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BobRyan wrote:Post Trib Rapture.
Many have assumed that this it NOT really a rapture to the "place He has prepared for US" according to John 14:1-3 but rather it is a "high bounce" and every body just stays here.
That is where I differ.
The Post-Trib view gets the same "Jesus Raptures the church to heaven" as all the pretrib views which means that the Post-trib option is the BEST of all scenarios because it combines the Bible support of all views.
in Christ,
Bob
I am trying to learn what the post tribbers are saying.
CaryC wrote:I would also point out that all the writings that I have looked at up until the mid 1800's are all post trib. Someone, it may be Rick Joyner, says that the writings of some well known Syrian guy ( Who's name I can't think of either) from like the first century, promotes a pre-trib view, that statement is wrong. If you'll just read this Syrian guys stuff without a pre-trib assumption, it's all post-trib.
CaryC wrote:Hey,
Thanks Peri.
One of the things that my wife and I looked at is....:
Tribulation Saints. Without a post-trib. rapture/resurrection these people are totally left out, and will continually, and eternally, abide in the earth. There is one resurrection for the righteous, and one for the unrighteous. One before the 1000 year reign and one after, for the lost.
Seeker wrote:Hi SueAnn,
Pre-wrath (Christians raptured after the tribulation but before the wrath of God begins)
Post-trib (Christians raptured after the tribulation and after the wrath of God begins)
Pre-wrath believes Christians are with Jesus during the wrath of God. Post-tribbers for the most part believe that Christians will be on earth during the wrath but protected from it like the days of Noah and Lot.
Peace,
Seeker
Seeker wrote:Hi GodsStudent,
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Yes, this is also compelling. Its hard to miss the words LAST DAY from the scriptures. scriptures which call for the dead in Christ to be raised first (which all rapture views agree are calling for a rapture) specifically say the dead in Christ shall rise first. 1 Thes 4: 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.[/color]
Jesus returns at the end of the last 7 years to remove sinners and all things that offend. God lets both the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest. At the harvest the angels “first” gather the tares. In the net parable the “wicked” are removed from among the just. Both groups there at the time the wicked are removed. When we examine everything written concerning the second arrival of Jesus we see that post-trib is the only reasonable explanation that explains all of the different accounts. Christians still have to be here for wicked to be removed from among them. The bible teaches post-trib that is why the first century Christians believed in post-trib. We will be here until the end of the last 7 years. Most people don’t like the thought of going through everything written for the last 7 years. I think Jesus answers that clearly enough for me with this verse.
Well, I would have to say the fog as to the above two verses seems to be lifting. I dont see how any other "view" could "explain" the above two parables. hmmm......
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Specifically in the above verse, the link provided in the first post on this thread talks about Revelation 1-3 and Jesus saying "him who overcometh or overcomes"....overcome gets a different light when its in the form of choosing death in this life in order to choose Christ. So, the view one has does "sort of" matter. Its important to understand what is coming.
Peace,
Seeker
Seeker, Don't worry. Virtual desserts are all calorie-free.
CaryC wrote:Hey,
GodsStudent: First, I would suggest looking at the first post and checking out the link, it really is good for post trib. one of the best actually. Secondly, with your question about the "many mansions", I'm not sure I understand the question. Although, I don't think Jesus has been been going around with a carpenter's nail apron on, for the last 2000 years, building houses. As many preachers put forth, and abuse these verses.
jgilberAZ wrote:One thing I don't understand about post-trib ...
While the view clearly sees and understands the signs that follow the tribulation and precede the Day of the Lord, what does it do with the fact that those signs occur at the sixth seal? Prewrath sees the rapture happening after the sixth seal due to the signs of the Day of the Lord and the multitude appearing in heaven in the next chapter.
How does posttrib reconcile that?
- Jeff
One thing I don't understand about post-trib ...
While the view clearly sees and understands the signs that follow the tribulation and precede the Day of the Lord, what does it do with the fact that those signs occur at the sixth seal? Prewrath sees the rapture happening after the sixth seal due to the signs of the Day of the Lord and the multitude appearing in heaven in the next chapter.
How does posttrib reconcile that?
GodsStudent wrote:BobRyan wrote:Post Trib Rapture.
Many have assumed that this it NOT really a rapture to the "place He has prepared for US" according to John 14:1-3 but rather it is a "high bounce" and every body just stays here.
That is where I differ.
The Post-Trib view gets the same "Jesus Raptures the church to heaven" as all the pretrib views which means that the Post-trib option is the BEST of all scenarios because it combines the Bible support of all views.
in Christ,
Bob
Hi Bob. When you say the Post Trib view gets the same "Jesus Raptures the church to heaven".....when does this happen, exactly? I am trying very hard to understand the post trib view and I take into account, very seriously, the fact that the church immediately following the Apostles (who were taught directly of Jesus) had a uniform understanding of a post trib theology.
I am trying to learn what the post tribbers are saying.
Bob the Quiet wrote:The place He has prepared for us is the very 'dirt beneath our feet'. Jesus is coming HERE after Armageddon, after all. And also since Jesus says that we will be with Him, it is illogical for the place prepared for us to be in Heaven. No, the place is Earth which God in His infinite wisdom created for Himself and for us.
Peacebloom wrote:Great Site
If you'd like to see the main ideas behind post-trib and the history behind it, this site is a great resource.
Much love,
Peacebloom
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