Temple rebuilt

[FarmerBoy]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 79,00.html

New museum with Temple replica to be erected opposite Western Wall. Project’s sponsors include actors Kirk, Michael Douglas

A grandiose museum featuring an elaborated massive replica of the Temple is currently being erected opposite the Western Wall.

The three-storey museum, whose construction is valued at nearly $20 million will be erected in the Aish HaTorah ("Fire of the Torah") Yeshiva complex. The museum will feature a journey through Jewish history, from the days of Abraham to the present, emphasizing the message and significance of the Jewish people’s presence in the Land of Israel and their degree of accomplishment in world improvement.

Rabbi Yehuda Weinberg, in charge of the project’s establishment, told Yedioth Ahronoth Wednesday: "We are not taking a political stance," and added that the museum is also being sponsored by Canadian tycoon, Leslie Dan, a shareholder in Teva pharmaceutical Industries.

In addition to the great lavish interior, the museum’s crowning glory is no doubt the massive amphitheater, whose cost is being sponsored by veteran Hollywood star Kirk Douglas, and his no less famous son, Michael.

The amphitheater will feature a three-dimensional film depicting the history of the Jewish nation over a huge glass screen through which one can see the Western Wall. The museum will also include a learning center with a VIP wing to host movie stars, politicians and other celebrities from Israel and abroad.

The company in charge of the museum’s construction is the same international company that built visitor sites such as the Tower of London Museum and the World Museum Liverpool. The Aloni Company will provide special technology that handles marble polishing for reproducing historical ornamentation.

Ephraim Shor, in charge of the museum curation on behalf of the Yeshiva, commented that "this will be an audio-visual experience incorporating scents, so that the act of entering the Temple will be done with awe of God."

[Downpour]

Wow!!

I wonder if the museum is going to look like the temple?

[AndCanItBe]

A grandiose museum featuring an elaborated massive replica of the Temple is currently being erected opposite the Western Wall.

Sure sounds like it might! My geography is not so good. Is opposite the Western Wall a location that could be consistent with scripture? I wonder if there is a sketch anywhere of the design.

[milo3]

Whoa good find FarmerBoy.

milo3

[milo3]

Here are some links to photo's and architectural drawings.

Photos

http://www.aish.com/branches/display_building.asp?branch=Jerusalem

Drawings

http://www.aish.com/aishint/building/architectural_drawings.asp

milo3

[AndCanItBe]

Thanks so much, Milo! I tried searching for it myself, but I must not have been using the right search terms.

[AndCanItBe]

The Grand Entrance Lobby - where millions will embark upon their spiritual quest to reconnect with their Jewish heritage and destiny.

http://www.aish.com/aishint/building/grand_entrance_level.asp

The Banquet Hall and Banquet Hall Level overlook the Western Wall. Judaism infuses eating with holiness. Here major international Jewish leaders, those celebrating a simcha, or students and participants in our myriad programs will break bread against the inspiring backdrop of the Western Wall, visible through giant windows.

On Friday evenings, hundreds will congregate at this lovely facility for a delicious Sabbath meal following evening prayers at the Western Wall.

http://www.aish.com/aishint/building/dining_hall_level.asp

[burien1]

Ummm............Where's the temple replica supposed to go? I didn't see it anywhere in the plans.

YSIC

[AndCanItBe]

I'm getting the impression the museum itself is the replica, or a portion of it is. It's not going to house a smaller piece it is the piece. It's also interesting that this is a project of the Dan family. Dan is not one of the twelve tribes mentioned in Revelation as having 12,000 believers coming from it, and in Genesis 49 it says about Dan

16"Dan shall judge his people,
As one of the tribes of Israel.
17"Dan shall be a serpent in the way,
A horned snake in the path,
That bites the horse's heels,
So that his rider falls backward.

Another thing, I dug up some pictures from an old thread. Link



Triton57 points out the Golden (Eastern Gate) above.

Below on this picture nony posted, the Western Wall is labeled.



Below is a picture from atop the museum.



It would seem to be located very near the Western Wall in the Jewish Quarter, with a clear view of the Mt of Olives and the Eastern Gate, unless I've misunderstood.

It seems really interesting to me. It's already under construction and under everyone's noses.

[Finaldash]

I wonder if they will leave room for sacrifices?

What if this is it?

[Salty Skipper]

Can't help but wonder. I think this is going to get interesting. Wait...it already has gotten interesting. Can't stop doing it.

[OBXBob]

[GodsStudent]

seriously!

[mark s]

http://www.aish.com/aishint/building/rooftop_level.asp

The Temple model will be a scale model on the rooftop, judging by the scale, not suitable for actual use, so far as I can tell.

[AndCanItBe]

I kept looking, but I didn't see it. I do now. Thanks, Mark!

[Salty Skipper]

I wonder if that's where the "wing" comes in? Even though the replica isn't big enough.

[mark s]

I can't see the AC sitting inside of it. It looks to be about 3-4 feet wide.

[carpentersdaughter]

Salty, that same thought was running through my mind. But other factors keep me from thinking that this could be it. Now the theater room, where eveyone can see the image of the beast..... It does make me wonder thought just how this building could be used being conected to Temple Mount. After all, they did find remains of the first Temple there, so why couldn't they have a smaller scale Temple there too?

[SueAnn]

Did anyone see The Naked Archaelogist last night? He showed a lot of footage on a replica. The one he showed was NOT small...it was huge. He also showed lots of the Temple Items that were reproduced.

[Abiding in His Word]

Was that on History channel, SueAnn? Sometimes they show reruns of a program, and I would certainly watch for that one again.

[FarmerBoy]

Reading the Road Map, It states the following...

5. al-Haram al-Sharif/ Temple Mount (Compound)

i. International Group

a. An International Group, composed of the IVG and other parties to be agreed upon by the Parties, including members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), shall hereby be established to monitor, verify, and assist in the implementation of this clause.

b. For this purpose, the International Group shall establish a Multinational Presence on the Compound, the composition, structure, mandate and functions of which are set forth in Annex X.

c. The Multinational Presence shall have specialized detachments dealing with security and conservation. The Multinational Presence shall make periodic conservation and security reports to the International Group. These reports shall be made public.

d. The Multinational Presence shall strive to immediately resolve any problems arising and may refer any unresolved disputes to the International Group that will function in accordance with Article 16.

e. The Parties may at any time request clarifications or submit complaints to the International Group which shall be promptly investigated and acted upon.

f. The International Group shall draw up rules and regulations to maintain security on and conservation of the Compound. These shall include lists of the weapons and equipment permitted on the site.

Based on the time line of the agreement this should happen in 2010.

iv. Accordingly, the withdrawal shall be implemented in the following stages:

a. The first stage shall include the areas of the state of Palestine, as defined in Map X, and shall be completed within 9 months.

b. The second and third stages shall include the remainder of the territory of the state of Palestine and shall be completed within 21 months of the end of the first stage.

Israel shall complete its withdrawal from the territory of the state of Palestine within 30 months of the entry into force of this Agreement, and in accordance with this Agreement.

The accord was officially kicked off at the Annapolis conference in Nov. 27, 2007. 30 months would be ~ June 2010. This might be a clue to the "wing"

[SueAnn]

Was that on History channel, SueAnn? Sometimes they show reruns of a program, and I would certainly watch for that one again.

AIHW,
History Channel International.

It was Part 1...here is the synopsis for Part 2 this week

Upcoming Episodes:

Chasing the Temple Booty, Part 2
Airs on Sunday, April 27 at 1:00pm ET

We continue our quest around the world in search of the treasures of King Solomon's Temple, as host Simcha Jacobovici tries to piece together what ever happened to the temple and all of its booty? Part 2 of 2.


TVPG

[AndCanItBe]

The accord was officially kicked off at the Annapolis conference in Nov. 27, 2007. 30 months would be ~ June 2010. This might be a clue to the "wing"

Daniel 9:27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. "

Someone else pointed out the possible connection to me too with Daniel 9:27, Farmerboy. Really interesting about the accord too.

[Be still]

[jgilberAZ]

"Wing of the temple"

Daniel 9:27 ... on a wing of the temple

Wing?

Hebrew Interlinear

Wing = Hebrew knph (or kanaph), strong's H3761

From kanaph; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bed-clothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle -- + bird, border, corner, end, feather(-ed), X flying, + (one an-)other, overspreading, X quarters, skirt, X sort, uttermost part, wing((-ed)).

Temple?

Versions

KJV = overspreading of abominations
NKJV= wing of abominations
NIV = wing of the temple
ESV = wing of abominations
NASB = wing of abominations
ASV = wing of abominations
YOUNG = wing of abominations

Only the NIV (nearly inspired version) has "temple."

The underlying Hebrew word is shiqquwts, strong's H8251

Or shiqquts {shik-koots'}; from shaqats; disgusting, i.e. Filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol -- abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing).

Are we sure we have the correct understanding of what Daniel 9:27 is saying to us? I don't think I understand it all that well myself.

Daniel 9:27 (KJV)

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

[chatty-kathi]

jgilberAZ said:

Only the NIV (nearly inspired version) has "temple."

Very clever – I have not seen that before! Yes, the newer translations have changed many important words and meanings. For this reason, I personally trust the King James Version, although I was discipled while using my NIV.

Are we sure we have the correct understanding of what Daniel 9:27 is saying to us? I don't think I understand it all that well myself.

As we compare Scripture to Scripture to gain more understanding, we see a dual fulfillment in many instances, this being one of them.

The Jews think this was fulfilled when Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple by sacrificing a pig in the temple. Many scholars think this was fulfilled in 70 AD when Jerusalem was surrounded by Roman soldiers and destroyed.

Now, let’s compare this with other AOD verses.

Daniel 11:31 says, “And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.”

Matthew 24:15, “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place…”

Mark 13:45, “But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not…”

II Thess. 2:4 says, “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

So we have sacrifices being performed in a sanctuary until we see the placing of the abomination that causes desolation. We are also told that standing in the holy place, where it should not, is the abomination that makes the sanctuary desolate because it is so awful. We are also told there will be one who sits in the temple, demanding worship, saying he is God.

Since there is no other explanation offered, this is not allegorical, but literal. The thing that comes to my mind also is Rev. 13:14 & 15, which says, “And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." So I wonder if the image is what is standing, after it was placed in the sanctuary, and the person of Antichrist is sitting in the temple?

I think II Thess. shows us what is the abomination (Antichrist), where this act takes place (the temple of God) and why this is the final abomination, because this is the ultimate desecration of God’s holiness, as Antichrist (and his followers) exalt themselves above God, saying they are “gods”.

[seraph]

I too have some personal distrust with the dynamic translation of the NIV and other equivalents such as NLT, GNB, the Message, etc. However, I also believe that although the KJV is more literal in its translation theory it too is insufficient for serious Bible study in today's world.

Half of the book consists of archaisms (words that we don't use anymore), so for many people it can be a barrier to understanding the Word of God. It is also intimidating for new believers and potential converts for that very reason. Another huge factor is that the process of the translation was very political.

For example, in the KJV you find a verse that doesn't occur in the other translations at 1 John 5:7-8. The verse is found in the Vulgate, but not in any historically verified Greek text. Erasmus, who was responsible for the translation of the KJV, ran into a problem when he translated the verse simply from the Greek text. He insisted that unless someone could produce a Greek text that contained the "Comma Johanneum" that he would not include it in his translation. The Catholic leaders of the day were very angry with him, even going so far as to call him an "Arian." Erasmus stuck to his guns. Curiously, however, some time later a single Greek text was produced for Erasmus and he grudgingly included the verse. This is a single (perhaps most well-known) example of the textual inconsistency of the KJV, of which there are many.

For these reasons I personally use the NASB. They continually review their translation every few years, comparing them to archaeological finds such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc. Their translation theory is as literal as it gets. In my opinion it is not the translator's job to exegete (explain) Scripture with their translation, rather to faithfully produce the text in their equivalent language.

The Lockman Foundation (the committee which produces the translation) include these statements at the front of every NASB Bible (emphasis mine):

"The New American Standard Bible has been produced with the conviction that the words of Scripture as originally penned in the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were inspired by God. Since they are the eternal Word of God, the Holy Scriptures speak with fresh power to each generation, to give wisdom that leads to salvation, that men may serve Christ to the glory of God.
"The purpose of the Editorial Board in making this translation was to adhere as closely as possible to the original languages of the Holy Scriptures, and to make the translation in a fluent and readable style according to current English usage.
"THE FOURFOLD AIM OF THE LOCKMAN FOUNDATION
1. These publications shall be true to the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
2. They shall be grammatically correct.
3. They shall be understandable.
4. They shall give the Lord Jesus Christ His proper place, the place which the Word gives Him; therefore, no work will ever be personalized."

They also expand more specifically on their translation theory in a preface, for those that are more interested.

This translation, to me, is more easily referenced, read, memorized, understood, and related to people in today's world than the KJV and more accurate in translation than the NIV.

Daniel 9:27 in the NASB reads:

"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

[chatty-kathi]

I agree. I too have an NASB. I just don't want to be accused of picking the translation that fits my belief, as Rick Warren does, so I quote from KJV.

In this instance, I don't think the wing of the temple changes the meaning. I think there will be a temple, and that Antichrist will sit in the Holy of Holies, which is where the presence of God was in the Old Testament.

I'm not sure where the "image of the beast" will be, though.

[sands]

Reading the Road Map, It states the following...

5. al-Haram al-Sharif/ Temple Mount (Compound)

i. International Group


Israel shall complete its withdrawal from the territory of the state of Palestine within 30 months of the entry into force of this Agreement, and in accordance with this Agreement.

The accord was officially kicked off at the Annapolis conference in Nov. 27, 2007. 30 months would be ~ June 2010. This might be a clue to the "wing"

Revelation 11: "1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

Olmert: "I will set borders by 2010"
"His goal, he said, would be to have these borders in place by 2010."
http://www.jnewswire.com/articles/print/59


March 9, 2006
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - "Interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will draw Israel's permanent borders by 2010 either via a treaty with the Palestinians or through unilateral pullouts in the occupied West Bank, the Jerusalem Post said on Thursday."
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle ... 10_report/


Israel to draw West Bank borders by 2010
(AP)
Updated: 2006-03-10 09:06
"Israel will draw its final borders by 2010, acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview published Thursday, for the first time setting a deadline for what is expected to be a unilateral large-scale West Bank pullback. "
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/do ... 530885.htm

"On Thursday Olmert said Israel will draw its final borders by 2010, for the first time setting a deadline for what is expected to be a unilateral large-scale West Bank pullback."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11741325/from/RSS/

Olmert promises final borders by 2010

"ISN SECURITY WATCH (Thursday, 9 March: 12.55 CET) – Interim Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has vowed to set Israel's permanent borders by 2010, in an interview with the Jerusalem Post."
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=15037

Olmert to draw Israel's final borders by 2010
(Reuters)
10 March 2006
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM — Interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will draw Israel’s permanent borders by 2010 either via a treaty with the Palestinians or through unilateral pullouts in the occupied West Bank, the Jerusalem Post said yesterday.
link

[The_WatchMan]

I love this site i have followed it for years however every once in awhile i just have to create a name and come comment about something..... I respect all your ideas about the ampi-theatre but the theatre is NOT on the temple mount, ......Jews want to build their "third Temple" there and Muslims want to put a mosque up there....the theatre is simply in the wrong place to be worried about them performing animal sacrifice or anything else absurdly ignorant, thank you

Yours in Christ,
Watchman

[seraph]

Agreed.

[Pretzelogical]

I have a question to be tested:
Could these verses be saying the Jews use the tabernacle out in battle while the temple is being built in Jerusalem?

Matthew 24
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=49;
Mark 13
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=49;
The above two passages are nearly identical and quite long to be so much alike. I find that significant. Relative to the verses tendency to be misunderstood, God records it in His word twice. These two passages flow in a logical pattern:
1.) Jesus leaves the temple with the disciples.
2.) Jesus declares the temple will be destroyed.
3.) Jesus sits on Mount of Olives opposite the temple with the leaders of the disciples.
4.) Leaders of the disciples ask when the temple will be destroyed/what signs to look for the end of the age.
The temple is obviously the focus and the thread of the conversation, yet Jesus does not even mention the temple! Instead, Jesus starts out by warning them to get this right!

Mark 13:5 And Jesus began to say to them, "See to it that no one misleads you…
9 "But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them.
--Why no mention of being taken to the temple as commanded in the law? Could this be saying there will be no temple until…when?

14"But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
--Notice the special *hint* that this is a puzzle that takes some solving to understand! And the context of the discussion is about the destroyed temple, then these things happen.

Matthew 24:15 Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)
--Matthew also makes note of the *hint* and also neglects to speak of the temple.

Daniel 11:31 Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.
--This is written in the plural “they ”and seems to describe a battle zone. .Could it be an ark of the covenant (or The Ark of the Covenant) is taken into battle as was foolishly done in the old testament in order to *assure* victory? Would the tabernacle be nearby in the “camp” of Israel?
38 "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures.
39 "He will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign god; he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him and will cause them to rule over the many, and will parcel out land for a price.
--We have already seen this century how Israel’s leaders traded land for covenants, and then rich natural resources were discovered in those lands. We also see leaders being assigned position in the EU, United Nations, OPEC, etc.. Could that apply here? At any rate, there is no mention of the temple.

41 "He will also enter the Beautiful Land,
--“they” set up the abomination in v. 31, now “he” will also enter Jerusalem? Does this mean the abomination was not set up in Jerusalem before now?

44 But rumors from the East and from the North will disturb him, and he will go forth with great wrath to destroy and annihilate many.
45 He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
--Satan imitates and forges. If he has tents, could it be because he imitates Israel’s camp and tabernacle? Is the image set up in his tent as he goes out to conquer?

Perhaps Israel would be building the temple, and using the tabernacle. Once the temple is ready, then Satan could sit in the temple? The next verse starts another chapter but continues “at that time”:
Daniel 12:1 Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
--Is Satan sitting in the temple and Jesus is leading the Jews to hide them in the mountains while the bowl judgments are poured out “at this time”?

2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
--Sounds like the rapture to me! And not any too soon! Thy kingdom come!

[Princess of Heaven]

i was wondering if anyone has updates on this museum? its been over a year and nothing.. strange

[milo3]

i was wondering if anyone has updates on this museum? its been over a year and nothing.. strange

Welcome Princess of Heaven, good to see you here.

Good question, I have wondered the same.

milo3

[Princess of Heaven]

thanks for the welcome Milo, yeah i did a search on this and i am coming up empty, strange to me, also i went back to an older article

New Temple Replica Coming to Jerusalem

Ynet is reporting that Aish HaTorah is currently building a large museum opposite the Western Wall which will feature "an elaborated massive replica of the Temple." The rest of the brief article discusses the museum and no other details are given about the model.

why the secrecy and really no grand details about this either, why? if it is a museum, wouldn't they want to advertise it?

[Princess of Heaven]

also what caught my attention in previous post was "Wings"......been studying along that theory too

[nonymouse]

Welcome, PoH.

[Abiding in His Word]

Welcome to the board, Princess of Heaven!

[Princess of Heaven]

thank you

[Mr Baldy]

Hi PoH,

Welcome, and thanks for bringing this topic back up for discussion.

Although this museum is replica - given its location, I see nothing in Scripture that would preclude this to be the location where the AOD will occur.

This is yet another reason why I personally believe that the AOD will go virtually unnoticed. Christ tells those who are in Judea to flee to the mountains when they see the AOD; however, how many will not see it because they are looking for something else...perhaps like a New Temple?

I believe the correct verbiage that Christ cites is "standing in the holy place" - is this the temple?

[Princess of Heaven]

Thank you and i am glad to be here....


this is the KJV


Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

no word of temple


overspreading

wing, extremity, edge, winged, border, corner, shirt

a) wing

b) extremity



H3671
כּנף
kânâph
kaw-nawf'
From H3670; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bed clothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle: - + bird, border, corner, end, feather [-ed], X flying, + (one an-) other, overspreading, X quarters, skirt, X sort, uttermost part, wing ([-ed]).

[Mrs. B]

TEMPLE REBUILLT.....


Eph. 2:18....For through him We Both (Jew and Gentile) have Access by One Spirit unto the Father

19...Now therefore ye are No More Strangers and foreigners,
But Fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the Household of God;

20....And are Built upon the Foundation of the Apostles and Prophets,
JESUS CHRIST Himself being the CHIEF CORNER STONE:

21....IN WHOM....All the building Fitly Framed Together unto An HOLY TEMPLE IN THE LORD...

22...In WHOM.....YE ALSO ARE BUILDED TOGETHER FOR AN HABITATION OF GOD THROUGH THE SPIRIT.....

Know ye not...your body is the Temple of the Lord....

I Corth. 6:19...WHAT? know ye not that your body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and Ye are Not Your Own?

20.....For ye are Bought with a Price:
Therefore Glorify God in your body, and in your Spirit, Which are God's.....


What if the a/c desires to be seated in you......the Temple of God on this earth...
Paul said....there has to be a falling away first.....before Jesus comes....
Could the church be the falling away....the temple....where satan sits???
Jesus said...If it were possible even the very elect would be deceived....


bb

[Princess of Heaven]

the ac isnt omni present, he cant be everywhere. i think this is a physical one...

[Mrs. B]

1John 2:18.....Little Children, it is the last time:
and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come,
even now are there many antichrists;
whereby we know that it is the last time...

19....They went out from us....
but they were not of us;
for if they had been of us,
they would no doubt have continued with us:
But they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us....

20....But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things....




There is the antichrist spirit......this is a false Christ....
another christ....another jesus...

If we do not teach the doctrine of Christ...
we teach another Christ....
Anti means another Christ....Not Jesus but another Jesus...or against Christ

Jesus said....Many will say I Am the Christ....and deceive many..

There is only One Jesus the Christ...the Only Begotton Son of God...

but John says they are many antichrists....they went out from us...

They teach another doctrine.....not the Doctrine of Christ....

there will also be a person in the flesh who will be manifested as the a/c
satan manifested in the flesh....and the whole world will follow him...
If they kill you....they do god a service.....satan the old devil....manifested as the false christ..


We must Know Jesus and His Holy Spirit....and His Word
that we may not be deceived....
we have an Unction from the Holy One.....and He bares Witness with our Spirit.....
Jesus said....Hear what the Spirit is saying to the Churches...
be lead by the Holy Spirit.....be obedient to what the Lord is saying to you....


bb

[1whowaits]

Rev 11 describes a temple with an outer court, presumably then an inner court, an altar, and worshippers and the temple can be measured. This would appear to indicate that there will indeed be a literal rebuilt temple, this cannot be a figurative description from a common sense point of view.

[Princess of Heaven]

i think the temple can still be built after the AoD, ?? maybe the ac demands the temple to be built after wards??after all he will want a place where people can worship him

[OneDay]

This is a lot to chew on for sure!! Remember, a lot can happen over night!I suppose we won't know for sure until it does happen!
Welcome princess!! I'm sure glad your name isn't - queen of heaven! kidding of course!!!

[Princess of Heaven]

This is a lot to chew on for sure!! Remember, a lot can happen over night!I suppose we won't know for sure until it does happen!
Welcome princess!! I'm sure glad your name isn't - queen of heaven! kidding of course!!!

why thank you for the welcome and for the QoH comment, i will save that title for the whoever woman of paganism.

oh and i have theories on that woman (the Qoh)

[joyfulchild]

Hi Princess of Heaven!

Welcome sis. Though I dont come here very often i couldnt help but notice your final post re your theories on the Queen of Heaven. Would be really keen to hear what you think sis if you have time?Please feel free to pm me?

Thanks alot

[Princess of Heaven]

Hi Princess of Heaven!

Welcome sis. Though I dont come here very often i couldnt help but notice your final post re your theories on the Queen of Heaven. Would be really keen to hear what you think sis if you have time?Please feel free to pm me?

Thanks alot

nice to meet you