AoC "Social Integration" & Turkey Pleased w/ U.S.

[david]

Ankara welcomes U.S. decision to join AoC

(My two cents or twenty, the article being posted is way at the bottom.)

Today President Obama is having the U.S. sign up as a member of the Alliance of Civilizations. This monumental event is one the FP community has been cautious of ever since the AoCs inception. And now it is a reality. Of coarse it doesn’t hurt to have a national disaster on hand while the president signs us up. Look the oil spill is over here okay… you see nothing in the other hand alright…

The actions of Obama’s visit to Turkey in April 2009 spoke volumes and has made me wonder about his intentions ever since. After Obama was in office for 4 months he attended an AOC summit held in Istanbul Turkey. The Hajia Sophia was a point of interest for the president; it’s also the palace where the “Head of Islam” is kept, the flag. You see the flag can only fly if they have a King or Caliph to unite them all; it’s the flag of Mohammad. (I’m not sure what this coincidental visit means or what could come from it, yet I do speculate.)

This “Alliance” with the US is a huge resource for Turkey as it gains the support of the most powerful nation on earth via the AOC. It looks like we have a new “Alliance” citizens of the new world. Turkey by the way has a cool spin of their own for the AOC logo.




I was wondering when this beast might start kicking again. "Ankara is pleased" well good I'm glad Turkey is happy. I wonder if it has anything to do with Turkey's position on the Palestinian Israeli conflict. You see the AOC is poised to manage the "social integration" of Palestinians with Israelis once a peace deal is signed. (See Link Below) Okay how do they plan on doing that and exactly what is in such a "proposed peace plan” that will require "social integration"? I don’t know, we will just have to stay tuned.

This article I posted in another thread tells about the AOC’s role of "Social Integration”. viewtopic.php?f=58&t=55970

Despite other NGOs and governments giving lip service of having a peace plan, I believe Obama may have the real deal sitting on his desk. Is his plan “the one”, to be signed at the proper time and “place”. We have all seen his flare for picking just the venue to make an impression. (Note: Other post exist here at FP of Obama visiting the alter of Zeus in Germany.)




While Turkey and the rest of the AoC partners gain legitimacy and more power via the US member ship. The President peace maker in chief gains more leverage and legitimacy in the Muslim world as a peace broker in the Middle East. It just may be the key he needs to bring “world peace”. He has chosen to do this through the predominantly Islamic-New Age-Secularist guided AoC.

Now would a new peace deal make the ENPI null and void? Not necessarily or at least in terms of the way we look at it. It may still be very significant as a building block or rather a block to be removed at the right time. You see if a new peace deal was signed by both Israeli and Palestinian parties before or at the mid point of the ENPI then the “New Deal” might go into full force while the old deal becomes “terminated” or “broken” at mid point. (Note: That is just a hypothetical...)

It sure looks like a long shot, but a month or two ago this would have looked impossible. Now all parties are ready to talk. It looks like all the dominoes are being set up fast; will they all be in place, in time?

Could the signing of a New Deal at the Mid-Point of the ENPI put a stop to sacrifice? How could that be? There is no present day sacrifice taking place in Israel; or is there? Research what Rabbis tell about what the Torah has to say about sacrifice and prayer. Does God desire prayer or sacrifice? Where do they pray in Israel?

Psa 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before You as incense, and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified through the Word of God and prayer.

What if the daily prayers were stopped by the terms of a new covenant while at the same the older is terminated. Could that fulfill prophecy? There are many possibilities and time lines this new peace plan could have. This new U.S. AoC relationship and coming peace talks are something certainly worth keeping an eye on.

We are possibly living in the Days of Daniel where prayer to Yahweh may become forbidden.



ARTICLE Ankara welcomes US decision to join AoC
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... n-aoc.html

The Turkish capital has voiced pleasure over a decision by Washington to join the Group of Friends of the UN-led Alliance of Civilizations (AoC) and take part in an upcoming third forum of the initiative, expressing hope that US participation will lead to further progress of the alliance.

The Obama administration announced last Thursday that it has decided to join the UN Alliance of Civilizations aimed at fostering greater cross-cultural understanding but shunned by the previous Bush administration due to fears it would adopt anti-Israeli and anti-Western stances.

The Alliance of Civilizations, a joint Spanish-Turkish initiative under the auspices of the United Nations, was created in 2005. “The Group of Friends brings together those countries and international organizations supportive of the Alliance of Civilizations’ goals and objectives. With the United States, membership in the Group of Friends has risen to 120,” the Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a written statement released on Friday.

“This latest addition to the Group of Friends will make a major contribution to the enhancement and progress of the alliance,” the ministry said. The Bush administration boycotted the group when it was founded in 2005 over concerns it would become a forum for bashing Israel and the United States. Those concerns were magnified a year later when the alliance released a report that officials in Washington said unfairly blamed Israel and the US for many of the world’s problems.

(Magnified or Justified? d)

Since President Barack Obama came to office last year, the US has slowly opened the door to informal dealings with the alliance, including attending some of its meetings as an observer.

The decision to join grows out of Obama’s desire to broaden US participation in international groups and improve its standing in the Muslim world.

17 May 2010, Monday
TODAY’S ZAMAN WITH WIRES ANKARA

[GodsStudent]

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=32113&start=400

Exit40, what say ye?

I have trouble looking at obama and then moving into the ENP midpoint scenerio, with Solana at the head on that theory.

Daffodyllady's remarks here viewtopic.php?f=18&t=55984&p=484444#p484444

I find it very interesting that the phrase "nor the desire of women," is sandwiched between "The gods of his fathers," and "nor any god." Therefore, context would greatly support "the desire of women," to actually be as the NIV says it.

New International Version (©1984)
He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.

The desire of women seems to be a god desired by women.

IMHO

Dont mean to be all over the place with this one, but wow....alot to talk about here.

[GodsStudent]

Mr. Obama seems to know just who to appoint to his staff, just who to call at any place on the world map, just what to tinker with.....the list goes on and on.

[joyfulchild]

David Brother
Not bad analysis
I am not saying I agree wholey with this scenario BUT it makes alot of sense!!

We must rem though 2 Thess 2-4

WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH THIS

[Exit40]

Exit40, what say ye?

No big surprise, is it ? This article is from 2008.

snip.

Clinton praises Gülen's contribution to interfaith dialogue

Former US President Clinton and his wife Hillary Rodham Clinton praised the contributions of Fethullah Gülen -- a prominent Turkish intellectual -- to inter-religious dialogue in a video message they sent to the event.

"By being here tonight you are contributing to lasting security at home and the world. You are promoting [the idea of] tolerance and interfaith dialogue inspired by Gülen and his transnational social movement," he said.

He also said Gülen's interfaith and intercultural dialogue activities strengthen the common values of the world and encourage the continuation of cultural and educational relations that interlink the world.

"In this interdependent world, the faiths of people on opposite sides of the globe are increasingly linked. It is critical to keep the lines of communication open as much as we can. That's why the communication between the Turkish-American community and the people of Turkey is so important," he added.

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, praised the TCC for its contributions to the relations between Turkey and the US and thanked the organizers of the event. She also wished Muslims a happy Ramadan and said the holy month has a message that fosters peace, affection and solidarity among people. (Sezai Kalaycı, Mehmet Demirci, New York)

http://www.fethullahgulen.org/press-roo ... inner.html

I posted this article a few years back, from 2007.

Aland Mizell with the University of Texas at Dallas school of social science, President of the MCI

The Rise of a New Ottoman Empire: The Trap of Interfaith Dialogue

Kurdishaspect.com - By Aland Mizell

Will Prime Minister Erdogan Give a Christmas Party with His Parliament?

After the collapse of the communism, Fethullah Gülen, the spiritual leader of the Nur movement in Turkey, ordered his group to immigrate to the newly independent Central Asian countries. Gülen compared his followers to being today’s “sahaba,” the term referring to the journey from Mecca to Medina called the Hegira in the year 622, a journey that also marked the foundation of the Islamic State. After that relocation, Muhammad set up an Islamic State and instated his rules, for example forbidding usury and gambling. He implemented his own legal rules and system of government after gaining economic and military power and then conquered his birth place, Mecca, the center of a new religion. Until then Muhammad ordered his follower to cooperate with the Jews, never confronting them because he knew that the Jews were more powerful than his followers at that time. During that time Muslims even faced Jerusalem for prayers; however, after Muhammad’s followers conquered Mecca, they began facing Mecca. For both Muhammad and Gülen building a new Muslim community was a precursor to the Islamic state, and both men merged their religious views with the political goal of following the law of the Qur’an and not “natural” or human law in the Islamic state.

In 1991, the collapse of the Soviet Union gave Gülen an opportunity to gain a base among the Turkic states that desperately needed social, economic, and religious help. Also, Gülen wanted to counter Iran’s Shia religion in Central Asia, to make an economic investment, and to build a bridge between the Turkic states and Turkey.

However, after 9/11 Gülen saw another opportunity to expand his empire beyond the ocean to convert the infidels to Islam and to set up his dream Ottoman Empire, bringing it back again. Tauted for his claim to establish ecumentical peace, he sponsors Interfaith Dialogue, non-government organizations (NGO’s), schools, cultural centers, conferences, his own newspaper, civic and cultural events, among many other strategies, using them as a platform that promotes his ultraconservative Islmaic agenda in the U.S. However, 9/11 helped Gülen in a tremendous way to teach about Islam because suddenly the words “peace” and “tolerance” were in vogue and popular. Many Americans naively do not recognize the fact that as well as being a religion, Islam is a political, social, and economic sytem that rules all aspects of life. Today Gülen believes that since the Ottoman Empire ruled the world for many centuries with peace, he wants to bring it back again. By creating big lobbies, Gülen moves toward his utimate goal of dictating American and Western social, political, and economic policies. He has recruited thousands of teachers and millions of students while raising billions of dollars in economic support.

Continued

There is a lot of controversy surrounding Gulen. He is feared by some, loved by others, and mostly unheard of as he remains in the background. No one can say he makes the decisions, or will say, of the directions his movement goes. While he is on the surface openly for interfaith dialogue his writings betray his true goal of islam being the one world religion, and that is to be accomplished by education of the youth, go ahead and call it indoctrination, and getting them placed in positions of power in business, media, the military, judicial, and government. He has deep ties to business, education, and the politics of Turkey through his Nur movement. PM Erdogan, President Gul, and likely FM Davutoglu are purported disciples of his.

http://fethullahgulen.org/

Fethullah Gulen, the Nur movement, and the Neo Ottoman Empire. WATCH THIS !!!

God Bless you

David

[kirthril]

No suprise. Herb told us that the AoC would be up and running 2010 and that we could expect the USA to join.

The only thing that suprises me is how fast we have gotten to this point. Oh... and i guess its time to prepare for extreme crackdown on "free speech", as the AoC doesnt want people claiming absolute truths, nor do they want unwanton views towards certain religions *cough*islam*cough* to be expressed.

[joyfulchild]

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God

2Thess.2-4 KJV

This is important too keep a balanced view also..

[david]

No suprise. Herb told us that the AoC would be up and running 2010 and that we could expect the USA to join.

The only thing that suprises me is how fast we have gotten to this point. Oh... and i guess its time to prepare for extreme crackdown on "free speech", as the AoC doesnt want people claiming absolute truths, nor do they want unwanton views towards certain religions *cough*islam*cough* to be expressed.

I agree, free speech will be limited soon under the fairness doctrine. Just like Michael Savage was banned from Brittan we may be seeing more of this. Does anyone know if Brittan is a member of the AoC? I maybe wrong but the woman that had him banned was associated in some way with the UN. (not that I'm a big fan or anything).

We can also expect to see a propaganda machine in the form of "Hip" educational service ads to get kick started soon correcting our thinking. I heard what had to be a pilot AoC ad sponsored by the American college education counsel. It was a rap song by a famous raper saying how "preachers preach hate down from on high". That was back in 2007, they have had three year to develop the system, it could come on real fast.

Rev 13:6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.

[david]

David Brother
Not bad analysis
I am not saying I agree wholey with this scenario BUT it makes alot of sense!!

We must rem though 2 Thess 2-4

WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH THIS

Thank you Joy,

I'm not here to displace anyone personally held theories, I'm just doing my best to show what I see, what the facts are. I still have my Solana lotto ticket myself, I like to hold a few, but not to many. Yes I did throw in a possible theory, but it's just that a possible scenario. You see if the ENPI is it then it can still fulfilled prophecy. It can still be terminated by mid point, yet time is running out fast. That still leaves an end to the daily sacrifice. Which means physical sacrifice would need to start like in the next 30 days or so. I'm not ruling that out, I never had. I just try to keep an open mind, because I am not a prophet nor could I guess exactly the way any prophecy would occure before hand and I don't know anyone that has. Not to say I think I'm in trouble here, but I do get in trouble sometimes for thinking out loud. Just ask my wife...

[revelation2012]

Now would someone in this position if they were to be the one, need to convice the Jews he is the one they have been waiting on. Would he not need to be from the Davidic line?

[david]

I was not trying to pin any roles with this post. To me though Obama looks more like the mouth... but what do I know...

Rev.2012 Maybe I'm not sure, I think you have to work at the scripture to have the A/C come from the Davidic line. There are Jews scattered all over the earth so he could come from anywhere. Maybe someone else has a line on that.

david

[revelation2012]

I was not trying to pin any roles with this post. To me though Obama looks more like the mouth... but what do I know...

Rev.2012 Maybe I'm not sure, I think you have to work at the scripture to have the A/C come from the Davidic line. There are Jews scattered all over the earth so he could come from anywhere. Maybe someone else has a line on that.

david

But I know many of the Jews are looking for the Messiah to come from the Davidic lineage. Even Jesus Christ asked them who they think the Messiah is and they said the Son of David which almost makes me think they (the Pharisee) beleived it was Solomon. I woul dbeleive for the Jew to be even convinced that this is an "annointed one - the Christ" would have to follow this line geanological speaking.

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Matthew 23:41-46