/sigh... Palin wants a two-state solution.

[burien1]

Wow! Taken directly from an Obama website. Fight the smears was created strictly in support of Obama, I really don`t think they will show you anything negative against their candidate. If you truly believe in research, why don`t you read the threads on Obama that real God fearing Christians have contributed in the presidential election thread. Most Christians take the commands not to lie seriously, so I would seriously consider what they have to say on the subject and what they have presented here on this board to keep us informed. I would give far more weight to their character than I would to Obama`s campaign workers. Here is just one example out of many;

Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion Over Wishes of Individual States a Priority for Presidency

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08061010.html

"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama said in his July speech to abortion advocates worried about the increase of pro-life legislation at the state level

The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion.

Besides making abortion on demand a "fundamental right" throughout the United States, FOCA would effectively nullify informed consent laws, waiting periods, health safety regulations for abortion clinics, etc.

Furthermore, medical professionals and institutions that refused abortions also would lose legal protections. FOCA would expose individuals, organizations, and governments - including federal, state, and local government agencies - to costly civil actions for purported violations of the act.

See related links:

Sen. Barack Obama's July 17, 2007 Speech to Planned Parenthood (transcript): http://lauraetch.googlepages.com/barack ... annedpar...

Video footage of Obama's speech can be obtained here: http://www.imoneinamillion.com/

Senate version of FOCA: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c ... 110IoO...::

House version of FOCA: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c ... 110IoO...::

See related coverage by LifeSiteNews.com:

Barack Obama Wrests Pro-Abortion Pro-Gay Standard of Democratic Party from Hillary Clinton
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08060409.html

Editorial: The Hope of a Sophist: The Rhetoric of Barack Obama
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08030507.html

Obama: "Biggest Mistake" Was Vote to Help Terri Schiavo
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08022805.html

Obama says Sermon on the Mount Supports Same-Sex Unions
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08030412.html

"Philosopher of Abortion Movement" Says Obama A Better Choice than Hillary
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08021910.html

Catholic Priest Has Only Glowing Praise for Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual Marriage Candidate Barack Obama
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jan/07011804.html

Obama on the March to Claim Victory Over Hillary
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/may/08052010.html

Obama potential vp pick is most extreme pro-abortion Catholic governor
Columnist Rovert Novak calls her "the national pro-choice poster girl."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/may/08052805.html

Archbishop Chaput to Obama Catholics: If You're Serious Catholics, You'll Be Serious About Making Your Candidate Pro-Life, Not Editing My Words
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/may/08052107.html

Obama Supports Sex-Education in Kindergarten, Romney Strikes Back
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07072005.html

We don`t have any decent choices for the presidency in my humble opinion. But everything about this man goes against what the Bible teaches us about righteousness. Listen to what he thinks about the Bible;
http://www.christianadc.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=38840

GG: What do you believe?
OBAMA: I am a Christian. So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.
On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences. I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10. My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim. And I'd say, probably, intellectually I've drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith.

(Obama says he is a Christian, but one that is influenced by other religions. This is a recurrent theme. Obama either does not see or will not affirm that Christianity is superior to or contrary to other religions. The Christian confession is that "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.")


So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.

(Obama denies the uniqueness of Christ and the Christian faith. He reduces Christianity to only one of "many paths." Christians confess that there is only one name under heaven whereby you must be saved, Jesus Christ.)

I wish I had more time to go into this now, but I don`t. Like I said, read all the threads here on obama. His sins aren`t from 28 years ago. I for one don`t want him for president under any circumstances. And I definitely don`t want him appointing the lifetime appointments of the 44 appellate courts and federal judges that are coming up. I won`t say what I think of Bush, but he has appointed 1/3 of the federal judges that are out there right now, and they are conservative. The next president will have the power to make lifetime appointments. That may not be important to some people, but as someone who wants our constitution upheld, it`s important to me who sits on the bench. It is a priority to me when it comes to who I will cast my vote for. But I will also fast and pray before it`s time to vote and pray for the Lord to guide me to do his will. Seek the truth.

[D4Christ]

Wow! Taken directly from an Obama website. Fight the smears was created strictly in support of Obama, I really don`t think they will show you anything negative against their candidate....

Now, why would I have to go to the Obama website to read something negative about him when I can just log on to FP.

I wish I had more time to go into this now, but I don`t. Like I said, read all the threads here on obama. His sins aren`t from 28 years ago....

If he was old as McCain they would be. I'll do my research and weigh carefully as to whether or not my conscience will vote for a man shot down on his first mission to continue to keep young men and women with familes overseas dying...for what...I'm not sure. Seek the truth, right? Agreed.

[sherrimae]

Soonverysoon, I agree with you. I cannot vote for a man who supports and condones the slaughter of innocent unborn babies. Obama has said publicly that one of the first things he will do if elected is to remove all restrictions on abortion. There's no telling now many more innocent children would die because of this.

My conscience tells me that I should vote for McCain in an effort to stop this. If Obama gets to appoint several more Supreme Court justices, there will never be any hope of decreasing abortions.

[Swayde]

Soonverysoon, I agree with you. I cannot vote for a man who supports and condones the slaughter of innocent unborn babies. Obama has said publicly that one of the first things he will do if elected is to remove all restrictions on abortion. There's no telling now many more innocent children would die because of this.

My conscience tells me that I should vote for McCain in an effort to stop this. If Obama gets to appoint several more Supreme Court justices, there will never be any hope of decreasing abortions.

I don't think a Republican is the answer. I don't see things having improved any under Bush's watch, nope, I see them having gotten worse, along with the entire world. I am not saying it's Bush's fault, I just don't think he could or would do anything to change the moral issues in our country. Also, isn't McCain the most liberal Republican, or at least one of the most liberal Republicans? So even if he chooses a liberal conservative, I don't see anything changing. He's not likely to pick any true conservatives, at least not in my opinion.

[FreeInHim]

I don't think a Republican is the answer. I don't see things having improved any under Bush's watch, nope, I see them having gotten worse, along with the entire world. I am not saying it's Bush's fault, I just don't think he could or would do anything to change the moral issues in our country. Also, isn't McCain the most liberal Republican, or at least one of the most liberal Republicans? So even if he chooses a liberal conservative, I don't see anything changing. He's not likely to pick any true conservatives, at least not in my opinion.

[IamtheWalrus]

I could agree with everything Obama believes in, but if he still continues to support the massacre of unborn babies...I will vote against him. That is the deciding factor for me. Being a Christian, every life is precious and a gift from God. Obama may call himself a Christian, but with his support for abortion, I believe he is denying one of the fundamental qualities of being a Christian.
Those who call themselves Christian and support abortion, IMO, are denying the source of God's grace, that comes directly from the Holy Spirit.

There are many people in this world that are products of rape, incest, and unwanted pregnancies that ended up being delivered into the world. Their life is just as a part of God's plan as I am, and you are, and everyone else in this world is.

[D4Christ]

So, you're voting for a candidate that supports homosexuality, abortion, socialism and all kinds of other dirty stuff, because you think he'll be "best" for this country? That's like giving satan or hitler a vote.

We have had past presidents who have supported abortion and the rights of the LGBT community but what makes Obama more "evil" than the rest? I wish some people would stop hiding behind abortion and tell us what they really think about having Obama as president. Get it off of your chest. Trust me it is nothing that we haven't heard before in America.

Btw, did you know your girl Palin had no problem with rights for homosexuals? And I guess you're okay with McCain who flip flops on embryonic stem cell research...aren't they babies too?

I challenged you anti-abortion supporters on another thread and asked why you don't have the guts to take it one step further. If the government can come to a women who is newly pregnant (I do not believe that abortion should be legal after the baby can survive without mom...and for the record abortion is wrong and it is a sin) and tell her that she has no right to terminate her pregnancy because according to Christian morality it is wrong, why can't the government help her to not get pregnant in the first place?

I propose that if the government can step in to prevent the sin of abortion that they can step in to prevent the more serious sin of fornication, which scriptures state is the most dangerous because it affects the body like no other sin. Bring back chastity belts for men and women that are not removed until they are married. That way aborting babies can be avoided and the sin of fornication which leads to the abortions will be elimated.

How many people so willing to outrageously compare Obama to Hitler and Satan engage in the sin of fornication daily?

Now, if you are serious as you seem to be why not support the government interference of both sins, one of which we are warned is more dangerous for us.

Something about people in glass houses....It all goes back to the thread I started on which sin is more tolerable for you. But please unless you want your own glass house to come tumbling down around you, I feel it is inappropriate to state that my Obama vote is a vote for Satan or Hitler, which is truly offensive (though I agree with your right to say it).



YSIC,
Deirdre

[Salty Skipper]

state that my Obama vote is a vote for Satan or Hitler, which is truly offensive

Our girl Palin? My Obama? Are you campaigning for him?

[D4Christ]

state that my Obama vote is a vote for Satan or Hitler, which is truly offensive

Our girl Palin? My Obama? Are you campaigning for him?

Its just semantics, SS. I only used 'your girl' as a phrase to indicate those who support McCain. The other phrase was "My Obama vote" don't get it twisted. Others on this thread talk about McCain like they know him and often refer to their vote for him. Not a big deal.

And no, I am not campaigning for him, but if I was it would be my buisness...approval from FP not needed. But I do wear my Barack paraphenilla whenever I get the chance. I've got on my, No Way, No How, NO McCain button today.

[mouserpg]

Btw, did you know your girl Palin had no problem with rights for homosexuals?

Last I checked, she pretty much said marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman, no exceptions.

[D4Christ]

Btw, did you know your girl Palin had no problem with rights for homosexuals?

Last I checked, she pretty much said marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman, no exceptions.

I am not talking about marriage. She said she had no problems with rights for the LGBT community on same sex benefits. Something that surprised even the CNN commentators. Then she refused to elaborate when asked if she agreed with Biden that there should be no distinction between rights for committed gay couples and committed heterosexual couples. (Personally I think gay couples are not entitled to all of the rights of married couples)

This was her akward answer during the VP debate, in which she refused to elaborate after beinng directly asked to do so.

See the video here.