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smallisland wrote:Whenever I see the facts laid out like this I have the same reaction - which is that if all this comes to nothing I shall be just be left baffled!
smallisland wrote:I will definitely keep watching - if only because I really doubt that such a set of circumstances will come about again in my lifetime.Its slightly disheartening to see signs of some once enthusiastic supporters falling away though.
I really don't mean to hurt any one's feelings, I just question why it is such a big deal if this theory turns out to be false.
smallisland wrote:For me it would be a "big deal" because I'd be questioning the point of having spent so much time and energy following a red herring. I would have to start questioning my own judgement in these matters. Also, having shared the theory with others with enthusiasm, I'm not sure I'd ever been taken seriously again. So, as much as we may be telling ourselves it really won't matter one way or another, I don't buy that myself.
smallisland wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not the whole purpose of this website and Herb Peters book "Recommendation 666" to inform on a particular theory?
If you have read the background you will surely have been as thrilled as I was to have seen how the Lord's hand seems to have been on the project from the start.
Therein lies my confusion if it goes down!
smallisland wrote:- if only because I really doubt that such a set of circumstances will come about again in my lifetime.
Revelation 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Matthew 24 (King James Version)
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
watching wrote:Also, Jesus never said anything about a "seven year anti-Christ treaty."
(In fact the entire bible does not say anything about a "seven year anti-Christ treaty," that I am aware of, only doctrines of men have).
watching wrote:So in conclusion, I don't know how Herb Peters stumbled across some documents that were numbered 666 in connection with a high position previously held by someone. But I guess if that happened to me, I would probably have been suspicious too.
The point, however, is regardless of whether there was anything to that or not, it is not necessary, and certainly not required of us, to be scouring over EU documents in order to be "watching" for the Lord's return. At least, I, personally, have not read anything to that effect in the Bible.
watching wrote: I don't think it will be of any effect, because when the time comes, EVERYONE will know it.
And NO ONE will know it ahead of time:
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mr Baldy wrote:Scripture mentions that the antichrist will "confirm" a "Covenant with the Many"; and that for a period of 7 years.
Daniel 9:24-27 (King James Version)
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Mr Baldy wrote:I believe that you also do yourself an injustice by stating: "it is not necessary, and certainly not required of us, to be scouring over EU documents in order to be watching for the Lord's return". While it may not be "necessary" or "required" it certainly is helpful, and shows that we have a hunger to know all the more about our Lord, and it further shows obedience, in that it is a form of "watching" - and the Lord has commanded us to Watch. For you to mention this as you have, appears as if you are trying to mock those that are looking in these various areas, as it relates to End Time eschatology - and perhaps even dampen the spirit of those who do desire to watch. Those of us who have looked in this direction, are certainly not limiting, or placing in a proverbial box, our scope of the "Blessed Hope" that is soon to Return. So why not offer some Positive reinforcements - instead of the negative ones?
Mr Baldy wrote:Here you are implying that because we are Watching, that it won't be of "any effect". You then say that "NO ONE will know it ahead of time". You further provide Mark 13:2.
Let me say, that I beg to differ with you. You seemed to have left out Matthew 24:32-24 - which reads:
32) "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33) so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door."
34) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. "
You see watching, we will know that His Return is near, "ahead of time" - even "right at the door".
However, my concern is that there will most likely be quite a bit of disappointment here in a couple of months if nothing materializes as expected, as has already been indicated in this thread prior to my post.
My disappointment will not be in the theory failing and it will certainly not be in Herb Peters or Holly for whom I have great admiration. My disappointment will be that books and websites which come into being, appearing to be blessed by the Lord (therefore leading one to believe they contain truth) frequently end up coming to nothing.
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