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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Abiding in His Word on Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:44 am

"This long shot may not be a long shot any longer," Cain said. "One of the questions I always get--"Why are you running for president? To be president!...I'm not running to go to Disneyland!"

Cain, the only African American candidate in the GOP field, touched on the highlights of his usual stump speech: His so-called 9-9-9 economic plan to reform the tax code; his opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage, and his own story of moving from poverty in the segregated South to success in corporate boardrooms.


"My foreign policy philosophy is an extension of the Reagan philosophy," Cain said, referring to the late President Ronald Reagan. "Reagan's philosophy was peace through strength. The Cain philosophy is peach through strength and clarity. We must clarify who our friends are, clarify who are enemies are and stop giving money to our enemies."


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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Jericho on Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:47 am

Cain is becoming the "new" Palin.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:24 am

Except Cain has a lot more substance than Palin does. Palin is more of a politician than Cain is. Cain knows numbers, and he has shown he knows how to turn a failing venture around.

Granted, the left sees Cain just like they did Palin. Like raw meat, through a carnivore's eyes. But I think Cain is a little different type of quarry. He's more like a big bear.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby mrgravyard49 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:04 pm

I just Love the Man.
Real Change!! Not Hot Air...
Let's see its Cain vs Texas Windbag Perry vs Mormon Romney... The rest of the field should give it up..

Hum,, " President Cain" I Love the sound of that!
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:25 pm

Hey, here is a link to watch his speech from yesterday's "Values Voters Summit."

http://freedomslighthouse.net/2011/10/0 ... deo-10711/

Good stuff. :grin:
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:29 am

Thankyou for the link Daffodyllady.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Abiding in His Word on Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:57 pm

Cain: Effort to 'Intimidate Me' Will Not Succeed

Presidential candidate Herman Cain struck back at black leaders who criticized him as callous toward the poor and ignorant of history, saying he will not allow people who "don't want black people to think for themselves" to try and "intimidate" him into keeping silent.

The businessman and Republican presidential candidate, in an interview on Fox News, vigorously defended himself against critics unhappy with his recent comments on race and the Occupy Wall Street protesters. Singer Harry Belafonte called Cain a "bad apple." Princeton University professor Cornel West said Cain's remarks reflect a "coldness toward poor people."


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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:02 pm

Cain won't back down or apologize for his statements and views. That shows integrity. It also shows he has the ability to lead.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby jgilberAZ on Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:40 pm

There's a lot about Cain I like. But, there are also things he says that concern me, greatly in fact.

For instance, in tonight's debate, he was asked who he thought was a good example of fed chairman, and he selected Alan Greenspan. Good grief. Greenspan is the author and proponent of "bubble blowing" in the economy. It was his policies which were the seed from which the current crises were born. Of course, Bernanke has continued those policies and added his own. But, neither one of them would be an example of a good fed chairman, IMHO.

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Re: Herman Cain

Postby water on Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:30 pm

jgilberAZ wrote:There's a lot about Cain I like. But, there are also things he says that concern me, greatly in fact.

For instance, in tonight's debate, he was asked who he thought was a good example of fed chairman, and he selected Alan Greenspan. Good grief. Greenspan is the author and proponent of "bubble blowing" in the economy. It was his policies which were the seed from which the current crises were born. Of course, Bernanke has continued those policies and added his own. But, neither one of them would be an example of a good fed chairman, IMHO.

I think I'll probably end up going Constitution Party again this election.


I am pretty sure it was the legislators that forced banks to loan money to sub-prime borrowers which created the problems. The Fed just tried to print their way out of them.

Is there a right answer to that question?
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Salty Skipper on Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:34 pm

I like Herman Cain. A lot. :grin:
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby jgilberAZ on Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:07 pm

http://mises.org/daily/1985

Written in 2005 ...

Greenspan's policy of inflating bubbles to counter the negative effects of the bursting of previous ones is like someone who remains on a sinking ship because he doesn't like to swim. We can see here how the policy of inflating bubble after bubble to avoid the recessionary implications of previous bubbles has resulted in ever greater imbalances, with the savings rate falling ever lower after each bubble and the debt burden growing ever greater.

Some may believe that Greenspan, who is not alone in deciding monetary policy, has been overruled by the other members of the Federal Reserve board — that perhaps he has been pushing for sounder policies, but to no avail. But Greenspan has in fact been highly active in pushing the rest of the board into the various bail-out operations, and it was reportedly Greenspan, together with a certain Ben Bernanke, who claimed that the old economic laws have been repealed and that the Fed can and should "accommodate" the tech stock bubble. Greenspan has thus been responsible for today's economic mess.


Moreover, instead of admitting how he was responsible for the tech stock bubble through the creation of moral hazard and suppression of interest rates, he blamed the bubble on "irrational exuberance." And instead of admitting his role in creating the housing bubble, he denied that there was such a bubble. Later, when he admitted that the housing bubble was real, he spoke out against it as if he had nothing to do with having created it in the first place.


2005!

I wish we had 2005's economic mess today. But, we don't. What we have is a much larger mess, and fewer resources available to do anything about it. In fact, we're toast. It's just a matter of time. And, Greenspan is a big factor in this.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby mrgravyard49 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:36 pm

I am thinking Cain is America's LAST chance to turn around.. But somehow I think we will screw it up.. :dunno:
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:39 am

I guess I am having second thoughts about Cain. There are many things I like about him. His remark about Alan Greenspan doesn't worry me, because he knows a lot more about the Fed and finance than I do, and Cain did say it is important to give the Fed only one job to do, and that is to stabilize the money supply. It is possible that just as Cain said, Alan Greenspan was given the job to try to hit two things with one arrow, and therefore hit neither. I do know that I remember back in the 1990's, Rush used to go off on big shpeils about how Clinton was laying the groundwork for a huge housing finance crisis that would come to fruition long after Clinton left office. I really think we ought not to blame the Fed for policies they did not create.

What does concern me about Herman Cain, is that he is so sure that if he is elected, his simple 9-9-9 plan will pass, and that it will for sure turn the economy around. I ran my own numbers, and it will hurt my finances terribly. At below 14K per yr, I pay less than 6% in FICA. Under Cain, it would immediately increase to 9%. The EIC would disappear, and on top of that, all groceries would suddenly cost me 9% more. I'm already pinching pennies so hard Lincoln hollers. How in the world could those on minimum wage survive? I have heard Cain talk about the subject, and his answer is, "get another job." Single mothers of small children?? I don't think this is a good thing here...

Yes, there are very good things about Cain. He knows numbers. He has very good business sense. But he is no economist, and he came up with this plan without first consulting one. It makes him look naive. ... And he doesn't know how to work with people that oppose his ideas. He's used to being able to fire those working for him that don't obey orders. Congress doesn't work like that.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby AndCanItBe on Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:44 am

This is what concerns me also, he thinks like an establishment republican on how the US's finances should work. I really think at the moment that this is his biggest flaw that we know of, and it's one to be concerned about.

Alan Greenspan is better than Ben Bernanke I guess, but Alan Greenspan is neck deep in the Council on Foreign Relations. Alan Greenspan doesn't believe in letting capitalism work, he believes in "too big to fail". Alan Greenspan has no problem with encouraging Americans to spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow, borrow to keep the economy going. Either Herman Cain is ill-informed when it comes to him, or he isn't as pro-capitalism as he sounds. On the other hand, Greenspan was appointed by Reagan, and I don't think President Reagan's conservative credentials are in doubt.

He sounds good, but for me the jury's still out on Herman Cain. It's so early, so much could happen in the next year. I'm not ready to lock in to anyone yet, although I have definitely ruled a few out.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby mrgravyard49 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:33 am

Well Good Points, but lets compare him to the others.... He is by far the better ...
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Abiding in His Word on Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:48 am

all groceries would suddenly cost me 9% more.


Daffodyllady, I don't think food items are taxed, are they? I thought it was just non-perishables like paper products, etc.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:18 am

Cain wants to completely trash the federal tax code and replace it with his plan.

I don't think food is taxed unless its fast food or at a restaurant, which falls under a state luxury tax. Again this depends on where you live.

BTW, don't vote for a third party, you will be throwing your vote away to someone who could never win. If you don't like either canaudate(Obama and whoever the Republican nominee is) just remember that if Obama wins the country is finished.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:24 am

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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Abiding in His Word on Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:21 pm

daffodyllady wrote:yep. It would tax groceries. And new clothing.


:eek: Yikes...I wasn't aware of that. Thanks daffy.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby AndCanItBe on Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:02 pm

That might be rough on us too, but I do like the idea that illegal immigrants would be paying taxes too.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby laney on Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:16 pm

daffy:

I'm already pinching pennies so hard Lincoln hollers.



:lol: I never heard that before. :grin:
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby laney on Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:18 pm

I don't know enough about Cain to comment but a 999 plan? :eek: Kind of spooks me.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby mrgravyard49 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:44 pm

Well He is now the leader..
calm down about 999, let him explain it more. No matter to me he still is the best one running.. WHO Better? Hum?
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:24 pm

Know what? Even if it hurts my bottom line financially, I would rather have Cain than any other current GOP candidate.

Reason: I want my country to reward personal incentive, labor, and savings. I want my country to stop encouraging dependence on government handouts. I want to see America stop taking from one class to give to another. Even if I am one of the poor, I want to feel I can keep what I earn, when I earn it. I want to be able to choose how much I pay in taxes, at least a little. After all, I can buy used clothing and plant a garden. I can buy a used gun and shoot a deer for food. I have a small flock of chickens, and I have learned how to grow their food. (Though I haven't done it yet.)

You know what? Cain's plan won't hurt that bad. I prefer a sales tax instead of the direction MOST politicians in this country have been taking us for the past century.

new poll out:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main ... nally.html
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:25 pm

Bachmann basicly killed her campaign with her foolish statement on last night's debate. 9-9-9 upside down, well the devil is in the details!

So foolish...
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:30 pm

laney wrote:I don't know enough about Cain to comment but a 999 plan? :eek: Kind of spooks me.


laney, laney... don't be a chicken little.
Do you get spooked when something goes on sale for $9.99? I sure hope not. Let's be rational.

Cain has extensive business experience. as such, he has knowledge of advertising and sales, at least somewhat. He knows that 9-9-9 is catchy, and will get attention. He needs attention right now, and this gets it.

Moreover, it will probably work to get the economy rolling again. I was a teenager in the seventies, and I remember the Carter days of malaise. They are just like these Obama days. Cain is truly Reagan-esque in many areas. We could hit the next decade just like Reagan brought the US economy back with a bang during the eighties.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby water on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:31 pm

Here is what I think about Cain's tax plan...it is simple...it will simplify the tax world. I wish I could tell you how much my company has spent in the past 12 years implementing tax regulation after tax regulation. In fact, that is what I have worked on for most of this year...including hundreds of my coworkers. I really have no idea how much we have spent, but just knowing how much a typical project costs and how many we have implemented over the years, I would not be shocked at all if we are talking hundreds of millions of dollars...just to deal with ever changing tax regulations.

And what do we get for it? More national debt, more corrupt spending, and more companies taking their business off shore to avoid the ridiculously high US taxes (read that as trying to stay in business because foreign competition would own this country if there was no off shore option).

I truly believe the only viable option is a simple tax code with no exemptions. If there is one exception, others will try to get on that boat.

Simple taxes means more jobs, better paying jobs, more money being spent all around.

I don't know if the 999 plan will go in without modification, but I think it is a great starting point, and that starting point is the best tax news I have heard from any real candidate...ever.

But the economy is a surface issue for me. It is important, but my trust is not in my paycheck or our nation's economy. I trust God.

The real reason to vote for Cain is because he is a man of God. He vows to protect Israel as if it were our nation. I have not heard every word Cain has spoken, but the words I have heard confirm to me he is a genuine man of God and will treat the office of the President as an extension of what he believes God would have him do.

Don't let the worldly things sway you. Don't let fear of man or fear of money direct your vote.

We have a chance here to seriously change the direction of our nation. When was the last time Americans had this opportunity? Ever? Maybe with the founders...and some after...but not this century...not with anyone that had a real chance.

I know in my heart the only person that can beat Obama is a person of true character, conviction, honor, and courage. Who else is there like that is on the national stage right now with popular support? I liked West, but he has fallen out, at least for now. I would have still picked Cain over West though.

Pray about it. God will show you who to vote for (assuming we have any good choices by the time the election actually gets here).
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Abiding in His Word on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:31 pm

I thought it was out of place as well, Sword.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby laney on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:56 pm

Sword of Geddon wrote:Bachmann basicly killed her campaign with her foolish statement on last night's debate. 9-9-9 upside down, well the devil is in the details!

So foolish...



I didn't hear the remark but thats what the numbers look like to me.

Like I said, I am to the point of not voting so I really figure this one has to be left up to God. I have not done any home work on the canadates or what they stand for. I really don't think it will matter.


Oh yea, I think we are very close to goint into the MOB so the numbers 999 are not a set of good looking numbers to me. Now where did the hat go??? You know thats made like a dunce hat only wrapped in foil?


:sofa: :tinhat:


Let me add, while wearing my little cap, that a 999 could become a 666 after a pole shift. :mrgreen:
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby SueAnn on Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:08 pm

AndCanItBe wrote:This is what concerns me also, he thinks like an establishment republican on how the US's finances should work. I really think at the moment that this is his biggest flaw that we know of, and it's one to be concerned about.

Alan Greenspan is better than Ben Bernanke I guess, but Alan Greenspan is neck deep in the Council on Foreign Relations. Alan Greenspan doesn't believe in letting capitalism work, he believes in "too big to fail". Alan Greenspan has no problem with encouraging Americans to spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow, borrow to keep the economy going. Either Herman Cain is ill-informed when it comes to him, or he isn't as pro-capitalism as he sounds. On the other hand, Greenspan was appointed by Reagan, and I don't think President Reagan's conservative credentials are in doubt.

He sounds good, but for me the jury's still out on Herman Cain. It's so early, so much could happen in the next year. I'm not ready to lock in to anyone yet, although I have definitely ruled a few out.


Did you remember to deduct what you are currently paying on Federal Income Tax? First deduct that, THEN do your 9% calculations on NEW items only. Buying second hand, or "used" items will not be taxed at all.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby SueAnn on Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:10 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:
all groceries would suddenly cost me 9% more.


Daffodyllady, I don't think food items are taxed, are they? I thought it was just non-perishables like paper products, etc.


I was a cashier in a food store. Food is not taxed. You can tell what is taxed and what is not by looking for the tax symbol on your itemized food receipt. Check it out.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby brandon on Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:56 pm

I think that the Federal Reserve is not the root of the problem with our economic bubbles. I agree that the problem is usually legislative in nature, and that the Federal Reserve are the ones called upon to try and fix the problem.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby jgilberAZ on Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:51 pm

Sword of Geddon wrote:BTW, don't vote for a third party, you will be throwing your vote away ...


And, how does that differ from what most have done the last umpteen elections?

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Since "conservative" Republicans have taken over the House of Representatives 11 years ago, the expansion of government has continued at every level. Nothing has been done to stop the holocaust of abortion. Gay marriage under the guise of "civil unions" is becoming a norm in our society. Our government continues in its Wilsonian tradition of globe-trotting and nation-building with the precious blood of American soldiers fertilizing the subjected nations, making them "safe for democracy."

Nothing has been done to deter the invasion of over 10 million illegal immigrants across our southern border. Taxation as a percentage of income is at record levels. Federal and state government debts are at record levels. The middle class of the American citizenry have the boot of the government planted squarely on their necks and continue to shoulder much of the monetary burden that keeps our corrupt governments breathing.

Conservative voters, I ask you again...How is your voting strategy working out? Have the "lesser" of evils advanced your agenda?
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby water on Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:18 pm

Cain Leapfrogs Romney to Vault to Lead in Poll

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/cain-vaults-to-lead-in-poll/

Drawn by Cain's blunt, folksy style in recent debates, 27 percent of Republican primary voters picked him as their first choice for the nomination, a jump of 22 percentage points from six weeks ago.
Romney held firm in second place at 23 percent, his same share as in a Journal poll in late August, while Perry plummeted to 16 percent, from 38 percent in August.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffyladysson on Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:12 pm

SueAnn wrote:
Abiding in His Word wrote:
all groceries would suddenly cost me 9% more.


Daffodyllady, I don't think food items are taxed, are they? I thought it was just non-perishables like paper products, etc.


I was a cashier in a food store. Food is not taxed. You can tell what is taxed and what is not by looking for the tax symbol on your itemized food receipt. Check it out.


just to clarify. Food is not taxed on the federal level. It is taxed on the state level. At least it is here in Virginia.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby SueAnn on Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:27 pm

daffyladysson wrote:
Food is not taxed on the federal level. It is taxed on the state level. At least it is here in Virginia.


Son of Daffy, yikes! That's awful. Time for you to move up here to Pennsylvania. :grin:
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:56 am

From what I have been able to find, Cain does not want to stay at 9-9-9. He has introduced this to help push the US to the Fair Tax, which completely eliminates the income tax, concentrates completely instead on sales tax, and does not tax the first 10K per person. I sure hope this happens.

http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/PrebateExplained2011.pdf
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:42 am

jgilberAZ wrote:
Sword of Geddon wrote:BTW, don't vote for a third party, you will be throwing your vote away ...


And, how does that differ from what most have done the last umpteen elections?

Don’t Waste Your Vote
Ever since I became involved in the third party movement, I’ve had to deal with the standard excuse for continuing to vote for someone who supports ideas and values with which the voter disagrees. The tired bromide goes something like this. “I really like your platform and what you stand for but I feel like I’d just be wasting my vote if I voted for you.” My comeback is: “How long do you think it will take to get the kind of government you believe in, so long as you keep voting for people who won’t support your views?”


Evaluation of Thirty Years of Voting Republican
An evaluation of thirty years of voting Republican had me realizing that every single vote without exception had been betrayed. While I believed in much of the Republican platform, the Republicans who were elected only used it to get my vote and then they put it back on the shelf until the next election. They don’t live or operate by their own platfom.

I realized that the Republicans and the Democrats are really pushing the same agenda of collectivist government and less freedom Many of the Roe vs. Wade type decisions in the courts were decided with majorities of Republican appointed judges.


The Definition of Insanity
So they voted for a man who offered what they didn’t want, so they wouldn’t get a man who offered what they didn’t want..

Huh?


How is Your Voting Strategy Working Out?
Since "conservative" Republicans have taken over the House of Representatives 11 years ago, the expansion of government has continued at every level. Nothing has been done to stop the holocaust of abortion. Gay marriage under the guise of "civil unions" is becoming a norm in our society. Our government continues in its Wilsonian tradition of globe-trotting and nation-building with the precious blood of American soldiers fertilizing the subjected nations, making them "safe for democracy."

Nothing has been done to deter the invasion of over 10 million illegal immigrants across our southern border. Taxation as a percentage of income is at record levels. Federal and state government debts are at record levels. The middle class of the American citizenry have the boot of the government planted squarely on their necks and continue to shoulder much of the monetary burden that keeps our corrupt governments breathing.

Conservative voters, I ask you again...How is your voting strategy working out? Have the "lesser" of evils advanced your agenda?


Remember the last few times a third party was a factor in elections? Ross Perot and his "Reform" party split the conservative vote, the effect of which was eight years of Clinton. Later, Ralph Nader and his "green" party stole some of the votes away from Al Gore in the 2000 Presidentual race.

Especially with this coming election. Why do you think the Tea Party is working with the Republican party in order to unseat Obama? Its because they know that if they were to try to run a candidate as a third party the likely result would be a second term for Obama.

Our country has a two-party system, rather than a parliamentary system like England or Canada. The best chance you have to get someone you like as a nominee is to vote in a primary. Third parties will never win a Presidential election for a number of reasons.

If you want Obama to have another term..vote for the constitution party, I guarantee whoever their nominee is will not even make it into the Presidential debates, just like all the other third parties.

I'd say the best person in the race is Herman Cain. He is a strong supporter of Israel, a Christian, has executive and economic experience, and he isn't a politician.

Its really silly some of you are dismissing him just because 9-9-9 is 6-6-6 upside down, as Bachmann said in the debate. That kind of attitude is why some people look at Christians like they are nuts, seeing a demon or the anti-christ under every rock. If you think that way, please reconsider.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:04 pm

Sword of Geddon wrote:...Its really silly some of you are dismissing him just because 9-9-9 is 6-6-6 upside down, as Bachmann said in the debate. That kind of attitude is why some people look at Christians like they are nuts, seeing a demon or the anti-christ under every rock. If you think that way, please reconsider.

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(Can we get a "thumbs up" emoticon?)
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:34 pm

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/13/paul- ... -tax-plan/
House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan says he “loves” presidential candidate Herman Cain’s signature “9-9-9″ tax plan.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/13/paul- ... z1ahx0rxF7
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby laney on Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:50 pm

Its really silly some of you are dismissing him just because 9-9-9 is 6-6-6 upside down, as Bachmann said in the debate. That kind of attitude is why some people look at Christians like they are nuts, seeing a demon or the anti-christ under every rock. If you think that way, please reconsider.


Who said they are dismissing him "just because 9-9-9 is 6-6-6 upside down? If someone has said that here....not that I would agree with the rest of the quote....I'd like you to point them out because I have evidently over looked them.

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Re: Herman Cain

Postby laney on Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:55 pm

Our country has a two-party system, rather than a parliamentary system like England or Canada. The best chance you have to get someone you like as a nominee is to vote in a primary. Third parties will never win a Presidential election for a number of reasons.


Maybe thats what we need...to change from a two party system to a parliamentary system because the two party system is really a one party system game. Just sayin....
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby SueAnn on Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:13 pm

If I hear yet one more person on the Fox channel say that Herman Cain cannot possibly win (for one reason or another) before AND after they announce yet another poll that clearly shows Herman cain is doing quite well...I am going to stick my tongue out at Fox channel.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby FreeInHim on Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:43 pm

For the record, Cain did clarify his Greenspan pick a couple days after the debate by stating that he approved of Greenspan's policies of the early '90's, NOT his later policies.

Also, FWIW I'm not too concerned about any flaws in his 9-9-9 plan, as it stands little chance of passing as is. Just as a matter of course the plan, if ever it DOES make it to the floor, would be tweaked by both sides to the point that it would (hopefully) pass as a more perfected bill than it is now. The 9-9-9 plan is just an IDEA at this point, and stands almost ZERO chance of ever passing in its present form without any alterations.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:29 pm

laney wrote:
Our country has a two-party system, rather than a parliamentary system like England or Canada. The best chance you have to get someone you like as a nominee is to vote in a primary. Third parties will never win a Presidential election for a number of reasons.


Maybe thats what we need...to change from a two party system to a parliamentary system because the two party system is really a one party system game. Just sayin....


I don't disagree. I actually think adopting many parliamentary ideas would be a good idea. Vote of No Confidence, many parties instead of two, and the coalition system to prevent one party from having too much power. Those would be great for our country I think.

I think many conservatives on Fox are establishment Republicans, and as such like people like Romney, Perry or Mccain. The idea of a tea party favorite like Herman Cain winning scares them a bit, not because they hate him, but rather they are used to tradition.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby daffodyllady on Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:57 am

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The idea of a tea party favorite like Herman Cain winning scares them a bit, not because they hate him, but rather they are used to tradition."


I think they know that the election of a tea party candidate, by restoring power to the people, would take power away from them. They will fight against it.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby jgilberAZ on Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:00 am

Sword of Geddon wrote:Our country has a two-party system, rather than a parliamentary system like England or Canada.


Please show me where in the Constitution is says we have a two-party system?

Sword of Geddon wrote:Third parties will never win a Presidential election for a number of reasons.


Perhaps, you've never heard of Abraham Lincoln?

http://www.greatreality.com/3p/minority/last3rd.htm
The Republican Party didn't begin with Lincoln
The last successful third party in American politics elected its first President in 1860. The party of course was the Republicans and the President was Abraham Lincoln. But the Republican Party didn't begin with Lincoln, and it didn't begin in 1860.


Keep voting for the lesser of two evils and you'll still end up with evil.

I prefer to vote for the candidate that I actually agree with most.

I will never again hold my nose as I mark my ballot. (Actually, I stopped doing that about six years ago. I vote for the candidate that I believe will be the best president, regardless of party.)


Sorry for posting the whole article, but it's very much worth the read:

Why America needs a Third Party
by Thom Holmes
Chairman, Constitution Party of Oklahoma

If you lived in Afghanistan and voted in their 2004 Presidential Elections you would have had 18 choices on the ballot for president. Strangely enough, some Americas had only 2 choices for President of the United States in 2008. Some states may have had 3 or 4 people to pick from on their ballots, but none of them had 18 choices!

I’m from Oklahoma where none of the “third parties” were on the ballot in 2008, so my neighbors and I were given only ONE more choice than Saddam Hussein gave the people of Iraq. Does that sound like we live in the most free nation on earth? Not to me it doesn’t.

It seems that our elected public servants spend more of their time and our money to insure “Free and Open Elections” in Afghanistan and Iraq than they do here at home!

If we truly live in a land of Freedom & Opportunity, then we should be able to vote for any political party that wants to run candidates! So why aren’t we being allowed to vote for someone other than a democrat or republican?

At the risk of being killed, millions upon millions of the Iraqi people walked great distances and stood in long lines for hours on Election Day. Remember seeing their purple fingers displayed so proudly? But across this nation about half of the eligible voters do not even bother to vote. Something is VERY wrong with this picture!

This brings me to Reason #1 of Why America Needs a Third Party: To encourage voter participation and citizen involvement in the governing process.

Doesn’t it just make sense that more choices on the ballot would make it worth American’s time to go vote? Having third party candidates on the ballot certainly would not discourage voters from going to the polls!

The vast majority of people have no idea that the Republicans and Democrats have crippled the “third parties,” from participating in our electoral process. You might ask, “How do they do that?” Let me explain.

In most states, all parties except the two parties in power must collect thousands upon thousands of signatures to qualify their candidates for a place on the ballot. In Oklahoma, we need over 70,000 signatures and some states require even more. This forces 3rd parties to spend most of their time, money and manpower just to obtain the ticket to enter the contest. By the time we get over that first hurdle and start campaigning, our resources have been exhausted and we start the race way behind.

The simple truth is that the two major parties do not want any competition. If they ALLOWED these “third party” candidates on the ballot, someone might actually vote for them. As far fetched as it may seem, a “third party” candidate might actually get elected!



Some people think that third parties have never elected anyone to office so it doesn’t really make any difference. This simply is not true. In November 2006 a Constitution Party candidate was elected to the State Legislature. Rick Jore of Montana won a seat in the State House of Representatives with 56% of the vote!

In a 2005 special election for Congress, Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minutemen border patrol group and a member of our party, actually got the most votes on election day but then after all the absentee votes were counted the race was barely won by a republican.

Many people aren’t aware that the republican party began as a new party in 1856 and only 4 years later, Abraham Lincoln was elected president in a 4 way race. Back in 1860 the two major parties of the day were the Whigs and the Democrats. Lincoln received less than 40% of the popular vote and his name did not even appear on the ballot in 9 states, including Texas.

In recent years, Jesse Ventura won the Minnesota Governor’s race in the late 1990’s as a member of the Reform party.

You would see even more minor party candidates elected if they didn’t have to spend so much time and money just to get on the ballot!

Reason # 2: Competition yields a Superior Product; in this case, competition would give us better elected officials and better government.

One of the things that makes America great is competition. But there is very little competition on Election Day. Surely you remember hearing that roughly 95% of all incumbent candidates win re-election. That wouldn’t be the case if there were fair election laws that encouraged competition for your vote.

Third party candidates for public office were not always subjected to burdensome ballot access laws, these restrictions only began to appear around 1900. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that as voter choice has diminished over the past century we have also witnessed the deterioration of our beloved constitutional republic.

The fact is that today’s U.S. voter has less choice for whom to vote than our great-grandfathers did. In the 1896 general election, every single congressional district in the nation had at least two candidates on the ballot. But in recent years, between 50 and 75 of incumbent Congressmen in the U.S. do not even face an opponent on the November ballot. This lack of competition allows them to be reelected without even campaigning. Is it any wonder Congress pays less attention to the people of their districts than to the special interests who pump millions of dollars into their campaign war chests?

As bad as the congressional races are, voter choice is even more limited for state legislative races in all 50 of the states. There are roughly 6900 seats at stake in state houses across the United States, yet during each election cycle over 2500 of these races, an astounding 35 to 40 percent, typically have no competition on the ballot.

The blame for the declining number of choices on our ballots can be laid squarely at the feet of state legislators. Many of them have made it far too difficult for “third party” and independent candidates to get on the ballot.

Originally, there were no ballot access restrictions whatsoever in the U.S. ... no petitions, no filing fees, no declarations of candidacy. The government had no control over who could run for office, or whom voters could vote for. This is because before the 1890’s, the government did not print the ballots. Instead, parties printed them, and any voter was free to make his own ballot or to alter a party-printed ballot.

In 1924 it was still relatively easy for a presidential candidate to get on the ballot by collecting signatures equal to one-fourth of 1% of the votes cast in the previous election. My, how things have changed!

In 2012, the number of valid ballot access signatures required for a third party to have its candidates’ names listed in all 50 states has risen to roughly 2 million signatures, which is 8 times the percentage required in 1924.

You are probably not aware that 25% of the voters across our country are registered as either independent or as members of a “third party.” Over the last 10 years this has been the largest growing segment of voter registrations, which illustrates that voters are tired of the same 2 choices and are hungry for more competition on Election Day.

Reason # 3 of Why America Needs a Third Party is because they champion issues that are virtually ignored by the 2 parties in power. Here are a few examples of ideas that were made popular by third parties and eventually enacted by our government.

A Woman’s Right to Vote was 1st introduced in 1872 by the Prohibition Party and it remained in their platform for the next 48 years. It wasn’t until 1916 that the 2 political parties in power began to consider recognizing A Woman’s Right to Vote.

And who can forget the charts and graphs used by Reform Party Presidential Candidate Ross Perot to continually harp on the budget deficit in the 1992 election? The end result was that Congress finally balancing the federal budget just a few short years later.

There are several myths about having third party candidates on the ballot that I’d like to dispel. First, it is a myth that there are dozens of people who want to run for office. The state of Tennessee only requires 25 signatures for an independent candidate to get on the ballot for any office, and no filing fee is required. But there have been several elections in the last 20 years with no independent candidates for the U.S. House on the Tennessee ballot.

It is also a myth that numerous candidates on the ballot can cause voters to become confused. In the 2003 California Governor’s Recall Election, Arnold Schwarzenegger won the race without a runoff, even though there were 134 names on the ballot for governor. If voters weren’t confused by 134 candidates then I think you and I can handle more than 2 choices on Election Day.

On the other hand, in the 2000 presidential race between Bush and Gore, Florida voters claimed to be confused simply by the configuration of the ballot that contained very few names. Therefore, these two very high profile races prove that voters are less confused by numerous candidates than they are by “hanging chads.”

In summary, the 3 reasons American Needs a Third Party are:

    To increase voter participation and citizen involvement in government, bringing about a return to “government by the people.”
    Competition yields a superior product, so we would have better elected officials and better government.
    Third party candidates expand the topics of the campaign debate and ideas that are virtually ignored by the 2 parties in power would be championed by third party candidates.

Given a level playing field, third parties can play a significant role in restoring our Constitutional Republic and help reduce voter apathy, which is one of the major reasons we no longer have a government that is responsive to the people.

Ballot access restrictions are a plague on one of our most cherished freedoms, the right to vote! Each of you is urged to work with us to build the Constitution Party so you will have the freedom to vote for third party candidates that share your values and hopes for your children and grandchildren.


I AGREE with your concerns about a third party reducing the vote total for the Republican candidate, resulting in the election of a Democrat. Frankly, though, I don't see a great deal of difference between the two parties ACTUAL JOB PERFORMANCE. Party platforms are certainly different, but job performance? not so much.

I think the answer is two-fold ... open ballot access to third parties, AND, Instant Runoff Voting.

http://www.chrisgates.net/irv/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqblOq8BmgM


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
Instant runoff voting is used to elect members of the Australian House of Representatives,[1] the President of India, members of legislative councils in India, the President of Ireland,[2] the national parliament of Papua New Guinea, and the House of Representatives of Fiji.[3] It is also used in Irish by-elections and for electing hereditary peers for the British House of Lords.[4]

IRV is employed by several jurisdictions in the United States, including Portland, Maine; San Francisco, California;[5] Oakland, California;[6] Minneapolis, Minnesota; and Saint Paul, Minnesota.[5]

It is used to elect the leaders of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats in the United Kingdom and the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada in a national primary[7] and in the elections of city mayors in a number of countries. IRV is used to elect the mayor in cities such as London in the United Kingdom (in the variant known as supplementary vote)[8] and Dunedin and Wellington in New Zealand.[9]

Many private associations also use IRV,[10] including the Hugo Awards for science fiction[11] and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in selection of the Oscar for best picture.[12]


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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:20 pm

When i said we have a two party system, that isn't because of the constitution, it is because of decades of government tradition, reenforced by the census and districting, and finally because third parties never muster enough voter recognition, let alone enough votes to make them competitive with the two main parties.

Yes a third party has won before, but that was nearly 150 years ago. This country has changed much since then, and the two party system is now a part of the American political system, like it or not.

This coming election will be the most important ever in our lifetimes. If you love this country you should vote for a good republican in the primary, so we don't have a "lesser of two evils" situation as you put it jgilberAZ. Perry or Romney winning the nomination would be what your talking about.

There is a new thing in the Republican circles now. There is the Establishment Faction, and the Tea Party. We have a chance at actually reforming the Republican party into a force for good.
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Re: Herman Cain

Postby Sword of Geddon on Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:07 pm

Check out Herman Cain's article here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=356825

He addresses most of the criticisms of his 9-9-9 plan.
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