I Saw the Tribulation

[Cantaress4Him]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQa-hRJVado

What do you all think of this?

[4givenmuch]

I am on tape 3 and so far it is fascinating. The Lord has spoken to me in dreams about specific events too, so I feel like I am watching a kindred spirit thus far . . .

[Resurrection Torchlight]

I watched the whole thing- first of all this guy is not pre-trib, it sounds like he might be post trib. Secondly I kept waiting for him to speak the word of God, but for the most part, except for a couple passages he mentioned, he did not back anything he said up with scripture. This to me is a red flag, when someone puts their dream/vision on an equal footing with God's word. It seems that what he says correlates to scripture, but there are a couple things he says that don't jive. He says something about televisions being able to watch people in their homes and that every TV manufactured after 1992 as this capability. Supposedly an engineer friend told him that whatever a device is engineered to do, it can also do in reverse. My husband is an electrical engineer and this is absolutely not true, a TV cannot watch you unless it has a camera engineered into it.(Now your laptop can do so if it has a web cam built into it). It cannot listen to you unless it has microphones built into it. People have debunked this idea, having taken apart their TV's and finding no evidence of these so called devices. So this part of what he says is not true.

He also says something to the effect that because the churches in America are so dead, that he doesn't want to minister to them any more. He also asks "who is more important, the average person who is faithfully following Jesus" or the (pastor) who "sits around just reading and praying". I got the sense that he thinks this way because he has been rejected by mainline churches and pastors. But even if not, he is putting the reading of the word and prayer down, while lifting up works. Not all are prophets, there are also pastors, teachers, evangelists and they should have his respect. This comment just rubbed me the wrong way. And the idea that the American church is dead, even though I think there are a lot of dead churches in America and around the world, I do not think that every church in the country is totally without life.

He also mentions past experiences with demons and witches manifesting themselves to him, this is also a red flag to me saying he was able to ward them off (this before he was saved) but now they don't bother him so much because he has learned to pray. In my experience people who have these demonic experiences have opened a door somewhere in their lives, either through drug use, or experimentation with the occult or being raised in a family that was into the occult. This makes me wonder if these dreams and supposed knowledge of things really came from God or from beings masquerading as angels of light.

Don't get me wrong- I believe that God can reveal things through dreams and visions, but in my opinion, His word still takes pre-eminence.Ken Peters says all along do not follow men- follow God. But the fact that he is there telling his dream and vision without really speaking God's word at all at least IMO really isn't drawing people toward God but toward himself. In the end he talks about how after he got saved- he began knowing things again like he did as a boy. It seemed to me that this was more relevant to him than his salvation experience which he again seemed to downplay, saying he really didn't even know what he was doing at the time.

I am not sure in the end what to make of him and his dreams. He had two dreams while he was unsaved, dreams that led to his salvation. These dreams seem to correlate to end time events. Though he said nothing about anything that happened in these dreams that was yet future and could be substantiated by current events only things that have happened prior to 2005.

I tend to look at all these type of things with a healthy dose of skepticism, because there is no way to verify them. There is no way to know if these dreams came from the Lord, there is no way to even know if he really even had these dreams. There is no one to vouch for this man's character or relationship with the Lord. It may or may not all be true. I myself would say study God's word- consult those you know have spiritual wisdom and insight and understanding of the word-it is all you need, we should have faith enough that we do not need dreams and visions about things the scriptures already tell us about. Do not look to so- called prophets to interpret the word of God- look to the word itself, because it is the one thing you can trust to be accurate.

RT

[Jericho]

I've watched most of it last night. I take these kind of things with a grain of salt, but it does make you think. I'm curious tho if he claimed to have seen the AC why he didn't give a more detailed physical description of him.

[Cantaress4Him]

Wow, RT!!! What a thorough and well-written response! I appreciate that. I first watched this video about a year ago and am leaning towards the belief that the dream/vision very well could have been given to him by God. But, like you, there were a few of things he said that rubbed me the wrong way.

For one, as you said, it does seem that he is not pre-trib, although to me, the dream smacks of a pre-trib rapture. Just because he didn't see people getting raptured in the dream doesn't mean it wasn't going on ... and that that particular part just wasn't shown to him. The Bible specifically says that when the dead in Christ are resurrected, then Believers who are alive will be caught up (raptured) ... and will then meet them in the air with Christ. (I Thes. 4:17)

Also, the old man he met said that he was sad because he had not prepared for the time of the Lord. On the contrary, if he HAD prepared for the time of the Lord, then I guess he wouldn't still be on earth. What else does he think would be the opposite of that statement?

Also, people were asking "where did these people go?" He said that the "antichrist" figure said that "this removal of people was God's judgment upon them." This sounds to me as if he was talking about live people who disappeared, not those that were resurrected.

Those were the main three things that puzzled me, because I would have concluded as I stated above if I had had this dream. But, I'm of a different rapture view than he is, so I guess that's why.

I tend to look at all these type of things with a healthy dose of skepticism, because there is no way to verify them. There is no way to know if these dreams came from the Lord, there is no way to even know if he really even had these dreams. There is no one to vouch for this man's character or relationship with the Lord. It may or may not all be true. I myself would say study God's word- consult those you know have spiritual wisdom and insight and understanding of the word-it is all you need, we should have faith enough that we do not need dreams and visions about things the scriptures already tell us about. Do not look to so- called prophets to interpret the word of God- look to the word itself, because it is the one thing you can trust to be accurate.

Amen, RT. Thanks again for your reply.

Any other thoughts on this video?

[Cantaress4Him]

I'm curious tho if he claimed to have seen the AC why he didn't give a more detailed physical description of him.

Yeah, I know. I wish he would have.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

Also, the old man he met said that he was sad because he had not prepared for the time of the Lord. On the contrary, if he HAD prepared for the time of the Lord, then I guess he wouldn't still be on earth. What else does he think would be the opposite of that statement?

Yeah the other thing was how he kept saying that there was a world wide mourning going on because these people disappeared. Why would people mourn the disappearance of the dead? They have already been mourned over. Why would people be in such a state of shock over dead bodies disappearing?? I could understand some sense of disbelief and confusion but shock and mournfulness and chaos. Also he was very clear in saying that he believed that christians will go through the tribulation, he mentioned Noah and Lot and how they were not caught up into the clouds.

He also talked about how the old man was gathering all these babies and small children to himself. If he did dream this at all, perhaps these might represent those newly saved after the rapture, babes in faith, not literal babies. But again I take it all with a grain of salt.

RT

[Cantaress4Him]

He also talked about how the old man was gathering all these babies and small children to himself. If he did dream this at all, perhaps these might represent those newly saved after the rapture, babes in faith, not literal babies.

Interesting interpretation! This is what I thought about that part of the dream:

Perhaps there were no children over the age of 18 months or so because he was 18 months or so into the tribulation at this point in the dream. Maybe all the children got raptured along with the Christians at the beginning of the tribulation period? And the children that were being abandoned were born to those who were left behind.

Lots of interesting speculation!

[4givenmuch]

I keep trying to remember he was NOT saved when he had the dream and came from a Catholic background so the circle of people he knew might fall into the "dead" category. Also, this was filmed in 2005 I think and believe it or not, no one was talking about the end like they are now. I remember asking my husband just two years ago "why is no one preaching on this?" and now, he (my husband not quite into it the way I am) can't get away from it no matter where he turns. :)

I do agree the rapture had to have happened when the dead in Christ rose. Those babies must be spiritual newbies.

When I have dreams from the Lord, I am usually in the mix endangered or my children are but I find the dream doesn't really have to do with us. I think He does it so I will "pay attention." JMHO