The next few days ahead

[mrgravyard49]

Tho I am not a big believer in a Rosh Hashanah rapture I wonder with all that is going on, COULD this be the week??
I think before God turns back his attention to the jews we have to be out of here and isnt there little space between the rapture and the 70th week?......................

On a side note,, "My off the wall thinking" Seeing how Obama is in charge of the peace talks, I wonder after we go,, War breaks out,, Psalm 83 leading to EZ: 38 and after its all done Obama continues with and finally gets the Deal Done?

[Keeping Alert]

Could very well be

[Resurrection Torchlight]

There is no way of knowing, but I am ready- any day now, Lord Jesus come soon!

RT

[mrgravyard49]

Well even if its not this week, I believe in my heart we are gone before the end of 2011..

[Keeping Alert]

This year's RH happens to be on a sabbath... which may or may not have significance... just saying...

[Reborn]

According to HebCal & the Jewish news sites I go to (Y'net, Haaretz, JPost, etc) the Feast of Trumpets begins on sundown this coming Wednesday night and goes through to Thursday evening at sundown. In other words, the first full day of RH would be on Thursday (September 9th).

http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2010 ... t+Calendar

[jgilberAZ]

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Wednesday is my birthday. Just sayin ...

[watching]

I think it all depends on whether RH will have more than one fulfillment, just as so many other feasts may also have/will have.

[watching]

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Wednesday is my birthday. Just sayin ...

That would be some birthday surprise! Wouldn't it?

[Keeping Alert]

This year's RH happens to be on a sabbath... which may or may not have significance... just saying...

According to HebCal & the Jewish news sites I go to (Y'net, Haaretz, JPost, etc) the Feast of Trumpets begins on sundown this coming Wednesday night and goes through to Thursday evening at sundown. In other words, the first full day of RH would be on Thursday (September 9th).

http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2010 ... t+Calendar

That's how much I am of a date watcher

[notworthcomparing]

I am a believer in Christ's fulfillment of the Fall Holidays. He certainly fulfilled the Spring holidays during his life on earth (Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Pentecost). I believe in the Rapture of the church and the second coming He will fulfill the Fall Holidays.

This is on my mind a lot this week. I appreciate your post. This is week has my full attention.

3 more hours until the start of Rosh Hoshanna!!

Ezekiel 38-39

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/162/383/ ... inent.html

[burien1]

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Wednesday is my birthday. Just sayin ...

Happy Birthday, jgiberAZ !!!

Hope you have a wonderful, GOD blessed day !

[jgilberAZ]

I, too, believe Christ will fulfill all the fall feasts just like he fulfilled all the spring feasts ... in order, in one year.

Carry on.

- Jeff

[Reborn]

This year's RH happens to be on a sabbath... which may or may not have significance... just saying...

According to HebCal & the Jewish news sites I go to (Y'net, Haaretz, JPost, etc) the Feast of Trumpets begins on sundown this coming Wednesday night and goes through to Thursday evening at sundown. In other words, the first full day of RH would be on Thursday (September 9th).

http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2010 ... t+Calendar

That's how much I am of a date watcher

Keeping Alert, that happens to me to, lol. I try to ponder various possible dates with interest but also from a nice, safe distance as well. The only dates I bite into wholeheartedly are the ones I buy at the store.

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Wednesday is my birthday. Just sayin ...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!

[Abiding in His Word]

Happy Birthday, jgilberAZ !

[Spreading Salt]

Happy Birthday JgilberAZ!!!!!!!

I'm looking up every day until He calls us home.

[watching]

The only dates I bite into wholeheartedly are the ones I buy at the store.

I'd be a little careful there, Reborn, don't they have a giant pit in them?

[watching]

Happy Birthday, jgilberAZ!

I was hoping for a bigger surprise for you today, but I guess this will have to do for now.

[Reborn]

The only dates I bite into wholeheartedly are the ones I buy at the store.

I'd be a little careful there, Reborn, don't they have a giant pit in them?

Naw. First you take that pit out and put a pecan in its place. YUM!!!!!!!

HAPPY FEAST OF TRUMPETS EVERYONE!

[drdos]

Well based on everybody's opinion that Christ may return tomorrow or tonight. I decided to go shopping for a Ferrari 550 Barchetta today and buy it. Hopefully my un-believing relatives (Who I have prayed for for years) will forgive me for sticking them with the bill!

[dolfseal]

The date for Rosh Hashanah is set so the world can observe it at one time. The true Rosh Hashanah according to the Bible is when the new moon is sighted. The sighting of the new moon will not happen until between tomorrow evening(friday Sep 10) and Saturday morning Israel time. This will happen around the Sabath.
Here is food for thought; According to Genesis, I define the Governor of Night as created by God to be Satan. The governor of Light would be Christ. When the new moon is first sighted, is this a representation of the Anti-Christ being revealed to the world? Christ was the light of the world when He was here, we are in the midst of darkness until He returns, would the final 7 years kicking off start on a new moon to depict the master of darkness starting his short reign?
I discovered that a true new moon has zero visibility, not until a few days after is the first sliver seen.

[jgilberAZ]

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/karaite_korner_news/message/502

Karaite Korner Newsletter #476

New Moon Report
Seventh Biblical Month
Part 1

On Thursday September 9, 2010 observers looked for the new moon from Jerusalem,
Ramle, Tekoa (Kefar Eldad), Aminadav Forest, and Mount Hezekiah in the Eilat
Mountains but the moon was not visible from any of these locations around
Israel. At Mount Hezekiah we had a clear horizon and used binoculars to try and
locate the moon (even though a binoculars sighting alone would not count). The
moon was not visible from Israel, not with the naked eye and not even through
binoculars. This means the biblical month and the festival of Yom Teruah will
begin Friday night September 10. We will look for the moon tomorrow night and
report our observation. However, a lunar month can only be 29 or 30 days and
therefore the tomorrow night will be new moon day by default.

Nehemia Gordon
Jerusalem, Israel

[jgilberAZ]

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And, just to confuse things more ...

http://www.franknelte.net/Nelte_HTML/CALENDAR%20DATA2009.htm

I found this about a year ago. It's an attempt to determine the actual dates of the feasts based on the biblical requirements for observing them (equinox, moon phases, etc).

There are three types of "markers" that God has established, all of them in the sky. One marker is sunset, another marker is a lunar conjunction, and the third marker is the spring equinox. Sunset (i.e. a specific sunset) is God's marker for starting the weekly Sabbath. Lunar conjunctions (specific ones) are God's markers for determining the annual Feasts and Holy Days. And the spring equinox is God's marker for determining the start of a new year.

In the same way as it would be totally inappropriate to "average out" sunset times, God's markers for the weekly Sabbath, so likewise is it totally inappropriate to "average out" lunar conjunctions, God's markers for determining His annual observances. And in the same way it is equally inappropriate to "average out" (or just plain ignore!) the time of the spring equinox, God's marker for determining the start of a new year. These last two points eliminate the Jewish calendar molads as possible markers for the annual observances, as well as eliminating them for determining the start of a new year. Molads are only "averaged out" values in a system which callously disregards the occurrences of the spring equinoxes.

The weekly Sabbath never starts before sunset. And the annual observances should never start before the conjunction. And the year should never start before the spring equinox marker has been met. Starting either category of observances before the God-ordained marker has been met would attempt to set apart some of the time that preceded that marker, time that was neither identified nor set apart for consideration by God.

So today any church member can easily carry out the following 7 steps:

1. Look up the date and time for the first conjunction after the spring equinox.
2. Convert this to local Jerusalem time.
3. Determine whether this is before or after sunset in Jerusalem.
4. Select the sunset that FOLLOWS the conjunction to be the start of Day 1 of the first month of the year.
5. Apply the instructions in Leviticus 23 to determine the dates for Passover, Unleavened Bread and Pentecost.
6. Follow the same process for the seventh conjunction.
7. Apply the instructions in Leviticus 23 to determine the dates for Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles and the Last Great Day.

AND THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO IT! THAT IS IT!

Here's what he says concerning the Feast of Trumpets in 2010:

YEAR: 2010

TIME OF THE EQUINOX = March 20, 19:57 (7:57 p.m.)
FIRST NEW MOON IN THE SPRING = April 14, 14:50 (2:50 p.m.)
THE DAY OF THAT FIRST NEW MOON = April 14
FIRST DAY OF THE FIRST MONTH = April 15
PASSOVER (14TH DAY) = April 28
FIRST DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD = April 29
SEVENTH DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD = May 5
PENTECOST = June 20

SEVENTH NEW MOON OF THE YEAR = October 7, 21:05 (9:05 p.m.)
THE DAY OF THAT SEVENTH NEW MOON = October 8
FIRST DAY OF THE SEVENTH MONTH = October 9
THE HOLY DAY OF TRUMPETS = October 9
THE HOLY DAY OF ATONEMENT = October 18
FIRST DAY OF TABERNACLES = October 23
LAST GREAT DAY = October 30

[missionary]

I'm a little confused - what does he mean by "conjunction"? I thought each new moon needed to be physically "sighted" before it could be declared? How then does he figure out the whole year's dates until someone has seen the moon each month?

[missionary]

Ok, but all my mathmatical ineptitude aside, this is kind of weird.... or cool... just for fun I went to time and date calculator, and typed in his dates from what he says Trumpets is this year, Oct. 8th - to September 30, 2017 (Atonement according to him) - it came out exactly to 2550! Crazy....

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duratio ... 2017&ti=on

[b]Duration calculation results[/b]
From and including: Friday, October 8, 2010
To and including: Saturday, September 30, 2017

It is 2550 days from the start date to the end date, end date included

Or 6 years, 11 months, 23 days including the end date



I still don't understand how he thinks NEXT month is the seventh moon though. How is everyone else (including the Karaites) wrong?

I'll stop mumbling now....

[jgilberAZ]

You'll have to read the link for a detailed description of his methodology/reasoning.

That said ...

Conjuction ...

A lunar conjunction is the event when the earth, moon and sun, in that order, are approximately in a straight line. (See conjunction (astronomy) for a precise definition.) It is sometimes referred to as the new moon, though traditionally and Biblically new moon refers to observance by earth bound individuals of the first visible crescent of rebuilding moon light. The period of time between two lunar conjunctions is the synodic month, which is a basic unit in most lunar and lunisolar calendars such as the Islamic calendar and the Hebrew calendar.

[jgilberAZ]

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Here, this will help:

http://www.seasky.org/astronomy/astronomy_calendar_2010.html

2010 Vernal Equinox = March 20
Next new moon (1st month) = April 14
Next new moon (2nd month) = May 14
Next new moon (3rd month) = June 12
Next new moon (4th month) = July 11
Next new moon (5th month) = August 10
Next new moon (6th month) = September 8
Next new moon (7th month) = October 7
Next new moon (8th month) = November 6
Next new moon (9th month) = December 5
Next new moon (10th month) = January 4
Next new moon (11th month) = February 3
Next new moon (12th month) = March 4
2011 Vernal Equinox = March 20
Next new moon (1st month) = April 3

etc, etc

The issue, though, is that there's no biblical support for starting the year with the vernal equinox. The start of the year is determined by the barley harvest ... the next new moon after the first ripe barley ... which is around the time of the vernal equinox, but not always.

http://www.yrm.org/equinox_or_barley.htm

Some ignore barley altogether and set Abib 1 according to the vernal equinox. The vernal equinox is that instant when the sun is directly above the earth's equator while going from the south to the north (for inhabitants of the northern hemisphere). It is the time that most people take as the definition of the beginning of spring.”

Those who employ the vernal equinox point to Genesis 1:14, claiming that the sun, moon, and stars set the Feasts. It is true that the sun divides day from night and establishes the seasons, while the new moon sets the beginning of months. Yet, nowhere in the entire Bible can one find where the vernal equinox establishes Abib. We can go even further and say unequivocally that nowhere in the Bible is there even any mention of the vernal equinox. To say that Genesis 1:14 refers to the vernal equinox is reading into Scripture what isn't there.

Passover is related to spring through the growing cycle of crops. First and foremost, it must occur in the month of Abib. And Abib is a condition of grain as much as it is a time of the year. The King James Version has led some astray in the way it translates moed in Exodus 13:10, Num. 9:2, 3, 7, and 13. The KJV uses "season" in these verses, causing some to believe that the command is specifically for springtime, and therefore must involve the vernal equinox. In reality, the Hebrew moed simply means "set time" or "appointed time." Yahweh has set Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread by the criteria of the crops, not by a purely astronomical reckoning known as the vernal equinox.

The vast majority of Jews gradually got away from actually looking for the green ears of barley, going instead by a calculated calendar that involved the vernal equinox. This was done for the sake of convenience. But Yahweh tells us that His growing cycle reveals the proper month for His Feasts.

And, the Karaite group determined the start of the year based on the barley sighting:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/karaite_korner_news/message/476

Karaite Korner Newsletter #452

Aviv Found in Jordan Valley!

This morning (March 12, 2010) we found Aviv barley in the Jordan Valley in two
fields just north of the Israeli army checkpoint. We took three samplings from
these fields and they were 90-100% Aviv. I posted two videos of these fields on
Youtube, taken with my new Flip MinoHD video camera:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQFFrPPymS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBSl2aEoHk

We also found Aviv barley further south in the Jordan Valley and smaller
quantities near Ein Mabua.

Thanks to Devorah Gordon and Shoshanah Waterman for participating in this
preliminary Aviv excursion. The main Aviv Search will still go ahead on March
16-17 but what we found so far is already enough to call it for this year. This
means the new biblical year will begin on March 17, 2010 at sunset.

I think the Karaite's are correct, IMHO.

- Jeff

[missionary]

According to Mr. Nelte we are to:

"1.[i] Look up the date and time for the first conjunction after the spring equinox[/i]."

This is where I'm having a hard time - where in scripture does it say this equinox is one of "God's markers"?

I understand his saying that sunsets and new moons (conjunctions) are markers, but this third one of the equinox - I dunno. It doesn't have any biblical foundation that I'm aware of, and I can't find any evidence that he offers to show otherwise. So the new moon of March 14th was counted as the first in Israel this year- except that if Frank believes we can't count them before March 21st (the spring equinox), we have to wait until the next one - which was April 14th, therefore his 7th new moon is October, not September.

So is this valid? Thoughts?

Ha - I saw you posted as I was posting..... I think we agree where the issue is.

[missionary]

http://truthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... er-8-2010/

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[Keeping Alert]

Just did a quick scan but that is really just a few days ahead.... in any case... Maranatha!

[Waiting4Jesus]

I believe with all my heart we will be Raptured BEFORE May 14, 2011.

Israel was reborn as a nation on May 14, 1948.
Plus 70 years equals 2018
Minus 7 for the Tribulation...
...leaves May 14, 2011

MARANATHA, I am more than ready to go POOF!!!!!