In the end of the primary season...

[good4u1]

Even tho' the primary season is now just officially underway...in the end, imo, it will be Romney who will be the last man standing, albeit, bloodied and bruised. He is not my conservative heart's desire of course, but all indications are that with his superb political machine and super pac money and the GOP establishment behind him, he will be the GOP nominee to take on Obama in all likelihood. This is my political instinct and had I picked a different career, it would be as a political consultant.

He may not overtake Paul in the IA caucuses, but that is an anomaly. Paul has no chance as a GOP candidate long-term as he is out of sync with mainstream GOP voters. In the end, it is Romney. Obama is terrified that is exactly what will happen and it will be a very nasty and contentious presidential election...the worst of the the worst in dirty politics. Nevertheless, it will be the most important presidential election cycle in many, many years and 2012 will be the year that Iran either obtains nuclear weapons or the West (or Israel) will step up and stop their nuclear ambitions to dominate the Middle East.

These are my 2012 predictions...oh, Happy New Year!

[Jericho]

That's a good possibility. Romney is not my first choice, or even second, but I suppose anyone is better than Obama... right??

[Sword of Geddon]

I wouldn't be so sure...

Its still really early. Don't forget a great portion of Republican and conservative voters are firmly Anti-Romney, they just have not settled on a chosen "champion" to carry the standard. I'm hoping either Newt manages to overcome his Iowa setback, or that Rick Perry surges ahead and becomes the frontrunner. Both these guys have great platforms and I really think they have been treated unfairly. If Rick Santorum has staying power he will get my vote however.

I actually think Romney would lose to Obama. I think he is a John Mccain or Bob Dole, and would fail to energize the Republican base or Independant moderates or Conservatives. George Soros and Obama's political machine will do anything they can to make sure Obama wins a second term. Unless we have a Republican who excites voters a second Obama term is inevitable.

The only bright side I can think of in an Obama second term would be the Tea Party would continue to grow, the Republicans would likely take the House completely and the Senate as well, and Progressives of all stripes will be thrown out of office all over the country.

Then in 2016 the voters will have learned their lession about settling for a non-conservative establishment Republican.

Hopefully people won't make the mistake of voting for Romney. It would be nice to have someone who isn't the lesser of two evils in the White House, and even nicer to see Obama's reaction when he loses to said person.

[daffodyllady]

There are many moderates and even many Democrats who voted for Obama, who will not do so a second time around. Romney DOES appeal to many of those voters.

[good4u1]

Oh, I am not by any means a betting person...but had I followed my college professor's plea to enter the Honors Program in Politics I might be a political consultant by now in Washington...but I digress...

I do not see Gingrich or Perry as having the "gravitas" to overtake Romney. Tho' thin-skinned when it comes to criticism, Romney still has the overall political skill to out maneuver his GOP rivals...but the presidential race to defeating Obama will be formidable and Obama is a mean political machine from the dregs of Chicago politics...and unless Obama makes some political decision that sours the voters, he will be a challenge for Romney. But just because he is a challenge does not make him unbeatable and he is vulnerable. What Romney must do is play on Obama's vulnerabilities and play it and play it and play it...constantly reminding voters of what they will taste four more years of and anyone without a job, higher taxes, and inflation will run, not walk to Romney.

The other GOP candidates are just not as prepared for the long-haul as Romney as Romney has been running for President since the last election cycle. No doubt, there will be ups and downs for Romney, but in the end...Romney will be the GOP nominee. If my political instinct is true...Ron Paul, who will NOT be the GOP pick may be such a gad fly in the process that he could become a spoiler and run a third-party ticket, thereby guaranteeing Obama the presidential win.

It should be a fascinating political cycle...one of the more interesting in politics. It should be a good show!

[burien1]

Already sick of the "show", myself. And we still have close to a year to go.

[daffodyllady]

... If my political instinct is true...Ron Paul, who will NOT be the GOP pick may be such a gad fly in the process that he could become a spoiler and run a third-party ticket, thereby guaranteeing Obama the presidential win.

Personally, I doubt that Ron Paul could pull many votes away from Romney. From what I have heard, many of RP's supporters are actually Democrats who want marijuana legalized, and also quite a few pacifists and OWS'ers. I really think a Ron Paul run as an Independent would hurt Obama more than Romney.

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/12/democrat ... publicans/

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/10/blue-rep ... -ron-paul/

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer. ... ace/276751


Of course, we haven't yet seen whether Trump will also throw his hat in the ring...

[good4u1]

Of course, we haven't yet seen whether Trump will also throw his hat in the ring...

Possibly...but he is an attention-seeker and has no real chance of election tho' his ego would like to think so. Truly, a legend in his own mind. He is a power player and King-maker for sure.

What is an OWS'er?

[Sword of Geddon]

Occupy Wall Streeter I believe.

I don't think I could vote for Romney honestly. I don't think he is trustworthy and he has by far the least character of any of the Republicans running. If he is the nominee I will stay home. I think if Republican primary voters are stupid enough to vote for Romney we deserve Obama.

I think this because Romney does not represent principle, but politics. The only reason people would vote for him is "because he could win", not because they believe in him or because he has beliefs and a message that resonates with people. If people always complain about how corrupt washington is, yet choose to elect more of the same, do they really have the right to complain if nothing changes despite a changing of the guard in washington?

[good4u1]

Well, that is a shame, Sword, if you neglect your civic responsibility as a citizen just because you do not like your party's national nominee. I didn't particular care for McCain either, but I still voted for him...and you know the results. Remember, there are many other vital races/issues that need support and decisions can be won or lost all because you sulked and stayed home. Please re-consider and do the right thing.

[SueAnn]

Well, that is a shame, Sword, if you neglect your civic responsibility as a citizen just because you do not like your party's national nominee. I didn't particular care for McCain either, but I still voted for him...and you know the results. Remember, there are many other vital races/issues that need support and decisions can be won or lost all because you sulked and stayed home. Please re-consider and do the right thing.

[daffodyllady]

It does seem to me that voting is NOT taking personal responsibility for everything "your guy" does if he gets in office. Voting seems to me often to be a choice between the lesser of two evils... as if a car is rolling down a slope, and we can't stop it, but we CAN nudge it a bit one direction or the other, to hopefully influence it to a better position for later action. ?

[Sword of Geddon]

A vote for Romney would represent the voter(if Conservative or Christian) compromising principals merely for the purpose of winning. Definitely as you just said Daffo, Romney would be the lesser of two evils, and that seems to be the way the American system(and democratic government in general) operate.

Truth is I lost faith in the American political system some time ago. The system and the ideals it is based on seem noble on the surface but are based on false premises.

Back in 2009 I voted for Scott Brown, believing sending a message that if a republican took a seat in massacusetts that things would actually change for the better. Many thought the 2010 midterm elections would change things, things did not change.

I have not been voting for very much of my life(the first election I was legally able to vote in was in 2004). The basic American idea of government is that the people are where a government gets its authority and sovereignty from. I quick look at even recent history shows just how foolish having people decide anything is. Elections brought Obama to power. The Occupy protests(And the 1960s protests and ideals they are based on) are really an example of how a society that places freedom as its primary goal really looks.

I've followed this process, but it has become increasingly clear to me that when it comes down to it, people do not want a moral person to lead them, only one that can do something for them.

The entire American idea of government goes against a biblical view of government. The real authority behind government is God himself, and the role of government is not in fact to represent the interests of its people, but is in fact to restrain the evil within a society.

Is there really a point to voting in a state where my vote doesn't matter anyway? Is there a point to voting at all considering that God is the one who ultimately appoints rulers, whether they be Kings or Presidents?

[good4u1]

Sword,

It appears I am much older than you or at least that is a strong possibility...and I do NOT want to turn my thread into a civic lesson for you. Your jaded cynicism regarding the democratic process expresses your youthful idealism and not long-term experience and takes for granted the rights our forefathers gave their blood and treasure for to ensure your right to exercise (or in your case not) your voice thru one person; one vote. ALL human governments are corrupt, but government is only as good as the people who govern and we all know that all have sinned and fall short of the glory (standard) of God (Rom. 3:23). So until the Righteous Ruler comes and takes His place on the throne, believers must exercise every avenue of power given to them be it by God or man to be salt and light in a corrupt world. And in this case, that is coming up thru the voting booth in November, 2012.

Please re-consider and do the right thing.

[HighBeams]

Sword, I also am quite a bit older than you and have had many opportunities to vote. Also, like you, I am cynical of the political process that has evolved in our country. But I will continue to vote. What good4u1 said about our democratic process--i.e., the ability to have a one-person-one-vote--being a treasure and ultimately under God's control is absolutely correct. Our government was given to us by God (Romans 13:1-3), and our corruption of it is not His fault. But simply because it is highly corrupted does not mean that God cannot or does not use individual votes as He desires. When I go to the voting booth, it is after much prayer seeking the Lord's guidance. Therefore, while I do not know just how God uses my vote, I am absolutely confident that He does use my vote for His glory.

[good4u1]

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What High Beams said...

[Sword of Geddon]

The American revolution, fought by a minority of colonists in the late 18th century, was fueled by a humanist, not Christian, philosophy. When people say the United States was founded on Christian principles they are promoting revisionist history. The founders were influenced by people like Locke, and I don't have to tell you that Locke's writings were anything but Christian. Thomas Hobbes, another writer of the time was much closer to a true biblical view of government.

The true purpose of government is not to represent "the people" but to maintain order and restrain immorality, much of which is not possible under a representational or democratic form of government. The revolution was fought for immoral reasons, mainly because many colonists did not want to pay taxes(a violation of one of God's commands in scripture).

I'm not going to go into the voting booth and in effect endorse the American political system, which forces you to choose from one of two people who are really not all that different,and enforces a system where popular opinion, not the common good, is the rule.

My newest favorite quote:

"A society which makes freedom its primary goal will lose it, because it has made, not responsibility, but freedom from responsibility, its purpose."
--R. J. Rushdoony

[Jericho]

The revolution was fought for immoral reasons, mainly because many colonists did not want to pay taxes(a violation of one of God's commands in scripture).

Hello Sword. Sorry for getting off topic but the colonists did not pay the taxes because they were being overly taxed to help pay for the debt the British government incurred from the French and Indian War. The pretext for not paying was the Magna Carta which stated "No scutage or aid may be levied in our kingdom without its general consent." This consent was never given, hence the phrase "no taxation without representation". So it can be argued those taxes were illegal to begin with.

[good4u1]

Let see if you feel the same way 20 years from now...oh well. It is between you and God what you don't do on Election Day.

[GodsStudent]

Sword, I also am quite a bit older than you and have had many opportunities to vote. Also, like you, I am cynical of the political process that has evolved in our country. But I will continue to vote. What good4u1 said about our democratic process--i.e., the ability to have a one-person-one-vote--being a treasure and ultimately under God's control is absolutely correct. Our government was given to us by God (Romans 13:1-3), and our corruption of it is not His fault. But simply because it is highly corrupted does not mean that God cannot or does not use individual votes as He desires. When I go to the voting booth, it is after much prayer seeking the Lord's guidance. Therefore, while I do not know just how God uses my vote, I am absolutely confident that He does use my vote for His glory.

Thank you for helping me with my internal struggle. You put into words what I needed to hear. I have been struggling in this area. I love everything you posted here. Thanks!!!

[HighBeams]

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:58 pm

The American revolution, fought by a minority of colonists in the late 18th century, was fueled by a humanist, not Christian, philosophy. When people say the United States was founded on Christian principles they are promoting revisionist history. The founders were influenced by people like Locke, and I don't have to tell you that Locke's writings were anything but Christian. Thomas Hobbes, another writer of the time was much closer to a true biblical view of government.

Sword, I never called our government founded on Christianity. Many of the principles, though, were taken from the Bible, even though the men drafting the writings were not necessarily Christians. I do not believe that we are a Christian country, at least not by the Biblical definition of Christian. I've known people who believe they are Christians simply because they were born in this country. In reality, they have little to nothing to do with Christ Himself.

Having said that, do the philosophies of the founders negate the Biblical statement that God ordains governments?

The true purpose of government is not to represent "the people" but to maintain order and restrain immorality, much of which is not possible under a representational or democratic form of government. The revolution was fought for immoral reasons, mainly because many colonists did not want to pay taxes(a violation of one of God's commands in scripture).

As previously noted by SwordofGideon, the taxation problem was not that they did not want to pay their fair share of taxes, but that they did not want to pay exorbitantly for something which had nothing to do with them and did not help their communities. May I ask where you were taught your version of American history? How do you know any more than the rest of us exactly what was happening in everyday lives in those days? Do you have an eyewitness to verify your version of events? Remember, history is written by the victors. Ever study what the Soviet view of the Cold War was?

I'm not going to go into the voting booth and in effect endorse the American political system, which forces you to choose from one of two people who are really not all that different,and enforces a system where popular opinion, not the common good, is the rule.

So, in your view, God has no oversight at all over our government and cannot effect good in individual lives in our country because we have a corrupt government, just like every other government that has ever existed? You never make your voice heard, even in a whisper, to even make an attempt to change the corruption? There is much truth to the adage that if you don't vote (make your opinion known), then you have no right to complain when things don't go the way you'd like in government. You made no attempt to change things. You are just as ineffective in fighting for the common good as you say those voting according to popular opinion are. Do you also believe that prayer is ineffective in changing anything?

My newest favorite quote:

"A society which makes freedom its primary goal will lose it, because it has made, not responsibility, but freedom from responsibility, its purpose."
--R. J. Rushdoony

And again, do you believe that God has nothing to say about our government or our society? Do you think all of these things go unnoticed by God? Do you think He just lets everything go out of control, wringing His hands, muttering "Oh, dear, oh dear. There they go again. What to do now?"

God has a purpose for everything. He knows exactly what is going to happen when. No one can change His plans.

Isaiah 22:22 New American Standard Bible (NASB)


22 “Then I will set the key of the house of David on his shoulder,
When he opens no one will shut,
When he shuts no one will open.

And also:

Revelation 3:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:

[HighBeams]

GodStudent, you are very welcome! Glad I could help you.

[Sword of Geddon]

1. God allows governments to have authority and exist, but that is far from endorsing the views and principals on which a government is founded on.

The United States was founded on humanist, freemason ideals. The idea of seperation of church and state was not an idea which was practiced(outside Rhonde Island) in many of the American colonies until the later half of the 18th century. If you want to see real Christian ideas about government, look to the writings of the Pilgrims and Puritans of the 17th to early 18th centuries. You will see their views(which were despised by the founding fathers) reflect a biblical worldview and governmental structure.

2. I get my history from many sources. I have read arguments on both sides, but the historical view is that the founding fathers(except a few) were freemason humanists. There was a split at the time between the French and English humanists, the French leaning towards a collective view, and the English leaning towards an individualistic view. Regardless of their views both groups of humanists were very wrong about just about everything.

I won't fall into the trap of "your version of history may say that, but mine doesn't nar nar!" History is history, and since we have the writings of the people I am speaking of, this trap is easily avoided.

3. Nobodies vote has ever counted towards anything anyway. Ballots are hidden(at least in my state), so it is impossible to know person to person where a person stands by looking at votes alone. Moreover peoples views, and the votes they represent are subject to change. Very few people in the United States today stand on principal. Most today place the economy as their number one concern, social issues have taken a back seat, despite the fact that all these issues are connected.

Do you really think a person voting has any effect on the grand scheme of things? God has an ultimate plan he has been following since before time. He has an endgame already established. It is arrogant to assume we can vote and expect that to change at all.

4. I don't think God's plans are effected or changed in the least by anyone deciding to practice American democracy. His decisions have never been ruled by popular opinion, thank goodness they never will be.

A government based on the opinions of the common man, subject to constant change, is probably the most corrupt and immoral form of government. The only way it would not be is if the views of the common man were entirely shaped and guided by Christianity, be it a combination of faith, philosophy and by culture.

Many in this country believe gay marriage is ok, and some states even made it legal. Should that be allowed? What does God's word say about homosexuality? What is God's view of marriage? See where the ever changing views of popular opinion gets a society?

[drdos]

Regardless I will vote for the Pro-life, Most Conservative candidate on the ticket, but I do have to say that I don't believe God will be removing Obama from the office of POTUS. If you haven't heard yet Obama is pushing a new Mortgage Refi program to allow Most if not all mortgage payees to refinance their current mortgage to a very low rate which could save an average mortgage owner $355 per month. No it is not the old program he pushed a couple years ago this is brand new, and the only stipulation on this is that you are 3 months current on your mortgage payments. If he can't win on record he will do so by buying votes.

"This could be just the beginning. If President Barack Obama’s legally dodgy appointment of Richard Cordray to head the consumer finance agency should stick, it may open the door to more such actions. Here’s Jaret Seiberg of the Washington Research Group:

To us, the most important takeaway from a recess appointment of Cordray is that the President could use this same maneuver to put a housing advocate in charge of FHFA.

And why is that important? The Federal Housing Finance Agency is the regulator and conservator of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And the FHFA currently has an acting director, Edward DeMarco. If Obama replaces him with a “housing advocate” via the same recess appointment process, here’s what might happen next, according to Seiberg:

That could lead to a mass refinancing program for agency-backed mortgages that would go well beyond the existing HARP program. That could hurt agency MBS pricing and result in higher financing costs going forward. Yet it also could be a big boost for the economy and housing going into the election.

Indeed, my sources tell me the Obama administration has been eager to implement just such a plan, but needs to have its own man heading the FHFA to make it happen. The plan would be modeled after one originally devised by Columbia University economists Glenn Hubbard (a campaign adviser to Mitt Romney and AEI visiting scholar) and Christopher Mayer. In recent congressional testimony, Mayer described how the mass refinancing plan would work:

Under our plan, every homeowner with a GSE mortgage can refinance his or her mortgage with a new mortgage at a current fixed of 4.20 percent or less. … To qualify, the homeowner must be current on his or her mortgage or become so for at least three months. … Other than being current, we would impose no other qualification or application, except for the intention to accept the new rate (that is, no appraisal, no income verification, no tax returns, etc.).

Mayer estimates that some $3.7 trillion of mortgages would be refinanced. That’s right, this would be the Mother of All Mortgage Refinancing Plans. It would help roughly 30 million borrowers save $75 billion to $80 billion a year. As Mayer puts it: “This plan would function like a long-­lasting tax cut for these 25 or 30 million American families.” "We estimate that 72 percent of owner occupant homeowners would be eligible to refinance at no cost to them. Their monthly mortgage payments would fall by an average of $355, for a total national fiscal injection $7.1 billion each month".
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2828828/posts

[laney]

I recieved this in an email and thought it was interesting and holds so much truth.

Subject: WHY OBAMA WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN 2012

> Dr. Williams' prediction: Maybe you have read some newspaper
> articles written by Dr. Williams a conservative economist who happens
> to be Black. He has taught at several Universities and is currently
> teaching at George Mason University .
>
> No Matter What
>
>
>
> By Dr. Walter Williams
>
> Can President Obama be defeated in 2012? No. He can't.. I am going
> on record as saying that President Barak Obama will win a second term.
> The media won't tell you this because a good election campaign
> means hundreds of millions (or in Obama's case billions) of dollars
> to them in advertising.
>
> But the truth is, there simply are no conditions under which Barak
> Obama can be defeated in 2012.
> The quality of the Republican candidate doesn't matter. Obama gets
> reelected.
> Nine percent unemployment? No problem. Obama will win.
> Gas prices moving toward five dollars a gallon? He still wins.
> The economy soars or goes into the gutter. Obama wins.
> War in the Middle East ? He wins a second term.
>
> America's role as the leading Superpower disappears? Hurrah for Barak
> Obama!
> The U.S. Government rushes toward bankruptcy, the dollar continues
> to sink on world markets and the price of daily goods and services
> soars due to inflation fueled by Obama's extraordinary deficit
> spending? Obama wins handily.
>
>
>
>
> You are crazy Williams. Don't you understand how volatile politics
> can be when overall economic, government, and world conditions are declining?
> Sure I do.
>
> And that's why I know Obama will win. The American people are
> notoriously ignorant of economics. And economics is the key to why
> Obama should be defeated.
>
> Even when Obama's policies lead the nation to final ruin, the
> majority of the American people are going to believe the
> bait-and-switch tactics Obama and his supporters in the media will
> use to explain why it isn't his fault. After all, things were much
> worse than understood when he took office.
>
> Obama's reelection is really a very, very simple math problem. Consider
> the following:
>
> 1) Blacks will vote for Obama blindly. Period. Doesn't matter what he
> does. It's a race thing. He's one of us,
>
> 2) College educated women will vote for Obama. Though they will be
> offended by this, they swoon at his oratory. It's really not m ore complex
> than that,
>
> 3) Liberals will vote for Obama. He is their great hope,
>
> 4) Democrats will vote for Obama. He is the leader of their party and
> his coat tails will carry them to victory nationwide,
>
> 5) Hispanics will vote for Obama. He is the path to citizenship for
> those who are illegal and Hispanic leaders recognize the political
> clout they carry in the Democratic Party,
>
> 6) Union members will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. He is their
> key to money and power in business, state and local politics,
>
>
> 7) Big Business will support Obama. They already have. He has almost
> $1 Billion dollars in his reelection purse gained largely from his
> connections with Big Business and is gaining more every day. Big
> Business loves Obama because he gives them access to taxpayer money
> so long as they support his social and political agenda,
>
> 8) The media love him. They may attack the people who work for
> him, but they love him. After all, to not love him would be racist,
>
> 9) Most&nbs p; other minorities and special interest groups will
> vote for him. Oddly, the overwhelming majority of Jews and Muslims
> will support him because they won't vote Republican. American Indians will support him.
> Obviously homosexuals tend to vote Democratic. And lastly,
>
> 10) Approximately half of independents will vote for Obama. And he
> doesn't need anywhere near that number because he has all of the groups
> previously mentioned. The President will win an overwhelming victory in 2012.
>
> -- Dr. Walter Williams
>
> IN ADDITION TO THE VOTING BLOCKS HE MENTIONS, THERE IS ANOTHER HUGE
> GROUP: THE NEARLY ONE-HALF OF ALL ADULTS DO NOT PAY ANY TAXES AND, IN
> FACT, MOST OF THEM RECEIVE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. THESE PEOPLE DO
> NOT WANT TO "SHAKE THE BOAT" TO DO ANYTHING TO STOP THE FLOW OF
> TAXPAYER MONEY TO THEMSELVE
> *
> It's believed the United States is now somewhere between the
> "complacency and apathy" phase of democracy, with some forty percent of the
> nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
>
>
> If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
> invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye
> to the USA in fewer than five years.
>
> If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.
>
> If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just
> how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to
> our freedom

[laney]

And as much as I agree with sword, I will go vote againt Obama.

[daffodyllady]

laney, if Ron Paul will run as an independent, he will draw a lot of votes off of Obama. Hopefully.

[good4u1]

I think Dr. Williams makes a good case for how ignorant most Americans are regarding their voting privileges and how flawed our political system really is, but...nothing is impossible with God. Even if the deck is stacked against conservative, voting Christians, I will cast my vote AGAINST Obama to make my one vote, one person voice count regardless of who the eventual GOP nominee will be. Period.

[laney]

laney, if Ron Paul will run as an independent, he will draw a lot of votes off of Obama. Hopefully.

Yes, hopefully.

[laney]

I think Dr. Williams makes a good case for how ignorant most Americans are regarding their voting privileges and how flawed our political system really is, but...nothing is impossible with God. Even if the deck is stacked against conservative, voting Christians, I will cast my vote AGAINST Obama to make my one vote, one person voice count regardless of who the eventual GOP nominee will be. Period.

You and I both!

[Jericho]

laney, if Ron Paul will run as an independent, he will draw a lot of votes off of Obama. Hopefully.

Yes, hopefully.

Could he not draw alot of votes away from the Republican nominee too?

[daffodyllady]

laney, if Ron Paul will run as an independent, he will draw a lot of votes off of Obama. Hopefully.

Yes, hopefully.

Could he not draw alot of votes away from the Republican nominee too?

From what I gather, the bulk of Ron Paul's supporters are either "blue Republicans", (which means they used to be democrats, but they saw a chance to influence the Republican nominations in Paul) or else they are libertarians, who tended to call themselves moderates or undecideds in the past. Very few staunch republicans have supported Paul.

[good4u1]

Could he not draw alot of votes away from the Republican nominee too?

Very few staunch republicans have supported Paul.[/quote]

Exactly. If you are a true GOP voter, and you examine Paul's policy decisions...it is downright frightening what he believes and he only tells you the good part of smaller govt and returning to constitutional principles that are all well and good, but it is other polices that are down right bizarre and unacceptable to GOP voters. I would never vote for Paul in a million years!

I may not particularly care for Romney but...compared to Paul, he looks mainstream.

They are starting to drop now...Huntsman out today. After SC primary in a couple of weeks Perry will either stay or go and his candidacy will hinge on the SC outcome. The winnowing process is starting to take effect now.

[Sword of Geddon]

Hopefully someone will be able to beat Romney in the primaries(other than Paul). Perry, Santorum or Gingrich I would vote for easily. I don't trust Romney at all.

[good4u1]

Sword,

I pray your right...but IF Romney takes both SC and Florida it will be difficult to overtake him. Super Tuesday in early Feb. (that is when I vote) will leave probably only 1 or possibly 2 rival candidates left at most, imo. If those candidates don't make a strong challenge to Romney from Super Tuesdays results, it is pretty well over and Romney will be the de facto GOP Candidate for the General.

But Super Tuesday is an eternity in political terms right now and Perry is fighting for his political life, it is do or die for him in SC. We'll see.

[Sword of Geddon]

Lets say Perry wins overwhelmingly over everyone else in SC(like by lets say double digits), what will that mean for him?

[good4u1]

IF what you say is true, then he will gain the "momentum" into Florida...and will likely have a fresh infusion of financial resources to contend in Florida...and that $$$$$ will be sorely needed as Florida is a pricey State to mount a Presidential campaign. It is a very valuable State for a candidate to win as attested to in the 2000 General when it was fought over tooth and nail by Gore and Bush. Florida is a rich delegate State and many a campaign hopeful has fallen on the sword while campaigning in this State.

I have not see the polls lately in SC to see how the candidates are doing as I have been busy, so I am not sure of their current rankings.

[Sword of Geddon]

I did read Newt is way up in SC, neck and neck with Romney, who seems to be dropping in popularity there.

[good4u1]

Tho' both Santorum and Gingrich will likely stay in possibly even to the Convention, all prognosticators say in the end it will be the GOP Establishment candidate...Romney. It is what it is. If this turns out to be the case, I will in the General vote for another moderate Republican just like I did last time...but this time, whoever it is...I hope they unseat Obama.

Tonight will be the teller and Florida voters will start it...Florida, your up!

[Abiding in His Word]

Tonight will be the teller and Florida voters will start it...Florida, your up!

Yep! And CNN is reporting 630,000 votes right now. Keep in mind, tho, that Independents cannot vote in the primaries so their vote will count in the end. Hard to speculate what theirs will be.

[Sword of Geddon]

If Romney wins then the Republicans should expect another loss to Obama. George Soros recent comments aside, Romney had to be forced to fight in the debates. How does he expect to win against someone who will use every trick in the book, as well as some new ones, to ensure his victory?

Newt is the best choice for so many reasons. If the GOP loses again..I think they will go the way of the WiG party.

[daffodyllady]

All I can say is, I sure am tired of hearing the mudslinging!
All I can think is ... Newt started it.
And most of the anti-Romney stuff really doesn't make good capitalist sense.

I used to like Newt pretty good. But now... hey he is a very slick politician. He knows how to read a crowd, and how to say what will connect with that particular audience. He knows how to twist facts to seem to support his side (like the Bain saga) and this makes me really not trust him... How do we know who Newt really is???

He talked a lot in SC about his new spirituality, and being changed by becoming a Christian, etc. Yes. He was in the Bible belt. He knew that would resonate with them. Now that he is in Florida, he is proposing big NASA dreams.

How do we know who Newt really is? All we have are his words. And his words (especially the mud-slinging) make me distrust him.

[burien1]

His whole political career, makes me distrust him. Not to mention, I doubt very seriously, that he could get enough votes to beat Obama.

[mrgravyard49]

A Complete waste of time... We all Know Obama will get a 2ed term.. Im 55 and this is NOT the America I use to know..
When Reagan left office that was then end of America.. We need to worry about doing the Lords work and the heck with all this silly stuff..

[Sword of Geddon]

All I can say is, I sure am tired of hearing the mudslinging!
All I can think is ... Newt started it.
And most of the anti-Romney stuff really doesn't make good capitalist sense.

I used to like Newt pretty good. But now... hey he is a very slick politician. He knows how to read a crowd, and how to say what will connect with that particular audience. He knows how to twist facts to seem to support his side (like the Bain saga) and this makes me really not trust him... How do we know who Newt really is???

He talked a lot in SC about his new spirituality, and being changed by becoming a Christian, etc. Yes. He was in the Bible belt. He knew that would resonate with them. Now that he is in Florida, he is proposing big NASA dreams.

How do we know who Newt really is? All we have are his words. And his words (especially the mud-slinging) make me distrust him.

Newt did not start attacking Romney. If you remember Iowa a couple weeks ago, Romney's super-pac began airing attack ads with false information in order to destroy Newt. Newt asked Mitt to stop, Mitt refused. So Newt got angry and started attacking Romney's record. Then in the debates leading up to Florida Newt asked Romney for a truce, to stop the negativity, Mitt said he refused to stop airing negative adds, and Newt turned to Santorum, who was next to him in that debate, and said "I tried".

Newt is serious about his faith, but from the very beginning of the debates he has also talked about restoring America's space program, which is another victim of the Obama administration. If you go to Newt's website, you can see all of Newt's campaign platform. It has not changed at all since he began running. I'd know because I check it regularly.

Newt is a man with ambition and dreams for this country. He promises to fight the Anti-christian policies of the Obama adminstration and the left in general, even if that means removing judges from the bench. His motto is "work with me, not for me" meaning do in your own way whatever it takes to advance the ideals of his platform.

Newt makes me want to believe in what the old america represents, I'd be excited to vote for him.

Mitt Romney on the other hand has no dreams, no ambition, just assurances of undoing Obama. Will Mitt take this country back to space? Will we have a new industry(commercial space industry) under Newt? Can we trust Mitt with repealing Obamacare when Obamacare is based heavily on Romneycare? Do we really want a President who wins elections purely with money? Will Mitt defend Christians against secular and anti-christian bigotry? Will Mitt recognize Israel's sovereignty and place our embassy in Jereusalem?

Look at Mitt's florida victory. He got it purely by his vast campaign funds. He bought tons and tons of negative ads and carpet-bombed Newt. Is he running a campaign purely on his credentials? If Mitt thinks he can beat obama in that same manner(with money) he has another thing coming.

Look at who has backed Newt now: 1. Rick Perry, 2. Sarah Palin 3. Chuck Norris 4. Sheldon Adelson(conservative billionaire), 5. Herman Cain

A pretty solid conservative line-up backing Newt. Compare that to Mitt's endorsements:

1. John Mccain 2. Chris Christy 3. Nikki Haley

Only one of those three is a conservative(Nikki Haley).

[FreeInHim]

A Complete waste of time... We all Know Obama will get a 2ed term.. Im 55 and this is NOT the America I use to know..
When Reagan left office that was then end of America.. We need to worry about doing the Lords work and the heck with all this silly stuff..

Sadly, I must concur with you Mr. GY. As a nation they might as well butter us; we're toast.

[good4u1]

Today is Missouri's Primary...even tho' no convention delegates are allotted, it acts more like a straw poll...it still makes a strong statement of viability and both Missouri and Minnesota are trending strongly for Santorum according to the political polls. Hope they are right...I am a values voter in the primary season and always vote against the the Democratic incumbent in the General.

Hope the primary turns out the way I desire with Santorum in front...

[Sword of Geddon]

Honestly I think Gingrich and Mitt have damaged their images with their attacks on each other, which is unfortunate, I'm thinking Santorum is maybe the one to go with.

[burien1]

All they are really doing, is sending Obama's approval rating higher.

[good4u1]

It appears my desire has been realized...

Santorum has overwhelmingly came in first over Romney by a 25% margin, tho' turnout was pathetic...less than 10%...but nonetheless, I think it sends a msg that Santorum still has viability and I hope he continues at least thru Super Tuesday. We shall see...I did my part today to help.