No one knows the day or hour, but...

[Tevye]

Here in Amos does God give us an indication
of the time when 'the sign' will take place?
(when the 'sign' will begin to happen)

"In that day,"
declares the Sovereign LORD,
"I will make the sun go down at noon
and darken the earth in broad daylight.
Amos 8:9

Are the other parts of the chapter
also a hint to the timing of the rapture?
(i.e. the mentioned new moon and sabbath prior to the sun event)
Not that the rapture will happen at noon
but that the 'sign' (in the sun, moon and stars)
would begin at the time in this scripture
on a specific day and Jewish feast
and give us an indication of when
to watch for the unknown moment
of Jesus' return to gather the elect. (the rapture)





These questions are not for those
who do not believe in
and are against the pre-wrath view.

For all others who do
and may believe in the truth of His coming
feel free to consider the possibilities.

[jesusrocks]

Tevye,

I don't know, but I am reading THE FEASTS OF THE LORD by Marvin Rosenthall and he ties in Rash Hashana with the rapture as told by a prewrath view. I will look for support regarding your question and post it if I find it.

[rtaft]

If we were to assume this meant there will be a total eclipse at noon in Israel, then we could look right at NASA's website to get dates. Aug 1 2008 and March 20 2015 seem to be the best fitting ones. They cover Israel, but are not total eclipses in Israel itself (none are). Both of these cross Israel at midday. Aug 20 2027 is the next one and best fits this scenario but seems a little outside the expected time frame.

[Tevye]

Tevye,

I don't know, but I am reading THE FEASTS OF THE LORD by Marvin Rosenthall and he ties in Rash Hashana with the rapture as told by a prewrath view. I will look for support regarding your question and post it if I find it.

Hello Jesusrocks,

Great book!
I liked it.
Met Marv once
he has perspectives
I would agree with.

Peace in Yeshua
Tevye

[Downpour]

I don't think we should look for solar eclipses, since that would be to easy to make it a a natural phenomenon. I think the sun being darkened at noon will be an event that will take everyone by surprise it won't be an eclipse it will be a supernatural sign from God!!

And since it's usually Israel that God focuses his signs by. We, on the under side of the pond will get shock up and woken by an earthquake, and we will see the blood red moon. Actually everyone will feel that earthquake!!

[Sue-M]

But what's interesting is....

Genesis 1:14 (King James Version)

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


Signs=H226
אות
'ôth
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Probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.: - mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.

Seasons=H4150
מועדה מעד מועד
mô‛êd mô‛êd mô‛âdâh
mo-ade', mo-ade', mo-aw-daw'
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand): - appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

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I don't know. I just thought that this was very interesting.

[Sue-M]

What's interesting is that only those that are looking will or might notice that these are not just any "blood moons" or "eclipses of the sun". To those that are not "looking for Jesus to return", these would just be regular eclipses of the sun and moon.

[Seeker]

Hi Sue,

No one will confuse the cosmic signs as normal eclipses. There is more that happens besides the sun and moon going dark.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Notice the stars falling from heaven and the powers of heaven shaken.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Peace,
Seeker

[smallisland]

I am reading THE FEASTS OF THE LORD by Marvin Rosenthall and he ties in Rash Hashana with the rapture as told by a prewrath view.

I am convinced about Rosh Hashana and the rapture. Does Marvin R think it will be RH of 2010 then? Does he believe we are in the last 7 years?

[oldbeans316]

I don't think the Scripture says that we cannot know the day nor hour.

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.”
(Mat 24:36)

Jesus used the perfect indicative verb for "know" in His statement, literally, "no one has known." The perfect tense indicates action completed in the past with continuing results. The past nature of the perfect tense is relative to the time of the speaker. In short, when Jesus spoke this, He was saying that no one currently knew the exact day and hour of His return.

Jesus did not rule out someone knowing at some particular point in the future. If He had meant that then He would have used the future indicative verb, "no one shall know."

Neither did he rule out the possibility for someone knowing. If He had meant that then He would have used the present subjunctive verb, "no one may know."

All Jesus was saying was that at the time He spoke, no one had gained this knowledge, not even Him. This fact is important because the entire discourse in which He made this statement (Matthew chapters 24 & 25) was intended to tell the disciples when they could know!

[nonymouse]

Welcome, Oldbeans316, and thanks for the explanation.

[D4Christ]

Here's my 2 cents and some change. I do believe that we will know the season we are in. Scriptures say that the DOL comes like a thief in the night, but we will not be surprised when this hapens like others who are asleep or unaware so to speak.

The DOL is G-d's wrath, so why would G-d say we will not be caught off gaurd for an event that we will not experience, for we are not appointed to wrath? Because the sign for the beginning of the DOL happens to be the same sign that signals our rapture. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 that immediately following the Great Tribulation these cosmic signs with the sun, moon and stars will happen...then He will send out His angel to gather His elect,i.e. rapture. So as believers we will not be frightened and perplexed by what is going on as the world will be. We will know exactly what the event means.

However this event only happens when the Great Tribulation is cut short and for that we have no specific time. G-d did not say when He would stop our suffering only that it would not last too long. But we will know the timeframe. The GT begins right after the abomination spoken of by Daniel, 3.5 years into the covenant.

If Herb was correct and the 7 year agreement between Israel and the EU that started on January 2007 is the "one", then the abomination would have to happen by June 2010 and would be stopped before December 2013. From my studies though, I get the feeling that the GT will not even last a year...G-d willing.

YSIC,
Deirdre


P.S.

Oldbeans316