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mark s wrote:At issue is which manuscript you are looking at. The Minority Text shows "have strength". The Majority Text shows "be accounted worthy".
Exit40 wrote:Being counted worthy implies, to me at least, The Lord directly being active in provision.
Being accounted worthy could refer to those who believe being the ones who are counted worthy and are alert and awake and flee from those things which would cause one to be asleep
mark s wrote: how do they say it happens? By our own strength? Or by being accounted worthy?
Abiding in His Word wrote:Hey shorttribber, I see we understand the passage in nearly the same way. I was just a bit more long-winded in my post.
shorttribber wrote:mark s wrote: how do they say it happens? By our own strength? Or by being accounted worthy?
By being counted worthy to obtain God's strength though faith in Christ....and receive the needed grace to endure, persevere....and have the patience of the saints and not fall away into drunkenness and deception of the world ...as a snare.
Worthy to be strong by grace through the greatest test of our faith.
As i said..they both net the same understanding for me.........you may see it differently and view it as a mistake.
mark s wrote:There's that phrase, "these things", "these things that are coming to pass".
In verse 31, Jesus refers to "these things", what things are those?
shorttribber wrote:look at it from this pespective Mark,
A soldier in that day would "PROVE" a weapon, and find it "WORTH" fighting with. They find the weapon or a fellow soldier "Worth" fighting with.
The weapon must be "Strong" and "Proven"..........just as David could not use the armour he was provided, he said he had not "Proven" them, so he chose one that had previously been "Proven Strong and Worthy of use".
We are going to be "Proven Strong and Worthy " of the Masters use.
When the Confirmation with many, part two, commences.
mark s wrote:This doesn't seem like two different uses of "worthy" to you?
mark s wrote:That aside . . . you are then thinking that "be accounted worthy" rather than "have strength" is the correct reading?
I just think that both readings give more insight and clarity to each other that's all.
shorttribber wrote:After a deserving (worthy) vessel is made by the Potter it is put in the fire and strengthened for use.
Abiding in His Word wrote:shorttribber wrote:After a deserving (worthy) vessel is made by the Potter it is put in the fire and strengthened for use.
Agreed. We know we are worthy, justified, righteous and reconciled servants. But not all servants will be strong enough under the circumstances (in the passage) to be used of God. This is obvious throughout scripture.
mark s wrote:I didn't think this passage was about being used, rather, to "escape these things", and to "stand before the Son of Man."
mark s wrote:Once again, I think we have some very different ideas on how to read and interpret Scripture.
Love in Christ,
King James Version (KJV)
36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
ξεφεύγω = jink, slip
ξεφεύγω από = break away
1. to move swiftly or jerkily or make a quick turn in order to dodge or elude
Unless, of course, the beer bottle comes to life and starts chasing you down the street and starts grabbing you, or attempting to grab you, until you finally manage to get away from it's clutches.......and then run.
So after your word studies, is it your opinion that the purpose of the entire passage is to tell us that we will escape all the things Jesus said were going to happen?
Or that we must be careful lest we miss it (slips out of our hands?)
shorttribber wrote:But you can flee quickly from a "snare" just before you are taken in it or by it.
You can "flee quickly" youthful lusts....I understand this to be the same or very similar word no?
watching wrote:But, how do you escape (ekfevgo) youthful lusts?
watching wrote:Shorttribber, that's a completely different word.
Are you trying to compare apples to oranges?
Abiding in His Word wrote:If Jesus was referring to an "escape" from all the things, he mentioned, he would have focused on the joy of expectation for us. Rather he said they would lead to an opportunity for our testimony. They would lead to imprisonment and persecution. There would be hatred among family members and betrayal. They are days of vengeance. There will be great distress that will come upon the whole world. Men will be fainting from fear. These were warnings spoken to believers. [sarcasm here] Oh, but don't worry about strength and endurance, you won't be here. [/end sarcasm]
Doesn't make sense to me.
mark s wrote:I guess they didn't have the worthy-strength to flee!
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