Newborns with an ID chip!!!

[fbcryouthdirector]

Hello everyone its been a long time since I have been back. I am an ordained minister now and associate pastor at a local church in Florida. This wasn't a news report I just wanted to let everyone what I recently experienced. My wife and I had a new member to our family on Aug.3, 2011 a little boy to be exact. When we received our papers to sign for the birth certificate we were also handed consent forms to have our child implanted with an ID chip so if he was ever kidnapped they could track his whereabouts and that we could sign the option to have all personal medical information placed on it also. I found out that the hospital has the scanners to read these chips as far as 50 ft. The nurse then informed us that not only has their hospital fit 85% of the children born there but, that they also have been doing all ages of people now. The elderly are doing it so if they wander off they can be found and most young adults and those in middle age are doing it so if they are ever killed or become kidnapped they can be found. According to this brochure the chips are placed in the right hand or center of the eyes in the forehead. The statement is on the brochure that the left cannot be used due to heart and blood pressure is higher there and would affect the chip's ability to be read. That worried me and of course we declined that chip. I am sorry if it seems like I am rambling but, its a bitter/sweet experience because when we see these things going on we know that the Lord will be coming soon. As soon as I can scan the brochure I will attach it to this message. God Bless everyone.

[whelen36]

i'm interested in seeing that, please post it soon. this , along with the calls for a global currency, what's going on in israel right now and turkey/iran , and how the u.s. seems to be turning on israel right now also seems to fit together to form the pattern of how things just might work out. and it seems to be going very very fast paced

[Abiding in His Word]

Congratulations on both your ordination and the new baby! Thanks for this info that encourages us to continue watching as scripture unfolds.

Good to hear from you again.

[Tevye]

Hello everyone its been a long time since I have been back. I am an ordained minister...My wife and I had a new member to our family on Aug.3, 2011 a little boy to be exact.

Congratulations!! May your journey be blessed!

When we received our papers to sign for the birth certificate we were also handed consent forms to have our child implanted with an ID chip

"Here's your bundle of "joy" now please sign this,..."
"Nooooooooooooo."
There are so many things to sign for with a newborn these days....oh my.

[mguard]

How come When I googled to try to find more info on this I only got very old articles about possible or potential uses? I would think there would be some serious outcry over this? No one talking about this except you here. I for one need to see that scan. Sorry call me a doubting Thomas.

[clang]

mgaurd, as handy a tool as it is, google is extremely left wing. This may be something that they are trying to keep quiet until the time is right.

[Jericho]

Sounds plausible, first pets, then elderly, then babies, then everyone else.

[Abiding in His Word]

Sounds plausible, first pets, then elderly, then babies, then everyone else.

Yes, and all for seemingly good reasons...safety; medical or otherwise. To add an additional use at a later time, would pose little problem for those already using this apparatus. Once it's convenience becomes popular and widespread, it might be easy to convince others of it's benefits.

[Finaldash]

How come When I googled to try to find more info on this I only got very old articles about possible or potential uses? I would think there would be some serious outcry over this? No one talking about this except you here. I for one need to see that scan. Sorry call me a doubting Thomas.

Ditto!!

[pegmo]

fbcyouthdirector, if you can't scan the brochure, can you give us the name or their website and we can look it up?

[Trepid]

I don't believe it either, let's see the brochure. At least tell us the company's name that's on the brochure.

[Abiding in His Word]

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=45542

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Health-Care-IT ... -Military/

http://www.10news.com/health/10956654/detail.html

[pegmo]

well 2 of those articles that were linked are bracelet tracking systems, not implantable id chips. the other article, indicates a sale of a system in Canada, but there is no current information about the actual use of the systems. The 3 articles are fairly dated....2006, 2007, 2008 I think.

[mguard]

Yes I found similar articles when I googled. Google may be owned by left wingers, but it still displays content from this site and other Christian sites etc... what I was looking for was a person out there saying ...Hey this happened to me. I know that conspiracy sites get no respect here, but if this was happening then I would think that there would be lots of various posts! Not even one?????
Look, I live in Europe right now and it is ages ahead as far as govt. controlled heath care, Big brother etc... Chipping of infants would start here NOT in the US. Europeans would probably not even have to sign a consent form!

I must admit that I have a personal bias toward the mark of the beast being a spiritual condition, not to change the direction of this thread... At the same time I do not deny that the technology exists for an actual physical mark....However the implantable chip is OLD technology and the RFID Tatoo would be much more likely candidate.

I'm sorry if I come across as edgy in my posts. I have seen so much since leaving the states, living in so many different countries in the past 3 years, Meeting people from all over the world.

I know that daily our Brothers and sister are slaughtered for their testimony and do not love their lives unto death! They are abused and imprisoned and yet carry on spreading the gospel. They are mocked and spit on and torn to pieces for their belief in our Lord and I just don't see that buying and selling at walmart with an Iphone is all that high on our Lords list of concerns.

Jesus told us they will hate us for his names sake and Paul said all who live GODLY Lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. Persecution is VERY limited in the states..so much so that EVERY instance gains wide media attention.
( unless you count the treatment of the called out ones by the organizational structure )

I guess for me it is curious that it is those who live in the most free and free of persecution places that are the most obsessed about it possibly coming to them, when it is a daily reality for so many of our brothers and sisters.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here... Blessings all

[Resurrection Torchlight]

fbcryouthdirector , hi, I'm wondering if you could tell us what hospital this was at? And congrats on the birth of your son!!!!

RT

[Tevye]

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Health-Care-IT/VeriChip-Sells-First-Baby-Protection-System-in-Talks-with-Military/

From AIHW's link:

The problem, privacy advocates say, is that VeriChip is targeting individuals
who may not have a say in whether or not they are chipped...
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The FDA also identified a number of risks associated with an implantable RFID chip,
including adverse tissue reaction, migration of the implanted transponder,
electromagnetic interference and electrical hazards.

'Adverse tissue reaction'...hummmm could it eventually be manifested like this?

"The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land,
and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people
who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image."
Revelation 16:2

Chipping of infants would start here NOT in the US.

Unless...the point of origin is not meant to be Europe.
I imagine we will know for sure the point of origin, when it becomes mandatory to have the MOTB.

the RFID Tatoo would be much more likely candidate

I'm leaning in that direction as well, a visible (or invisible) tattoo MOTB.

[Tevye]

From an article six years ago...

Who would want such a thing? That depends on how you ask, says Scott Silverman,
CEO of Applied Digital, which makes the FDA-approved RFID called VeriChip.

"When we first announced VeriChip, a network poll asked people if they would put one in their bodies,"
Silverman tells WebMD. "Only 9% said yes. After FDA approval, 19% said yes. When former HHS Secretary
Tommy Thompson joined our board, the rate went up to 33%. But our own study shows that if you ask people
whether they would have a VeriChip implant to identify their medical records in case of an emergency,
the positive response goes to 80%."

The chip got FDA approval in October 2004. Since then, Silverman says, some 2,000 people worldwide
are using them for medical or security purposes. But soon he expects that millions of people
will get VeriChip implants every year.

Like lambs (or goats?) to the....

[daffyladysson]

Yes I found similar articles when I googled. Google may be owned by left wingers, but it still displays content from this site and other Christian sites etc... what I was looking for was a person out there saying ...Hey this happened to me. I know that conspiracy sites get no respect here, but if this was happening then I would think that there would be lots of various posts! Not even one?????
Look, I live in Europe right now and it is ages ahead as far as govt. controlled heath care, Big brother etc... Chipping of infants would start here NOT in the US. Europeans would probably not even have to sign a consent form!

I must admit that I have a personal bias toward the mark of the beast being a spiritual condition, not to change the direction of this thread... At the same time I do not deny that the technology exists for an actual physical mark....However the implantable chip is OLD technology and the RFID Tatoo would be much more likely candidate.

I'm sorry if I come across as edgy in my posts. I have seen so much since leaving the states, living in so many different countries in the past 3 years, Meeting people from all over the world.

I know that daily our Brothers and sister are slaughtered for their testimony and do not love their lives unto death! They are abused and imprisoned and yet carry on spreading the gospel. They are mocked and spit on and torn to pieces for their belief in our Lord and I just don't see that buying and selling at walmart with an Iphone is all that high on our Lords list of concerns.

Jesus told us they will hate us for his names sake and Paul said all who live GODLY Lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. Persecution is VERY limited in the states..so much so that EVERY instance gains wide media attention.
( unless you count the treatment of the called out ones by the organizational structure )

I guess for me it is curious that it is those who live in the most free and free of persecution places that are the most obsessed about it possibly coming to them, when it is a daily reality for so many of our brothers and sisters.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here... Blessings all

[Tevye]

A cat's incredible journey has taken the web by storm. After a feline named Willow
ran away from her Colorado home five years ago, her owners had given up hope.
"We put out the 'lost cat' posters and the Craigslist thing, but we actually thought she'd been eaten by coyotes,"
the Squires family told The New York Times. You can imagine her family's surprise when they received a call
that a man had found Willow a mere 1,800 miles away wandering down 20th Street in New York City
and turned her in to a shelter. Thanks to a tiny microchip that had been implanted into the cat,
the shelter was able to identify her as the cat who went missing five years ago in Colorado.
The shelter says Willow was healthy and probably did not live on New York's mean streets for long.
So what she's been up to the past five years and how she traveled from Colorado to New York is still a mystery.
Social media's loving this story. On Twitter, @TAshwell called it "The Most Up-Lifting News Story of the Month."
Others like @collins3779 say the story shows, "Why u should microchip ur pet."

Willow's owner even said, "if I could microchip my kids, I would."
news.yahoo.com

[BeyondBlessed]

I have had a question about this type of thing....

Would the people who are too young to understand (like babies) or too disabled (elderly with mental disabilities or others) be held responsible for having the Mark if it was given to them without their consent?????? This is something that nags at me a little bit. I know that those who CHOOSE the Mark are doomed buuut what about those who are forced to get it? I'm not saying this chip is the Mark and I'm not saying it isn't either or even a runner up for it. My concern is what happens to those who have it but did not choose it.

[SueAnn]

What does it mean when someone drops a bomb---such as this type of thread creation--- then despite several requests for further information, does not respond?
Fishy.

[xdrifter]

Hey all, we just welcomed our new daughter 4 days ago, we have not yet applied for her birth certificate but I will be sure to keep you posted if anything like this exists.


I can certainly see it comming down the pipes, as strange as it sounds a year ago in the nearest city a baby was stolen, so now all babys are given RFID tag bracelets. Had I taken my baby out of the room we were in without first signing the paper work and being released apparently the entire hospital would lock down! there was actually a painted line at the door way I was told not to cross.

Am reminded of that quote, those who trade liberty for security deserve, nor will have either!

[Keeping Alert]

I am wondering what is the big deal even if it is true that they have begun to tag babies with RFID...

It is not like my baby will be condemned to hell because of the tag right?

I was just invited to a highly secretive place last week which I can only call it a high-technology research center. The things that they can do is just amazing and it is beyond RFID...

IMHO, don't get to worked up over these things. They will come and God is a fair God... the MOB will be something that is linked to the worship of the beast...

[Jericho]

It is not like my baby will be condemned to hell because of the tag right?

Right now I think the issue is with privacy. Personally I would draw the line at putting any sort of RFID on or in me, MOB or not. Not only because of privacy issues but because it makes it that much easier to take it to the next step.

[FreeInHim]

What does it mean when someone drops a bomb---such as this type of thread creation--- then despite several requests for further information, does not respond?
Fishy.

My sentiments exactly.