From a scriptural standpoint, and from the words of Jesus own mouth telling us when his coming would be, and confirmation from the apostles with regard to that day... a pre-trib rapture is a virtual impossibility.
When you look at the prophetic implications and Jewish thought behind the period from the end of trumpets to the Day of Atonement, you will see that this wedding period is not 7 years... but may in fact be seven literal days.
Then you look at revelation and realize the following:
1. It may be possible for the seals trumpets and thunders to run in parallel, or not.
2, the vial/bowl judgments can not be in parallel, as these are specifically declared to be the seven last plagues, having been filled with the undiluted wrath of God.
3. It is between the seventh trumpet and first bowl judgment that God, via an angel declares his wrath.
4. It is between the seventh trumpet and fist bowl judgment that we see the revelation picture of both the wheat harvest (first resurrection/rapture), and the gathering unto Armageddon.
5. You will note that the seven bowls are completely devoid of time frames.
Jewish theology teaches that:
1. Messiah will come with the great blast or last trumpet of the feast of trumpets
2. Messiah will take the righteous into a wedding feast with him for 7 days. (this theology was the entire reason a Jewish wedding of Jesus day was seven days)
3. Messiah will bring wrath upon the unbelieving world that has been persecuting his people for seven days.
4. Messiah will ascend his father David's throne on the Day of Atonement on the 10th day. 2days (trumpets) +7days (wedding/judgment) +1day=10days
The scripture doesn't say that we will go to heaven... just that we will be with Jesus wherever he goes.
Some work looking at the Greek word used describing our meeting with Christ indicates that our going to meet him is as to greet a coming dignitary and escort him on the final leg of his journey to his destination.
So, here is a possible scenario/picture of events based on this line of thought:
1. The delay between the sixth seal signs and Jesus return between the seventh trump and first bowl is not inconsistent, as Jesus himself tells us that his coming will be AFTER these signs. Never the less, it is possible that the seals and trumpets run in parallel, though this is not stated in the word.
2. Jesus returns, just as his word says, with the sounding of the last trumpet, which may coincide with the great blast or last trumpet of the feast of trumpets. (which would make sense since all of his other fulfillments took place on the feast days and for some events, such as the slaying of the Pascal lamb, at the exact hour.)
3. We will be caught up to meet him and be gathered to a place of protection (whether in heaven or on earth) for seven days (which for us, based on God's ecconomy of time, could seem as if it were seven thousand years... woo hooo.)
4. God will pour out his wrath upon the earth for seven literal days, during the seven bowls
5. Jesus comes from heaven leading the armies of heaven into battle at Armageddon and assumes the throne of David on the Day of Atonement on the 8th day after the end of the feast of trumpets, the 10th day of the New Year. (Interestingly, a Jewish young man is dedicated to God on his eighth day of life, another prophetic picture?)
Another important note is this:
Jesus statement that no man knows the day or the hour of his return, only the Father in heaven knows... Jesus used a common colloquialism (saying) of his time which every Jewish reader would have understood to be a direct reference to the feast of trumpets.
The question would be asked, when will the New Year begin (the feast of trumpets). The answer would be... No man knows the day or the hour, only the Father knows. (This saying was also apparently used commonly when a man was asked when he was going to get is betrothed bride.)
The reason no on knows the day or the hour was that the beginning of the New Year required the observance of the new moon, AND aviv barley for the first fruits offering.
If the new moon wasn't observed then the feast would begin on the 31st day from the previous new moon.
Even if the new moon was sighted, but the barley wasn't aviv (ripe enough) then a leap month would be declared, and the feast would begin on the following new moon, which itself could be delayed by up to 2 days, for a total variability of up to 32 days.
So... when Jesus used this saying to describe his coming, it was plain to every Jewish person listening that he was tying his coming directly to the feast of trumpets.
Further, I can see no scriptural justification for separating the rapture from Jesus return by any large period of time... as the word only speaks of one return, and one day of the Lord. IMO, Jesus return is a series of events, beginning with the rapture, and culminating 8 days later with his ascension to the throne.
IMO, the "Day" of the Lord is the 1000 year millennial period (a day is as 1000 years, and 1000 years is as a day), and IMO we are clearly told at the seventh trump that that DAY BEGINS at the seventh trump, when the angel declares that the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdom of Christ... Jesus takes possession of his earthly kingdom at that time... and the events of his wedding, his war against evil, and his ascension to the throne are seen to immediately commence after this announcement.
I believe those who see the DOTL and his wrath beginning at the sixth seal are missing some important things:
1. Jesus says with his own mouth that his coming would be AFTER these signs.
2. Jesus apostles tell us that his coming would be AFTER the son of perdition is revealed.
3. Jesus himself gave us the sign of the AOD to watch for.
4. Jesus tells us that he was coming quickly/soon which for us has been 2000 years but on God's prophetic time has been 2 days. So a delay between the sixth seal signs and the DOTL/rapture/wrath is in a prophetic sense IMMEDIATE.
5. It is MAN declaring that God's wrath/day has come at the sixth seal... not God. God declares it via an angel at the seventh trumpet... with 2 separate angels... he declares that the kingdoms of this world now belong to Christ (officially beginning his DAY) and the pouring out of his undiluted wrath on a world that no longer has any excuse for denying him.
Hope this provides some inspiration for self study.
(edited for clarity, punctuation, spelling, and correcting a place i had used seal when i meant trumpet.)
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