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by The Orange Mailman on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:45 pm
Eph. 2:7 speaks of the ages to come. What is in store for us?! There's the millennial kingdom but then there are more ages after that? What could they be? What will they look like?
by Mrs. B on Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:30 am
by revelation12eleven on Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:14 pm
by The Orange Mailman on Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:35 pm
So when we read about the flood in Matthew 24:39 and Luke 17:27, isn't this really an allusion to the great winepress of the wrath of God in Rev. 14:19?
Also, when Matt. 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-37 reference how one will be taken while the other will be left behind, can't we just agree that this is talking about the resurrection/rapture before the wrath of God begins? If this is true, then what can we say about the 10 virgins? If five are taken (Matt. 25:10), then five must be left behind, right? Again, this is reference to the resurrection/rapture at the end of the age, isn't it?
by The Orange Mailman on Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:51 pm
by Abiding in His Word on Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:02 pm
by Finaldash on Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:56 pm
They must be reaped quickly before the second reaping commences. This event occurs at the end of Daniel's Seventieth Week (often called the Tribulation) at the blowing of the seventh trumpet and immediately prior to the pouring out of the seven bowls. It includes the resurrection of those who came to faith and were martyred after the Church was raptured (Revelation 11:15-18).
by The Orange Mailman on Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:01 pm
by nike on Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:41 pm
I would think that would be a fun experience for the both of you! 
by The Orange Mailman on Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:24 pm
by Mr Baldy on Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:22 am
nike wrote:Orange - have you ever considered calling Marv and asking him to discuss his position with you? (Feel free to drop my name...)
nike
by nike on Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:39 am
by The Orange Mailman on Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:47 pm
by nike on Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:05 pm
by The Orange Mailman on Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:51 pm
by Seeker on Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:41 am
Doesn't this mean that other passages could be corroborated with this passage to create a post-wrath rapture scenario?
by Mr Baldy on Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:57 am
The Orange Mailman wrote:Mr. Baldy, I seriously cannot type your name without laughing. Sorry.
The Orange Mailman wrote: But what exactly would the "next level" be?
by rizen on Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:33 pm
My main issue with Rev 14 is with the chronology of the passage, in particular v 1-5. The declarations of the 3 angels are clearly sequential given that v 8 & 9 both indicate that one FOLLOWED the previous one. Further, the parenthetical statement of v 12-13 seems to be sequential after the angels since we are told that those who die in the Lord FROM NOW ON, are blessed. This most naturally would refer to the time immediately after the 3 angels declarations. But if we then assume that v 1-5 occur BEFORE the 3 angels, what are the implications for Rev 7? Wouldn't this mean that the 3 angels occur between the sealing of the 144,000 but before the rapture? And if v 13 implies the GT, would this mean that the 144,000 are sealed prior to the 6th seal sign? Or are v 1-5 not sequential with the rest of the chapter and rather represent where the 144,000 end up at the end of the 70th week when Israel is saved? But then why would the whole chapter seem to be in a chronological order except for the first 5 verses?
There just aren't enough textual indicators for me to be sure. Any thoughts?
by rizen on Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:52 pm
by Birdwatcher on Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:08 pm
by The Orange Mailman on Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:05 pm
by Tevye on Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:22 am
The Orange Mailman wrote:the first trumpet (which I believe runs parallel with the first bowl).
by The Orange Mailman on Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:08 pm
by Tevye on Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:38 pm
by The Orange Mailman on Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:18 pm
by rizen on Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:31 pm
by rizen on Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:36 pm
by The Orange Mailman on Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:12 pm
I think Orange is onto something here regarding the difference between the bowl and trumpet judgments. We see this highlighted when the fifth bowl is poured out upon the seat of the beast and his kingdom.
In light of the idea that the bowl judgments are centered on the beast's kingdom while the trumpet judgments concern the world outside the beast's kingdom, is the fourth seal actually revealing how much of the world (the fourth part) the beast's kingdom encompasses?
If so (or not), in your opinion what part of the earth does this "fourth part" represent?
I also think it's pretty interesting how the sounding of the seventh trumpet tells us the time has already passed to "destroy them that destroy the earth". If you read through the first six bowls, it's interesting how none of them depict anyone being killed or dying. This is unlike the trumpet judgments--the third and sixth specifically--where people are depicted being killed or dying. What this might suggest is how the seventh trumpet announces that the seventh bowl is when those of the Antichrist and his kingdom are destroyed. I mean they would have to be destroyed at some point. Of course by the time the seventh trumpet sounds, it would appear the Antichrist's kingdom would encompass all the earth since the sixth bowl depicts spirits of devils working miracles through the whole world to gather them to Armageddon (Rev. 16:13-14).
by rizen on Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:51 am
.The seals, I believe, begin at the midpoint of Daniel’s 70th week. The first five seals represent the different facets of the antichrist’s authority, including the great tribulation at the fifth seal
Death and hell are given power over ¼ of the earth which will result in death of ¼ of the world’s population by the means described in Revelation 6:8.
by Birdwatcher on Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:08 pm
rizen wrote:Hey Birdwatcher,
I really enjoyed your book. It came highly recommended.
by The Orange Mailman on Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:57 pm
In light of the idea that death and hell are given power to kill one-fourth of the world's population when the fourth seal is opened, would it be presumptuous to assume that the cutting short of the great tribulation when the sixth seal is opened is exactly that time when one-fourth of the world's population has died. In other words, where do you place the fifth seal? Is the fifth seal opened after one-fourth of the world's population has perished, or is it opened in the midst of their perishing?
As I'm sure you're well aware, Rev. 3:10 is probably the most quoted "prooftext" that pretribulationists use to support their position. But if it's the patience of the saints during the great tribulation that allows them to be kept from the "hour of temptation", wouldn't this suggest that the "hour" in question is a particular time period that follows after the great tribulation?
2) Have you considered how the words of Jesus in Rev. 16:15 might be connected to Dan. 12:12?
In your opinion, is the seventh trumpet blown on the day which Dan. 12:12 alludes?
I know the classic prewrath position holds that the 45 day period between Dan. 12:11-12 is when the seven bowls are poured out, but if the sixth bowl is around the time when this 45 day period begins then obviously the previous five bowls have already been poured out before this time.
Also, it should be noted that if there is a connection between the "blessings" of the Dan. 12:12 and Rev. 16:15, that this ultimately connects back to the blessing of Rev. 20:6 concerning the "first resurrection".
by rizen on Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:06 am
I believe the blessings for those who arrive at the 1335 day after the abomination of desolation are millennial blessings when the king sits on His throne. The 7th trumpet, to me, is like the changing of the kingdoms. The trumpet is blown, the times comes for the kingdoms of this world to become subservient to God’s kingdom which is now physically present here on earth.
I hope that covers everything. Thanks for the dialogue.
by The Orange Mailman on Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:34 pm
how would you argue against the idea the seventh trumpet marks the midpoint of the seventieth week without making a distinction between man's wrath, Satan's wrath, and God's wrath?
As I considered this, wouldn't one argument against this be the sealing of the 144,000 "firstfruits" before the trumpet judgments. In Matthew 24:22, we are told that unless the days of the great tribulation are shortened that no flesh would be saved. Isn't the sealing of the 144,000 in Rev. 7:1-8 before the trumpet judgments the time in which God is literally ordaining "flesh" to be saved? If the 144,000 are the firstfruits of the millennium, the seventh trumpet cannot mark the beginning of the great tribulation, since at this point the 144,000 have already been sealed and the great tribulation cut short.
On page 3, Mr. Rosenthal makes the point that Rev. 14 is when the 144,000 are standing with Jesus after the seven trumpet judgments. My guess is he means after the trumpet and bowl judgments (since the sounding of the seventh trumpet, according to the classic prewrath theory, opens the seven bowls), is this what he's implying?
In the next paragraph, Rosenthal makes a very interesting assertion I've never heard before, and that is that Rev. 15:1 is a depiction of the "third sign" after the first two seen in Rev. 12 (woman with crown of twelve stars and great red dragon). What's your take on this idea?
And one last question. When Rev. 14:6 states that John saw "another angel" flying through the midst of heaven, is this suggesting that the "Lamb" standing with the 144,000 on Mt. Zion in Rev. 14:1 is the first angel that preceded it?
by lecoope on Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:41 pm
The Orange Mailman wrote:Okay Tevye, let's open this up. I can't find a post, and I think I've avoided a direct post, but here it is.
When Rosenthal wrote his book, The PreWrath Rapture of the Church, he unlocked a term whereby the church could better understand the timing of the rapture, the nature of the eschatological wrath of God, and the scriptures which correlate with the Day of the LORD. He laid down a solid framework. This was the basic idea.
-Daniel’s 70th week is yet future.
-At the midpoint comes the abomination of desolation.
-After the abomination of desolation begins the great tribulation.
-That great tribulation will continue until the rapture cuts short the great tribulation. This occurs at the sixth seal. After the rapture will begin the Day of the LORD which will include the eschatological wrath of God.
-The Day of the LORD will take up the remainder of Daniel’s 70th week.
-Then begins the millennial reign of Christ.
This is a great foundation. However, Rosenthal also submitted a chronology for the book of Revelation which is the issue that many struggle with when looking at Revelation 14. His chronology of the seals, trumpets, and bowls is what I have an issue with. Here is his chronology.
Seals 1-7, then Trumpets 1-7, which takes us to the end of Daniel’s 70th week. Then in the 30 days which follow Daniel’s 70th week, Bowls 1-7. The issue that I have is that the beast of Revelation 13 is only given 42 months of the authority. The best structure of Revelation’s chronology will end the beast’s authority after 42 months with his destruction. But the bowls depict the beast as still possessing authority as the bowls are being poured out.
Rosenthal asserts that after the seventh trumpet sounds, leading us to the end of Daniel’s 70th week, that there is a section of scripture in Revelation 12-15 which is parenthetical. In essence, Rosenthal believes that we are to push the pause button on chronology after Revelation 11. Then when the first bowl is poured out in Revelation 16, the pause button is pushed again to get the chronology to resume. So in Rosenthal’s mind, and all those who believe that the bowls sequentially follow the trumpets, the events of Revelation 12-15 have no chronological significance.
When I see the rapture in Revelation 14:14-16, I am throwing a huge wrench into the chronological scheme of one of the founders of the PreWrath position. Most PreWrathers deny that there is any connection between Revelation 14:14-16 and the rapture. I had some interaction with Roy Reinhold who holds a very similar position to PreWrath. He denied any connection at all. Other PreWrathers that I have interacted with simply do not want to correlate that there is any connection. That is why I was so surprised that Rosenthal even made the connection that this is a rapture like event. But, he still has the chronology issue that won’t let him accept that this could be the rapture.
Here is my solution. We need a better understanding of Revelation’s chronology. Rather than push the pause button at Revelation 11:19, and then resume at Revelation 16:1, let’s look at the book as a whole, specifically the portions that apply to the end. Revelation 1-5 is fairly introductory. We need not bother too much with chronology there. Revelation 6 is where it gets good. The seals, I believe, begin at the midpoint of Daniel’s 70th week. The first five seals represent the different facets of the antichrist’s authority, including the great tribulation at the fifth seal. The sixth seal is the rapture, showing two multitudes, one remnant on earth, the other in heaven having been raptured. Then comes the wrath of God in seven phases, or trumpets 1-7 in that order. So far, I agree with Rosenthal. Here is the chronology of Revelation 6-11.
Seal 1, Seal 2, Seal 3, Seal 4, Seal 5, Seal 6, Seal 7, (beginning of God’s wrath)
Trumpet 1, Trumpet 2, Trumpet 3, Trumpet 4, Trumpet 5, Trumpet 6, Trumpet 7 (end of the 70th week)
Revelation 12-16 also contains a chronology. The events of Revelation 12-13 contain a few basic things that occur at the dawn of time and the first advent, but very quickly shift to the end times 1260 days, or the last half of Daniel’s 70th week.
The rise of the beast from the sea describes the different facets of the antichrist’s authority. So we are essentially covering the same ground as the seals, but with more details revealed. Here we have a description of the ten horns, the false prophet, and the mark of the beast.
fter this, we transition into chapter 14 which contains a description of the 144,000 on Mount Zion. So this is another parallel passage to the previous chronology.
I view the details of Revelation 14 to be more information on what we already know, just like Revelation 12-13 was more information concerning the antichrist and the suffering of the saints that we saw in Revelation 6.
Revelation 14 has the three angelic announcements. Then there is a clear description of the rapture, which I started this thread to highlight that idea.
Then immediately after this, there is an event known as the great winepress of God’s wrath. This is showing us that the wrath of God follows the rapture.
Just as Revelation 7 showed two different groups of people, one in heaven and one on earth, so Revelation 14-15 shows the same. There are the 144,000 in Revelation 14:1-5, then in Revelation 15, we see the church victorious over the beast, but standing in heaven. Following this, the bowls will be poured out on the earth which are described as God’s wrath. At the seventh bowl, “It is finished.” This would lead us to the end of Daniel’s 70th week, and the end of the reign of the beast, so ending the 42 months of authority.
In short, Revelation 6-11 describes a chronology, which is basically the events of the last half of Daniel’s 70th week. Revelation 12-16 also describes a chronology, which is also the last half of Daniel’s 70th week, with a couple of brief exceptions at the very beginning.
After chapter 16 concludes, the angel takes John on a tour to help him understand things better. He sees a vision of the prostitute which helps him to explain the nature of the beast.
Of course the marriage MUST WAIT until the day of the resurrection of the Old Testament saints. They will get resurrection bodies too, and will be escorted to heaven to the marriage. They will NOT be left out! Notice that this wedding and supper are IN HEAVEN just before Jesus gets on the white horse. This one event shows the fallacy of a post trib rapture of the church: they would MISS the wedding.He sees a vision of the marriage supper of the Lamb.
He sees a vision of Armageddon. He sees the New Jerusalem, the new heaven, and the new earth. All of these can be inserted back into the chronology which was revealed in Revelation 6-11 and 12-16, which both happen concurrently.
With this basic foundation, now we can discuss how the trumpets and bowls occur in a parallel fashion. There is no evidence in the book of Revelation that the bowls occur in the 30 days following Daniel’s 70th week. But if there are any questions or objections that need to be covered first, I will address them.
by lecoope on Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:42 pm
by Abiding in His Word on Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:52 pm
by lecoope on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:07 pm
Abiding in His Word wrote:Hello lecoope,
Just a reminder that the PreWrath forum is for those with this view of the rapture and no opposing views are permitted. Your post lends itself to more of a debate than agreement with the PreWrath position while the purpose of this forum is a safe area for discussing this position.
You may want to begin a thread in the Prophecy Debate forum and invite opposing views.
Thanks!
by rizen on Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:22 am
You’ve really got to hold to the sixth seal/cosmic signs from Matthew 24:29-31 parallel. That’s the hinge point for chronology across the board.
At the sixth seal, the nations want to be hidden from the One who sits on the throne and from the Lamb. They obviously see Him.
On page 3, Mr. Rosenthal makes the point that Rev. 14 is when the 144,000 are standing with Jesus after the seven trumpet judgments. My guess is he means after the trumpet and bowl judgments (since the sounding of the seventh trumpet, according to the classic prewrath theory, opens the seven bowls), is this what he's implying?I don’t think so. If you read through this thread, I am arguing against Rosenthal’s classic view. When Marv gets to chapter 14, he is on the verge of seeing things in a breakthrough way, but he has chronological baggage in my humble opinion. He really means “after the trumpet judgments”. He doesn’t believe the bowl judgments have occurred yet since he places them after the 1260 day period.
by The Orange Mailman on Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:17 pm
"I" certainly do hold to this parallel, but the problem is that when you point this out to a dispensationalist they pull out the "Matthew 24 is only for Jewish people" card.
It's exactly like the "tribulation saints" card they pull out when you attempt to address the fifth seal martyrs.
Hey Orange, what does Rosenthal say about the martyrs standing on the sea of glass in Rev. 15:2-3? Does he believe they stand on the sea of glass after the trumpet judgments like the 144,000 with the Lamb on Mt. Zion in Rev. 14:1?
Also, you might want to check out how a Hebrew Bible translates the word "shortened" in Matt. 24:22 and "reap" in Rev. 14:15-16. It might be the same word.
by lecoope on Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:37 pm
by The Orange Mailman on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:10 pm
The seventh trumpet terminates the ministry of the two witnesses. Some will say that the two witnesses prophesy during the first half of the week. But look at Revelation 11:1-3. The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days, during which time the holy city (Jerusalem) is trampled for 42 months. Once the 42 months are over (which is also the 1260 days of ministry of the two witnesses), the holy city will no longer be trampled down. So the sounding of the seventh trumpet concludes the time of the trampling down of the holy city by making the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ. Further, Luke 21:24 states that Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the end of the age. So, the 42 months are the final 42 months at the end of the age. After that, Jerusalem is liberated from Gentile dominion. Jerusalem now is actually still under partial Gentile control since Jordan has authority over the temple mount and the dome of the rock inhibits undisputed Jewish worship. Israel will not regain full control of the temple mount according to Luke 21:24, at least not until the seventh trumpet sounds. That begins the millennial reign of Christ from Jerusalem, or the New Jerusalem actually.
by lecoope on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:23 pm
The Orange Mailman wrote:Coop (or LeCoope)-
I see that you have already been instructed by the Site Administrator that this is the PreWrath section. Starting a debate here against the PreWrath position is not allowed. Your query may seem to be simply questioning, but you have assertions that you make that are contrary to PreWrath, which seems like you are just trying to start a debate. If you are interested in an answer to the question, I would suggest you read through this thread in its entirety first. You should become aware of the topic that is being discussed so that you can intelligently interact here. If you had read through the thread, you would have read my response to this very issue. Here is what I wrote concerning the ministry of the two witnesses and why it must be located in the final 3 ½ years rather than the first 3 ½ years.The seventh trumpet terminates the ministry of the two witnesses. Some will say that the two witnesses prophesy during the first half of the week. But look at Revelation 11:1-3. The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days, during which time the holy city (Jerusalem) is trampled for 42 months. Once the 42 months are over (which is also the 1260 days of ministry of the two witnesses), the holy city will no longer be trampled down. So the sounding of the seventh trumpet concludes the time of the trampling down of the holy city by making the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ. Further, Luke 21:24 states that Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the end of the age. So, the 42 months are the final 42 months at the end of the age. After that, Jerusalem is liberated from Gentile dominion. Jerusalem now is actually still under partial Gentile control since Jordan has authority over the temple mount and the dome of the rock inhibits undisputed Jewish worship. Israel will not regain full control of the temple mount according to Luke 21:24, at least not until the seventh trumpet sounds. That begins the millennial reign of Christ from Jerusalem, or the New Jerusalem actually.
If you would like to start a debate, Abiding in His Word has given you a suggestion. I’m all for a good debate, but this particular section is for those who want to avoid a debate and discuss things on a level where we already have a particular foundation in common.
Have fun and stay busy - Luke 19:13
-The Orange Mailman
by lecoope on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:33 pm
lecoope wrote:The Orange Mailman wrote:Coop (or LeCoope)-
I see that you have already been instructed by the Site Administrator that this is the PreWrath section. Starting a debate here against the PreWrath position is not allowed. Your query may seem to be simply questioning, but you have assertions that you make that are contrary to PreWrath, which seems like you are just trying to start a debate. If you are interested in an answer to the question, I would suggest you read through this thread in its entirety first. You should become aware of the topic that is being discussed so that you can intelligently interact here. If you had read through the thread, you would have read my response to this very issue. Here is what I wrote concerning the ministry of the two witnesses and why it must be located in the final 3 ½ years rather than the first 3 ½ years.The seventh trumpet terminates the ministry of the two witnesses. Some will say that the two witnesses prophesy during the first half of the week. But look at Revelation 11:1-3. The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days, during which time the holy city (Jerusalem) is trampled for 42 months. Once the 42 months are over (which is also the 1260 days of ministry of the two witnesses), the holy city will no longer be trampled down. So the sounding of the seventh trumpet concludes the time of the trampling down of the holy city by making the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ. Further, Luke 21:24 states that Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the end of the age. So, the 42 months are the final 42 months at the end of the age. After that, Jerusalem is liberated from Gentile dominion. Jerusalem now is actually still under partial Gentile control since Jordan has authority over the temple mount and the dome of the rock inhibits undisputed Jewish worship. Israel will not regain full control of the temple mount according to Luke 21:24, at least not until the seventh trumpet sounds. That begins the millennial reign of Christ from Jerusalem, or the New Jerusalem actually.
If you would like to start a debate, Abiding in His Word has given you a suggestion. I’m all for a good debate, but this particular section is for those who want to avoid a debate and discuss things on a level where we already have a particular foundation in common.
Have fun and stay busy - Luke 19:13
-The Orange Mailman
Yes, I understood and apologized. But I have been too busy to start a debate at this time. Sorry
Coop
by rizen on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:13 am
Also, you might want to check out how a Hebrew Bible translates the word "shortened" in Matt. 24:22 and "reap" in Rev. 14:15-16. It might be the same word.
Any ideas who I could ask?
by The Orange Mailman on Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:17 pm
Hey Orange, what do you make of Rev. 14:17-20 and Joel 3:13-14? Are they depicting the same thing? Any opinions on where the "valley of decision" might be?
by The Orange Mailman on Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:13 pm
by rizen on Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:46 am
Any other questions that Mo can…
I mean, that I can answer.
by The Orange Mailman on Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:33 pm
1. So I guess my question is, does Rev. 8:3-5 depict something that happens on the earth or is this passage simply setting up what is about to occur when the first trumpet is opened?
2. After the seventh trumpet sounds in Rev. 11:15, we are told in Rev. 11:19 that there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail. Is Revelation 11:19 depicting what already occurred in Rev. 16:18,21 when the seventh bowl was poured out (voices, thunderings, lightnings, and a great earthquake...great hail)?
3. This question is pretty weird but it's kind of gnawing at me. Is there a connection between God resting on the 7th day of Creation and the 7th Seal being a Sabbath for saints in the sense that they are immune to the wrath of God?
by rizen on Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:03 pm
by The Orange Mailman on Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:34 pm
In Dan. 1 we read where Daniel and his friends forsook the king's meat for ten days. Instead Daniel and his friends ate pulse or vegetables (sown seed). At the end of those ten days, Daniel and his friends were found ten times better than those who ate the king's meat. Is it possible that when the third seal is opened, God is telling us to forsake the "oil and wine" (king's meat) or worldly pleasures (Pro. 21:17; Psa. 141:4) for the grain? And at the end of the great tribulation ("ten days") we will be infinitely better off than those who chose the pleasures of this world? Proverbs 23:6-7 seems to hint at the idea that as a man thinks, so he is. If that is the case, then the grain harvest would represent those who have forsaken their lives in this world while the grape clusters would represent those who sought the pleasures of this world. I was wondering if you ever considered anything like this before? (A simple "no" will suffice...lol).
Also, is this a fair analogy to draw:
What the Great Tribulation is to the Church (primarily Gentile, but also Jewish), the Day of the Lord is to the Israelites (primarily Jewish, but also Gentile).
Thanks in advance
If I may, I’ll explain my reasoning. The great tribulation is against Christians, both Gentile and Israelite. I believe it will be against unbelieving Israelites as well. When Israel repents, then Christ returns. Acts 3:19-21 and Joel 2:12-14, 18; but the foundation is back in Deuteronomy 30:1-10 (worth reading). I view the fire in Zechariah 13:9 as being the great tribulation. So once Israel repents, Christ returns which begins the Day of the LORD. But now 144,000 Israelites are supernaturally protected. This was not true of the church. The scope is different. Now God will be taking the 144,000 and transitioning into the age to come. For some time I have thought that Psalm 46 adequately serves as the voice of the 144,000 during the Day of the LORD.
I would be willing to turn that over in my mind to some extent. But I don’t think that there would be a parallel with the third seal and the two reapings. I see what you are getting at though, and it is not really a parallel, but a connection between types of food analogies. Like I wrote, I haven’t considered it, but I would be willing to think on it.Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests
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