Herman Cain

by **Abiding in His Word** on Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:21 pm

....and here on abortion

On Sunday he outlined his position on abortion, though "outline" suggests a combination of elements, whereas Cain's points are one point: no abortion.

"I do not believe in abortion under any circumstances," he said on "Meet the Press." "Not for rape and incest." (He said rape and incest exceptions were unnecessary because the percentage of abortions in those situations was minuscule.)

by **Salty Skipper** on Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:46 pm

I like Mr. Cain more and more every day.

by **Abiding in His Word** on Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:55 pm

Republican Debate in Las Vegas this evening 8:00 p.m. (EST) on CNN.

by **daffodyllady** on Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:30 pm

Cain says that in his 9-9-9 plan, since the poor are already paying 15.3% FICA taxes, the 9% personal income tax and the 9% sales tax would be offset as the FICA tax is eliminated.

QUESTION: Since employers pay half of FICA taxes, employees only pay 7.65%. Will the poor not pay far more taxes under 9-9-9, than what Cain says they will?

by **Salty Skipper** on Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:30 pm

QUESTION: Since employers pay half of FICA taxes, employees only pay 7.65%. Will the poor not pay far more taxes under 9-9-9, than what Cain says they will?

9% National Sales Tax.
◦Unlike a state sales tax, which is an add-on tax that increases the price of goods and services, this is a replacement tax. It replaces taxes that are already embedded in selling prices. By replacing higher marginal rates in the production process with lower marginal rates, marginal production costs actually decline, which will lead to prices being the same or lower, not higher.

http://www.hermancain.com/999plan

by **SueAnn** on Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:37 pm

daffodyllady wrote:Cain says that in his 9-9-9 plan, since the poor are already paying 15.3% FICA taxes, the 9% personal income tax and the 9% sales tax would be offset as the FICA tax is eliminated.

QUESTION: Since employers pay half of FICA taxes, employees only pay 7.65%. Will the poor not pay far more taxes under 9-9-9, than what Cain says they will?

We must remember the interplay of the 9's. The corporate taxes will be lowered at every level of manufacturing. Costs of products will go down. Companies will have the option of lowering prices of finished goods. Those that do will get more sales. Those that do not will get less sales. It will create normal competition in the marketplace. The end result is the consumer will pay 9% sales tax for cheaper goods. Looking at the 9-9-9 plan it is very important to look at the entire picture. Not just one piece.

I am curious as to the layout of the "opportunity zone" part of the plan. It will be revealed in detail next week. Nervous about it as we have been "burnt" by preferential treatment of a special "zone" in our borough. We owned investment property on the "wrong" side of the zone line. Which was really located on the "right" side of the tracks. The special tax rates and zoning regulations only applied within the "zone"...the ghetto side of the borough.

That's why I am "nervous" about Cain's Opportunity zones. 5 will get you 10 that it will be for every area except ours. We are almost always on the short end of the stick.

Except for accessibility to Jesus, of course. With HIM we are in the right time at the right place. :grin:

by **water** on Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:28 am

How could he possibly lose now?

AMI Endorses Future President Herman Cain

http://www.americanmustacheinstitute.org/blog/2011/10/ami-endorses-future-president-herman-cain/

by **Salty Skipper** on Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:27 am

by **SueAnn** on Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:31 am

"Bad news...No tax loopholes for moustaches."

LOL I love it.

by **brandon** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:35 am

Sue Ann - you're already thinking correctly. Opportunity Zones mean neighborhoods that meet certain criteria, some of which you have described - The "wrong side" of the tracks, significantly poorer areas, etc.

by **Salty Skipper** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:59 am

The zones likely have more to do with union states vs right to work states.

by **drdos** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:28 am

still contemplating after his interview with Piers Morgan...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ele ... _blog.html

by **burien1** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:16 am

drdos wrote::humm: still contemplating after his interview with Piers Morgan...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ele ... _blog.html

His position sounds more like pro-choice, than pro-life. :humm:

by **Abiding in His Word** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:16 am

Gee, I watched that show and didn't come away with Cain having a pro-choice stand. He was, if I remember correctly, taking the position of individual rights vs. government involvement in every facet of our lives. I've even read that he accuses other candidates of not being "pro-life enought.

He did stand firm on other issues; i.e. homosexuality marriage, and specifically noted his beliefs are based on scripture.

by **daffodyllady** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:28 am

I think I know where he is coming from.

Just as Obama committed a crime when he ordered the Justice Dept to disregard the law concerning defense of marriage...

Even so, as president, Cain would not be acting wisely to tell people to disregard the law of Roe v Wade. He is 100% pro-life. But we need to overturn the law, not pull Obama tricks. I am sure that Cain would be in favor of overturning Roe v Wade, and getting rid of socialist activist judges that legislate from the bench.

by **daffodyllady** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:01 pm

From www.hermancain.com :

Cain's View on Abortion Policy

"Yesterday in an interview with Piers Morgan on CNN, I was asked questions about abortion policy and the role of the President.

I understood the thrust of the question to ask whether that I, as president, would simply "order" people to not seek an abortion.

My answer was focused on the role of the President. The President has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone. That was the point I was trying to convey.

As to my political policy view on abortion, I am 100% pro-life. End of story.

I will appoint judges who understand the original intent of the Constitution. Judges who are committed to rule of law know that the Constitution contains no right to take the life of unborn children.

I will oppose government funding of abortion. I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood. I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life."

by **GodsStudent** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:35 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:Gee, I watched that show and didn't come away with Cain having a pro-choice stand. He was, if I remember correctly, taking the position of individual rights vs. government involvement in every facet of our lives. I've even read that he accuses other candidates of not being "pro-life enought.

He did stand firm on other issues; i.e. homosexuality marriage, and specifically noted his beliefs are based on scripture.

I watched Herman Cain on Meet the Press say that even in the case of rape or incest, he did not agree with abortion.

Here's an interview on Cain and I believe he gets into the abortion issue in this interview, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhgi-Ja3HbM

by **Sword of Geddon** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:23 pm

I continue to believe Herman Cain is the best choice by far out of all the republican candidates, not to say though that there are not only good people running. I just believe he is the best of the best running.

I really hope Romney drops out by some miracle of chance.

by **good4u1** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:38 pm

Romney dropping out of any presidential cycle is as likely as Ron Paul doing the same...zlich. I prefer Cain too, but likely GOP voters are gonna have to get very familiar with Cain...and Cain may be to "Christian" for a lot of them. No doubt Cain could get the Evangelical block of the GOP, but it is not the majority of them. There is the establishment and the moderates...a lot to over come before the primaries begin and soon! But with God, all things are possible...

by **daffodyllady** on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:38 pm

New polls out today;

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics ... ld-lagging

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... traw-poll/

In Iowa: Cain 37% and Romney 27% of GOP caucus-goers.

Straw poll in Nevada after debate: Cain rates highest.

by **SueAnn** on Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:53 am

daffodyllady wrote:New polls out today;

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics ... ld-lagging

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... traw-poll/

In Iowa: Cain 37% and Romney 27% of GOP caucus-goers.

Straw poll in Nevada after debate: Cain rates highest.

Yes!!

Keep on truckin', Herman!!

by **Salty Skipper** on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:16 am

I think the man stands a chance. :grin:

(sorry, I like him. Can't help it.)

by **Sword of Geddon** on Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:29 pm

Hopefully his popularity in the polls and with the tea party will translate into state primary victories in afew short months...

What do you think would happen if Cain won New Hampshire?

by **daffodyllady** on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:09 pm

The liberal media would go bananas looking for dirt on him.

It would be the Clarence Thomas debacle all over again.

by **water** on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:39 pm

The media will have a tough time with him. He is the American dream...he did not come from money, he came from hard work. A proud, conservative, black American who was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and doesn't need a teleprompter to tell you what he thinks. A candidate who actually has convictions that don't drift with the changing tide.

by **good4u1** on Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:20 am

Sword of Geddon wrote:Hopefully his popularity in the polls and with the tea party will translate into state primary victories in afew short months...

What do you think would happen if Cain won New Hampshire?

That is a real, real long shot, Sword. If Cain won NH? I think the MSM would accuse the Cain camp of voter fraud, that's what I think.

by **brandon** on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:54 pm

I'm in NH. There is no Cain campaign here to speak of. Romney has signs by the hundreds. Santorum signs are here and there. Not a single Cain sign to be found. Notta one.

Romney will likely take NH.

Cain will take Iowa, South Carolina, and Nevada.

by **daffodyllady** on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:47 pm

Heads up:

The liberal media will bring up something in Herman Cain's past called "Aquila."

Here are a few links to the liberal, anti-Cain storyline.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05 ... wsuit-2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/2 ... 65795.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/0 ... d-an-Enron

And here is a link to the unbiased :grin:

truth.
http://storify.com/karl173/the-truth-be ... erman-cain

by **daffodyllady** on Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:07 pm

Cain spoke yesterday at the National Press Club. This video contains the entire speech, including the Q&A session afterward. At the end, he shares his faith, and sings "Amazing Grace Shall Always Be My Song of Praise." Good voice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BESLnrSq9I0

by **mrgravyard49** on Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:42 am

You Know I am worried,,, he has flipped flopped over this issue that was to have happened in the 90's.
My take on Anything like this is, If I didnt do it== GIVE ME A LIE DETECTOR TEST!!
I think there is more to this.. Sad.. Looking like Obama gets a 2ed term.. :cry:

by **burien1** on Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:56 am

mrgravyard49 wrote:You Know I am worried,,, he has flipped flopped over this issue that was to have happened in the 90's.
My take on Anything like this is, If I didnt do it== GIVE ME A LIE DETECTOR TEST!!
I think there is more to this.. Sad.. Looking like Obama gets a 2ed term..

I'm surprised Gloria Allred hasn't come out representing the accusers, yet.

But I am very bothered by Cain always coming out to "clarify" what he meant to say.

A lot can happen in a year.

by **AndCanItBe** on Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:07 am

What the liberals in the media are trying to do now with the sexual harassment allegations is exactly what they did to Clarence Thomas. Maybe my attitude is wrong, but what bothers me most about the whole thing at the moment is that Mr. Cain seems to have been caught off-guard and spoke before he recalled all the details. There is no way, with this in his past and the track record with Clarence Thomas, that he should not have seen this coming miles and miles off and been totally prepared for the moment it came up. I can't understand why he wouldn't be, it really bothers me. I wondered myself a month ago if the media would find something like this and try it. If I can think of it.... :disappointed:

by **Sword of Geddon** on Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:03 pm

Yeah the entire slander the news media is flinging at Cain right now really gets me angry. I'm guessing he has alot on his plate running his campaign and preparing to ramp things up for the upcoming primaries, and that was why he addressed the slander later than many would have liked.

In any case though, I still support Cain, now more than before actually, because I resent the lamestream media and their utter lack of common decency, and I for one am not going to allow them to decide what candidate I'll vote for.

by **drdos** on Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:48 pm

burien1 wrote: But I am very bothered by Cain always coming out to "clarify" what he meant to say.

A lot can happen in a year.

Same Here.

by **mrgravyard49** on Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:33 pm

I support the man, but in truth.. Its Over.. He is done..
No one else can beat Obama.. SOOo 4 more Years.. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where is a 7 year trib when you need one.. Im ready to go home..

by **laney** on Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:29 pm

We might just get a third party for once! :grin:

by **brandon** on Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:20 am

Honestly, his campaign has done a HORRIBLE job fielding this issue. If he gets elected, it will be in spite of, and not because of, his campaign manager.

Private sector leaders deal with these type of issues at some point their career. Many times it's a "he said, she said," and then there's a choice: give them money to go away, or have your aspirations ruined by having your name dragged through the courts. Non-disclosure keeps them from coming back for more later.

That's not to say that there are never times when sexual harassment HAS occurred, and that's why these laws exist. Both innocent and guilty men have settled with their accusers because they'd rather pay the lawyer to settle then risk the damage of public scrutiny.

What his campaign needs to do is put the message out that "allegations are allegations" and just move on.

FYI: If he still wins Iowa and South Carolina, he will have the momentum to win the rest of the South and Mid-west

by **daffyladysson** on Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:23 am

On Tuesday Herman had his fundraising day ever and the largest amount of likes in a 3 day period have occurred after the allegations!
https://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain

by **drdos** on Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:40 am

Sorry to say this but the writing is on the wall. Herman Cain is done. This was the guy I would have voted for, but weather it was little to no wrong done on his part His campaign staff, and enemies outside his camp have tarnished him beyond repair IMO. I pray he did not participate in harassing woman. If he is guilty of this it should come to light, and I pray that the HS would convict him and restore him, but if he is blameless I pray he is vindicated.

by **Sword of Geddon** on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:52 am

daffyladysson wrote:On Tuesday Herman had his fundraising day ever and the largest amount of likes in a 3 day period have occurred after the allegations!
https://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain

I'm sure many of his supporters(like myself) view the allegations as an attempt to destroy his candidacy, and because of that don't be surprised to see those same supporters become even more behind Cain than before. Maybe his campaign could have handled the allegations better, but in the end how does that matter to Cain's message and what he stands for? The man still is the best person in the Republican field by far, there are many people who want him out, but unlike in 2008 there are many who won't let the media choose the nominee, not on our watch.

by **water** on Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:18 pm

Don't give up. Let's see how things turn out.

by **Salty Skipper** on Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:47 am

burien1 wrote:
mrgravyard49 wrote:You Know I am worried,,, he has flipped flopped over this issue that was to have happened in the 90's.
My take on Anything like this is, If I didnt do it== GIVE ME A LIE DETECTOR TEST!!
I think there is more to this.. Sad.. Looking like Obama gets a 2ed term..

I'm surprised Gloria Allred hasn't come out representing the accusers, yet.

But I am very bothered by Cain always coming out to "clarify" what he meant to say.

A lot can happen in a year.

lolol Burien you called it! Yahoo says gloria had a new accuser. This is as predictable as shakespear.

by **daffyladysson** on Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:18 pm

That latest woman to come out looks like a woman I would not want to be associated with! She is 50-60 years old and is trying to look like my 25 year old cousin! Almost has it accomplished! (I did not realize that my post was censored earlier.)

by **burien1** on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:05 pm

Remember when Palin was picked to be the Republican VP nominee ? The other side sent hoards of investigators to Alaska to see what they could dig up. So how could Cain have not prepared better for this ? It doesn't make any sense. He can't have been in the business world and have been that naive.

If a republican candidate even slightly mis-speaks, it is reported on ad nauseum, while Sylandra, and the 'fast and furious' scandals are just about completely ignored. Obama's policies are ignored.

The left wing media is the democrats free advertising campaign. And it will never stop until people rise up and boycott the networks that are doing it. And especially NBC. The others are not much better, but they do the most serious brainwashing. So how many conservatives are willing to stand up for what is right, and hurt them in their pocketbooks ? Read a good book instead. Or The good book.

by **SueAnn** on Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:27 pm

Here's a question for the ladies here...

Hubby and I just saw the woman read her accusation to the cameras. Hubby brought to my attention one thing that really bothers him...in fact it destroyed any credibility she might have had. I was proud of him for being intuitive enough to pick up on it, even though he is a man.

A paraphrase from this woman's readings...

She told Cain, "This is not what I am here for."
He responded, "Do you want the job?"
She said, "Stop." He stopped.
She said," Drive me back to my hotel." He drove her back.

Hubby says, if, during a business meeting, a man reached inside your clothing and touched your genitals, unexpectedly and uninvited, what would you do? Get the heck out of the car? Or stay in the car and tell him to drive you to your hotel room?

I had to deal with a lot of harassment during my career in a field where there were almost no women. I can assure you, at a moment like that the "fight or flight" adrenaline kicks in. I would have been out of that car in a flash, and running.

Ladies, your thoughts?

by **daffodyllady** on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:32 pm

SueAnn, this woman has no credibility in my opinion. So much of her story makes no sense. She ought to be taken aside and cross-questioned, and given a lie-detector test. Herman is innocent in my book, until proven guilty in a court of law.

by **drdos** on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:01 am

daffodyllady wrote:SueAnn, this woman has no credibility in my opinion. So much of her story makes no sense. She ought to be taken aside and cross-questioned, and given a lie-detector test. Herman is innocent in my book, until proven guilty in a court of law.

No credibility is right. She was very friendly towards him just a month ago.

http://www.suntimes.com/8592168-417/sne ... h-ago.html

by **AndCanItBe** on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:00 am

Apparently she didn't just attend a rally, she declared herself as a Republican in the 2008 primaries.

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/ ... d-speaker/

curioser and curioser

by **drdos** on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:17 pm

#5....... They are coming out of the wall work now.

by **AndCanItBe** on Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:50 pm

Of course there are many who see this as political and don't believe the charges for a minute, but the liberals seem so shocked by the number of people that don't really care, even if the charges are true. Frankly, I find that funny. They did such a good job convincing so many that Bill Clinton's and other Democrats' indiscretions didn't affect their ability to govern, and those were proven. I guess they only expected Democrats to take that to heart. Don't get me wrong, I personally think it matters, I'm just so amused that they didn't see that coming and have already shot themselves in the foot even if they can make it stick.