RCC is evil institution

[PetriFB]

http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/Catho ... and%20pope

Roman Catholic Church and its doctrine is non biblical and deception. Behind the link is writing which handles RCC doctrine very extensively and shows by the word of God that doctrines of RCC are non biblical and deceptions.

[Watching & waiting]

Just reading this creeps me out because I used to be catholic.... it now gives me the creeps, very ungodly feeling... ick

[brandon]

I have no doubt about the evils of Romanism, but the creator of this website did not use spell check. The sea of grammatical errors is very distracting when trying to read the article. Additionally, the author is a closet Sabbatarian, believing that the RCC changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, proving that the author has an unreliable knowledge of church history since Justin Martyr in his apologies states that Christians do not worship or rest on Saturday but on Sunday, the day that the Lord rose from the dead.

[PetriFB]

Pope Eugene IV said “Buddhism is the religion of damnation ". Pope John Paul II, however, said: "Buddhism is the religion of salvation.” The Catholic Church teaches that: "The Pope is infallible, when he as the highest shepherd and teacher of the church gives a decision which concerns the whole church". One or the other Pope has made a mistake and the doctrine of Catholic Church on the infallibility of the Pope is broken. Actually, the Pope is not infallibility, because no man is perfect, but every man is imperfect before God.





In the picture Pope John Paul II in year 1984 met the representatives of the Buddhist religion. The Pope's statement, that Buddhism is the religion of salvation is false, because Buddhism is serving idols. The Pope has also ecumenical relationships with Buddhism. The Vatican teaches today that all religions are equal, but God has set only one church in which all can be saved which is the Roman Catholic Church. The Vatican's statements are very conflicting, because sometimes it gives statements like Buddhism is the religion of salvation, but says at the same time that salvation is only in the Catholic Church. This is the Pope's ecumenical target to accept other religions and churches, but to raise the Catholic Church above all other churches and religions.



In the picture a Shiva priestess put the pagan idol mark in the forehead of the Pope (sign of the tilak). In this way this Pope received the anointment of the Shiva religion. The Shiva religion is one branch of the Hindu religion. Hinduism and Shiva religion serve idols. Pope John II was openly idol worshipper and deceiver.



Ecumenicalism is so deceitful, which is a way of Satan to mislead and deceive believers and unbelievers so that people would believe that ecumenicalism is the work of God, where He connects all people to be one. The disciple of Jesus Christ does not have any part of this ecumenical work with the Pope and the Catholic Church. Disciples of Jesus Christ have to practise oneness with those who has born in the Spirit of God and not with the idol worshippers.



Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran in the year 1999. This kiss of the Pope was an indication of his huge respect towards the Koran, and an indication of his huge respect towards the religion of Islam. The Pope practised ecumenism with the representatives of Islam. The Pope spoke openly that the Catholic Church respects the religion of Islam.



The Bible says that we must love our neighbour, but we cannot accept the service of idols, which the religion of Islam represents. The Pope accepted the faith of Muslims and has prayed together with the representatives of Islam. The Religion of Islam represents the serving of idols and the disciples of Jesus Christ cannot practise unity of faith with the representatives of satanic religions. The purpose of ecumenism is to forge unity with the religion of Islam.



Roman Catholic Church is involved with ecumenicalism and RCC gives a next kind of statements about in the name of ecumenicalism:

There is one God and this truth Christians have inherited from the children of Israel and they share this with muslims and it is faith in one God, Lord of heaven and earth. The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator and they are also the Muslims and they hold faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merficul God.



Nostra Aetate
3. The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, theCreator of heaven and earth,[1] who has also spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the bidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God's plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they worship Jesus as a prophet, his virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.
Over the centuries many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together preserve and promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values.





DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH - LUMEN GENTIUM
Promulgated By His Holiness, Pope Paul VI on November 21, 1964
16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.[18] There is, first, that people to which the covenants and promises were made, and from which Christ was born according to the flesh (cf. Rom. 9:4-5): in view of the divine choice, they are a people most dear for the sake of the fathers, for the gifts of God are without repentance (cf. Rom. 11:29-29). But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day. Nor is God remote from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, since he gives to all men life and breath and all things (cf. Acts 17:25-28), and since the Saviour wills all men to be saved (cf. 1 Tim. 2:4). Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience--those too many achieve eternal salvation.[19] Nor shall divine providence deny the assistance necessary for salvation to those who, without any fault of theirs, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God, and who, not without grace, strive to lead a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is considered by the Church to be a preparation for the Gospel[20] and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.

RCC says that plan of salvation also includes the Muslims. Islam religion is pagan religion, which worship idol and wrong god. Islam has nothing to do with believing of the Bible (word of God), but Muslims are equal misled as Catholics are, and for this reason they are working together in the work of ecumenicalism in the last days of mankind:


Re 17:1 ¶ And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.


The Bible teaches in the book of revelation that in the last days on the earth affects spirit of Babylon, in which they worship mother (RCC virgin Mary and religions goddesses things) religions. Mother of harlots is Babylon Queen of the heaven cult (RCC) and harlots are other religions, which are together by ecumenicalism deceiving inhabitants of the earth to worship devilish doctrines. All churches who practice ecumenical connection with RCC are participants of evil work and evil spirits. God shall judge everybody who is co-operating with Roman Catholic Church by ecumenical work or some other ways are supporting evil lies of RCC. RCC and ecumenical work are deceiving many churches and believers into the bosom of antichrist, so withdraw for those churches, who are working or supporting somehow RCC.



Many Christians have been deceived to believe that love your sisters and brothers mean that we have to keep those as our sisters and brothers, who are Catholics who believe all false doctrines of Roman Catholic Church. If some Catholics say that they believe in Jesus Christ, but at the same they believe also to false and deceiving doctrines of Roman Catholic Church, so the Bible says that we cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. We must believe to the Bible, not devilish doctrines of RCC. Roman Catholic Church has many ways into salvation, but the Bible teaches only one salvation by the blood and atonement of Jesus Christ. So my sisters and brothers are only those, who believe the Bible and don't mix the word of God to devilish doctrines. We must have unity and fellowship only with those who serve the Lord by the love and truth and don't mix the truth with devilish doctrines of RCC or other religions devilish doctrines. We must love Catholics as our neighbours, but we must also tell them the truth about RCC's deceptions.



1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.



Ecumenicalism is work of antichrist as intention to deceive all mankind to worship idols. Behind ecumenicalism is illuminati, which is connected to RCC, because Roman Catholic Church, Masons, Jesuits, Club of Rome, New Age movements and international bankers they all are the same bunch, and they have the same goal to make new world order, where the mankind would serve evil spirits. We must understand that leaders of RCC are satan worshippers and proves for this is theirs evil doctrines and evil goals. Because all of those before mentioned groups are committed themselves to satan and evil spirits, and they hate the truth and Jesus Christ, so they want to establish new world order on the earth, which is satan' "kingdom" and they succeeded in this attempt for a little while, until Jesus Christ comes and destroys their kingdom, and He establishes His kingdom on the earth for thousand years, and after that this world will be destroyed and God makes New Heavens and New Earth and New Jerusalem, where live eternally all those, who have believed in God.



1 Tim 4:1-3: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.





Apostle Paul wrote that during the end many believers will give up the faith and start to follow the teachings of the evil spirits. There is a hint in this verse to us about this teaching of the evil spirits. The hint is that they forbid marrying. The Catholic Church forbids its priests from marrying. This means that during the end many believers will give up their living faith and believe the false gospel of the Catholic Church. By way of ecumenicalism, this verse comes true and is already coming true and partly has come true.



Every disciple of Jesus who loves God and His word is under an obligation to tell the truth for Roman Catholics. Love Roman Catholics and tell them the truth, that Roman catholic doctrine doesn't base on to the doctrine of the Bible, but is mixture and mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth. We have to understand, what word anti-christ means, before we can understand this subject. All religions are co-operating in ecumenical work in the last days and are against the real truth and Jesus Christ. Nevertheless, we must understand, that Greek word antikhristos has a two meaning against and instead of (vicar). Roman Catholic church has those two characters, it is against gospel of Jesus, and it pretends to be vicarious Gospel of Jesus. Anti-Christ has two faces it's with same time against gospel of Jesus and try to pretend that he is vicarious gospel of Jesus. There can be also believers inside of RCC, but they can’t believe official doctrine of RCC, because it is another gospel and not the gospel of Christ. If you are Jesus' disciple and inside of Roman Catholic Church: Come out of her, God's people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. Jesus' disciples can't be participants for the whore of Babylon (RCC), so come out of her and let God's guide you to true church of God.

http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/Catho ... pe.html#41

[Abiding in His Word]

Hello PetriFB,

This thread would be better in the Apostasy forum so I'm moving it there.

[PetriFB]

Hello PetriFB,

This thread would be better in the Apostasy forum so I'm moving it there.

Ok.. thanks .........

[GodsStudent]

ugh....Thanks for posting this, but how offensive is it to see? I know Catholics that "swear by their religion." That says it all!

[pretribber]

Whats next here folks? I think we should start a new post picking on the Lutherans, or maybe the Jews, they don't believe in Jesus as their savior. Better yet, lets pick on the Muslims, yeah thats it. Please, lets leave the Catholics alone. We have been down this road way too many times.

[momma4Him]

I think it is important that people are aware of the idolotry and deception of the Catholic Church. I have been reading Foxe's Book of Christian Martyrs, and every single one in this book so far was someone who was killed, mostly by burning at the stake, because they would not forsake Christ and participate in the Catholic Mass and did not believe in transubstantiation. They stood up for what the Bible said, not what the Catholic Church said, and were imprisoned and killed for it, in very brutal and painful ways. Lutherans and Jews don't pray to Mary or the saints. The Catholic Church has the blood of the saints of God on its hands.

[pretribber]

I think it is important that people are aware of the idolotry and deception of the Catholic Church. I have been reading Foxe's Book of Christian Martyrs, and every single one in this book so far was someone who was killed, mostly by burning at the stake, because they would not forsake Christ and participate in the Catholic Mass and did not believe in transubstantiation. They stood up for what the Bible said, not what the Catholic Church said, and were imprisoned and killed for it, in very brutal and painful ways. Lutherans and Jews don't pray to Mary or the saints. The Catholic Church has the blood of the saints of God on its hands.

You proved my point from above. Everyone has the blood of saints on their hands, its not just the Catholics. I am sure it was not the Catholics that nailed our lord to the cross. My point is, who are we to judge who is evil and who is not? As far as the lutherans and the Jews not praying to Mary or the saints does that make it alright for all the other things that they have done? The Muslims don't pray to Mary either. Should we lump them together with the lutherans and the Jews?

[pretribber]

Also, this website took and used information that was out years ago. In fact, I read most or all of this stuff that was put out in a book many years ago by the seventh day adventis church. Maybe they are the one true religion. Why do so many people get sucked into something they have read somewhere? I guess it is because they are brought up in a culture where they are influenced by those around them and believe what they hear becaue they are programed by those they grew up with. I never said the Catholic church is perfect but I will tell you this. I have never come across another religion that gives as much as the Catholic church does to the poor, the sick, and the homeless in all countries around the world. We may not agree with the Catholic church doctrine but if we are to bash one, we should bash all because none are perfect.

[Abiding in His Word]

Also, this website took and used information that was out years ago. In fact, I read most or all of this stuff that was put out in a book many years ago by the seventh day adventis church. Maybe they are the one true religion.

There is only one way. Any group (religion) that teaches differently, is not conveying the truth to it's followers. That includes SDA and the RCC as well.

Why do so many people get sucked into something they have read somewhere? I guess it is because they are brought up in a culture where they are influenced by those around them and believe what they hear becaue they are programed by those they grew up with.

I know there are a number of members of FP who belonged to the RCC prior to being saved and thus they see the truth now. It's not just that they have read things about the RCC; but rather they have lived under it's teachings.

I never said the Catholic church is perfect but I will tell you this. I have never come across another religion that gives as much as the Catholic church does to the poor, the sick, and the homeless in all countries around the world.

Of course we are not saved by works regardless of how altruistic they appear. Rick Warren performs great deeds of charity as well. But if they fail to teach the most important truths that will lead to their eternal salvation, they indeed fail the sheep.

We may not agree with the Catholic church doctrine but if we are to bash one, we should bash all because none are perfect.

It's not a matter of "bashing" pretribber; it's a matter of warning and exposing the false doctrine. That's what shepherds do; they protect the flock from error. If you look at the number of stickies at the top of the Apostasy forum, you will notice that many false groups are listed for reference so no one is singling out the RCC. There are threads that expose the error of Purpose Drive Life (Rick Warren), emergent churches, Ophrah's New Age-type beliefs and others as well.

[momma4Him]

Pretribber, I know what you are saying and where you are coming from. We were involved in a movement that promoted unity of Christians no matter what the denomination. In fact, a few years ago I probably would have agreed with what you wrote. However, in doing so, are we also not condoning the things that other denominations have been led astray on (for example, homosexuality)? What about the Lakeland fiasco? A fleecing of the flock!

1 Timothy4:1-3 1But (A)the Spirit explicitly says that (B)in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to (C)deceitful spirits and (D)doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars (E)seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,3men who (F)forbid marriage and advocate (G)abstaining from foods which (H)God has created to be (I)gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

As for the Catholic Church, when I was a child one of my best friends was a Catholic. In fact, I wanted to convert to Catholicism. I also went to a Catholic high school. It was an awful lot about praying to Mary, the saints, and using a rosary. I told my friend's mom once that I didn't see the point of praying to the saints or Mary, but that I just went straight to God and Jesus. She commented that I was very brave to do so. They felt like God was unapproachable except for going through the saints and Mary. Is that the kind of God we serve? No it is not! How are they supposed to know Jesus if they are afraid to get to know Him? As for the Catholic school I went to, there was a drill team sex scandal that got shoved under the rug and was not dealt with properly. The only ones who knew much about it were those of us on the drill team. We just got shut down, but the issue was never dealt with. So you can see, I do know more about the Catholic church than just what I have read. And this is only one example that I am willing to share. How is this being salt and light, especially to those of us who were not Catholics? I was also required to go through Catholic religion class at that school as well.

[Rich Kelley]

I'm sure Christ would have let them slide, so lets back off OK.

[redeemed1953]

Well, I may as well throw in my .02.

Since I have known some Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Nazarenes, Episcopals, Presbyterians, Methodists Pentecostals and Charismatics:

There are a fair number in all of these churches who are sons of Adam and bound for eternal damnation.

Jesus knows His own and He will save every one of them, whom God has given Him. God is drawing His people to Himself and the rest are a sorry lot. This may include some of my own family members.

I know that this will upset someone applecart, so I will say "I'm sorry" now instead of when the applecart gets upset.

[Rich Kelley]

OK enough of the wise guy comments, hope it was taken lightly.

Here is the difference between Religions that have doctrine that is not from the NT scripture and Christians that are just sinners. One has the backing of "Those in charge", and in my opinion, need to be pointed out to those that are blindly following "Doctrine". The RCC is not the only denomination that has doctrine that is exactly that, doctrine. Many of the 30K plus religions (christian) all have doctrine and have failed to heed the teachings of Christ and Paul, where we are told to work out our differences. That has not been done. The 100 years after the NT believers were with the Lord, doctrine took over, people were killed for non-compliance. This has been done away with today, but non-compliance with dogma will get you tossed from the body in a heart beat, regardless, of "Religion". There is no dogma that says we are in Christ and all else is from man, so it's ok to have differences, they all require you to agree with "statements" of faith or you "Can't be a member". A member of what? Why should we care? But we do???? Pointing out wrongs is not wrong, tone and intent do count, however ignoring it or pointing the finger else where doesn't change the topic of the thread. I know many that are part of a religion, that don't buy any of the "weird", non NT stuff. Doesn't chance anything. Christ spent many moments telling those with dogma, that they were wrong. We are in Christ and have his power by the Holy Spirit, if you don't want to learn to use it, then remain silent when other are. When something is wrong, the teenager response, of "well you did it when you were young" is just that, an immature response. Approach Christ and give him the lecture about pointing out wrongs. We may not get everything correct, but when wrong is being discussed, contribute or sit back and learn. The "lets all get along", will not be part of the Kingdom of God. It is His way or no way, get use to it. Yes we are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God, however, if the cause of that is man made doctrine, then let's get it on the table so we can move on and let the Holy Spirit cleans us and make us more like Christ.

[aaron]

This is why the church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. The apostles were eyewitnesses to the resurrected Lord and wrote and approved the letters and epistles that collectively are called the Bible. The Bible reveals God's plan of salvation through faith in Christ and repentance from sin. Any denomination or institution that points to itself as the only way contradicts the Word, and therefore must be rejected. Interesting to note too how the RCC elevates it's head leader and leaders below him. The leader of the RCC can make people 'saints'. Other groups such as the New Apostolic Reformation elevate their leaders to positions of authority they don't really have. It's that fallen nature again, wanting something or someone they can SEE to worship and bow down too. Jesus called out the pharisees for this, we must do the same.

[imirish01]

I agree with pretribber. I can name any number of topics that can get the board fired up, namely Obama or New World Order. Even though the Catholic Church is unbiblical on some/many things, does that mean we need to bash them all over again, especially if it has been done before. We can always put on the hat of "we're just trying to let people know," but I believe we can quickly move from informative, to gossiping, evil speaking and bashing. IMO, we often move from informative communication to getting wound up all in the name of " I'm a Christian and I need to speak out against this." No, you really don't! It's one thing speaking with a friend or family member about problems within one religion, it's a whole different matter putting it on a blog read by thousands of people.

We are called to PRAY for our brother's and sister's.

[savedbygrace]

Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran in the year 1999. This kiss of the Pope was an indication of his huge respect towards the Koran, and an indication of his huge respect towards the religion of Islam. The Pope practised ecumenism with the representatives of Islam. The Pope spoke openly that the Catholic Church respects the religion of Islam.

In the words of Jacob Prasch... "Its one antichrist kissing the book of another antichrist"...

[Pretzelogical]

When a disease infects my child, I don't hate the child. I fight the disease out of him.
Any false teaching needs to be exposed to truth to purify the body of Christ.
We all agree on this. Thank you for the info, even though it is not new to me, it encourages me to continue to pray and speak truth as I love my Catholic friends. Praise God, I am seeing progress!

The thing is, it is the Catholics who wake up who are the most angry at the Catholic lies. ...and for good reason. As one friend said to me, "You mean to tell me that I have been working my tail off and giving like crazy to earn my way to a God I'm terrified of only to burn in hell?" I shook my head and said, "Yep." He repented and trusts in Christ and God has been using him mightily for twenty-five years. Just one example of NUMEROUS friends who were former Catholics that chose to respond to God's invitiation. Please pray for my friend Cindy who is in the word daily now and loving the truth and light. Thanks.

[runner4jesus]

As a former Catholic, I can honestly tell you the RCC is the most evil institution on earth with a religious front. Oh so Holy appearance and the dogmas of this Pharisaical church will one day reinstitute the inquisitions which are still in place today.