When

[mrgravyard49]

Will the Rapture Happen on a Holiday? Or Will it happen a month, 6 months, or a Year before the 7 year Trib?
And forgive me, I forget Isnt the A/C to come out of retirement and take over?

[plalgum]

Feel your pain! But, name me a country that has been extinct for 2000 years, that has burst back to life and has a very blessed economy?Bless Israel and it will bless you!

[lookup]

When? I think the rapture should happen at ANY minute BUT most of my life, I have come to believe it will happen within the Gog-Magog invasion. Either right before or during when once again God's Spirit fall on the nation Israel. Antichrist doesn't come on the scene until that which hinders him is taken out of the way. The age of grace will be finished and from that moment on God will be dealing directly and intently focus on the nation Israel, she needs a wooping and she will get it during the tribulation.

We all have our moments of heavy fear and faith testing and disobedience but without faith it is impossible to please Him, and He is working that faith through the ALL THINGS. For he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. and having read some of your post recently I just want to say you are not alone with these feelings nor are you or have you been given more than you can handle. I have been waiting for the rapture since 1968. Many times we thought this was it or that was it. It wasn't but we did not fall back.

The most important thing is to continue in the Spirit, His Spirit that is. Continue to buy up that Holy Ghost oil that is purchased by soaking in His word. REMEMBER THAT ALL TEN WERE VIRGINS (CHRISTIANS) but only five went in. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. It's alright to fear but don't let your fear take control of your moral reasoning. Thou shall not steal. That doesn't become of non effect if there is a famine. I would rather starve to death than break that commandment. You can go a long time before you starve to death but God has already seen to that day too. I have been young, and now am old; Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken, Nor his descendants begging bread. Psalms 37:25

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Jeremiah 29:11. God said to His people, “You’ll be in Babylon for seventy years, but know that the thoughts I think of you are of peace, to bring you to a glorious end. I’m doing something special in you.” And indeed He was. When the Jews went into Babylon, they were idolatrous people. When they came out, never again did they worship idols. They were purged. They were healed. They were matured in those difficult days of the Babylonian captivity.

This verse speaks to us that even in the times things look bad, when the Babylonians are carrying you away, the Lord is using it for something glorious.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

I know that today at this moment- I just really am weary of the fight, though I know I must keep on keeping on, more days than not, I just want to be in my eternal home. Today is one of those days- soon is a relative term- Jesus said almost 2000 years ago He was coming "soon" - the question still remains- how soon Lord?

[mrgravyard49]

Oh RT.. Over the last month I have felt like this too.. Im getting better but some things bring me back down..
We just need to Focus on good stuff, for me its sports video games, music or Football... I try and stay focused on the Lord but then I think of Heaven and start thinking "How Much Longer Lord???"
So between looking for work, music, and sports games I stay up..
So Focus on something You Enjoy!! Oh Like Getting Obama out of the Whitehouse and changing congress so America and get Right!

[mrgravyard49]

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-t ... ture-date/
............Hum,, the 18th is tuesday and the LAST Day of Tabernacles... ya never know

[Douggg]

We all have our moments of heavy fear and faith testing and disobedience but without faith it is impossible to please Him, and He is working that faith through the ALL THINGS. For he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. and having read some of your post recently I just want to say you are not alone with these feelings nor are you or have you been given more than you can handle. I have been waiting for the rapture since 1968. Many times we thought this was it or that was it. It wasn't but we did not fall back.

I find that inspiring and could not agree more. since 1968...

Doug L.

[Douggg]

Oh RT.. Over the last month I have felt like this too.. Im getting better but some things bring me back down..
We just need to Focus on good stuff, for me its sports video games, music or Football... I try and stay focused on the Lord but then I think of Heaven and start thinking "How Much Longer Lord???"
So between looking for work, music, and sports games I stay up..
So Focus on something You Enjoy!! Oh Like Getting Obama out of the Whitehouse and changing congress so America and get Right!

Snap out of it! I am telling you right now, you better be watching Europe. They are about ready to implode. They have so much debt, they don't know what do because there is not enough money among themselves to solve the problem.

It is sovreign debt, not consumer or individual debt, meaning the countries in the form of Bonds have borrowed from the banks to pay for their operation. Greece for one is on the verge of not being able to pay the banks back. 30% of the EU banks' loaned out money is to the EU countries' sovereign debt.

The problem is that the banks, if Greece starts the potato rolling down hill, it is going to snowball, as the banks made loans to each other's countries. The big countries like France and Germany don't have the money to bail out Italy and Spain. And soon Germany's own biggest bank will need a bailout. Where's all the bailout money going to come from? The EU doesn't have it. The EU leaders have meetings after meetings - they are talking it to death - kicking the can down the road, postphoning the inevitable - Greek default. They are just trying to keep it limited to Greece - but the banks of the other EU countries are holding so much Greek debt that they will be in trouble big time. Belgium or Netherlands, I forget which, their biggest bank had to be bailed out earlier this week - and it was supposed to be one of EU's solid banks. Oh, brother.

The little horn is about to come on the scene. There has been serious talk about whether Greece should stay in the EU or not. The little horn removes three kings. I don't know which three, but three of those EU leaders are going to be sacked by someone who is going to be given the authority. The pot is simmering about to be boiling. And when it gets to boiling real good, the water is going to spill over onto the stove. That's when the little horn is going to show.

Jesus is about to come for us. Don't get despondent now. Keep your eyes on him. Because the signs are ripe. Let us not forget how long a race we have already run . Look back on your life at all the things God has done for you. We are near the finishing line. I will be praying for all of us. I hope you will be too.

If anyone here is going through such a rough time that it takes away from interest in bible prophecy or just getting up in the morning - that's because we are in a war. I know from experience. Even after 30 years of being a Christian, I got into one of life's situation where I became so depressed, I became suicidal. I didn't even want to pick up and read a bible. It can happen. Looking back, God pulled me out of it, with some stern-ness in who He is along the way. Satan wants to sift us like wheat. Jesus prayed for Peter against that happening. We are the ones who have the big sword. We are the ones who need to do some slashing and cutting. Satan is not not greater than He who is in us. The Holy Spirit is in us. And it is the Holy Spirit who leads us in praying, even if we don't have a clue. Our sword is prayer to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

So if anyone needs prayer for V I C T O RY over something causing stress in your life - and even though we feel at the bottom - we should all pick up our weaponry and fight the enemy by praying to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I need prayer. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of you don't need prayer as well. Jesus is about healing our broken spirit.



Doug L.

[Douggg]

Feel your pain! But, name me a country that has been extinct for 2000 years, that has burst back to life and has a very blessed economy?Bless Israel and it will bless you!

Not only that, have you heard of an old old story How a Savior came from Glory - 2000 years ago and today in these in end times lives inside of you! Our Lord Jesus came 2000 years ago, and here we are right now believers in the same Jesus, a testimony to the power of God.
V I C T O R Y IN KING JESUS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU3qSrpC4jo&feature=related

Listen to the song, and keep the timing with the congregation.

[mrgravyard49]

Snap out of it! I am telling you right now, you better be watching Europe. They are about ready to implode. They have so much debt, they don't know what do because there is not enough money among themselves to solve the problem.

It is sovreign debt, not consumer or individual debt, meaning the countries in the form of Bonds have borrowed from the banks to pay for their operation. Greece for one is on the verge of not being able to pay the banks back. 30% of the EU banks' loaned out money is to the EU countries' sovereign debt.

The problem is that the banks, if Greece starts the potato rolling down hill, it is going to snowball, as the banks made loans to each other's countries. The big countries like France and Germany don't have the money to bail out Italy and Spain. And soon Germany's own biggest bank will need a bailout. Where's all the bailout money going to come from? The EU doesn't have it. The EU leaders have meetings after meetings - they are talking it to death - kicking the can down the road, postphoning the inevitable - Greek default. They are just trying to keep it limited to Greece - but the banks of the other EU countries are holding so much Greek debt that they will be in trouble big time. Belgium or Netherlands, I forget which, their biggest bank had to be bailed out earlier this week - and it was supposed to be one of EU's solid banks. Oh, brother.

The little horn is about to come on the scene. There has been serious talk about whether Greece should stay in the EU or not. The little horn removes three kings. I don't know which three, but three of those EU leaders are going to be sacked by someone who is going to be given the authority. The pot is simmering about to be boiling. And when it gets to boiling real good, the water is going to spill over onto the stove. That's when the little horn is going to show.

Jesus is about to come for us. Don't get despondent now. Keep your eyes on him. Because the signs are ripe. Let us not forget how long a race we have already run . Look back on your life at all the things God has done for you. We are near the finishing line. I will be praying for all of us. I hope you will be too.

If anyone here is going through such a rough time that it takes away from interest in bible prophecy or just getting up in the morning - that's because we are in a war. I know from experience. Even after 30 years of being a Christian, I got into one of life's situation where I became so depressed, I became suicidal. I didn't even want to pick up and read a bible. It can happen. Looking back, God pulled me out of it, with some stern-ness in who He is along the way. Satan wants to sift us like wheat. Jesus prayed for Peter against that happening. We are the ones who have the big sword. We are the ones who need to do some slashing and cutting. Satan is not not greater than He who is in us. The Holy Spirit is in us. And it is the Holy Spirit who leads us in praying, even if we don't have a clue. Our sword is prayer to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

So if anyone needs prayer for V I C T O RY over something causing stress in your life - and even though we feel at the bottom - we should all pick up our weaponry and fight the enemy by praying to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I need prayer. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of you don't need prayer as well. Jesus is about healing our broken spirit.



Doug L.
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Its all Interesting Doug, but Remember September??? All these things were to Happen.. "Nothing Happened"
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I now take a side view of those things.. I now live life and when I hear the Trumpet,, THEN I,ll know..
Life is short,, Enjoy it while Your Alive.. Life is what You choose to make it and Instead of gloom and doom , my goal is to get back to enjoying life..

[Douggg]

Its all Interesting Doug, but Remember September??? All these things were to Happen.. "Nothing Happened"
...................
I now take a side view of those things.. I now live life and when I hear the Trumpet,, THEN I,ll know..
Life is short,, Enjoy it while Your Alive.. Life is what You choose to make it and Instead of gloom and doom , my goal is to get back to enjoying life..

I remember yesterday, and yesterday's gone. Being able to enjoy life is being able to look for the Lord Jesus without be so depressed from being able to do so. I've been there. My prayer is that everyone here be relieved from being under so much stress, that they are stressed out. Perhaps to you that is what you mean to get back to enjoying life. I don't watch local TV news because it is so depressing. That's why I watch the world view.

I was watching bloomberg TV and one guest said that he thought the EU leaders would kick the can down the road until spring and that is when they absolutely have to take major actions. This weekend they are meeting and the G20 is supposed to meet soon. The little horn, imo, with a real probability will come to power as EU leader sometime within the next ten months; but he can show flashes at anytime in the debt crisis.

Keep in mind that the little horn rises out of ten kings. The WEU became the Ten this summer. He has to be in power for a little while before Gog/Magog takes place; at which time, he waxes strong to the south and east, and arrives in Israel to be embraced as their King Messiah. Look at what is going on in the muslim countries over there in the middle east. The Antichrist false King Messiah is not just going to pop-up one day and confirm the covenant with many for seven years out of nowhere.

The inaction of the Europeans is fatiguing in the financial world, even here in the US, everyone out. And Europeans are in a big time bind. The American political landscape is dismal as well for other reasons. But our debt situation is not so rosey either. The nations are confused. The conditions are ripe.

Doug L.

[HighBeams]

Its all Interesting Doug, but Remember September??? All these things were to Happen.. "Nothing Happened"
...................
I now take a side view of those things.. I now live life and when I hear the Trumpet,, THEN I,ll know..
Life is short,, Enjoy it while Your Alive.. Life is what You choose to make it and Instead of gloom and doom , my goal is to get back to enjoying life..

MGY, I've been reading your posts and praying for you because I understand your disappointment and despair. I was also disappointed that the Rapture did not occur during the Feast of Trumpets. But I am not brought down by this because I realize that I don't have full knowledge of God's plans. Only God has that. I make note of all the different views of the end times--pre-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib. I acknowledge the understandings of all three views and am hopeful of the timing. But I do not lock onto any one of the views because I just don't know. All I know with any confidence--and I have unshakable confidence in this--is that the Rapture will happen in God's perfect timing because He promised that it would. You said, "Remember September??? All these things were to Happen.. "Nothing Happened" I would like to gently remind you that none of the events that we were looking for in September were ever stated anywhere as happening at that specific time. I agree that the timing seemed to be right. I acknowledge that the timing is definitely short. All of these things will be coming to pass quickly. But, dear brother, "All these things were to Happen..." is not correct because they did not happen. That's okay, though. God has it all under control, and He holds His children safely in the palm of His almighty hand. "Nothing Happened" yesterday, but tomorrow is coming. It will happen, brother. Just keep looking up, because Jesus is coming soon!

I'm glad you're getting back to enjoying life again and that things seem to be looking better for you. Keep doing the work that God has set before you--at home, in a possible job, in your community. He is looking for servants who serve faithfully in His household, even when they do not know exactly when He is returning home, because they know that He will return home in His time.

[mrgravyard49]

Doug,
not only is local news depressing but world news also and it makes our minds work overtime and then we stress out over what we Think is going to happen according to the Bible.. LoL I used to see things and go "Oh Look at that, That means Isaiah 17 or Ezk:38 is going to happen" Stuff like that.. Infact right now I am looking sideways at The end of Tabernacles which is Wednesday, for maybe a rapture.. Of couse its not going to happen, but its fun to hope it will.
Dont get caught up in world events, ONLY when the rapture or Ez:38 or the A/C pops up Then You can know its true..
...
HighBeams, Your right about no one set a time of things to happen, I just did it to myself,,again Watching the news, going online , and just Thinking tooo much.. I set myself up..
But its ok, Got myself on the right track now... My focus is 1st getting a job, (SHould know Monday)
then getting ready for the New Year.. I dont like the holidays anymore, when You dont have money to buy Your Wife of 30 years something nice its depressing,, so I look to January and 2012 where a Year from now we kick out congress and Obama and start Fresh! So We all need to focus on a New Year & making a change in our government and then off to 2013 and a Great New Life for America!

[Douggg]

Doug,
My focus is 1st getting a job, (SHould know Monday)then getting ready for the New Year.. I dont like the holidays anymore, when You dont have money to buy Your Wife of 30 years something nice its depressing,, so I look to January and 2012 where a Year from now we kick out congress and Obama and start Fresh! So We all need to focus on a New Year & making a change in our government and then off to 2013 and a Great New Life for America!

I understand, truly I do. I will pray for that job (just prayed). The Lord may want a better one for you. I am totally on your side. That's the kind of real stress, the rest of us need to pray to the Lord Our God the Lord Jesus Christ for each other about, until the stress is off.

Doug

[Loop]

mrgraveyard, your wife of 30 years, if she's anything like me, would just love for you to write a little letter, it means so much more if you get something from the heart, rather then from the store..... but thats just me....

[mrgravyard49]

Thanks all,,
Now back on topic... In Jewish years isnt this year 5860 or something like that?
If true then we are way off right? that would mean we have about 200 years to go for 6000?

[Douggg]

Thanks all,,
Now back on topic... In Jewish years isnt this year 5860 or something like that?
If true then we are way off right? that would mean we have about 200 years to go for 6000?

Hi MGY, I had a big argument going with the Jews over at Messiahtruth.com about six years ago - concerning Daniel 9, Cyrus, Artaxeres, etc. etc. I vaguely remember them admitting that their year count was off something like a 140, 170, 200 years off - something like that. That's not much help. But it is a start.

Right now for you we got to pray to get some of that stress off. I remember back when things weren't going so good for me.
What i did was take baby steps, to see that I was actually accomplishing something. When I woke up, still in bed, I said to myself that was an accomplishment. Then as I sat up that was another accomplishment. As I headed to the bathroom that was another accomplishment. As I brushed my teeth that was another accomplishment. I put my clothes on that was another accomplishment. Then my shoes, another accomplishment. Before long, I had a ton of accomplishments. If I would go and put something in the mail or check the mailbox, that was another accomplishment. Those things helped me. What was the big action that I took that really got me out of my dispair was that I called my parents and told them I was really down and needed help. That was probably what God wanted me to do to start with. When a person gets to where I was, they can't help themselves out of it. They need help. Of course, I was alone. You got your wife there with you as your support group. Plus all of us here can pray for you. So if it is a help, not everything is on your shoulders that you are alone.

Sincerely,

Doug L.

[Keeping Alert]

Thanks all,,
Now back on topic... In Jewish years isnt this year 5860 or something like that?
If true then we are way off right? that would mean we have about 200 years to go for 6000?

Haha... you are too eager... it is apparently 5772...

Nah, the 1 day to 1000 year theory is just a theory and even if the theory holds true, it is a generalization... God is not forced to keep it true to the very date or year.

Look at the big picture... Israel is here... it can't be far... if it is any consolation to you, I believe it won't be more than 4 years away... hey, I can count that on one hand!

[mrgravyard49]

I was reading all these posts again.. And wondering "again" When? I believe we are on the doorstep of Isaiah 17, Psalm 83. Was also thinking, in order for Ezk 38 to happen, all the walls of Israel have to come down. That will take some time.. Months? I think, We may see Isaiah17/Psalm83 VERY VERY!! Soon and then a rebuilding of the ME and Israel until Spring.. I just Pray We go home Soon.. Im sooo ready, I had work for a few months, Moved back to Kissimee fl from Sarasota to find work and after almost 3 months -nothing. But its up to the Lord..
Anyhow I still say this stuff starts before November... Let just Pray we are gone before it happens..

[burien1]

for you, Mrgravyard49.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

I was reading all these posts again.. And wondering "again" When? I believe we are on the doorstep of Isaiah 17, Psalm 83. Was also thinking, in order for Ezk 38 to happen, all the walls of Israel have to come down. That will take some time.. Months? I think, We may see Isaiah17/Psalm83 VERY VERY!! Soon and then a rebuilding of the ME and Israel until Spring.. I just Pray We go home Soon.. Im sooo ready, I had work for a few months, Moved back to Kissimee fl from Sarasota to find work and after almost 3 months -nothing. But its up to the Lord..
Anyhow I still say this stuff starts before November... Let just Pray we are gone before it happens..

I ask the Lord everyday- "how long Lord, when will you come?". I am so ready to meet Jesus face to face, however I also understand that with each day that goes by more souls are being saved and added to the body of Christ. There is an appointed time, of that I have no doubt, I do believe it could be soon, Jesus said He was coming "soon" (a relative term I guess) so I try to remind myself that there is reason to rejoice as we wait, more souls are being saved and I hope that in some way I can assist the Lord in that venture for souls. Though in all honesty, it seems that there are very few who are at all interested in discussing spiritual matters, at least in my world. Seems even Christians aren't interested, yes I am ready to go home, whenever that day comes.

I also think that there might be some world changing events sometime this fall, whether that includes the rapture who can say for sure, I certainly hope so. But I think that the financial crisis will widen and that war in the middle east is not far off. I guess we will all just have to wait and see, and remain alert and ready.

RT

[Jericho]

When? I wonder this myself. I have to believe we are close for many reasons. So many end-time prophecies are dependent on Israel being re-established which happened in 1948. If the fig tree is Israel and if that generation will not pass away until all those things take place then that puts us around 2018-2028. A Generation being 70-80 years according to Psalm 90:10. I don't know if it will happen then but we rapidly moving toward tribulation events. The economic situation is only getting worse and it will ultimately lead to the Anti-Christ coming to power just as it did for Hitler. The weather is getting crazier, the drought is further going to push up food prices and we are moving toward famine that Revelation 6:8 talks about. Globalization is moving us toward global government. There is social unrest, the middle-east in in turmoil, evil is getting bolder, Christianity is under attack from all sides. There are too many birth pangs to ignore. At this point I'm ready for Jesus to return and set things right again. I'm tired of evil triumphing, I'm tired of sickness and suffering, I'm tired of the toil, I'm tired of living in a cursed and fallen world. Marantha!

[Mrs. B]

When....


When??? two things have to happen....this is Paul writing to the Thessaloniana...they thought Jesus would come at any time....So Paul writes to them.......warning that two things have to happen before Jesus comes...
2 Thess. 2:3.....Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come.....EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of Perdition.....4, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is woshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5, Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things????
6....And NOW Ye Know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time...

Jesus cannot come back until the A/c is revealed....Jesus comes back and destroyes the devil with the word of His mouth( or spoken word) and the devil is bound for a 1000 years......and we will rule and reign with Jesus on this earth for the thousand years.....then the devil will be loosed from prison.....and Jesus will destroy him by the word of His mouth......

9, Even him (the devil the a/c) whose coming after the working of Satan with all power and signs and Lying wonders,
10, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish: because They Received Not the Love of the Truth, that they might be saved....
11, And for this cause God shall Send them Strong Delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12, That they all might be ****** who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.....

8...And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His Mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His Coming: 9 Even him, the devil the a/c whose coming after the working of Satan with all power and sign and lying wonders....and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness.....

Now....Jesus tells a Parable....The Ten virigns....ten wise, ten foolish
Jesus says, and the Bride Groom Tarried.....and the virgions slept......then the sound came that the Bride Groom cometh.
they arose....five entered in and five were left....five were wise and five were foolish....
They expected Jesus to come...but he TARRIED.....THIS IS IMPIRTANT....I belive this is NOW
so many expected Jesus to come a few years ago.....but he did not....HE TARRIED
So I am warning you.....do not give up....do not stop looking nor go to sleep because he will come at a time un expected.
Watch and be Ready.....Again I say....WATCH
be a wise virgin....be Ready.

The Raptue....is the First Ressurrection.....
I Thess. 4:13....But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep(those that are dead in Christ)that ye sorrow not, even as other which have no hope..14..For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him..15..For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall NOT PREVENT THEM WHICH ARE ASLEEP.
15....For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord,...that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall Not prevent them which are asleep......(we ae not going first....we shall not prevent them which are asleep)
16....For the Lord himself shall decend from heaven with a Shout, with the Voice of the Archangel, and with the TRUMP of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17....THEN WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the Air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord....
I Corin. 15:52...In a Moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP For the Trumper shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 50...Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption in herit incorruption....5l, Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In amoment, in the twinkling of an eye, at The Last Trump
The Rapture is the First Ressurrection.......there is not an escape.....only the First Ressurrection at the sound of the Last Trump.....58...Therefore, My Beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounginnnnnnng in the Work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labout is not in vain in the Lord.....

Watch and be Ready....Jesus is Coming at the Last Trump and we will be caught up to meet Him in the Air.....
two things have to happen before Jesus Return....the A/c has to be revealed and a Falling Away from the Truth of the Gospel....Jesus warned aboaut false doctrine and false teachers and false leaders....deceving and being deceived...
Be a Truth Seeker.....amen
Love
Mrs. B

[burien1]

When....


When??? two things have to happen....this is Paul writing to the Thessaloniana...they thought Jesus would come at any time....So Paul writes to them.......warning that two things have to happen before Jesus comes...
2 Thess. 2:3.....Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come.....EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of Perdition.....4, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is woshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5, Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things????
6....And NOW Ye Know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time...

Jesus cannot come back until the A/c is revealed....Jesus comes back and destroyes the devil with the word of His mouth( or spoken word) and the devil is bound for a 1000 years......and we will rule and reign with Jesus on this earth for the thousand years.....then the devil will be loosed from prison.....and Jesus will destroy him by the word of His mouth......

9, Even him (the devil the a/c) whose coming after the working of Satan with all power and signs and Lying wonders,
10, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish: because They Received Not the Love of the Truth, that they might be saved....
11, And for this cause God shall Send them Strong Delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12, That they all might be ****** who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.....

8...And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His Mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His Coming: 9 Even him, the devil the a/c whose coming after the working of Satan with all power and sign and lying wonders....and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness.....

Now....Jesus tells a Parable....The Ten virigns....ten wise, ten foolish
Jesus says, and the Bride Groom Tarried.....and the virgions slept......then the sound came that the Bride Groom cometh.
they arose....five entered in and five were left....five were wise and five were foolish....
They expected Jesus to come...but he TARRIED.....THIS IS IMPIRTANT....I belive this is NOW
so many expected Jesus to come a few years ago.....but he did not....HE TARRIED
So I am warning you.....do not give up....do not stop looking nor go to sleep because he will come at a time un expected.
Watch and be Ready.....Again I say....WATCH
be a wise virgin....be Ready.

The Raptue....is the First Ressurrection.....
I Thess. 4:13....But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep(those that are dead in Christ)that ye sorrow not, even as other which have no hope..14..For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him..15..For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall NOT PREVENT THEM WHICH ARE ASLEEP.
15....For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord,...that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall Not prevent them which are asleep......(we ae not going first....we shall not prevent them which are asleep)
16....For the Lord himself shall decend from heaven with a Shout, with the Voice of the Archangel, and with the TRUMP of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17....THEN WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the Air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord....
I Corin. 15:52...In a Moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP For the Trumper shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 50...Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption in herit incorruption....5l, Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In amoment, in the twinkling of an eye, at The Last Trump
The Rapture is the First Ressurrection.......there is not an escape.....only the First Ressurrection at the sound of the Last Trump.....58...Therefore, My Beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounginnnnnnng in the Work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labout is not in vain in the Lord.....

Watch and be Ready....Jesus is Coming at the Last Trump and we will be caught up to meet Him in the Air.....
two things have to happen before Jesus Return....the A/c has to be revealed and a Falling Away from the Truth of the Gospel....Jesus warned aboaut false doctrine and false teachers and false leaders....deceving and being deceived...
Be a Truth Seeker.....amen
Love
Mrs. B

Mrs. B, This is the pretrib section. It is not open for debate. You are not allowed to post your opposing view here. If you want to post your view, there are other rapture sections where your view can't be debated.

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Luk 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Luk 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Luk 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
Luk 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Luk 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.