The Rapture, No Later Than update

[Douggg]

I don't know how many of you have been hammered by the stock market, and global financial crisis. But me I am
left a little numb by all of it. There is a lot of anxiety in this world right now. Sometimes a person gets so beat down by the troubles of this world, that they just want to sit down and cry. My heart goes out to anyone who might be hurting right now. May Jesus be with us all.

Let's look at what is going on from a biblical perspective, too see if it makes us feel any better. Oh yes, it does.

Is this part of what is supposed to happen at this particular time in history to make a climate right for the Antichrist?

I think so. Nations are perplexed. Troubles on all sides.

So what I did was to calculate the no later than timeframe for the pretrib Rapture. I base my thinking on the year Israel became a nation again - May 14, 1948. I also was born that year, btw. I use 70 years as the maximum length of a generation in our era after flood. Of course, the generation that sees the budding of the fig tree will not pass away until all things regarding the end times in Matthew 24 are fulfilled. And it looks like to me, we are right on track, with this latest global crisis - I never seen anything like it in my life.

So 1948 + 70 years = May 14, 2018 Jesus returns by, no later than. We don't know the exact time becasue the Antichrist has not confirmed the covenant with many to start those last 7 years.

For us pretribbers, more great news, in spite of this global financial crises that has me for one stressed out , that is May 14, 2018 minus the 7 years = May 14, 2011 as the Rapture should happen sometime before then. And world events point toward it happening before then.

And that is only 2 years, 7 months, 2 days.....at a maximum !!!!

Now some critics may say I am creating false hope and maybe a big let down. Well, it is a theory, and not a guarantee from my part. Nonetheless, it makes me feel a lot better that the troubles of this world will soon be "left behind....because I have a reasonable basis.

Okay, so let's be looking up and encouraging one another.

With Love,

Doug L.

[Nocturne]

the belief that a biblical 'generation' is only 70 years isnt' correct in my opinion.

[Douggg]

the belief that a biblical 'generation' is only 70 years isnt' correct in my opinion.

Well, what is the correct length of a generation in your opinion?

Sincerely,

Doug L.

[kyle]

the belief that a biblical 'generation' is only 70 years isnt' correct in my opinion.

Well, what is the correct length of a generation in your opinion?

Sincerely,

Doug L.

Personally, I would say until the entire generation dies off.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

I would say that a no- later than date for the rapture to occur before the 70th week- would have to be sometime within this Hebrew year which we are now currently in. Which is the first year in the count toward the sabbath year. Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks is in terms of Sabbath years. IMO the last week- is referring to the 7 year count towards a sabbath year. Of course I could be wrong- but that is how Daniel would have understood it. If it doesn't happen within this Hebrew year (beginning in October) then IMO we will have to wait another 7 years until the next cycle begins.

As for the length of a generation- I would say it is not seventy years- a generation is determined by measuring the age of the parent at the time a first child is born. I don't think it's possible in our day to say that an average parent gives birth to their firstborn when they are 70. The average length of a generation biblically is between 40 and 50 years. (I did the math on this based on biblical chronology) In our day it is about 20-30 years, though it is moving toward a higher average. However the passage in Matthew 24:34 IMO is not necessarily referencing the length of a generation, but that the generation who is witness to certain events will not die before seeing prophecy fulfilled. So that would then be speaking to lifespan and not generation, the average world lifespan is between 65 and 70 according to this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1977733.stm.

In Israel it is about 80 years. http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/

RT

[Douggg]

Well, we are under a year! May 14, 2011, the AC should confirm the covenant, which means the rapture should happen before then.

Doug L.

[Nocturne]

If it doesn't happen by your date, is God a liar then? I think that we are given the season, but not the date. There have been dozens, if not hundreds of people who have date-set, and they have been wrong. Some biblical generations were well over 100 years. if counting from 1948, that would make it at least 2048. What if you count from 1967? Or what if our timline of what date we count from is not God's timeline? Those scenarios would give us a lot longer. Longer than some people here will live. We don't know the length of our life. Christ may not come back during our lifetime, and we need to live as if He may not, and hope that He will.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

I agree, that we cannot really know for certain when the Lord will come, when the rapture will take place, though it certainly does seem as if things are falling in place to fulfill prophecy. However many who came before us thought the same thing, they saw things happening that they thought would fulfill prophecy. I think that as we watch we need to keep it all in perspective realizing that it may or may not happen as we think. The point is to always be eagerly awaiting the hope of His coming. Every true believer that ever lived, even in Old testament times eagerly awaited the arrival of God's kingdom and reign on earth. Their hope was that the Lord would come in their lifetimes, even the disciples thought this. They could not have known that thousands of years would pass before it would might be fulfilled. We do not know if it will happen today, this year, in our lifetimes or hundreds of years in the future, there is just no possible way to know absolutely, though as I said things do seem to be falling into place.

IMO some of the most compelling signs are not talked about much, one of them speaks more to the nearness of the Lord's coming than others and that is the passage of the earth through the constellations. The heavens are a witness to God's divine plan, even the pagans know this and have known this for centuries. When scripture speaks of the end of the ages, it is IMO speaking to this idea. The end of the age of Aries, Pisces, Aquarius etc... No one knows for certain when exactly one "age" ends and the next begins, but it is clear from the witness of the stars, that the age of Pisces is coming to an end and with it the dispensation of grace (the fisherman is Christ, the two fish represent IMO Jew and gentile) The age of Aquarius is the constellation of the water bearer, water = Holy Spirit. When Christ will reign.The "ages" IMO represent dispensations . Of course this is speculation on my part but history speaks to it and the the stars themselves do as well. Therefore IMO it cannot be long, the Lord will come soon, just as He said, "soon" being a relative term.

So don't give up watching and hoping

RT

[kazbo]

That was interesting, RT, thanks for posting it.

[Douggg]

If it doesn't happen by your date, is God a liar then? I think that we are given the season, but not the date. There have been dozens, if not hundreds of people who have date-set, and they have been wrong. Some biblical generations were well over 100 years. if counting from 1948, that would make it at least 2048. What if you count from 1967? Or what if our timline of what date we count from is not God's timeline? Those scenarios would give us a lot longer. Longer than some people here will live. We don't know the length of our life. Christ may not come back during our lifetime, and we need to live as if He may not, and hope that He will.

Why the scarcaism? God is not a liar. You don't need to say that,if you disagree. Jesus did give us the parable of the fig tree, and it is he who referred to a generation, not me. So take it up with him, if he should not have said it.... such that none of us would know what he meant. What did Jesus say to the Jews regarding the time of his visitation?

If I am wrong, I am simply wrong and nothing more. I don't know what specific date. I am stating that the season is now and "not later than" May 14, 2011, for the rapture. The rapture could take place in the next second.

1967 could be the base date and not 1948. I believe that 1948 is the base date because that is when Israel became a nation again and the fig tree represents Israel (the other trees in Luke 21:29 represents the other nations identified with the end times). And Gog/Magog takes place the final days right before the 7 years time of the AC based upon Israel having returned from the nations, not Jerusalem, which is not mentioned in Ezekiel 38/39.

From my opening post in this thread I state that it is a theory...

"Now some critics may say I am creating false hope and maybe a big let down. Well, it is a theory, and not a guarantee from my part. Nonetheless, it makes me feel a lot better that the troubles of this world will soon be "left behind....because I have a reasonable basis."

The bible indicates, imo, that a generation is three score and ten from Pslams 90. That was back in David's generation.

Do you know how old King David was when he died? 70 years old (2 Samuel 5:4). Doesn't that tell you something about the length of a generation?

How long did Jeremiah say that the Jews would be in captivity? 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11-12). And at the end of the 70 years, God says He will punish the king of Babylon, a role name for the Antichrist as well.

11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

So I could be wrong. But I have a lot of reasons to believe that I am right.


Doug L.

[Jericho]

Could it be that 2018 is the start and not the end of the tribulation?

[Douggg]

Could it be that 2018 is the start and not the end of the tribulation?

No, not if the base date is 1948 and the length of a generation is 70 years are correct. In the parable of the fig tree, Jesus said all of the things he had given would be fulfilled (Matthew 24:34) including His Return.

Doug L.

[GodsStudent]

Isn't God's jubilee year 2018? Daniel's timeline indicated this.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

Isn't God's jubilee year 2018? Daniel's timeline indicated this.

I would think that a jubilee year would coincide with Yeshua's physical return to set things right...but I could be wrong.

[Waiting4Jesus]

Well, we are under a year! May 14, 2011, the AC should confirm the covenant, which means the rapture should happen before then.

Doug L.

I agree!!!

[Dusty]

Could it be that 2018 is the start and not the end of the tribulation?

No, not if the base date is 1948 and the length of a generation is 70 years are correct. In the parable of the fig tree, Jesus said all of the things he had given would be fulfilled (Matthew 24:34) including His Return.

Doug L.

Douggg, I agree with you that this sounds like a definite possibility. I boil things down pretty much the same way. Still like you, if things don't happen that way and we are still waiting after that date, our faith will not falter. We will continue to trust Him and continue to expect Him.

[notworthcomparing]

Interesting posts.

I tend to agree, but at the end of the day I don't know. I posted something similiar awhile back on my own blog. unsealed.org (September 29th).

I read a book that was interesting, in regarding to Jewish feasts. My post:

Greg's guess:

Today 9/29/2010 Ukraine honors victims of the holocaust 69 years ago.

9/29/2011 will be 70 years.

1948 (rebirth of the nation of Israel) + 63 = 2011

Rosh Hashanah 2011 - 9/29

There are those who believe the church will be raptured on Rosh Hashanah. Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts at his first coming (Passovoer-Crucifixion, Unleavened Bread-Grave, First Fruits-Easter, Pentecost-Institution of the church). He will fulfill the fall feasts in the future (Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashanah-Rapture, Day of Atonement, Feast of Booths - when God will once again tabernacle with His people-1000 year reign).

2011 + 7 years of tribulation takes you to judgement in 2018, when Israel is 70 years old.

Who knows. Tension grows. Trouble comes and 70 is a very round number.

Jewish Holidays/Feasts

Passover - Crucifiction of Christ
Unleaven Bread - Burial of Christ
First Fruits - Resurrection of Christ
Pentecost - Holy Spirit given by Christ

Trumpets - Rapture by Christ (thief in the night). Before our advanced astronomy, no one knew the day or the hour of the new moon. Watchmen stared intently waiting for the sign in the sky. When Jesus is asked, "what will be the sign" and He replies "no one knows the day or the hour". This is a direct reference to watching the sky. When the sign appears the trumpets are blown. See also 1 Thess 4 (with the trumpet call of God).

Antonement - Return of Christ (every eye shall see him)
Tabernacles - birth of Christ and 1,000 year reign of Christ (God tabernacles/dwells with us)

The tension in this world is palpable. Just waiting for something to pop or a shout and a trumpet.

[Dusty]

Excellent post notworthcomparing. Thanks.

[benny balerio]

I don't know how many of you have been hammered by the stock market, and global financial crisis. But me I am
left a little numb by all of it. There is a lot of anxiety in this world right now. Sometimes a person gets so beat down by the troubles of this world, that they just want to sit down and cry. My heart goes out to anyone who might be hurting right now. May Jesus be with us all.

Let's look at what is going on from a biblical perspective, too see if it makes us feel any better. Oh yes, it does.

Is this part of what is supposed to happen at this particular time in history to make a climate right for the Antichrist?

I think so. Nations are perplexed. Troubles on all sides.

So what I did was to calculate the no later than timeframe for the pretrib Rapture. I base my thinking on the year Israel became a nation again - May 14, 1948. I also was born that year, btw. I use 70 years as the maximum length of a generation in our era after flood. Of course, the generation that sees the budding of the fig tree will not pass away until all things regarding the end times in Matthew 24 are fulfilled. And it looks like to me, we are right on track, with this latest global crisis - I never seen anything like it in my life.

So 1948 + 70 years = May 14, 2018 Jesus returns by, no later than. We don't know the exact time becasue the Antichrist has not confirmed the covenant with many to start those last 7 years.

For us pretribbers, more great news, in spite of this global financial crises that has me for one stressed out , that is May 14, 2018 minus the 7 years = May 14, 2011 as the Rapture should happen sometime before then. And world events point toward it happening before then.

And that is only 2 years, 7 months, 2 days.....at a maximum !!!!

Now some critics may say I am creating false hope and maybe a big let down. Well, it is a theory, and not a guarantee from my part. Nonetheless, it makes me feel a lot better that the troubles of this world will soon be "left behind....because I have a reasonable basis.

Okay, so let's be looking up and encouraging one another.

With Love,

Doug L.

Psalm 90:10
The length of our days is seventy years--or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.
We do not know the day or the hour,...but we will recognize the general time era.
There are two things that will be present when the rapture occurrs,....one being the coming false peace,..with Israel convinced that she is in peace and safety with her walls defenced.
Two an established confederation of 10 nations/leaders that must be present before Russia and the Islamic nations attack Israel in the Ezekiel 38 battle.
Also,..I would like to add that the attitude coming from the E.U. towards Israel, in relation of the current peace negotiations will change once Israel aquires the Land God promised Abraham ...I believe this will come to pass through the Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 battle.
The established false peace cannot occur overnight...but that I believe would take some time.
Enough time that it even convinces Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarish that a peace has been established.

[notworthcomparing]

Related thought regarding our years are 70.

I believe Jesus was 35 when He died and rose again. I follow the BethlehemStar.net analysis June 17th, 2BC to April 3rd, 33AD. Regardless, He was about 30 when he began His ministry and died 3 1/2 years later (Luke 3:23).

A 35 year life and a 3 1/2 year ministry are only half of 70 and 7. Interesting to me. Wondering how, if at all, this might impact the work left to do and the prophetic calendar.

[david]

Related thought regarding our years are 70.

I believe Jesus was 35 when He died and rose again. I follow the BethlehemStar.net analysis June 17th, 2BC to April 3rd, 33AD. Regardless, He was about 30 when he began His ministry and died 3 1/2 years later (Luke 3:23).

A 35 year life and a 3 1/2 year ministry are only half of 70 and 7. Interesting to me. Wondering how, if at all, this might impact the work left to do and the prophetic calendar.

I watched that movie "The BethkehemStar" I really enjoyed it, great information and more than likely the truth.
Good information you posted there. Christ was cut off after 3.5 years of ministry, he was the covenant, the old covenant was symbolically destroyed by an earth quake when the curtain was torn in two. Jesus will return to "consummate" or complete the covenant with his bride. He is the covenant with the many we are looking for.

[benny balerio]

Related thought regarding our years are 70.

I believe Jesus was 35 when He died and rose again. I follow the BethlehemStar.net analysis June 17th, 2BC to April 3rd, 33AD. Regardless, He was about 30 when he began His ministry and died 3 1/2 years later (Luke 3:23).

A 35 year life and a 3 1/2 year ministry are only half of 70 and 7. Interesting to me. Wondering how, if at all, this might impact the work left to do and the prophetic calendar.

I watched that movie "The BethkehemStar" I really enjoyed it, great information and more than likely the truth.
Good information you posted there. Christ was cut off after 3.5 years of ministry, he was the covenant, the old covenant was symbolically destroyed by an earth quake when the curtain was torn in two. Jesus will return to "consummate" or complete the covenant with his bride. He is the covenant with the many we are looking for.

Hello david,...I just have a question,..are you suggesting that Daniels 70th week is 3 1/2 years in length?
If so,..the pre-trib section does not seem to be an appropriate place for your statement.
But,..I feel I probally have misunderstood your statement.