SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Believer on Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:28 pm

Stillwatch wrote:
Believer wrote: http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/ ... aheri.html

Is Barack Obama the "promised warrior" coming to help the Hidden Imam of Shiite Muslims conquer the world?...


Believer, I found this interesting/disturbing...this link now leads to one of those 'file not found' pages. Fortunately, you posted it here. When I first read it, I also went to the link and copied and pasted it to my HD. Amazing how things just 'disappear' when they aren't so favorable to certain people, eh?
Yes, that is strange.

I think this fits with this thread...

Read the entire commentary. And don't forget to watch the video of the children singing praises to Obama... http://blip.tv/file/1309087

In Germany, when Hitler came to power, it was a time of terrible financial depression . Money was worth nothing. In Germany people lost homes and jobs, just like in the American Depression in the 1930s, which we have read about in Thoene's Shiloh books.

In those days, in my homeland, Adolph Hitler was elected to power by promising "Change."

He blamed the "Zionists" around the world for all our problems. He told everyone it was greedy Zionist Bankers who had caused every problem we had. He promised when he was leader, the greedy Zionist bankers would be punished. The Zionists, he promised, would be wiped off the face of the earth.

So Hitler was elected to power by only 1/3 the popular vote. A coalition of other political parties in parliament made him supreme leader. Then, when he was leader, he disgraced and expelled everyone in parliament who did not go along with him.

Yes. Change came to my homeland as the new leader promised it would.

The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler. This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement. It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Hymns in praise of Hitler and his programs were being sung in the schoolrooms and in the play yard. Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school.

My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school. The political hymns of children proclaimed Change was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust.

I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear. He knew that the best propaganda of the Nazis was song on the lips of little children.

That evening before he said grace at the dinner table, he placed his hands upon the heads of my brothers and me and prayed the Living Word upon us from Jeremiah 1:4-5…

'Now the Word of the Lord came to me, saying,
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to The nations."

Soon the children's songs praising the Fuhrer were heard everywhere on the streets and over the radio. "With our Fuhrer to lead us, we can do it! We can change the world!"

Soon after that Papa, a pastor, was turned away from visiting elderly parishioners in hospitals. The people he had come to bring comfort of God's Word, were "no longer there."

Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care? It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as "mercy killing" became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized.

People whispered, "Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering…And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden."

And so murder was called mercy.

The government took over private business. Industry and health care were "nationalized." (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. (Perhaps you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht in the book Munich Signature)

The world and God's word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the people economic Change?

Not change. It was, rather, Lucifer's very ancient Delusion leading to Destruction.

&nb sp; What began with the propaganda of children singing a catchy tune ended in the deaths of millions of children. The reality of what came upon us is so horrible that you in this present generation cannot imagine it.

Our suffering is too great to ever tell in a book or show in a black and white newsreel.

When I spoke to Bodie about some of these things, she wept and said she could not bear to write them. Perhaps one day she will, but I asked her, "who could bear to read our suffering?"

Yet with my last breaths I warn every Christian and Jew now in the name of the Lord,

Unless your course of the church in America is spiritually changed now,
returning to the Lord, there are new horrors yet to come.

I trembled last night when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah.

Yet I have heard what this man Obama says about abortion and the "mercy killing" of tiny babies who are not wanted.

There are so few of us left to warn you.

I have heard that there are 69 million Catholics in America and 70 million Evangelical Christians.

Where are your voices? Where is your outrage? Where is passion and your vote?

Do you vote based on an abortionist's empty promises and economics? Or do you vote according to the Bible?

Thus says the Lord about every living child still in the womb…

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you…"
I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth.
I see them again now.

Christians! Unless you stand up now, you will lose your freedom of religion.

In America priests and preachers have already lost their freedom to speak openly from their pulpits of moral danger in political candidates. They cannot legally instruct you of which candidate holds fast to the precepts of scripture! American law forbids this freedom of speech to conservative pastors or they will lose their "tax exempt" status.

And yet I have heard the words of Obama's pastor Damning America! I have heard the words of Obama damning and mocking all of you in small towns because you "Cling to your religion…"

But I am a woman whose name is unknown. My life is recorded as
a work of fiction. I have no fear of reprisal when I speak truth to you from the pages of a book. (Though the Zion Covenant books are mocked and condemned by the Left in America.)

I am an old woman and will soon go to be with my Lord. I have no fear for myself, but for all of you and for your children, I tremble.

I tremble at the hymns to a political leaders which your children will sing at school. (Though even now a hymn or a prayer to God and our Lord Jesus is against the law in public school!)

Your vote must put a stop to what will come upon America if Barrack Obama is elected.

I pray you will personally heed this warning for the sake of your children and your grandchildren. Do not be deceived.

The Lord in Jeremiah 1:7-8 commands every believer to speak up!

"Do not say, 'I am only a youth,' for to all whom I send you, you shall go, and whatever I command you, you shall speak. Do not be afraid of them for I am with you, declares the Lord!"

I am in Prayer for you, and for the Church!
Spoken to you in the authority of Jesus the Christ,
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Believer on Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:34 pm

This goes along with the above thread. Below are the words of the song the children are singing in the video...

WE’RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD
Music and lyrics by Lily Campbell, age 9

We’re gonna spread happiness
We’re gonna spread freedom
Obama’s gonna change it
Obama’s gonna lead ‘em
We’re gonna change it
And rearrange it
We’re gonna change the world.

SING FOR CHANGE
Music and lyrics by Kathy Sawada

Now’s the moment, lift each voice to sing
Sing with all your heart!
For our children, for our families,
Nations all joined as one.
Sing for joy and sing abundant peace,
Courage, justice, hope!
Sing together, hold each precious hand,
Lifting each other up;
Sing for vision, sing for unity,
Lifting our hearts to Sing!

YES WE CAN
Music and lyrics by Kathy Sawada

Yes we can
Lift each other up
In peace, in love, in hope
Change! Change!


Sing for abundant peace because Obama is gonna make it happen!? Obama is going to be responsible for joining all the nations of the world in peace?! That really ticks me off.

Dear Heavenly One, YOU are going to spread happiness, YOU are going to spread freedom, YOU are going to change it, YOU are going to lead them, YOU are going to rearrange it, YOU, O LORD, are going to change the world. Now's the moment & every moment I lift my voice to sing to YOU, I sing with all my heart to YOU alone! For our children and for our families, I pray the nations will be joined as one IN YOU. I sing for joy and for abundant peace, courage, justice, hope that only come through knowing YOU! I sing with all my brothers and sisters in Christ, we sing together, hold each precious hand, lifting each other up; singing for vision, unity and lifting our hearts to sing!

Praise to God ALONE! Amen


Sing and rejoice O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people…” (Zech. 2:10-11).



And this link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q9nTfXh1eQ&NR=1
takes you to another “worship” type of song that adults and children sing for/to Obama. With both these songs, I felt like I was watching a worship production.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Douggg on Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:46 pm

I am fairly confident that Obama is not the AC. But in appearance (a king of fierce countenance in Daniel 8 which I could envision of Obama) , charisma, quick rise to power, knight on a white horse, and most of all when I look at Obama speak his mouth is his most dominant and effective feature - his mouth - proclaiming great things like the bragging little horn's mouth is pictured in Daniel 7....traits of the AC.

Given the speaking ability of Obama and charisma, assuming that he is not the AC, then it will really be something that when the AC comes to power that he will out do Obama in those areas.

Given the current worldwide financial crisis that came upon the world like a flood, and assuming Obama will probably be the next president - my current theory that we have no later than May 14, 2011 that the AC confirms the covenant as in Daniel 9:26-27 less than 2year 6 months 11 days left max seems to be intact.

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby jgilberAZ on Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:15 am

I don't know that I accept your "no later than" calculations, Doug. But, one thing we can agree on is that is sure does look like time is very short.

Whatever differences we have re: rapture timing ... we need to be ready to really bond together and act like brothers and sisters to each other in the difficult times that are right around the corner. May the Lord give us the strength to be His witnesses regardless of the consequences. And, I do believe there will be real consequences for us in the not-too-distant future.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby savedbygrace on Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:04 am

I just love it when people say 'no later than' when they are talking about future bibilical prophecy being fulfilled... :grin:
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Abiding in His Word on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:58 pm

skestler wrote:But the punch line of his joke was, "I was actually born on Krypton and sent here by my father, Jor-el, to save the planet Earth."


:rolllaughing:

You're right, skestler! I forgot about the punch line! How funny! His "demotion" from the Messiah to Superman!
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby daffodyllady on Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:21 pm

El Gallo, how do you find these articles? My head is reeling. Ok. I told myself that I am going to TRY to stay offline a little more... so I have cut and pasted those articles into another program, so that I can at least say I wasn't online, while chewing them mentally. LOL

Love em.. Thanks.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Believer on Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:27 pm

El Gallo wrote:...In Matthew 24:27, Jesus explains how his “coming” will be connected to LIGHTNING (Barack)!

Matt 24:27
“For as the Lightning (Barack) cometh out of the east and shineth unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be!”
hmmm... the next verse is "Wherever the corpse is there the vultures will gather" (vs. 28). A corpse represents death. And vultures gather to eat the flesh of the dead one. (isn't corpse singular?)

Perhaps the corpse represents Satan and the vultures represent his followers who "eat" of his flesh unto eternal death.

Christ is Life. His followers gather to eat the flesh of the Bread of Life which then gives them eternal life.

Interesting possible timeline…

Vs. 27 “For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west” (i.e. this would be AC/Satan beginning to make his appearance)

“so will the coming of the Son of Man be” (i.e. rapture)

Vs. 28 “Wherever the corpse is there the vultures will gather” (i.e. the growth of his followers)

Vs. 29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days…” (i.e. 2nd coming)
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:28 pm

It is the magic of Goggle Daffodyllady. The company I thought was going nowhere special! But stay engaged. These may be critical times.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby moose on Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:20 am

The more I've looked at this, the more I've come to realize that we are dealing with the same demonic spirit in Obama that worked through Hitler. I believe it is the exact same spirit.

Is Obama satan's "annointed one"? I don't know, but it has become clear to me that the spirit of Antichrist is now the president-elect of the United States.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby DaveG on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:15 am

Our country has changed. Once we were a great people that had a great love for God, and for doing whatever we could to continue his will. I believe that God has removed his hand of protection from the United States. I believe that over the past 8 years, God has been at work in this country, and in the world for that matter, to prepare the people for a great political figure that those will follow, and worship. It is in his will that the AC will come to pass. The world is ripe and ready for the AC. It was obvious in looking at the faces of those that were praising Obama last night. No other political figure in our lifetime has seen the type of praise and worship that only God would receive. I pray that Obama will be a great leader for our country, but my heart only confirms my fear. Hitler may have empowered a nation, but Obama is not only inspiring the world, he is quickly rising to a status that none of us have ever witnessed.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:03 am

As noted at the beginning, I believe the spirit goes from Antiochus, to Hitler, to Obama. In Luke 10:18, Jesus suddenly said "Behold, I saw Satan falling, like lightning, from heaven." As discussed earlier, in Hebrew this reads (in pertinent part): "Behold I saw "Satan" (Hebrew "Satan") like "lightning" (Hebrew "baraq"; Greek "barak") falling from the "heights" (Hebrew "bama"). With the conjunctive Hebrew word "O," literally "Lightning from the heights" is "baraq o bama." The key tie in is Isaiah 14, where Satan is described as exulting that he will "ascend" to the heights, above God's throne. "Ascend" in Hebrew is "alah". So I believe he, as Allah, will (or did?) try to ascend, is thrown down to earth "like lightning,", inhabit an arrogant narcissist who will be the AC, and who will probably be the Mahdi.

I expect the tie in will clarify soon. If he is The One, they will learn from the Clintons' '93-'94 too-slow consolidation of power, and move decisively to consolidate power, according to Biden, by leveraging crises. This is his and Michelle's Bolshevik training at work.

I believe he will be very magnanimous and sweet, so long as he is not opposed. Once he is opposed in strength, I expect the gloves will come off, as he and Michelle will be enraged at the "backwardness/ignorance of the Bible thumping, gun owning, rascist opposition." That will be the que for his "national civilian security force" he spoke of.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby joymart on Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:49 am

I believe you are right El Gallo
And we will find out soon enough.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Salty Skipper on Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:31 pm

Michael O'Brien Newsletter Regarding Barack Obama and the Question of the Anti-Christ

All Saints Day, 1 November 2008


Dear Friends,

From just north of the border, we Canadians, like other people throughout the world, are observing and praying for the coming federal election in the United States of America. I would prefer to keep private my counsel about political choices, because it is not my country. However, I am receiving letters from American subscribers and visitors to my studio website asking me some rather surprising questions about Barack Obama, related to one of my novels.

During the past year I have read a number of his pronouncements, and saw the smoke and mirrors beneath the rhetoric, but couldn't understand why everyone south of the border (the other south of the border, the 49th parallel) was getting so excited about him, both pro and con. Then a few weeks ago a German friend called me immediately after Obama's speech in Berlin, to say that the presidential candidate had mesmerized the crowds, and that a commentator on German television had said: "We have just heard the next President of the United States...and the future President of the World." My friend felt that Obama bore an uncanny resemblance to the fictional character of the President in my novel Father Elijah. I have received several other letters saying the same thing and asking what I thought about it.

From my own reading of Obama's declarations and stated positions, I knew he was an ultra-liberal, a social revolutionary with visionary pretensions. But the Antichrist? No, not possible, I thought. I felt that he was too shallow a man to be the Son of Perdition, the Man of Sin, the Beast of the Book of Revelation. And I still think so. Obama is a crowd-pleaser with just the right ethos of idealistic crusader. That the crusade and the banners under which it marches are evil does not automatically prove that he is the Antichrist.

But now that I have seen the video of the Berlin speech I think there is more here than meets the eye.

More at link:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/081103a.html
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Seeker on Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:50 pm

SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?


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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:47 am

I didn't see how it could be Obama--he doesn't have a link to 10 kings. Recently I learned that his father was likely a "British" citizen since Kenya was still under the fading British empire when Barry was born. This would potentially give him a link to 10 kings, since Britain or the UK is 1 of 10 core members of the WEU which is integral to the EU.

We don't know a lot about Barry. We won't know a lot about the AC apparently, since he'll be REVEALED at the AOD.

Barry's whole rise to power has seemed supernatural. Nothing sticks to him and the world is fawning all over him. He declared himself a "Citizen of the World" to a Berlin, Germany crowd and said he's the one we've all been waiting for. He's never denighed he was the "Messiah" even though scores of people have said he was or mocked by saying he was. He has all these names he's gone under. The AC will come "in his own name" and people will receive him. I don't see quiet as much intrigue behind Solano, but time will tell.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Salty Skipper on Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:23 am

Tex wrote:I didn't see how it could be Obama--he doesn't have a link to 10 kings. Recently I learned that his father was likely a "British" citizen since Kenya was still under the fading British empire when Barry was born. This would potentially give him a link to 10 kings, since Britain or the UK is 1 of 10 core members of the WEU which is integral to the EU.

We don't know a lot about Barry. We won't know a lot about the AC apparently, since he'll be REVEALED at the AOD.

Barry's whole rise to power has seemed supernatural. Nothing sticks to him and the world is fawning all over him. He declared himself a "Citizen of the World" to a Berlin, Germany crowd and said he's the one we've all been waiting for. He's never denighed he was the "Messiah" even though scores of people have said he was or mocked by saying he was. He has all these names he's gone under. The AC will come "in his own name" and people will receive him. I don't see quiet as much intrigue behind Solano, but time will tell.


8 "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully


The little horn is different from the 10 horns. He confirms the agreement for one week. I don't think that the 'confirming' means that he has to be the author or the originator of the agreement. Also, the Boudin (sp?) tribe has claimed that Obama is one of their decendants. Those tribes, possibly from Assyria and other parts, which might have been part of the Eastern Roman Empire back in the day. For consideration. While we don't know who the little horn is, it's too early to exclude him. jmo
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:51 am

Yes, we don't know who AC is and it's too early to exclude Barry, but this whole thing gets stranger as time goes on, almost supernatural. The AC will also "prosper and practice", whoever he is.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Salty Skipper on Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:55 am

but this whole thing gets stranger as time goes on

You can say that again! Everyday, my eyes are dry b/c I'm walking around like this :eek:
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:15 am

Poor Salty! Maybe you should carry some eyedrop lubricant in your purse, with tissues. I do understand the feeling.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:32 pm

Seems to me we should listen to Joe Biden, who said to expect something big shortly after the inauguration. I am thinking , if he is The One he will suddenly come into real power, and it would be prudent to (finally) be ready for something terrible about that time.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:19 am

Curious note. I was doing some additional research, and discovered something about the Internet. My original post has found its way to various places, often under someone else's name. No pride of authorship issues; if it has truth and helps someone, that is the point. But lol at the shameless plaigarism.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:56 pm

Hello DW,

I believe when I saw the way he was dismantling the Clinton machine. The Clinton machine was probably one of the best funded and equipped Presidential campaign efforts ever. Then this person with no accomplishments comes from nowhere, lines up all these heavies, and rakes in massive money. Once I saw his speeches and the reaction, I started researching.

While I was do the research last night, I was on a British secular site. It was very peculiar. They were on the one hand ripping American Christians and those who thought Obama is The One, yet a majority of these hip young Brits were saying in various different ways that Obama makes them nervous. Not Christians, in fact anti-Christian they say, but nervous?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby jwrquest on Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:48 pm

I think that anyone who thinks Obama is the AC hasn't seen the full info on Javier Solana. The best one I have seen is at this link:

http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/Topic ... Solana.htm

Obama is in daipers compared to this guy.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:47 pm

jwrquest, in a sense, I agree. Obama is just a new actor, and many questions remain. How quickly they are answered, in either direction, is in God's realm. But I ask this: Accepting all that Solana has done, at least as an academic point, isn't it equally possible that he is simply as Karl Rove was to President Bush; i.e., the brilliant organizer and fixer, preparing the way?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:49 pm

Btw, I was reminded Board rules prohibit anyone saying someone IS the AC. But I believe it is fair game to say "I believe this is a great candidate, for these reasons." At some point the conditional statements will fall by the way side, but I suspect this Board would too, by that time.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby savedbygrace on Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:54 pm

Obama is a bumbling, blundering, stuttering speaker, that's something that is not debatable.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Mr Baldy on Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:55 pm

I believe when it's all said, and done; many will look back at the "road signs" that Herb often mentioned, that some often forget - they will see that even though he never said who the AC was....he was actually right in his implication of who this man is.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby DneprCowboy on Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:59 pm

I've been leaning heavily toward Obama being the false prophet of Revelation lately. He will probably sign the US up for any and all terrible UN programs, including the AOC. I don't think the AC has to be very charismatic. The FP actually has people worshipping his image. Most images are not oozing charisma. I'm of the notion that the US is babylon as well. Obama could make a deal with Solana, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. I'll get people to come together and worship you, and you do me a bunch of favors in return. The ten kings and the beast will hate the whore(the great city that rules over the kings of the earth). Perhaps Obama and Solana will have a major disagreement? With those two egos, it would be kinda like trying to have a rock band with two lead singers. Or perhaps domestic US political pressure will force them into a disagreement, so it's the city (washington, dc) they hate and destroy, not the FP (obama).

My latest brainstorm,

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby 301 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:27 pm

Just ran across this ... whatcha think ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYA46VzQdAI
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby jwrquest on Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:53 am

El Gallo: I find it interesting that the guy who started the post "SO IS IT OBAMA OR SOLANA" is giving me a hard time! #:-) Maybe you should have wrote: "DO YOU THINK IT MAY BE........" If I broke a rule you broke it at the get go! 8-) Anyways...I didn't say it was definitely Solana.
My reasons for leaning toward Solana are too many to mention here. My point was that I think if one was to put them side by side and compare their bios and the organizations their are a part of and their world stage accomplishments...Obama is in his daipers sucking on a bottle....imho.
Karl Rove to George Bush? C'mon El Gallo....I don't consider myself worthy to debate in many areas after reading your posts, but this one is easy. Obama and Solana are from two different organizations. Solana has emergency powers over the militaries of 47 countries!!! Oh yeah.....he gets to declare what is an emergency! He brokered the ENP! He has been brokering peace deals on the world stage for a decade. He holds arguably the 3 most powerful positions in Europe. Charter 666, Article 666, his name when tallied up equals six hundred and sixty six! The first time that he was spotlighted on the news in the U.S. was on 6/6/06! In a thorough investigation of this guy many more things line up according to prophecy for him and that's more than my opinion.
I have read recently that the U.N. is going to succede their powers to the E.U.. I will search for that link (google and you shall find). Obama has his bill ready for the next Senate session that gives the U.N. .7% of our GNP, the authority to take our handguns, the authority to make decisions concerning our businesses, the authority to make decisions concerning womens and childrens rights (forced abortion?) and authority to make decisions concerning parental rights. When this bill goes through it will limit the Presidents and the government authority in this country. And if (when) the U.N. is absorbed into the E.U. guess who has power over the U.S.? The E.U.!
I don't know for sure who the AC is yet but here is my point......I firmly believe that the reason a large portion of people think Obama is the #1 contender is that they haven't read ALL the info on Solana.
I just saw today on the cover of People Mag ( or one of those type mags) a picture of Obama nibbling on his wifes ear and inside was supposed to be some story about there love secrets and their close romantic relationship.Ooooops, looks like he loves women! Solana lives by himself away from his wife and kids.If I remember correctly they aren't even in the same country. Hmmm...he may not have the love of women in him!?
A side by side comparison will imho show that Obama is not a candidate for AC. Obama is a tool to swoon the people of the U.S. and a tool to change the worlds opinion of us after Bush played bad cop. It's all a very well funded and orchestrated machine. It takes the research in many different areas to get the whole picture.
On this I know we can agree....God is on the throne and Jesus who came in the flesh is coming to get His own and all that haven't bent their knees willingly and confessed that Jesus is Lord willingly will be forced to do it against their will and it will crush them. Praise God!!!!
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby IamtheWalrus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:26 pm

jwrquest wrote:I just saw today on the cover of People Mag ( or one of those type mags) a picture of Obama nibbling on his wifes ear and inside was supposed to be some story about there love secrets and their close romantic relationship.Ooooops, looks like he loves women! Solana lives by himself away from his wife and kids.If I remember correctly they aren't even in the same country. Hmmm...he may not have the love of women in him!?


This is a common misinterpretation. The phrase....."nor the desire of women"

The desire of women refers to Jesus, in that all women desired the honor of bearing the Messiah and understanding "desire" as it is used in Haggai 2:7 Jewish women desired to be mothers with a view to Him, the promised seed of the woman Gen 30:23 Luk 1:25, 28
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby jwrquest on Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:27 pm

Iamthewalrus: I didn't quite get what you were saying about the lack of desire for women interpretation. Learn me. I've never heard that line of interpretation before. Thanx.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby 1whowaits on Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:04 pm

I would agree with walrus, in the context of scripture the 'desire of women' or the 'desired of women' would be a reference to the Messiah. It was the desire of all Hebrew women to be the mother of the Messiah, it would be a position of special honor. The AC sets himself over the messiah which is clear from Dan 11 and 2 Thess 2 as he sets himself above God amd calls himself god.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Mr Baldy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:19 pm

Nevertheless, jwrquest, I agree with you, and I think you are right on point. El gallo has been very dogmatic about Obama being the Antichrist, and he hasn't presented one shred of scriptural evidence (in any of his threads), to back his very rhetorical theories.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby savedbygrace on Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:36 pm

Mr Baldy wrote:Nevertheless, jwrquest, I agree with you, and I think you are right on point. El gallo has been very dogmatic about Obama being the Antichrist, and he hasn't presented one shred of scriptural evidence (in any of his threads), to back his very rhetorical theories.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby kyle on Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:47 pm

jwrquest wrote:Iamthewalrus: I didn't quite get what you were saying about the lack of desire for women interpretation. Learn me. I've never heard that line of interpretation before. Thanx.


I've heard it before. Basically, "the desire of women" was a Jewish term for the Messiah at that time because it was what many (if not all) Jewish women desired - to be the mother of the Messiah. So saying that the beast will have no regard for the desire of women is saying that he'll have no regard for Christ.

My question for walrus or anyone else familiar with that interpretation - is there some sort of source other than other Bible teachers that shows that as a Jewish term for the messiah? Has it been used elsewhere in non-Biblical texts to refer to the Messiah?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby c.alt on Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:47 pm

MrBaldy wrote:
Nevertheless, jwrquest, I agree with you, and I think you are right on point. El gallo has been very dogmatic about Obama being the Antichrist, and he hasn't presented one shred of scriptural evidence (in any of his threads), to back his very rhetorical theories.


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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby El Gallo on Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:22 am

Jwrquest: When I said
Btw, I was reminded Board rules prohibit anyone saying someone IS the AC. But I believe it is fair game to say "I believe this is a great candidate, for these reasons." At some point the conditional statements will fall by the way side, but I suspect this Board would too, by that time.
, I was not taking you to task. Instead, I was talking about the fact that I have been very intrigued about Obama since the primaries, but am pretty sure I have never said he was the AC. The headliner here was just a conversation starter, so to speak. Nonetheless I was told, as Mr. Baldy repeats, that is my position, and elsewhere was reminded that is against Board rules. So I was just making sure my position that I am not labeling him as AC is clear. To be clear, I was not talking about your post.

Mr. Baldy: My intent is to explore everything I can about this Obama-mania phenomenon. On the way, I have used scripture to further points; for instance, by tying Obama into the Books of Revelation (“Throne of Satan”), Matthew (“Behold, I saw Satan, as lightning, fall from heaven.”) and Isaiah (several references, including tying Chapter 14 into Matthew). Further, I have seen other posters comparing Obama to scriptural evidence.

As jwrquest points out, we already know quite a bit about Solana. Obama is obviously an entirely new matter, and so that is where I have been digging – particularly since I am of the Islamic Paradigm persuasion, and am exploring if Obama ties into that. (IATW is politely holding his fire on that one, but you may be amused to hear that my going in that direction has some Islamic Paradigm folks on another site pretty sideways with me.)

I take "dogmatic" to be strident and unwilling to consider real evidence. Bottom line is that I believe I am persistent in pushing the view that Obama is, by dint of circumstance, time, place, power, and, yes, scripture, a strong candidate, but hopefully am not dogmatic. It is a dirty job to explore this area, but someone has to do it! Until it is clear Obama is no more than an eschatological flash in the pan, I think it is worthwhile to run this “lead” to ground.

I hope I have not come across as talking down to anybody (Pride goes before the fall!) but obviously seem to have irritated some folks. I meant no offense. Cordial exchanges must not break down in a place like this, at a time like this, b/c there are likely much more difficult times on the horizon, when unity will be incredibly important.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby savedbygrace on Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:07 pm

El Gallo, I have found your posts very interesting and thought provoking. Keep up the good commentary.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby DivineWatch on Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:23 pm

El Gallo is correct. We cannot stand divided.
Which one of us can say that we have the answer?

The only stumbling block to finding the truth is an arrogant belief that we already possess it.

Someone once said something along those lines, and I wholeheartedly agree. Which of us is 100% correct? NONE.
Prophecy will continue to be revealed until the end.

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Daniel 12:4

Well, THAT prophecy is coming true, with many running to and fro between the scriptures and looking for the answers. Don't you see? WE are supposed to be questioning, supposed to be watching, continuing to search the scriptures. The closer we get, the more that will be revealed. Was Recommendation 666 around 20 years ago? NO. Those watching for prophetic signs just a few years ago could never have commented on it simply because it didn't exist. Was Islam in the western nations, threatening the democracies as it is today? No, it was on the rise - but we felt it was far away and we were shielded from it.

Likewise, Obama was a no name until just this year. How many people knew of him just a year or two ago? He has risen from obscurity, a "little horn". How do any of us know that Javier won't be one of the three Kings overthrown by the little horn?

Herb Peters may have been absolutely correct in his assumptions, or he may have just uncovered one PIECE of the mystery to be revealed to the Saints.

What I am trying to point out here is that El Gallo and others are showing that there is more than just one view at the moment. At the AOD, we will all know. It will be revealed to us.

Javier fits in better with the European/Rome endtimes scenario, and Obama is the better fit for the MiddleEast endtimes scenario. Let us all remember that in order for the one world government to become a reality, these powers will have to eventually merge. Did Javier reconfirm the ENP? Yes. Does that exclude Obama from doing the same? NO. How many times have we seen covenants of peace initiated in the Middle East? How many times have we seen the covenants "reconfirmed", the treaties of peace agreed upon, and then broken? How many pictures of handshakes between the Israelis and the Palestinians have been broadcast through your television? Somebody count them for me, I've lost track.

All I'm saying is that the LAST people who should be closing our minds to possibilities to should be God's people. Javier Solano does meet some of the scriptures, but so does Obama. Show me the people that worship Javier, and I'll show you videos of those that worship Obama. Show me where Javier has been arrogant, and I'll show you where Obama has been arrogant. That goes with scripture, too. Tell me how Javier can possibly be called an "Assyrian", and I'll show you how Obama can be called that.

We may very well see someone who isn't even named as of yet rise to be the beast. We do not know, Herb Peters didn't know, and we are all commanded to watch and search the scriptures. More and more will be revealed to us, and TOGETHER we must look for answers.

Please don't shut your minds to what scripture says. Don't exclude any other viewpoint simply because it doesn't fit with what you've thought all along. Study the other viewpoints. Study and compare them to the word of God. Study and compare them to what's happening in the world. There is little time left to compare notes, for many reasons.

Remember this; "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst. Amos 8:11-13

The spirit of God is in each one of us, to show us and lead us to the truth. I have my beliefs after studying and they have changed a great deal in the last year - but I do understand that those beliefs MAY change as I continue to study.

What will both of these men do? What about others who might be rising up right now? We are all babies next to God's perfect knowledge. Keep learning, keep studying,

Search the scriptures, search for the truth while there is time.

Thank you, El Gallo, for being brave enough to stand up and say "Christians, what do you think?"
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Mr Baldy on Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:52 pm

El Gallo wrote:

I take "dogmatic" to be strident and unwilling to consider real evidence. Bottom line is that I believe I am persistent in pushing the view that Obama is, by dint of circumstance, time, place, power, and, yes, scripture, a strong candidate, but hopefully am not dogmatic. It is a dirty job to explore this area, but someone has to do it! Until it is clear Obama is no more than an eschatological flash in the pan, I think it is worthwhile to run this “lead” to ground.


El Gallo, some are very talented in expressing what they view to be true; without, calling it dogmatic. Not that you have to personally apologize to me, or others who "may" have viewed your stance as being "dogmatic"; however, I do appreciate your willingness to come forth and state that you are hopefully not being dogmatic.

My concern is that you have suggested that your interpretation of scripture seems to fit Obama as being the Antichrist. I have read your interpretations, and I categorically disagree. I'm no Obama supporter, and just to clarify things, I love "Evidence". Or in other words..... Show me the facts! And that based on Scripture. In your threads concerning Obama being even close to the Antichrist, in my humble opinion, you have come up short. There will be no American Antichrist; in that none would be qualified to take control of this emerging Revived Roman Empire; and not to mention, Obama is certainly not Roman....Daniel 9:26 is clear that this person/prince will come from the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary.

False assumptions, not supported by Scripture can often lead those who are looking for the Truth to be lead astray, and/or be misguided.
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Exit40 on Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:05 am

I have no problem with El Gallo's research and commentary. He's quite good, actually, IMO. And this is what we do here, research and explore to see if current events fit the Scripture. I suppose though we should all be careful to not be like the wide receiver anticipating a catch and run for a touchdown who runs off before he catches the ball. Anticipation may cause us to lose our focus.

I'm not so sure about Obama as to his role, but I'm of the mind the ten kings of the fourth beast kingdom must arise first, before the little horn comes up to uproot three.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


And he must become strong with a small people.

Dan 11:23 And after the league [made] with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

There are many Scriptures that need to be fulfilled precisely, exactly to the jot and tittle before we can know for sure. And Divinewatch is correct, the aod will be the telltale event. Here the ac labels himself for us, our work then begins in earnest.

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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby jgilberAZ on Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:22 am

Mr Baldy wrote: There will be no American Antichrist; in that none would be qualified to take control of this emerging Revived Roman Empire; and not to mention, Obama is certainly not Roman....Daniel 9:26 is clear that this person/prince will come from the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary.

False assumptions, not supported by Scripture can often lead those who are looking for the Truth to be lead astray, and/or be misguided.


Yes, false assumptions not based on scripture can lead people astray. Including the assumption that the Antichrist must be Roman, and/or be the leader of a Revived Roman Empire.

This is a cut/paste from another thread:

I wrote:
Skywalker2B wrote:I don't think Obama is the AC. He doesn't fit the bill. If I'm not mistaken, the AC is supposed to be of Roman heritage.



He is to be the prince of the people who destroy the sanctuary and the city. Who was that? Most people say, "Rome." And, it's true, the Roman army destroyed the sanctuary and the city. But, does Daniel say the prince of the Army or Empire that destroy the sanctuary and the city? No. It says the prince of the people ... and who were the people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructio ... ond_Temple

wiki wrote:Titus surrounded the city, with three legions (V Macedonica, XII Fulminata, XV Apollinaris) on the western side and a fourth (X Fretensis) on the Mount of Olives to the east.


http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedi ... an-legions

V Macedonica == Based in Turda, Romania
XII Fulminata == Based in Malatya, Turkey
XV Apollinaris == Based in Saddagh, Turkey
X Fretensis == Based in Jerusalem

nationmaster wrote:Until the first century BC, Republican legions were temporary citizen levies, raised for specific campaigns and disbanded after them. By the early first century BC, legions were mixed volunteer/conscript units. Legions became standing units, which could remain intact long after a particular campaign was finished.


So, who were the people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary?

Josephus wrote:It was in Caesarea that the events took place which led to the final war. This magnificent city was inhabited by two races--the Syrian Greeks, who were heathens, and the Jews. The two parties violently contended for the preeminence. The Jews were the more wealthy; but the Roman soldiery, levied chiefly in Syria, took part with their countrymen.
emphasis mine

http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/from_wh ... _comes.htm

http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/roman.html


Mr Baldy wrote:Daniel 9:26 is clear that this person/prince will come from the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary.


The people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary were more likely Syrian than Roman.


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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby lambslave on Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:12 pm

I believe he is Russian, probably Putin. Jewish name. His god, force. Ruthless. Deceptive. He will attack us, the body of Christ, through someone else, terrorists, who have built explosive nuclear devices in several US cities, 10, I believe, at least. When they are all detonated, causing terrible loss of life followed by famine, it will be this event which earns for the perpetrator the name, Abomination of Desolation. That is my guess anyway. LS
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Final Trumpet on Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:35 pm

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain; let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of Jehovah cometh, for it is nigh at hand
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby Tex on Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:31 am

Just a thought, did Obama rise among 10 kings when he went to Berlin, Germany (1 of the 10) on his world tour and proclaim himself a "Citizen of the World"..."The ONE we've all been waiting for". Germany was Hitler's (type of AC) old stomping ground. After Obama's trip, the world just went crazy about him and we saw all these polls about how Obama would win a world election with "99%" type headlines.

COULD THIS FULFILL HIM COMING UP AMONG THE 10 CORE NATIONS OF THE WEU?
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby joymart on Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:42 pm

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jwrquest and kyle

The desire of women is to be free ,and to be respected, be educated, make her own decisions, etc.
Women are beat, treated as property and otherwise at the mercy of cruel men all over the world...raped, killed in honor killings....it is disgusting what happens to women. Don't believe me? I have some pretty horrible websites I'd like to direct you to.

I am no feminist...at least not in the American sense of the word, but I sure do believe that the treatment of women in most of the world is a sin against God.

The AC has that "women are not equal" mindset. That is another strong reason I believe he is Islamic.

As for wanting to be the Mother of the Messiah....that would only apply to Jewish women anyway, so I think it is a wrong interpretation.

My opinion.....and thank God here in America I can have one, being a woman and all! :(
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Re: SO IS IT SOLANA OR OBAMA?

Postby kyle on Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:50 am

joymart wrote:[code][/code]
jwrquest and kyle

The desire of women is to be free ,and to be respected, be educated, make her own decisions, etc.
Women are beat, treated as property and otherwise at the mercy of cruel men all over the world...raped, killed in honor killings....it is disgusting what happens to women. Don't believe me? I have some pretty horrible websites I'd like to direct you to.

I am no feminist...at least not in the American sense of the word, but I sure do believe that the treatment of women in most of the world is a sin against God.

The AC has that "women are not equal" mindset. That is another strong reason I believe he is Islamic.

As for wanting to be the Mother of the Messiah....that would only apply to Jewish women anyway, so I think it is a wrong interpretation.

My opinion.....and thank God here in America I can have one, being a woman and all! :(


At first you threw me off, by directing it to me since I hadn't posted in this thread for a while, and forgot what I posted, lol. It's OK though, although I should point out that I didn't say that I agreed with the interpretation just that I heard it before. I'll ask you though a paraphrase of the same question I asked about the previous interpretation. "is there some sort of source other than websites or other people's interpretations that shows the desire of women to be meaning what you said it means? Has it been used elsewhere in non-Biblical texts to refer to something similar?"
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