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Sunny wrote:I have bounced back and forth between pre-wrath and post-trib, but I am leaning more toward post-trib now.
Sunny wrote:Well, I am not sure how He is going to do it, but He does say that He will send His angels to gather His elect from the four corners of heaven and earth, so somehow He's going to get us all together! :)
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
Also there is the "caught up" verse:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I don't know if that fits with how we picture the Rapture... but I do believe there will be some kind of gathering/catching away of the saints.
If that's the only verse that is the basis for a rapture (and so far it seems to be), then it doesn't pass the test for proper exegesis which requires that the meaning not only comes from within the text, but it must also confirm the truth throughout the entire Word of God.
Seeker wrote:Hi Abiding,If that's the only verse that is the basis for a rapture (and so far it seems to be), then it doesn't pass the test for proper exegesis which requires that the meaning not only comes from within the text, but it must also confirm the truth throughout the entire Word of God.Try these scriptures they confirm the rapture. It is the timing that confuses everyone.
The timing confuses everyone because that's what they are focusing on. But, imho, they are focusing on an event that has very little, if any, scriptural support outside of one or two verses.Here in 1Cor. the rapture or changing is associated with the resurrection. The dead shall be raised and we shall be changed.
Raised from the dead doesn't necessarily imply "raised" to heaven. It simply implies the dead come to life or are no longer dead. "Changed" implies just that, but doesn't imply "changed" in a heavenly environment as we think of heaven. We can be changed in the twinkling of an eye and remain right here on earth.Once we connect the rapture to the resurrection then we can read about the rapture everywhere the resurrection is spoken of.
I do not see scripture mentioning the "place" where the resurrected stay for eternity being heaven. I see the place where the resurrected live for eternity on the new earth in Rev. 21 &22.When we broaden our perspective and understand that the resurrection occurs just prior to the rapture
You can see that the resurrection occurs just prior to the "changing" but nothing more imo. I'm all for broadening my perspective if there are scriptures that say what you are saying, but I'm opposed to reading something into them that isn't there.then scriptures and post-trib make a lot of sense.
Raised from the dead doesn't necessarily imply "raised" to heaven. It simply implies the dead come to life or are no longer dead. "Changed" implies just that, but doesn't imply "changed" in a heavenly environment as we think of heaven. We can be changed in the twinkling of an eye and remain right here on earth.
Sunny wrote:Here are some of my favorite scriptures promising that we can be hidden in the day of the Lord's anger:
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
Psa 27:5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock
Psa 31:19 [Oh] how great [is] thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; [which] thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men!
Psa 31:20 Thou shalt hide them in the secret of thy presence from the pride of man: thou shalt keep them secretly in a pavilion from the strife of tongues.
Psa 143:9 Deliver me, O LORD, from mine enemies: I flee unto thee to hide me.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
And finally, the Tribulation Psalm. No other time in history could all these apply other than the Tribulation.
1. He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2. I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
3. Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, [and] from the noisome pestilence.
4. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth [shall be thy] shield and buckler.
5. Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; [nor] for the arrow [that] flieth by day;
6. [Nor] for the pestilence [that] walketh in darkness; [nor] for the destruction [that] wasteth at noonday.
7. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee.
8. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
9. Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation;
10. There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12. They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
14. Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
15. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I [will be] with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
16. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
Then the dead in Christ rise first and we who remain and alive are changed to meet the Lord in the air upon His arrival. We run out to greet Him as He enters town and follow Him back into town to live happily ever after with our new King.
Abiding in His Word wrote:Then the dead in Christ rise first and we who remain and alive are changed to meet the Lord in the air upon His arrival. We run out to greet Him as He enters town and follow Him back into town to live happily ever after with our new King.
Now we are in agreement. We run out to greet him (in the air) and the "new earth" is where we live happily ever after with our King. I'm not sure this rapture is what most believe, however. The theory I'm reading is that we will be translated (which is true) and will reside in heaven (in the sky/air) forever and ever as this world has passed away. In that respect, I disagree with the rapture as it seems to be interpreted as a "catching up" and remaining "up."My view of the rapture is that it is after the sinners have been removed. This is to stay consistent with Matt 13 where it plainly states that the tares are removed first. The ones that are left alive are the very last group to board the bus. The sinners are taken first (Matt 13) and then the dead in Christ rise first (1Th4, 1Co15) and then lastly we who remain alive are changed to be forever with the Lord. My view is consistent with scripture. The "change" in a twinkling of an eye is our transformation from mortal to immortal. This only occurs once eternity starts.
Seeker wrote:Yes I do believe that the bible teaches that we will be here until the very end. I think you are correct that many don't understand what heaven will be like.
We don't go to heaven for a big family reunion
we go to heaven to serve the Lord and worship Him. Our focus will be God not ourselves. The wonders He has prepared for us can't even be imagined.
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