WHAT'S THE FUSS, TELL ME WHAT IS HAPPENING?

[El Gallo]

Recently Wickus was wondering if perhaps JS (or his organization?) is behind BHO's policies and pronouncements. I have seen many other continued theories keeping JS at the center of the stage. In a month, these thoughts may be entirely validated. But it sure seems far fetched right now, and to me does not track with how men pursue and try to hold onto power.

We are all gazing "as if through a looking glass darkly." As Paul said, now we see dimly, but when we are with the Lord, we shall see clearly. So far be it from me to say to Wickus or anyone else "You are definitely wrong!" Very little about prophecy is perfectly clear. Some commentators even try to allegorize the two witnesses, which seems pretty bizarre to me. But you see the point.

However, as to Wickus' thoughts, based on what information is presently available, I have to say this interpretation is an impressive stretch; i.e. that JS is controlling BHO from behind the scenes. Nothing in scripture gives a hint that the AC would be a background character. He will be a proud blasphemer, possessed of great power and greater ambition. The question I have always had about JS as AC is that he is such a bureaucrat. He seems very much the brilliant background guy, who is a preparer and fixer, rather than the sort of arrogant and charismatic leader scripture describes the AC to be.

A position at the Brookings Institute is often a place former or future government functionaries hang their hat. But it is not the sort of place for future leaders. They are much more obvious, and would shun an academic institution. Yet being an advisor within an academic institution is very much in keeping with how I have perceived JS over his career. He is a thinker and organizer. On the other hand, BHO has always been seeking positions of notoriety. Certainly his estimate of himself, from all reports, is breath taking.

There is also the issue of what Europe is and what the U.S. is. Frankly, Europe increasingly looks like a sclerotic, dysfunctional group. It is largely peopled by hedonistic layabouts; a people mostly irreligious and skeptical of everything. Its economic vitality is fairly anemic, and its military capability is collectively unimpressive.

Then there is the U.S. As George Will points out, Greece's GDP is about that of the Dallas-Ft Worth area. Think about that. Our economy, even when sick, is so massive, that all others shrink to insignificance. Yes, it is sick, but so is every other major economy --including the vaunted Chinese, who are utterly dependent on U.S. imports.

Our defense budget outstrips the entire rest of the world by a large factor, and the sophistication/professionalism of our military far exceeds other countries.

I have said before and emphasize again, that YHWH can do away with the U.S. in an instant. That would certainly re-stack the deck. But at this point that has not happened, and it is U.S. troops in Babylon; U.S. leading efforts to establish "peace" with Israel; the U.S. which is Israel's indispensible ally; the U.S. which economically and militarily dominates the world; the U.S. which seems to be at least as prominent as Germany in bailing out the EU; and the U.S. which has the pre-eminent world leader, a very proud man who appears ever stranger the more we know of him.

Certainly BHO is probably tied in with many powerful behind-the-scenes figures that heavily influence him. JS may be one. But I have not seen anything to indicate that he will "follow orders" well nor has any constraint on his vision. Just yesterday, he stated to Republicans "No you can not have the keys back!" Election year rhetoric, or a harbinger of a power grab?

Bottom line is that periodically I see a comment that if the AOD is not this summer, with JS leading Europe, then somehow this site has lost its major relevance. If anyone thinks that, just consider the wide breadth of watching here. If Herb only was partially right, that only means that he furthered the goal of watching very positively. Only YHWH knows the full meaning of prophecy.

[Abiding in His Word]

Well said, El Gallo!

[joyfulchild]

Interesting...all good valid points .I do know for a fact though that Wickus who isnt here to defend himself as yet-is very opened minded and not fixed on any one view.As we all should be till such time as things become clearer.
Maranatha!

[Jericho]

Nothing in scripture gives a hint that the AC would be a background character. He will be a proud blasphemer, possessed of great power and greater ambition. The question I have always had about JS as AC is that he is such a bureaucrat. He seems very much the brilliant background guy, who is a preparer and fixer, rather than the sort of arrogant and charismatic leader scripture describes the AC to be.

JS has always been a low profile kind of guy. I don't think many people have even heard of his name outside of Europe. The thing with JS and BO is they are both married with children and somehow I can imagine the AC as a family man IMO.

[OneDay]

Many people think that the text states that the anti christ will have no desire for the love of women. Some feel he will be a homosexual. But, the text never says that he does not DESIRE women, only that he does not honor their desires.
This fits in well with the muslim beliefs IMO.
New International Version (©1984)
He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.

New Living Translation (©2007)
He will have no respect for the gods of his ancestors, or for the god loved by women, or for any other god, for he will boast that he is greater than them all.

English Standard Version (©2001)
He shall pay no attention to the gods of his fathers, or to the one beloved by women. He shall not pay attention to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He will have no interest in the gods of his ancestors or desire for women. He will have no interest in any god, because he will make himself greater than anyone else.

King James Bible
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

American King James Version
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

American Standard Version
Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.

[OneDay]

Certainly BHO is probably tied in with many powerful behind-the-scenes figures that heavily influence him. JS may be one. But I have not seen anything to indicate that he will "follow orders" well nor has any constraint on his vision. Just yesterday, he stated to Republicans "No you can not have the keys back!" Election year rhetoric, or a harbinger of a power grab?

This is a great point. I was just thinking, could that oil spill be considered a deadly wound? Just now on FOX news they were saying that the oil leak could last for years, until it runs dry...

[Jericho]

Many people think that the text states that the anti christ will have no desire for the love of women. Some feel he will be a homosexual. But, the text never says that he does not DESIRE women, only that he does not honor their desires.

You could be correct. However considering God created marriage, I don't see the AC honoring anything which God has coveted.

[OneDay]

Yes, that is true! I have also wondered if the desire of women could mean the unborn child? Perhaps someone pro-abortion?

[GodsStudent]

he is naturally "anti" if you just sit back and look at the agenda he is causing to happen. He is truly the spokesperson who culminates the work of many, and his charisma is beyond beyond, you know? If there is one who steps on the scene after him that is even more charismatic and effective than him, I can only imagine.....but his actions and him in general......he has put together......orchestrated........or is representative of.......the perfect storm.

I penned the above to a friend earlier tonight who wanted my impressions of him as "the"

Until I see a covenant and division of land, I cannot say anything for sure, but if he is not "the," then by virtue of the system to the benefit of "the," he has made great.....huge.......strides in "the's" favor.

I know that when Herb was here, he took everything there was to see and set it beside the scriptures and made as much sense out of the headlines and to scriptures as could be made. Is it that so much more is and has been revealed that the picture changed? I ....we.....must all watch. A friend and I were laughing tonight about the fact that a website that hadn't been updated in 2 years, which dealt with headlines and prophecy, was severely outdated.

Herb started something that is still in process and laid astounding groundwork to be followed until it no longer can be. The Saints that are here and the scriptural research, news research, discussion, and yes....fellowship......are not irrelevant....indeed, could never be made to be irrelevant.

[El Gallo]

Btw, not calling on our friend Wickus to defend anything. He has not said a thing which is incorrect or untrue. I am onlu using his name as the most recent person to consider how JS could be a player, even as he seems to fade.

[James1:12]

The bible does say that the AC will be given a mouth to utter great boats, does this not imply that before then he is not boastful? Perhpas low profile?

[4givenmuch]

Yes, that is true! I have also wondered if the desire of women could mean the unborn child? Perhaps someone pro-abortion?

I think it is pro abortion also.

[4givenmuch]

One more thing . . . we cannot deny that JS is connected with 666. Perhaps the AC takes place in the lime light when the "time is right", when satan indwells. JAT

[El Gallo]

The AC will need a world wide cast of supporters. This is not a political Chia Pet; they have been at work for some time. I suspect that is part of the very powerful group JS is in.

As to "desire of women," that illustrates the point that prophecy can only be known for sure after the fact. Interpretations vary. Another which many believe is that for the Jewish women, the greatest honor was to bear children, especially male children. Yet their greatest desire was to bear the Messiah of the Jewish people. So the context of Daniel's prophecy is that the AC will stand against the Messiah -- the desire of women. Mind you, not against Mary, but against Jesus.

[daffodyllady]

I find it very interesting that the phrase "nor the desire of women," is sandwiched between "The gods of his fathers," and "nor any god." Therefore, context would greatly support "the desire of women," to actually be as the NIV says it.

New International Version (©1984)
He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.

The desire of women seems to be a god desired by women.

IMHO

[Wickus]

Btw, not calling on our friend Wickus to defend anything. He has not said a thing which is incorrect or untrue. I am onlu using his name as the most recent person to consider how JS could be a player, even as he seems to fade.

No harm done El Gallo, even if you did not post this quoted comment.

Your main post is as always very insightful with very good points. Well, time is running out for the JS/ENP theory. In about 4 weeks we will be at the mid point 1260 days of the ENP. I am in total agreement that it seems very unlikely that JS will return and get power to continue in such a short time. But because JS and the ENP/WEU fits prophecy so extremely well, I am forced to watch until the end. If this is God's appointed time, JS can rise to power in one day like Israel was born in a day. So for the next 4 - 8 weeks (1260-1290 days) us "stubborn" JS watchers will still try to link prophecy with him.

The one thing I think we can agree on is that prophecy is not for the next generation, but for us, now. Israel is about to be divided, Jerusalem is about to be surrounded by armies, the Gog/Magog players are lining up, the world economy is crumbling, birth pangs are increasing at an alarming rate (earthquakes, volcanoes, etc.) This will not go on for another 20 years. Whoever the AC will turn out to be, he will pop up very soon.

I always wonder why it is that so many Born Again, God fearing watchmen have so many different views on the end times. We are all one in Christ, but we don't share the same views on prophecy. If you browse all the sites on the internet, you get so many different views that your head is spinning after an hour. And every person sincerely believe that he/she is right. The question I can then ask is; Who says I am right? Can I be sure that the light I have been given is greater than my brothers light?

We can only trust the Lord that He will guide us all through this end time obstacle course.

[bchandler]

What does scripture say the desire of Women is? In Genesis God tells Eve that her desire would be toward her husband.
The other natural desire most Women have is for children of their own.

To that end... I expect this person will likely hate both Marriage, and Children. They will treat Marriage as an outmoded concept, and they will be all about limiting, sterilizing, and aborting in order reduce the birth rate and world population.

If they come in line with the WHO objectives, as stated on the Georgia guide stones, they will seek to legally limit how many children people can have. They will seek to sterilize as much of the population as possible via polluted diet, vaccines, and maybe even forced sterilization of some segments of the population. They will seek to increase abortion as a form of birth control, but the underlying reason will be downward pressure on global population.

[OneDay]