The king of Persia

[Tevye]

...and the king of Arabia.

Iran and Saudis Acting Out Ancient Messiah Prophecy?
Jews familiar with the ancient Yalkut Shimoni notice recent tensions
between Iran, Saudi Arabia match prophecy regarding the Messiah.

Jews familiar with an ancient compilation of Aggadic exegesis called Yalkut Shimoni
noticed in recent weeks that current tension between Iran and Saudi Arabia
matches a prophecy it contains regarding the year in which
the Messiah – the King who redeems Israel and the world – is to appear.
israelnationalnews.com/News

While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly,
as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 1 Thessalonians chapter 5

'In the year in which the Messiah-King appears, all the nations of the world are provoking each other.
The King of Persia provokes an Arab king and the Arab king turns to Aram for advice.
And the King of Persia goes back and destroys the entire world. And all the nations of the world
are in panic and distress and they fall upon their faces and are seized with pains like those of a woman giving birth,...

[GodsStudent]

from what I can gather in a quick google search, "aram" is Syria.

[BeTheMoon]

Interesting. Thanks for posting it, Tevye.

[BeTheMoon]

from what I can gather in a quick google search, "aram" is Syria.

[brett]

What about the 2 witnesses that are to stand in Jerusalem and complete their ministry for 42 months?

[Hisown]

"Persia is currently known as Iran"

The raising up the spirit of the Medes and the destroying wind for the appointed time?

Isaiah - Chapter 47 ?

Obadiah - Chapter 1 ?

God's word never returns void amen and amen.

[Hisown]

"The prophecy bodes ill for much of the world, which, if Rabbi Yitzchak's quote is to be taken literally, is to be destroyed by Iran before the Messiah steps in."

[brett]

Just wanting to put the brakes on a little on this thread.

This is good for the Jews, who will be more prepared now to receive their true savior, Jesus, with expectant hearts.

But for us christians......this article seems to relate this Jewish prophecy to present day events, being this year or next year. So if the Jews take it to heart they would be expecting to see the Messiah this year or next???? But we Christians know that there are many things that still need to play out. As I pointed out - the 2 witnesses sent by God to minister to the Jews for 42 months in Jerusalem - that's in Revelations - the Bible - and is Gods word, revelation to John. So Persia will not be able to fulfill this Jewish prophecy at least for another 42 months, if not longer. Plus where is the AC? Guys I sense some of you are getting carried away with each new headline that comes out and forgetting what the bible has already told us. Jesus said Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies, that all nations would be drawn to Israel to do battle with her. All this stuff can't be happening now (this year or next) as the bibles prophecies do not seem to allow it. The 2 witnesses could not minister for 42 months if the entire world was already destroyed by Persia. Right?

While its amazing in that it relates very well to present day events........can Jesus be coming back this year or next? He can't be because the 2 witnesses have not yet delivered their 3.5 year ministry. I guess this Jewish prophecy must be still some years off yet - at least 4 years?

[mrgravyard49]

And Ezk: 38 and Isaiah 17 hasnt happened yet..

[OneDay]

But, could not all this be leading ( and very quickly) to the Ezek. 38 war? Which some believe may very well be the front bookend to the beginning of the GT?
Things do seem to be lining up very quickly...
from another sit:

Let's look at the events since 2007.

*Jan. 1st, 2007?Israel entered into a seven year confirmed treaty authored by Javier Solana. Whether this is the treaty of Daniel remains to be seen.

*2008?Economic meltdown begins with the fall of Leahman's Brothers, which would alter the world's economies.

*2008?New American President who is hostile toward Jews/Christians and very sympathetic to the new world order. Also, knows Javier Solana as a friend.

*2009?New health law enacted that will bring government to every part of America. May be struck down by US Supreme Court, but the groundwork is laid.

*2011?Arab Spring brings militant Islam to the borders of Israel like no other time in the last 30 years. Egypt, Libya, and Sudan subdued by the West.

*2011?Turkey surprises many analysts by aligning itself with Russia and Iran, and becomes very hostile toward Israel.

*2011?Syria on verge of collapse, and chemical weapon threat increases with Israel.

*2011?Peace process that has been the cornerstone since 1991 is dead.

*2011?The leaders of Italy and Greece have been removed without any war. Spain may be next.

*2011?The EU is now the most important entity in the world as the Euro becomes the future of world stability which surprises many, and the rest are in denial.

*2012--??? Many analysts predict the end of the economic world that has ruled the globe for a generation.

*2012--??? Iranian alliance with Russia and Turkey becomes more likely to attack Israel as Russia moves warships off of Syria.

V.7 “And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”
Could they appear perhaps just after the Gog-Magog war?

[T-Minus?]

In Ecclesiastes it states what has been will be again. It appears the spirit of the Medes is stirred to take Babylon (Iraq) again. They took it the first time without significant blood shed by going under the city gates and taking charge. When the US pulls out completely next month, the Medes/Persia will assume command of the area again. The government of Iraq is already receptive to welcoming them with open arms. The war between Iran and Iraq in the 80s failed because it wasn't Gods time yet. I also saw a headline a few weeks ago about Greece and Israel doing some cooperative things together. Greece was the next power after Persia to influence the region. Could we see a replay in some fashion? Time will tell. Maranatha!!

[OneDay]

Very good! Time will tell...
I found this very interesting:

In Revelation chapter 11 verses 1-13 we read about Two Witnesses who are scheduled by the Almighty God to testify for 42 months to earth's teeming millions about His Truth. Questions concerning them are numerous:

When do they appear on the world scene?
Who are the Two Witnesses?
What do they witness to and what is their message?

Answers to these questions, depending on which Christian group's literature you read, are varied to say the least; but I will not list them all. Instead I will begin by quoting the Bible passage which tells of the Two Witnesses and then, after a brief analysis, answer the three questions above.
Revelation 11: 1: And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2: But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3: And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4: These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5: And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6: These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
3. When Do The Two Witnesses Appear?
The answer to this first question is: The Two Witnesses make their appearance on the world scene during the 6th Trumpet (2nd Woe) which occurs towards the latter part of the Seventh Seal. In other words, the Seventh Seal is subdivided into seven stages and the 6th Trumpet is the 6th stage. See the The Seal & Trumpet Chart to get your bearings concerning the Seven Seals and the Seven Trumpets which all occur during the Seventh Seal.

The record concerning the 6th Trumpet begins at Rev.9:13 and continues all the way through to Rev.11:14. During this 6th Trumpet (also known as the 2nd Woe) ONE THIRD OF MANKIND are slain! (Rev.9:15-18). This great multitude, some 2,000,000,000 people, is about twice the population of China! Pause awhile and consider that staggering fact.

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5th Trumpet (1st WOE) (Rev.9:1-12)
During this Woe the following events will occur:

The Abyss will be opened and the Beast (the Man of Sin) will be released.
Leading an army of evil angels he will torture mankind for 5 months: that is, all except those who were sealed with Yahweh's Name (His character as expressed in His law) before the events under the Seventh Seal began.

6th Trumpet (2nd WOE) (Rev.9:13 - Rev.11:14)
During this Woe, which lasts 3.5 years, these events will occur:

One third of mankind will be slain.
The seven thunders sound. (Rev.10:3-6)
The Two Witnesses begin their 42 month testimony.
They have the power to cause a 3.5 year drought and to plague mankind at will.
After testifying for 3.5 years they are killed by the Beast who arose from the Abyss at the 1st Woe. After 3.5 days the Two Witnesses are raised to life, much to the astonishment and terror of earth's population.
Their resurrection marks the end of the 2nd Woe.

From the foregoing you will see that the Two Witnesses appear on the world scene at the 6th Trumpet (the 2nd Woe), which occurs towards the latter part of the Seventh Seal, when a third of the human race is perishing!

There seems to be some debate as to exactly when these two witnesses appear.

[Hisown]

Carried away hardly no!

Not to derail the thread into a " pre-wrath" debate as that is not my intention.

Does the 42 month trib start at the expelling of satan ? he still has access to the throne as the accuser today right.

Isaiah 14 mentions how once he is cast out ( no place in heaven found for him) that this " event" if I may call it that, causes the world to be as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof.

The abomination that causes desolation occurs when Israel is surrounded right.

The two witnesses come only on the scene at the appointed time right.

The AC receives his 42 month reign of terror only when it is given unto Him from the Lord God of Israel right.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast.

[brett]

My point is that the 2 witnesses have a 42 month ministry - that fact is clearly stated in the bible. The other fact we know is that the 2 witnesses come before Jesus Christ (the Messiah) returns. So just those 2 facts alone tell us that this article is drawing an incorrect correlation with events of today. This Jewish prophecy is worthy of more investigation and I would be inclined to believe it, but the author of the article has jumped the gun a little - that's my point.

We are seeing this kind of thing all over the place these days, dramatic headlines, exaggerated facts, rushed words. We need to root ourselves in the Word and not be tossed about by any wind of doctrine that comes our way, even if its Jewish based. The bible is the authority on prophecy and I just want people to remember that. Also remember that Jesus told us to see to it that we do not become alarmed, we are to walk through the coming storms and trials as calmly and steadily as we can. These kind of articles do not give me a sense of Gods order, stability or peace, instead I sense chaos, instability and the incitement of alarm. The God I know is "steady", "in control" and is not going to spring on us a last minute change to His plan. God will not alter course, nor contradict His own Word. The bible is Gods Word to us.

So I'm just adding this to my collection of interesting facts for now and getting back to finding out what the bible says. One other thing I just thought of is --- the Mark of the Beast --- that's still yet to come too and I don't see that coming in the next few months.

[Tevye]

Could they appear perhaps just after the Gog-Magog war?

Good question.

...just read this new article from today:

“We all hope and pray we never face that moment, but if we do,
the Israeli response would fashion a 'new Middle East.'
Israeli nuclear weapons would wipe out Iran, Hizbullah and Hamas, and possibly Syria and Lebanon,
where Hizbullah would attack from.” Israel will eventually have to deal with these terror groups anyway,
but cannot until a major event that would justify it takes place – such as an Iranian attack on Israel.

“We have to relate to such a scenario in Biblical terms,
as the modern-day equivalent of the final War of Gog and Magog,”
israelnationalnews.com/News

[OneDay]

Wow Tevye, just wow. I myself feel that a huge war is coming soon. Perhaps the Gog-magog war...
And, it makes sense to me that the two witnesses would appear after such a war...
Every thing will play out perfectly according to Scripture. I don't think that any of us would argue with that.
Most of the time it seems that we don't even realize what has taken place until after the fact...

[brett]

I think the Syria situation is the more significant at the moment. I know Putin (Russia) was very angry with the Nato strikes in Libya on Gadaffii and his eventual death. I also know that last week Putin (Russia) sent warships to Syrian waters to prevent Nato launching similar strikes on Syria like it did in Libya. I'm thinking the USA/Israel will likely strike Irans Nuclear facilities before the end of the year because Saudi Arabia and many other Arab nations are now lobbying the US to strike Iran before the Military pull out of Iraq, which will be complete by the end of this year. Any strike on Iran will just further anger Russia - who has defence agreements with Iran and Syria. So I'm thinking that YES we could be seeing some major wars play out this year and next year, and I'm thinking that it could end up being the Ezekiel War - the hook to pull down Russia may have already been lodged in Putins jaw, it could be the "Arab Spring" and subsequent move now to topple the Syrian government that's pulling Russia into position for the Ezekiel prophecy. Right now Nato (USA/Europe) is trying to defeat Bashar al-Assad (Syrian Leader) and their success in toppling other Arab leaders has caused Putin to send his warships. Striking Iran will drag Putin into this more, it will also draw in Iran more too and possibly other nations. Russia may end up sending a full army down to Syria to deter Nato/Western powers. While Putins forces are down there he may get that evil thought to plunder Israel - just as Ezekiel says - and then on the day of the attack the Russian/Iranian/others Army would be destroyed as the prophecy says. Time will tell.

I think Ezekiel (Gog of Magog) war could be coming. I've been watching the "Arab Spring" and seeing all the stirring up in the region the last 6 months and wondering - WHY? What's driving this? It seemed quite sudden and weird to watch leaders being toppled and wondering .....what's going on? It has been like something has swept over the region and stirred it up for some purpose. I remember wondering....is this good or bad? I think the "Arab Spring's" purpose in Gods plan could be preparations for the Ezekiel prophecy in the region. But as always - only time will tell.

[Sword of Geddon]

Isn't much of the world destroyed already because of the bowl, trumpet and scroll judgements by the time the mark of the beast and the Beast/Antichrist is in power?

[T-Minus?]

In a seemingly unrelated matter I see that dozens of western friendly spies have been busted in the ME and may well be executed(no doubt by beheading). Why now when we need our ears and eyes and why in such large numbers? Is there a pro-muslim mole in the CIA exposing these people? So many things have happened in the ME in favor of the muslims and against the Jews I can't help but put some credence in that old muslim prophecy about the tall dark leader who would assume the reins of power in the west and would be an aly of the muslims. Gee, who do you suppose that could be? Maranatha!!

[mrgravyard49]

Your Right T-minus, My 1st thought was "Obama" when I seen our spys were caught.
To me Obama seems to really not want to mess with Iran,, Hum,, Why??
When Israel hits Iran "ALONE" Obama will NOT sent troops to help Israel..

[OneDay]

wow... doesn't it seem like all these prophecy's, the muslim and jewish ones, make some sense when held up to the light of the true prophecy's in scripture.
They are off no doubt, but Satan has some knowledge of the end times and seeks to deceive...
Thank the Lord we have the Truth and know that these things will work out for God's plan...

[Exit40]

Obama is working with Turkey, purportedly against the PKK. But the reality is with Turkey as close an ally as he can get them to be they have their own self interest in the region of Iraqi Kurdistan, and in opposition to Iranian influence in Iraq in general, and almost fully supported by the US. Regarding Syria, the real bone of contention right now over Iran, Turkey is sided with close US allies Saudi Arabia and Jordan, and others in the Arab league who are supportive in the background, both of which are quietly backing off Israel to a certain extent. Turkey is also but not quite as quiet. So hard for them to pull their finger out of that pie. Iran is the boogeyman of the region, and the main obstacle of peace with Israel. If Syria can be broken the Iranian shia influence in the region diminishes greatly. If they can keep the bloodshed to a minimum, at least until the Parliamentary elections in March in Iran, the hope is for an Arab Spring type event there, with the opposition, or Green Movement winning and changing the structure of the regime, becoming moderate and manageable. Once proven so, sanctions come off and the ME economic juggernaut gets off the ground. I am praying for the former, gives us more time to develop our Faith before we get steamrolled.

God Bless

David

[Sword of Geddon]

Something tells me Ahmadinejab won't have to face elections.

[Tevye]

Breaking News

Tuesday, January 3, 2012

17:29 - U.S. says will continue to deploy warships in the Persian Gulf despite Iranian threats (Reuters)
link

[Resurrection Torchlight]

This so called "prophecy" is part of a book concerning the oral traditions of Israel, so must not be looked at as biblical in any sense. However it is interesting that the Jews or at least some of them are looking at events and also linking them to the arrival of the messiah. Keep in mind that they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah (yet), they are still looking for a political savior. IMO this messiah that they are waiting for could be the antichrist or possibly the false prophet? I truly believe that some middle east conflict involving Iran will appear to the Jews to fulfill the OT prophecies of Gog/Magog and that they (the Jews) will believe that it is the final conflict that ushers in the Kingdom of God with messiah ruling from Jerusalem. They will believe that the kingdom age has begun, when in reality it will be Daniel's 70th week that will begin. The final conflict will occur 7 years later (give or take).

Anyway I find it interesting reading this post, I just got done reading a post on another blog about a crop circle that apparently points to the two weeks of May 20, 2012 to June 6, 2012, as a possible time frame for the return of the mayan god Quetzalcoatl, AKA the messiah. This crop circle apparently is a mayan calendar of sorts and was deciphered by mayan scholars. Interestingly May 20 is Yom Yerushalayim in Israel the day when the reunification of Jerusalem is celebrated it is also the 43rd day of the omer count, with Shavuot or Pentecost occuring on the 27th. The New Agers also claim that their so called "christ maitreya" will emerge on what they call the "day of declaration" which will be a fulfillment of pentecost, in which a loud sound will occur and people around the globe will see him on the TV and hear his voice in their minds in their own language. Very interesting that all these so called "prohecies" are aligning in this year.

As for me- I take the wait and see approach, I do not lend any credence whatsoever to extra-biblical prophecies, only in that I believe that at some point they will appear to be fulfilled in order to accomplish God's plan. In other words Satan's agenda will line up with God's agenda.

We shall see- it is interesting- I'll give it that.

RT

[Tevye]

they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah

True. Many are in fact, so emotionally charged against Him. Even actively acting as Paul had prior to his experience directly with Christ on the road to Damascus. I recently saw a picture on the Jerusalem Post and I was drawn to think about the 144,000 Jews who will be sealed by God at the breaking of the 6th seal. Many today profess to be Jews, and even dress and act like 'Jews" may not be sealed at that time. Many will not survive the wrath of the Lamb that will follow during the events that will be after the 6th seal gathering up of their fellow brothers and sisters who do believe and have been faithful to Yeshua. Jewish believers who faithfully work so hard to reach them now. May messanic believers be blessed, and as the good book says: “...rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
...and may those who will be sealed after their gone to be with the Lord, be encouraged to press on faithfully as their eyes open to the reality that Yeshua is their one and only Messiah. Glory, honor, power and praise be to the King!

[Mrs. B]

The king of Persia......

I think Jesus gives us the Key.....
Matt. 24:15....When Ye Therefore shall see the Abominatiion of Desolation, SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL the prophet,
Stand in the Holy Place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

UNDERSTAND: NOTICE THE WORD UNDERSTAND....IN Daniel

16.....Then let them which be in Judea flee into the Mountains:
17...Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

21....FOR then shall be Great Tribulation....Such as was not since the beginning of the World to this time, no, nor ever shall be......
22...And except those days should be shortened, there should NO flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened......

When we see the AoD Spoken by Daniel the prophet stand in the Holy Place....( whoso readeth let him understand)
This is our sign to watch for......let him understand...
Spiritually Understanding.....

Daniel 8:16...And I heard a man's voice between the Baniks of Ulai, which called, and said...GABRIEL, Make This Man to understand the Vision....17..So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto Me...UNDERSTAND, O Son of man: for at the Time of the End shall be the Vision....

Notice....God spoke that Daniel Understand the Vision....and it applies to the end times.....And then Jesus says in Matt. 24 that we Understand......what was spoken by Daniel the Prophet.....(We the Believers, it is God's will that we understand)...And Jesus said...it would be a time like was not since the world begin)....It is God's will we the children of God Understand....

Mrs. B

[Mrs. B]

The King of Persia....

Daniel 9:13b.....yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and Understand thy Truth...
22.....And he informed me, and talked with me, and said O Daniel, I Am Now come forth to give thee Skill and Understanding...
23b...I Am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved; therefore Understand the Matter and consider the Vision...
Dan. 10:1b....and he understand to thing, and had Understanding of the vision...
11....And he said unto me, O Daniel a man Greatly beloved...Understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee Am I now sent, and when he had spoken this word unto me...I stood Trembling.
12...Then said he unto me, Fear Not, Daniel; for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart TO UNDERSTAND,
and to chasten thyself before Thy God, thy words were heard, and I AM come for thy words..13 But the Prince of the Kingdom of Persia whithstood me one and twenty days: (Perisa, Iran today)....but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia..14 Now I Am come to make Thee Understand, what shall be fall Thy People in the Latter Days: for yet the Vision is for Many Days...Daniel 11:33.....And some of them of Understanding shall fall...to try them, and to purge, and to make them White...Even to the Time of the End: because it is yet for a Time Appointed...Daniel 12:1...And at that time shall Michael stand up, the Great Prince which Standeth for the Children of My People: and there shall be a Time of Trouble..such as never was since there was a nation...even to that same time: (Jesus said a time since the world begin) 2..And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting comtempt...8 And I heard, but I Understood not: then said I, O My Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9...And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the Words are Closed up and Sealed Till the time of the End....10...Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; But the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall Understand, But the Wise shall Understand...

11...And from the Time that the Daily Sacrifice shall be Taken away, and THE ABOMINATION that Maketh Desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days...
12...Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days...
13..But go thou thy way till the end be:; for thou shalt Rest, and Stand in thy lot at the end of the days.....


Mrs. B

[Mrs. B]

The King of Persia.....

Matt. 24:13....But he that shall endure unto the end..the same shall be saved.
14...And this Gospel of the Kingdom...shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the End Come....
15...When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, Spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the Holy Place, (Whoso readeth, let him Understand:)

16...Then let them which be in Judea Flee into the Mountains..
17...Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18...Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19...And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20...But Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21..For then shall be Great Tribulatiobn, such as was not since the Beginning of the World to this time,NO Nor ever shall be...
22...And Except those days should be shortened, there should NO Flesh be saved: But for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened...

29...Immediately...after the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30...And then shall Appear the Sign of the Son of Man in Heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the Clouds of Heaven with Power and Great Glory...
31...And he shall send his angels with a Great Sound of a Trumpet, and they shall gather together His Elect from the Four Winds, from one end of Heaven to the other...
34...Verily I say unto you...THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled....

Mrs. B

[Mrs. B]

The King of Persia......


Our Prayer is that We Understand.....

Matt.24:15 When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet....
STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE....(Whose readeth, let him UNDERSTAND:)

It is God's will that we Understand the day in which we live.....let him Understand...

II Thess. 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
As the That Day The Day of Christ is at hand...

3...Let No Man Deceive you by any means:
for that day Shall Not Come, Except there come a Falling Away First, AND that man of Sin Be Revealed, the son of perdition;
4.....Who opposeth and exalteth himself above All that is Called God, or that is Worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God....

5....Remember ye not....that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?


Mrs. B



Mrs. B

[Tevye]

‘It May Be Too Late ... after the Summer’

Constant chatter about an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear site may end by summer.
israelnationalnews.com/News

[xdrifter]

Isn't much of the world destroyed already because of the bowl, trumpet and scroll judgements by the time the mark of the beast and the Beast/Antichrist is in power?

The Mark of the Beast is introduced in Revelation 14 right after a place called Babylon falls, it is after the Mark of the Beast is introduced that those who refuse it are killed; those who worship it continue their lives on Earth as subjects of the Beast. Only then we see Angels begin to pour on Earth "the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture."

Will any Saints still be on Earth during the Wrath of God? - in hiding some might avoid the death sentence that comes with refusing the Mark? The Bible says Satan is allowed to wage war on the Saints, and overcome them; which it would seem is by the good Grace of God; since the suffering and torment in the description of the initial onslaught of those who refuse the mark seems to be very mild in comparison to what the partakers in Gods Wrathe which follows are described as suffering. The Word does allude to the fact some Saints will survive, you can imagine as a hunted people.

See..

Revelations 14:11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours[/color]; and their works do follow them[/color].

Notice, the Bible describes Death as a blessing for them that die "henceforth" meaning, after the Wrathe of God has begun to be poured out. Why? Because they may rest


I imagine Babylons collapse as a complete collapse of North American civilization. I believe the major cities will be nuked (her destruction comes in one hour/ Devastating winds), and that following this either U.N troops, or perhaps Chinese from the North and Europeans from the East, will come and focus their military resources on securing areas rich in Natural Resources - on a humanitarian mission of coarse!

I imagine the collapse of Babylon as creating a scenerio in North America like you might have seen in the movie "the Road", or "the book of Eli"; just add to that the fact you will have Chinese and European Nations clamoring over each other to lay claim whatever Land they can.

Reminiscent of the settlement of early America, except we will be disadvantaged, and inferior Natives this time.

[OneDay]

I just got chills...
Wow, how well I can see this playing out.
Thanks xdrifter for your insight! I think?

[xdrifter]

My intention is not to fear monger... and I feel that may be all that I have accomplished. If God conicts you on these things which are being said, this letter may be a good way of summing up what I feel all of the believers should do about it.


I am leaving and won't be back for a while...I understand it can be a bit harsh sounding all of this.... Here is a letter I had written for a friend maybe others can benefit from, for the sake of time.


God Bless.

We have known these things, but now God is opening up the hearts of so many more to see the truth in them and this is evidence of how close we are to His comming.

Imagine, Jesus, experienced this very thing. Jesus knew he was about to suffer greatly, and feared just as we do. Jesus even said, Father if thou be willing, remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will but thine be done.


Can you imagine what he was feeling? I think you can! and are! this fear and anxiety we have is the same fear and anxiety Jesus felt the night before His crucifixion... This fear was because of His faith that Gods will would be done, and Jesus knowing Gods Will was that He suffered and died tormented His soul that night in that Garden, the desire to preserve ones life and avoid suffering is built into the core of our very human nature. It was through prayer for strength, and Gods deliverence of that strength by way of increasing the agony of Jesus that night in the Garden; God prepared Jesus so that he would not fall short seeing through what He was about to endure.

Do you remember what Jesus said to the Apostles that night about praying, so that they did not enter into temptation. What sort of temptation do you imagine He might have been talking about


Luke 22 40And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.

41And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

44And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

45And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

46And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

47And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.

48But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?


Remember what Jesus said to Peter before they had gone into the Garden,

Jesus was speaking to them regarding the things that He knew were about to happen. Peters response reflects that of most Christians in North America

33And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.

34And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

And when it came down to preserving His own life, Peter had denied Christ... So, here we see two very different types of Christian example....

Jesus in agony over fear of this great suffering He knows is about to befall Him,
and Peter, as bold and couragous as a Lion!

Jesus had anticipated and imagined the suffering He knew he must endure according to His understanding of the Scriptures, and because of His absolute Faith in God that these things would be done He had so much to fear. Did you notice, that after Jesus asks for Strength the Word says an Angel came from Heaven and strengthened Him! What happened next, being in agony He prayed more earnestly!

I hope you see the value in this.... Your fear is good, let that fear transelate into prayer for Strength! because as hard as it is to be strengthened by God, all of the suffering we do now, will make the suffering that is comming later seem as refreshing as seeing the finish line after a long race, knowing full well that because of Jesus Christ we qualify! and the prize is greater then anything this world could ever give us from it`s very beginning and all the way to the end. We will be victorious.

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Thanks xdrifter. I think the thing I ask God for the most these days is strength and courage to endure whatever comes our way. I have no doubt that it is our faith in the King of Kings that will be what separates us to the end. Most of us here have no idea what it means to be tortured for His sake. I know for myself, I have grown soft and that I will have no way of enduring persecution apart from His helping hand. Financial problems are staring me in the eye right now as work is very slow. I do have concerns about where our next mortgage payment is going to come from but on the other hand, I know that if I can't keep my home, He just wants me somewhere else. Is He just preparing us for the more difficult trials to come. I have always considered our home as a wonderful gift and we really love it here but "Your will be done" has to really mean something, and not just something we recite.

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Here is an encouragement...

Psalm 37

God Bless

David

[Hisown]

My intention is not to fear monger... and I feel that may be all that I have accomplished. If God conicts you on these things which are being said, this letter may be a good way of summing up what I feel all of the believers should do about it.


I am leaving and won't be back for a while...I understand it can be a bit harsh sounding all of this.... Here is a letter I had written for a friend maybe others can benefit from, for the sake of time.

xdrifter I need to say this publicly my friend and pray that if you don't ever read this on earth, that the Lord will remind you of this in the hallways of eternity.

In all the years I have known you, (never once seeing your face) you have been one of the most amazing blessings in my life as you bore the pain of what the Lord was showing us ( independently ) concerning the devastating blow and destroying wind that we would witness and the agony that accompanied that.

Thank-you for your most incredible steadfastness and uncompromising walk with the Lord and with that I honor you as Psalms 15 exhorts me too.

We are now witnessing the fruit of the years of labor and as you I ask myself daily , " Is this the “calling out ” cry ?

I humbly believe so yes

Jer 51:54 ¶ A sound of a cry [cometh] from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:

Jer 51:6 ¶ Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this [is] the time of the LORD’S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

Till the shores of eternity my friend......

[OneDay]

DITTO!!!

[Tevye]

Top Iran military official aiding Assad's crackdown on Syria opposition
Prominent Syrian lawmaker says the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's elite
Quds Force has recently arrived in the country to help manage Assad's regime brutal suppression
haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report

[Tevye]

US professors travel to Iran to discuss Occupy Wall Street movement
'Occupy' Tehran? Iranians Crave Info on Movement
The Occupy Wall Street movement may be losing its spotlight in the United States,
but it's gaining attention in Iran, where a handful of American professors recently
traveled to attend a conference focusing on the anti-capitalist protests.
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Two weeks earlier, Iran's PressTV posted a report from another Occupy Wall Street conference in Tehran,
during which American religious activists said the Occupy movement "will redesign the world order."
foxnews.com/world

"...until the rebellion occurs..."
2 Thessalonians 2