I hate to say it, but nothing you have posted has contradicted my interpretation of scripture... except that the harvest is after Armageddon.
Keeping an open mind about this... i see that there is room for both interpretations... i just happen to believe that what i believe has been specifically shown to me by the Holy Spirit. Both in teachings, dreams, and one event one might
call a vision. I can not be disobedience to such divine guidance and so will simply agree to disagree with you.
The really important things that we should take away from this discussion are these... we are gonna be here for some really bad stuff, and we need to be prepared to endure the night, without the need to buy and sell (because we wont be able to).
As for the harvest being after Armageddon... you have a real problem with order as it is shown in revelation 14. You might make the argument that the harvest/gathering of the grapes of wrath begins at the same time as the rapture/harvest. Or even if the Gathering started first, the rapture would be completed in minutes if not mere seconds, while the gathering of the nations armies to meggiddo would take days. Again... the FACT that scripture seems to contradict itself regarding the order of events means 1 or 2 possible things:
1. We are misunderstanding the phraseology and so misunderstanding how to apply what is taught to the listed events correctly in time or place.
2. We are trying to time line events that are or are nearly simultaneous or parallel, failing to recognize that narration requires an order, while observation does not.
It may even be possible for both things to be true.
In addition we must always keep in mind that it is the angels who gather tares... at the rapture described in thessalonians, and in revelation, it is Jesus himself who comes to receive his own, and we are "caught up" to meet him... no record of angels taking us to him... We are miraculously transformed, and then we go to be with him.
When are the unrighteous gathered? Well, we see that they are gathered at armageddon, but revelation shows that they are gathered by demonic spirits. After the rapture, and AFTER the battle at meggiddo, is when Jesus takes up David's throne, so the judgment of the sheep and the goats takes place at this time... apparently... and who is it that separates the sheep from the goats? It says Jesus does. hmmm...
I agree with you that Jesus comes once... But that coming may have 2-3 parts... a rapture where we are caught up to be with him, and he is seen coming in the clouds, and according to revelation enthroned on his throne
(so the first time the world sees him he is seen as a sitting ruler... We meet him, i believe scripture says we meet him in the air... not that we are gathered to him at jerusalem... so that is a bit of an issue. Where we go after that, the scripture does not say, somewhere here on earth or heaven. We next see him leading an army of the saints... on horseback
... coming to conquer, rule, and reign.... so apparently he goes to Meggiddo, destroys the armies of the nations gathered there, then goes on to the mount of olives, apparently dismounting his horse at some point, and when his foot touches the mount of olives there is a great quake that splits the mountain in two and creates and reopens the kings gate. He proceeds through this gate to take up David's throne.
So we see 3 different pictures of his arrival. One enthroned and in the clouds as he promised his disciples. One on horseback as the conquering king at the head of a vast army of US
, his saints. One as a coming king to be coronated, and take up his earthly kingdom by re-establishing and taking up David's throne.
So which coming is the one coming? Answer, they all are! We simply are not shown the bits or timing in between these three sub-events which are part of one BIG
I also think that it is important to explore something rational here. What event is it that triggers those who worship the beast to gather at Meggiddo?
Hypothetically, If the world has just witnessed the catching away of the saints (to where other than to be with him we do not know)... They all know for dead certain (pun intended) they have picked the devil's side. I suspect that they all knew this before now, but now it is beyond certainty, and they know that his next move will be to take the city of Jerusalem and establish his earthly kingdom.
Hmmmm.... Where can they stage all the armies of all the nations in preparation for an attack upon Jerusalem in order to prevent his victory? The very last place they can stop him (in their own minds) would be to prevent his coronation, or destroy him immediately thereafter. So they gather at meggiddo in order to ambush him.
Of course Jesus is not fooled, he takes his bride aside for her consummation (our oneness with him), allowing the gathering at meggiddo to be completed, and when he comes forth from the bridal chamber, the first thing he does is deal with the gathered traitors to both God and humanity at meggiddo.
From this victorious battle he goes to the mount of olives, reopens the kings gate, and re-enters the city AS KING.
I find it Ironic that the sealing of the kings gate and the placement of the muslim grave yard in front of the gate is precisely what causes the necessity of the earthquake that creates the valley by which he enters the kings gate.
In attempting to thwart prophecy, the muslims actually created the conditions needed which require Jesus to perform the prophetic events that will be fulfilled upon that day. (just an interesting aside).
Once enthroned the judgment of the living and the dead begin. This I believe is the BEMA seat judgment of Christ, where the sheep and goats are separated. The only dead that are judged at this time, from what i was taught, are the saints... those who were part of the first resurrection. The rest of the dead are not judged for 1000 years, until the GWT judgment at the end of this world.
I still think the key to understanding the tare harvest is going to be understanding where (and how) to distinguish between the "end of the age" events, and the "end of the world" events.
I am not a god or a doctor, and nothing i say should be construed as medical advice or even as correct. I am merely a living soul who is exercising my unalienable rights, endowed upon me by my creator, and recognized in the Constitution for the united States of America, to freely speak about the things i believe. No other soul should grant my words any weight without first determining their credibility and/or accuracy for themselves.