditional in the sense..... that you must be born again!

exactly!

If you are "asleep" are you a believer?

Revelation 3:1-3
1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write:
He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
2 ‘Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.
3 ‘So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.

Those who were part of the local church body at Sardis, had a name for themselves that identified them as being alive, "Christians" perhaps??? But the reality was that they were spiritually dead, they are called to repent- to wake up,so that they can be spiritually alive- if they don't then the Lord will come like a thief at an unexpected hour (DOTL). SOund familiar??

Luke 12:35-46
35 “Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit.
36 “Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks.
37 “Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
38 “Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.
39 “But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have allowed his house to be broken into.
40 “You too, be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect.”
41 Peter said, “Lord, are You addressing this parable to us, or to everyone else as well?”
42 And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?
43 “Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.
44 “Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk;
46 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

Just because someone attends a local church doesn't mean that they are truly saved. The Lord knocks on the door of those who are alert and awake, awaiting His return, but he comes unexpectedly like a thief to the one who is not alert and ready- that slave will be assigned a place with the unbelievers.

RT

[Abiding in His Word]

If they desire to escape that day, then they need to remain spiritually alert and awake.

If you are "asleep" are you a believer?

Well, are unbelievers spiritually alert? Can they be?

ETA:

1Cor. 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

[Mrs. B]

Escape(flee from) all these things.....

Faith and Patience and Obedience

We are in this world but we are not of this world.....we must be willing to forsake all and walk in obedience.

Jesus said when you see this AOB flee
this means you have to obey and trust Him....to flee is to leave all behind
Get up and get out....leave all behind
where your heart is there is your treasure...
forsake all and follow me....Jesus taught this
Love not this world, nor the things of this world,if we love the world we are not worthy of Him.
He Has Promised....I' never leave you...


Trust and Obey.....we must not sleep....we must Watch and Pray and stay ready...

Mrs. B

[benny balerio]

If they desire to escape that day, then they need to remain spiritually alert and awake.

If you are "asleep" are you a believer?

Well, are unbelievers spiritually alert? Can they be?

ETA:

1Cor. 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

http://raptureready.com/featured/ice/An ... 25_35.html
"Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will."

- Matthew 24:42- 44


Three major themes are emphasized in the parables that conclude the twenty-fourth chapter of Matthew. Watchfulness was the emphasis concerning the parable of the fig tree (24:32- 34). The comparison of Christ' s return to the days of Noah focuses on preparedness (24:36- 41). The section I am now entering (24:42- 51) provides two parables that teach lessons of faithfulness in service to our Lord. The first parable in this section is found in verses 42- 44. Mark' s account of the Olivet Discourse does not have this identical parable, but Luke does in a different context (12:39- 40).

This parable tells us about an owner of a house that has received a warning that a thief was coming to break into his house. Since he knows the time in which the thief was to arrive, the responsible owner prepares for this impending event by setting a watch to guard the house and protect it from a possible break-in. The point of the lesson is that if one knows the time and place of when something will occur, then the responsible thing to do would be to take conscientious action in light of the impending event.


Be on the Alert

Following on the heels of the " one taken and the other left" passages, Jesus concludes that one needs to be alert concerning His coming. This verse (42) provides a hinge between the

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This is a very good article

[Mrs. B]

Escape flee from all these things....


Lot's wife.....she looked back, even some of her children were left behind.....and even Lot's wife looked back because her heart was with her children...
I teach....you must love Jesus more then your own children.....
I cried out to the Lord, My Children
He told me you put me first, and I can save your children...this is not easy, for any mother.
But the word teaches. Jesus teaches...we must love Him more then mother, father, brother sister and our own life..
We have to love Jesus more then anything in this world....He Must Be First
He can save and Keep what we trust and put in His Hands....

I had 3 boot boxes...full of all my children's drawings, pictures, there first written words,things they had colored, grade cards....all those little things that mother put away to keep and treasue about there children when they are growing up..
I tried to save my children......Jesus said, I can Save Them...But you must Put Me first......
As an offering to Him..(we had a wood furnice, I took those 3 boot box and throw them into the fire as a sacrifice to Jesus to say.....Jesus I Love You...Now I'm Trusting you to save my Children.

Well, Thank you Jesus....My Children Know the Lord......and have given there lives to Him....
This is what it is all about...
We Put Jesus First..The Kingdom of God First..and Point our Children and family to Jesus.....He is able to Keep those we give to Him....He is a Good Keeper.

Mrs. B

[1whowaits]

Just thinking a little further about when believers stand before the judgement seat of Christ. As christians already have eternal life and their names are written in the Lamb's book of life, the judgement seat for christians is a judgement of their works and a giving of rewards.

Paul describes this in 1 Cor 3- 'if any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will recieve his reward.'

The 'Day' in this passage appears to be a reference to the Day of the Lord, which occurs when Jesus returns, and it is during the 'Day' that christians receive their reward. Scripture repeatedly describes Jesus returning and the Day of the Lord in association with armageddon, after the time of distress. It would appear that the judgement seat of Christ and the rewarding of believers occurs after Jesus returns, after the time of distress, not before that time.

Rev 11 describes the 7th trumpet when 'the kingdom of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ..', and the events described are consitent with armaggedon (the nations were angry, and your wrath has come). In this context the passage continues -'the time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name.'

This passage also refers to the saints receiving their rewards when Jesus returns at armageddon, on the DOTL.

In Rev 22 Jesus states -'Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.' In Rev, Jesus is described as returning only at armageddon, not prior to that time. According to Rev 22 when Jesus returns, His reward is with Him, and He does not return in Rev until armageddon.

Rev 7 describes those who have come out of the GT perhaps receiveing the reward of serving in the temple, but this event is preceeded by the 6th seal which has statements consistent with the time of armageddon (sky receeding like a scroll...men hiding in the rocks.. noted in Isa). Any rewards at the time of Rev 7 would be associated with the time of armageddon.


In Matt 25 at the sheep and the goats event, Jesus rewards the righteous, after He returns, after the time of distress, not prior to that time. The time Jesus is on the throne giving rewards to the righteous is after describing repeatedly that the servants should remain faithful until the time of the masters return, which occurs after the time of distress in Matt 24.

And also in Luke 21, standing before the Son of Man is mentioned is association with 'the Day' which closes like a trap, the DOTL, when Jesus returns, not prior to that time.

From several scriptures it appears that standing before the Son of Man, the judgement seat of Christ, occurs around the time of His return, or after the time of His return, at or after armageddon during the DOTL, not prior to that time.

Somewhere along the line the idea has developed that the judgement seat of Christ occurs during the 70th week prior to Jesus' return, which the above passages would not support, the time of rewarding is after His return. Also a common view is that the judgement seat of Christ is a long term event wherein christians gradually trickle before the throne over time, where is the scriptural evidence for this?

[Resurrection Torchlight]

Jesus said when you see this AOB flee

Actually Jesus didn't say that the AOD is a sign for all believers to flee but to those who are in Judea

Matthew 24:15-16
15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

Mark 13:14
14 “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

Who here actually lives in Judea?

They don't escape to stand before the Son of Man, they escape from Judea to the mountains.

They are told to pray that their flight is not in winter or on a Sabbath

Matthew 24:20
20 “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.

While those in Luke are told to pray for strength to escape

In fact Luke's parallel account to that in Matthew and Mark says:

Luke 21:20-22
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
21 “Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

The context is that they flee Judea, because Jerusalem is about to be desolated.

this means you have to obey and trust Him....to flee is to leave all behind
Get up and get out....leave all behind
where your heart is there is your treasure...
forsake all and follow me....Jesus taught this
Love not this world, nor the things of this world,if we love the world we are not worthy of Him.
He Has Promised....I' never leave you...


Trust and Obey.....we must not sleep....we must Watch and Pray and stay ready...

I do agree that we as believers are to do all these things-

I teach....you must love Jesus more then your own children.....
I cried out to the Lord, My Children
He told me you put me first, and I can save your children...this is not easy, for any mother.
But the word teaches. Jesus teaches...we must love Him more then mother, father, brother sister and our own life..
We have to love Jesus more then anything in this world....He Must Be First
He can save and Keep what we trust and put in His Hands....

I had 3 boot boxes...full of all my children's drawings, pictures, there first written words,things they had colored, grade cards....all those little things that mother put away to keep and treasue about there children when they are growing up..
I tried to save my children......Jesus said, I can Save Them...But you must Put Me first......
As an offering to Him..(we had a wood furnice, I took those 3 boot box and throw them into the fire as a sacrifice to Jesus to say.....Jesus I Love You...Now I'm Trusting you to save my Children.

Well, Thank you Jesus....My Children Know the Lord......and have given there lives to Him....
This is what it is all about...
We Put Jesus First..The Kingdom of God First..and Point our Children and family to Jesus.....He is able to Keep those we give to Him....He is a Good Keeper.

In hearty agreement...I am still trusting Jesus for the salvation of my children- it is a hard thing, but in all things Christ is first.

RT