Vision - Destruction of America

[Sunny]

I have had this on my computer since around 1998 when I first got on the internet. The original link is long gone. I have seen it other places on the net--apparently copied, as I did.

A couple of the places that have posted it removed the ending where it talks about the saints of God -- possibly because it didn't agree with their rapture doctrine.

I do not know if this prophecy is true or not. It mentions three things that I think are relevant:

1. The Statue of Liberty being forced to drink the cup of judgment (9-11?)

2. The Statue staggering in the Gulf (from the huge flood of illegals?)

3. Star Wars missles. These could not have been conceived of in 1954 when this was written.

AA Allen was a flamboyant, charasmatic evangelist who fell, and died drunk in an automobile crash. But somehow the vision has a ring of truth to me.

If it is true, it needs to be heard. If it is not true, I feel there is enough spiritual discernment on this Board to distinguish that.

Would appreciate others' input. :)

The following vision was received by Evangelist
A.A. Allen on July 4, 1954.

As I stood atop the Empire State Building, I could see the Statue of
Liberty, illuminating the gateway to the new world. Here, spread before
me like an animated map, is an area sixty or eighty miles in diameter. I
was amazed that the Spirit of the Lord should so move me, there atop the
Empire State Building. Why should I feel such a surge of His Spirit and
power there?

Suddenly I heard the voice of the Lord. It was as clear and as
distinct as a voice could be. It seemed to come from the very midst of the
giant telescope. But when I looked at the telescope, I knew it hadn't
come from there, but directly from heaven. The voice said, "The eyes of
the lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong
in behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward Him. Herein you have done
foolishly. Therefore, from henceforth, you shall have wars."

Immediately when I heard the voice of God, I knew this was a
quotation of Scripture. But never before had a thing come to me so
forcibly by the power of the Spirit. The ticking of the telescope stopped.
The man before me had used up his dimes worth. As he stepped away
I knew that I was next. As I stepped to the telescope and dropped in my
dime, immediately the ticking started again. This ticking was an automatic
clock which would allow me to use the telescope for a definitely limited
time only.

As I swung the telescope to the North, suddenly the Spirit of God
came upon me in a way that I had never thought of before. Seemingly in
the spirit I was entirely caught away. I knew that the telescope itself
had nothing to do with the distance which I was suddenly enabled to see,
for I seemed to see things far beyond the range of the telescope, even on
a bright clear day. It was simply that God had chosen this time to
reveal these things to me, for as I looked through the telescope, it was
not Manhattan Island that I saw, but a far larger view.

That morning, much of the view was impaired by fog. But suddenly as
the Spirit of the Lord came upon me the fog seemed to clear, until it
seemed that I could see for thousands of miles.

But that which I was looking upon was not Manhattan island, it was
all of the North American Continent spread out before me as a map is
spread upon a table, it was not the East River and the Hudson River that
I saw on either side, but the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans. And instead
of the Statue of Liberty standing there in the bay on her small island I
saw her standing far out in the Gulf of Mexico. She was between me and the United States.

I suddenly realized that the telescope had nothing to do with what I
was seeing, but that it was a vision coming directly from God. And to
prove this to myself I took my eyes away from the telescope, so that I
was no longer looking through the lens, but the same scene remained
before me.

There, clear and distinct, lay all the North American Continent, with
all it's great cities. To the North lay the Great Lakes. Far to the
Northeast was New York City. I could see Seattle and Portland far to the
Northwest. Down the West Coast, there were San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Closer in the foreground, there lay New Orleans, at the center of the Gulf Coast area.
I could see the great towering ranges of the Rocky Mountains,
and trace with my eye the Continental Divide.
All this and more, I could see spread out before me as a great map upon a table.

And as l looked, suddenly from the sky I saw a giant hand reach down.
That gigantic hand was reaching out toward the Statue of Liberty. In a
moment her gleaming torch was torn from her hand, and in it instead was
placed a cup. And I saw protruding from that great cup, a giant sword,
shining as if a great light had been turned upon its glistening edge.
Never before had I seen such a sharp, glistening, dangerous sword. lt
seemed to threaten all the world. As the great cup was placed in the hand
of the Statue of Liberty, I heard these words, "Thus saith the Lord of
hosts, Drink ye and be drunken, spue and fall, and rise no more, because
of the sword which I will send" As I heard these words, I recognized them
as a quotation from Jeremiah 25:7.

I was amazed to hear the Statue of Liberty speak out in reply,
"I WILL NOT DRINK!" Then as the voice of the thunder, I heard again the
voice of the Lord, saying, "Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, YE SHALL
CERTAINLY DRINK." (Jer.25:28) Then suddenly the giant hand forced the cup
to the lips of the Statue of Liberty, and she became powerless to defend
herself. The mighty hand of God forced her to drink every drop from the
cup. As she drank the bitter dregs, these were the words that I heard,
"Should you be utterly unpunished? You shall not be unpunished: for I
will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the
Lord of Hosts." (Jer.25:29) When the cup was withdrawn from the lips of
the Statue of Liberty, I noticed the sword was missing from the cup, which
could mean but one thing. THE CONTENTS OF THE CUP HAD BEEN COMPLETELY
CONSUMED! I knew that the sword merely typified war, death, and
destruction, which is no doubt on the way.

Then as one drunken on too much wine, I saw the Statue of Liberty
become unsteady on her feet and begin to stagger, and to lose her balance.
I saw her splashing in the Gulf, trying to regain her balance. I saw her
stagger again and again, and fall to her knees. As I saw her desperate
attempts to regain her balance, and rise to her feet again, my heart was
moved as never before with compassion for her struggles. But as she
staggered there in the gulf, once again I heard these words, "Ye shall drink
and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more because of the sword
that I shall send among you."

As I watched, I wondered if the Statue of Liberty would ever be able
to regain her feet - if she would ever stand again. And as I watched, it
seemed that with all her power she struggled to rise, and finally
staggered to her feet again, and stood there swaying drunkenly. I felt
sure that at any moment she would fall again - possibly never to rise.
I seemed overwhelmed with a desire to reach out my hand to keep her head
above water, for I knew that if she ever fell again she would drown there
in the Gulf.

"Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, nor for the
pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor for the destruction that wastes
at noonday." Psalms 91:5,6.

Then as I watched, another amazing thing was taking place. Far to
the Northwest, just out over Alaska, a huge, black cloud was arising.
As it rose, it was as black as night. It seemed to be in the shape of
a man's head. As it continued to arise, I observed two light spots in
the black cloud. It rose further, and a gaping hole appeared. I could
see that the black cloud was taking the shape of a skull, for now the
huge, white, gaping mouth was plainly visible. Finally the head was
complete. Then the shoulders began to appear and on either side long,
black arms.

It seemed that what I saw was the entire North American Continent,
spread out like a map upon a table with this terrible skeleton-formed
cloud arising from behind the table. It rose steadily until the form
was visible down to the waist. At the waist, the skeleton seemed to
bend towards the United States, stretching forth a hand toward the East
and one toward the West - one toward New York and one toward Seattle.
As the awful form stretched forward, I could see that the entire
attention seemed to be focused upon the U.S., overlooking Canada at
least for the time being. As I saw the horrible black cloud in the
form of a skeleton bending towards America, bending from the waist over,
reaching down toward Chicago and out towards both coasts, I knew it's
one interest was to destroy the multitudes.

As I watched in horror, the great black cloud stopped just above
the great lakes region, and turned it's face towards New York City.
Then out of the horrible, great gaping mouth began to appear wisps of
white vapor which looked like smoke, as a cigarette smoker would blow
puffs of smoke from his mouth. These whitish vapors were being blown
toward New York City. The smoke began to spread, until it had covered
all the eastern part of the United States.

Then the skeleton turned to the West, and out of the horrible
mouth and nostrils came another great puff of white smoke. This time
it was blown in the direction of the West Coast. In a few moments time,
the entire West Coast and L.A. area was covered with it's vapors

Then towards the center came a third great puff. As I watched,
St. Louis and Kansas City were enveloped in its white vapors. Then on
it came towards New Orleans. Then on they swept until they reached the
Statue of Liberty where she stood staggering drunkenly in The blue
waters of The Gulf. As the white vapors began to spread around The
head of the statue, she took in but one gasping breath, and then began
to cough as though to rid her lungs of the horrible vapors she had
inhaled. One could readily discern by the coughing that those white
vapors had seared her lungs.

What were these white vapors? Could they signify bacteriological
warfare or nerve gas that could destroy multitudes of people in a few
moments time?

Then I heard the voice of God, as He spoke again: "Behold, the Lord
maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down,
and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof,. And it shall be, as
with the people. so with The priest; as with the servant, so with his
master; as with the buyer, so with the seller, as with the taker of
usury, so with the giver of usury to him. The land shall be utterly
emptied, and utterly spoiled : for The Lord has spoken this word. The
earth mourneth and fadeth away, The world languisheth and fadeth away,
the haughty people of the earth do languish . The earth also is defiled
under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws,
changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore has
the curse devoured the earth and they that dwell therein are desolate;
therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned and few men are left."
(Isa.24:1-6)

As I watched, the coughing grew worse. It sounded like a person
was about to cough out his lungs. The Statue was moaning and groaning.
She was in mortal agony. The pain must have been terrific, as again
and again, she tried to clear her lungs of those horrible white vapors.
I watched her there in the Gulf, as she staggered, clutching her lungs
and her breast with her hands. Then she fell to her knees. In a moment,
she gave one final cough, and made a last desperate effort to rise from
her knees, and then fell face forward into the waters of The Gulf and
lay still as death. Tears ran down my face as I realized that she was
dead! Only The lapping of The waves, splashing over her body, which
was partly under the water, and partly out of water, broke the silence.

"A fire devoureth before them, and behind them a flame burneth;
the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them, a
desolate wilderness." Joel 2:3

Suddenly the silence was shattered by the screaming of sirens. The
sirens seemed to scream, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

Never before had I heard such shrill, screaming sirens. They seemed
to be everywhere - to the North, South, the East and the West. There
seemed to be multitudes of sirens. And as I looked, I saw people
everywhere running. But it seemed none of them ran more than a few
paces, and then they fell. And even as I had seen the Statue
struggling to regain her poise and balance, and finally falling to die
on her face, I now saw millions of people falling in the streets, on
the sidewalks, struggling. I heard their screams for mercy and help.
I heard their horrible coughing as though their lungs had been seared
with fire. I heard the moanings and groanings of the doomed and the
dying. As I watched, a few finally reached shelters, and above the
moaning and groanings, I heard these words:

"A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth for the Lord has
a controversy with the nations. He will plead with all flesh; He will
give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the Lord. Behold evil
shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be
raised up from the coasts of The earth. And The slain of the Lord
shall be at that day from one end of the earth even onto the other end
of the earth: they shall not be lamented neither gathered nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground. (Jer. 25:31-33)

Then suddenly I saw from the Atlantic and from the Pacific, and
out of the Gulf, rocket-like objects that seemed to come up like fish
leaping out of the water . High into the air they leaped, each headed
in a different direction, but every one towards The U.S. On The ground,
the sirens screamed louder. And up from the ground I saw similar
rockets begin to ascend. To me, these appeared to be interceptor
rockets although they arose from different points all over the U.S.
However, none of them seemed to be successful in intercepting the
rockets that had risen from the ocean on every side. These rockets
finally reached their maximum height, slowly turned over, and fell back
toward the earth in defeat. Them suddenly, the rockets which had leaped
out of the ocean like fish all exploded at once. The explosion was ear-
splitting. The next thing which I saw was a huge ball of fire. The
only thing I have ever seen which resembled the thing I saw in my
vision was the picture of the explosion of the H-bomb in the South
Pacific. In my vision, it was so real I seemed to fell a searing heat
from it.

As the vision spread before my eyes, and I viewed the widespread
desolation brought about by the terrific explosions, I could not help
thinking, " While the defenders of our nation have quibbled over what
means of defense to use, and neglected the only true means of defense,
faith and dependence upon the true and living God, the thing which she
greatly feared has come unto her! How true it has proven that "Except
the Lord keep The city, The watchman watches but in vain."

Then as the noise of the battle subsided, to my ears cam this
quotation from Joel, the second chapter, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion,
and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the
land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick
darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and
a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more
after it, even to the years of many generations.

A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the
land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate
wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horse-
men, so shall they run.

Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap,
like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a
strong people set in battle array.

Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall
gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the
wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and
they shall not break their ranks:

Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his
path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall,
they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows
like a thief.

The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the
sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their
shining: (Joel 2:1-10)

Then the voice was still. The earth, too, was silent, with the
silence of death. And then to my ears came another sound - a sound of
distant singing. It was the sweetest music I had ever heard. There
was joyful shouting, and sounds of happy laughter. Immediately I knew
it was the rejoicing of The saints of God. I looked and there high in
the heavens, above the smoke and poisonous gases, above The noise of
the battle, I saw a huge mountain. It seemed to be of solid rock , and
I knew at once that this was the Mountain of the Lord. The sounds of
music and rejoicing were coming from a cleft, high up in the side of
the rock mountain.

It was the saints of God who were doing the rejoicing. It was
God's own people who were singing and dancing and shouting with joy,
safe from all the harm which had come upon the earth, for they were
hidden safely away in The cleft of the rock. There in the cleft, they
were shut in, protected by a great, giant hand , which reached out of
the heavens and which was none other than the hand of God, shutting
them in, until the storm to be overpassed.

[RomaLynnStar]

This really reminds me of the audio sermon of David Wilkerson that was posted on here just a couple of days ago.

What I had never remembered in the prophechy of Isaiah, was right in the middle of it was the singing. Isaiah 24:10
10The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in.
11There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone.

12In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction.

13When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.

14They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the LORD, they shall cry aloud from the sea.

15Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea.

16From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

17Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

This guy is quoting from this same chapter in Isaiah.

Yes I believe that New York City is the city of confusion, Babylon, and I truly do not like thinking this.

But look at what this crazy place has brought on the world, with the stock trading and buisnesses spreading throughout the world. Not that business is bad, but can we truly say that many of these are true to the word of God in how they trade, advertise, etc.

David Wilkerson has been saying for many years now, at least since the 80s that America was coming to her end. Well you know what, he is right.

Remember the prophets of old, told Israel many many years before it happened that judgement was coming.

[RSVP]

I am getting the same confirmation, which I believe is from the Lord. The scriptures and alarm being sounded:

"Blow ye the trumpet in Zion,
and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the
land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; "

in this and in David Wilkerson's sermon are the same scriptures I read last night and this morning. The ending of the above post,

"It was the saints of God who were doing the rejoicing. It was
God's own people who were singing and dancing and shouting with joy,
safe from all the harm which had come upon the earth, for they were
hidden safely away in The cleft of the rock."

is for the most part identical to the end of David Wilkerson's message.
It is NOT a new "prophetic utterance" in my view but rather an example
of the Lord confirming His word by two or three witnesses as it is written
in 2 Corinthians 13: 1 "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses" (Dt 19:15 , Matthew 18:16)

Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Joel are the first three witnesses and now we may have five.

[RomaLynnStar]

Right I think this is all the prophetic word, that has already been given us in the Bible. These men are just bringing it forth, for where we are today.

And for sure there are many places in the scripture that tell us this same thing. God is faithful and just, and will always warn man and give him a chance for repentence.

[Sunny]

RomaLynnStar and RSVP, thank you so much for your confirmation.

Off all the failed prophecies of men that I have read (especially before Y2K), this one somehow stood the test of time with me.

I listened to Dave Wilkerson's sermon, but didn't make the connection with the singing and this prophecy. :)

[RomaLynnStar]

I love that singing part.

And remember it says we will sing in the song of Moses. Love it, love it, love it.

[Sunny]

Rev. 15:1: And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2: And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3: And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

[geauxsaints]

Wow so this guy is a real live modern day Prophet of God? I was just beginning to start a post asking if any true prophets were out there. So many false ones haven't heard of any out there speaking the truth. This is encouraging to hear.

[Sunny]

geauxsants, the AA Allen prophecy was given in 1954, so I don't know how modern it could be considered.

I haven't seen any of the popular "prophets" on the Prophecy Club's predictions come true. In fact, usually they are just flat out wrong.

I have written most modern prophets off as unreliable.

Dave Wilkerson is a shining exception. I just think it is so cool that Wilkerson's and Allen's prophecies confirm each other so well.

[Abiding in His Word]

You may want to do a little research on this person. I've listed only 3 of the sites I consider to be credible resources, but you may find more with a google search.

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-encyclopedi ... achers.htm

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/strange2.htm

http://www.ondoctrine.com/10giving.htm

[Sunny]

Abiding, this was a real eye opener:

A.A. ALLEN

Though hailed today by Benny Hinn and other Laughing Revival leaders as a great evangelist and healer, Pentecostal latter rain healing- evangelist A.A. ALLEN (1911-1970) was a drunkard and a charlatan. His Miracle Magazine was filled with incredible claims, such as the cure of a woman who allegedly shed 200 pounds instantly during one of his healing services. In 1956 he began claiming that miracle oil flowed from the hands and heads of those attending his meetings. This allegedly began when God poured supernatural oil on the hands of Lewin Burchan, a seven-year-old boy who was being used as a Pentecostal evangelist. In the 1960s, Allen launched a "raise the dead" campaign, urging his followers to believe God for resurrections. He had to stop this when some refused to bury their dead loved ones (Harrell, p. 199). Allen also claimed to have the authority to lay hands on those who gave to his ministry, granting them "the power to get wealth." Many of his books promised prosperity. Three of these were The Secret to Scriptural Financial Success (1953), Power to Get Wealth (1963), and God's Guarantee to Bless and Prosper You Financially (1968). In one story often related by Allen, he was praying for the money to pay a $410 printing bill when the $1 bills in his pocket were instantly changed to $20 bills. Allen told his followers: "I believe I can command God to perform a miracle for you financially." Allen built his own 2400-acre community called Miracle Valley, in Arizona. His vast evangelistic empire took in about $3.5 million annually, a massive amount of money for that time. Allen was arrested for drunk driving during a revival in 1955. He divorced his wife in 1967, in spite of the fact that she had stood by him during the many troubles he had brought upon himself, and three years later he died alone at a motel in San Francisco while his team was conducting a crusade in West Virginia. He was 59 years old and he had himself with liquor.

I am puzzled, though.

His prophecy has the ring of truth, and has had parts fulfilled (the Star Wars reference really is convincing).

Could this be like Ananias predicting that Jesus would die for all the people, which was a true prophecy, even though Ananias was evil?

Edited to add.... and it is saying much of what David Wilkerson is saying, only on a larger scale.

I know that the Bible says that the gifts and calling of God are without repentence; i.e., irrevocable. That includes the gift of prophecy, I think. Could it be that AA Allen started out right, then went apostate?

[Sunny]

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I am trying to think this through.

The Bible prophecies are true; maybe AA Allen erroniously applied them to the entire US for effect?

In any case, my discernment isn't what I thought it was.

[RSVP]

This appears to be a case where we will each have to decide
what we choose to believe about a man who, depending on the source offering the information, is either a man who deeply loved the Lord and was living to serve Him; or as Steve Rudd (using Hank Hanegraaff & James Randi as sources) portrays Allen on his "The Interactive Bible" website; as a drunk and a charlatan.

Hank Hanegraaff is answering to MANY (legally) for information he has presented in the past.
James Randi is a debunker of EVERYTHING supernatural and he, to my knowledge isn't a believer.
Steve Rudd presents his findings on a website which is critical of anything
charismatic within the Body of Christ.

The Wikipedia information on A.A. Allen reads as well, like something from a gossip column. There is other information on A.A. Allen that presents another side of the story. As with all of us, the story of our lives after we're gone will be held up to the scrutiny of our friends and enemies alike. Personally I believe it's wrong to speak ill of those who are not living and able to confront their accusers.

We've yet to see whether A.A. Allens' vision passes the test. He stands before the ONLY ONE who is in the position to judge his ministry.

Here are a couple links which give another view of this man.

http://www.eaec.org/TruthAboutAAAllen.htm
http://miraclevalley.org/aaallen.html

I never heard of this man before today. There are plenty of videos from his crusades available on-line which I plan to watch before I make a decision for myself one way or the other.

"All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the Lord". Proverbs 16:2

[RSVP]

As an added note to my post above- I am NOT trying to hold up
Paul J Cunningham or his "angelic encounter" or his personal "prophetic"
beliefs or his "Restoration Revival" beliefs but only what his testimony was in regard to A.A. Allen during the time he spent with him, over fifty years ago.

[Sunny]

RSVP, I found a video of part of one of his services on Google. He was saying that he had a manifestation of holy oil anointing his hands.

That, in itself, alerted me to the probability he was a fake.

The video showed the announcer stopping the service to to announce that a miracle had occurred....AA Allen had a manifestation of oil anointing his hands. It showed a shot of Allen sitting slinging oil off his hands with a puzzled look on his face.

I didn't watch the rest of the video. I think the charlatan label probably fits.

So sad.

[Abiding in His Word]

Good research, Sunny!

[savedbygrace]

prophecies come and prophecies go...

All one has to do is read the bible, and the current news events. Its not too hard to see somethings coming soon.

[RSVP]

I've yet to watch the videos' but I will. I've been seeking the Lord in regard to this thread and intend to get a post up later today. Thanks for the input to all who have contributed. Ruth

[WhiteH2OWoman]

Hey, Sunny, it's great to see ya!

[RSVP]

This thread started out with Sunny sharing a vision given to A.A. Allen and asking for imput. My response was, that I had what I believe was a confirmation in my spirit- that along with the recent David Wilkerson warning, this sounded to me as a warning from the Lord.
Following Abidings wise advice to check several resources relating to A.A. Allen I was, because of "people" giving basically, two different opinions of the man and his ministry-unable to reach my own opinion.
This is because one side had heard or read that Allen was more of a
charlatan, a trickster, and performer, as well as a drunkard. The other side
said it was all lies, he's a true man of God, his ministry has brought multitudes to Christ. I reached the conclusion that none of us can know for sure what the truth really is, God is the only one who knows and is the judge. And also, I should let it be, because Allen isn't around to confront his accusers.
I still took a look at some of the videos. On a personal note, I am a believer that the Gifts as well as the Fruits of the Holy Spirit are still given to the church today. However, Allen's particular worship style would be for me, a distraction. The are many styles of worship and my personal preference doesn't necessarily mean there's something wrong with someone elses. I couldn't find the "oil anointing" video but that sounded like a carnival-type side-show to me from what Sunny viewed.
Yet, I cannot deny the confirmation I have felt inside as I read his vision.
It was the scriptures in the vision that spoke true in my heart. How could a person be used of the Lord to give a warning like he does and be a false prophet? I was troubled by this because the obvious answer seems,
well...obvious. It was on my mind before I fell asleep last night and first thing this am when I woke up. I fell asleep talking to the Lord about it.

When I got up this morning, before I even looked at the new posts I was
hearing (in my spirit-not out loud) what I believe was the Lord telling me to, "Look at Balaam". All that came to my mind was remembering that God spoke through Balaam's donkey. I knew nothing more about the prophet Balaam. So I started to read in the book of Numbers. What became clear was that Balaam was clearly a false prophet. He took money to prophesy. In the New Testament in 2 Peter 2: 14-16 we hear about men called blasphemers, experts in greed, men compared to brute beasts, who have wandered off to follow the ways of Balaam.
Jesus, in Revelation 2:14 is warning the church because there are people that hold to the teachings ofBalaam. And yet God chose to speak through him. A false prophet.
I'm not going to say that A.A. Allens' vision is a warning from God. But based on what I learned today in the Word of God about Balaam, neither can I say it's not. Maybe he could be one of those who say, "Lord, Lord, didn't I prophecy in your name, and in your namedrive out demons, and
perform many miracles? And he will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me you evildoers!" Matt 7: 22-23

THAT'S All FOLKS!!!


Internet reading about Balaam:

http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/sno ... e1307.html

http://tinyurl.com/2j35y8

[sherrimae]

I'm not sure what to think about prophecies like this. I don't seem to remember reading about any that have actually come true. I generally don't trust in prophecies that don't come from the Bible.

Somewhere in the Old Testament, I think there is a verse that basically says that if a man is truly a prophet, all of his prophecies will come true. If even one prophecy is not true, then that man is a false prophet.

[Sunny]

Hey WWW, good to see you, too! I've enjoyed your posts! Seeing you here was part of my motivation to register here, too!

RSVP, your post shows a lot of thought and prayer and insight.

Like you, in reviewing the vision, it was the scriptures that spoke to me and gave me that authoritative ring of truth. The fact that 9/11 can so easily fit the part about the Statue being forced to drink the cup, and the perfect description of Star Wars three decades before the idea was mentioned by Reagan also added a strong dose of credibility to me. And the Statue staggering in the Gulf seems a perfect picture of our illegal invasion.

I've been warned that deception is so effective because it always consists of truth mixed with error... the truth catches us off guard to the deception that follows.

But having said all that, the vision still holds a powerful ring of truth to me, even though I do believe now that Allen was an apostate.

Balaam is an excellent example of how the prophecy could be true in spite of Allen himself. But, personally, I have deleted the prophecy from my computer after holding on to it for all these years.

This just about ends my believing any prophecy from an extra-biblical source. Also, the original prophecies were directed primarily at Israel, Judah and Jerusalem, and I am getting very skeptical of anyone applying them to the US. There is no proof -- only speculation that they MAY apply to us.

Maybe in this day of rampant deception, a healthy skepticism isn't a bad thing.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

I hear you, Sunny, and thank you for the kind words...it is good to see you, too!

God IS known to use "crooked sticks"...but I think He wants us to draw the line at crooked sticks that ask for a lot of money.

Still, it's interesting...

[Sunny]

God IS known to use "crooked sticks"...but I think He wants us to draw the line at crooked sticks that ask for a lot of money.

Yep, that is a powerful clue!

[DeLila]

''AA Allen was a flamboyant, charasmatic evangelist who fell, and died drunk in an automobile crash. But somehow the vision has a ring of truth to me. ''


THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME..........I believe, if GOD had given me that vision, I would not be drunk. I am very skeptical of all these tv preachers....I just don't see John or Paul drunk....

[WhiteH2OWoman]

''AA Allen was a flamboyant, charasmatic evangelist who fell, and died drunk in an automobile crash. But somehow the vision has a ring of truth to me. ''


THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME..........I believe, if GOD had given me that vision, I would not be drunk. I am very skeptical of all these tv preachers....I just don't see John or Paul drunk....

Actually, another strong Christian told me that many Old Testament prophets "self-medicated" themselves a lot by drinking lots of wine. I don't have the scriptures right at my fingertips, but I'll bet I could find them...

OH, WAIT...remember how Noah had too much wine to drink in his tent (after the flood), and how Ham "saw his father's nakedness", but then Shem and Japeth did the right thing and covered their father's nakedness by walking backwards into Noah's tent with a cloak held between them to cover Noah?

Yeah, Noah was drunk then...and he was a huge OT prophet. Check Genesis, I believe it's 6:9.

And it wasn't just that one time, either..."And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine [i.e. yah-yin], and was drunken" (Genesis 9:20-21 KJV)

Does it really bother you about Noah?

[mela]

I can only imagine it must be quite a heavy burden to be a prophet.

[savedbygrace]

Yeah, Noah was drunk then...and he was a huge OT prophet. Check Genesis, I believe it's 6:9.

And it wasn't just that one time, either..."And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine [i.e. yah-yin], and was drunken" (Genesis 9:20-21 KJV)

Does it really bother you about Noah?

Romans 14:
17for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

18For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another.

20 Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense.

21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles.

22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

I have an occasional glass of wine myself. And I have news for some people... if you don't like wine, you are going to be really missing out at the Marriage supper of the Lamb in the millennial kingdom of Jesus...

Matthew 26:29 Jesus said:
I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

I don't think He was talking about grape juice.. and I don't think they will be serving Kool Aid either

[mela]

Let's not forget about Lot...eeewwwww, nevermind!!!

[Sunny]

DeLila, AA Allen had that vision in 1954. He died drunk in the mid-sixties.

He didn't have the vision while he was drunk.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

Let me clarify--I'm not saying it's OK to get drunk, because it's probably not OK. But what I AM saying is that there were prophets who occasionally did it. I would further note, however, that they were apparently not habitually drunk.

Maybe AA Allen died drunk because he was so terrified by what he saw that he was what they call "self-medicating?"

I'm going to guess that may have been why Noah got drunk after the flood. Think about it...you get out of the ark, and there are dead bodies EVERYWHERE, like out of a horror movie, and the place STINKS! It must have been a truly horrifying scene that stuck in everyone's memory.

[savedbygrace]

I'm going to guess that may have been why Noah got drunk after the flood. Think about it...you get out of the ark, and there are dead bodies EVERYWHERE, like out of a horror movie, and the place STINKS! It must have been a truly horrifying scene that stuck in everyone's memory.

I have wondered about this, but it seems to me from the time the Lord shut Noah and his family in the ark until the time they came out, more than a year had passed.

It rained 40 days/nights (Gen 7:17)
The waters prevailed 150 days (Gen 7:24)
The waters receded 150 days (Gen 8:3)
The waters receded 3 months after the ark rested on Ararat in the 7th month (Gen 8:4-5)
After 40 more days Noah opened the window to send a dove (Gen 8:6)
After 7 more days Noah sent the dove a second time (Gen 8:10)
After 7 more days Noah sent the dove, and it did not return (Gen 8:12)
The water was dried up on the first month (Gen 8:13)
Noah went out of the ark on the second month (Gen 8:14-16)

And then the bible says Noah made an altar to the Lord and made burnt offerings from the clean animals and : 21The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
22"While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
And cold and heat,
And (R)summer and winter,
And (S)day and night
Shall not cease."


So, in reading the text, two things can be determined. 1) Noah was in the ark a long time, and 2) The aroma of Noah's offerings after the flood was pleasing to the Lord so greatly that He promised never to destroy every living thing while the earth remains.

How long does it take for human, animal, and/or dinosaur flesh to decompose while in water?

Also, after decomposing, I would think the bodies would have sunk to the muddy silt at the bottom and become buried in the layers of mud when the waters receded.

???

GBU,
Jake

[mark s]

Where do we get that the prophets got drunk? We have this time with Noah, but where aside from that?

Also, about the bodies in the flood, the surface of the earth may have been fairly clean, the water having drained off fairly quickly as the mountains rose up, and the seabeds sank, washing away the bodies and debris.

I mean, who knows, right? But that would make sense.

Love in Christ,
Mark

[RomaLynnStar]

Well I am not so sure about this guy or any other right now, but what did strike me also was the scriptures that he used and those David Wilkerson used.

What he showed was what is written in scripture and appllied it to America, and if you look at how evil our country has become, as many others, it sure could fit.

But my point is this one, Jesus was the only perfect human being ever.

If God now has to have a perfect man to use, we may as well give it up, cause none of us could be used to bring forth any kind of truth. I do not mean that we even need prophets, per se right now.

I think the writings of the prophets, in the OT as well as John's writing of the revelation are fairly sufficient.

But I do think by the Holy Spirit we may get specific warnings about things, and we should obey them. We have to be very careful though to test everything by the word of God, nothiing will contradict this.

But like I said, there is not going to be a perfect man anywhere today to teach, preach, share, etc. Including any of us. God who is very wise is able to use, like we said even a donkey.

[Mrs. B]

Vision- Destruction of America......

Remember this back in 2007?


Mrs. B

[Tevye]

Strange clouds form over Florida beach
February 7, 2012
An unusual cloud formation hovered over Panama City, Florida
cnn.com/video - link

[Hischild]

In response to the comments about A.A.Allen, My Dad grew up during his ministry and said on many occasions that was a true man of God, however in the end he did die a drunk, why, don't know. Ask God when you meet him. As for the Annointing oil in ones hands that Sunny was reffering to, don't discredit this Miricle as a circus show! My Mom recently at a weekend revival had this happen to her and was pressed by the Holy Ghost to pray for people until one certain person came up for prayer, then it went away. Its only happened a coulple of times, And I can assure you as a God fearing Christian man, it was real! If you don't beleive me, well thats just on you. Good Day.

Hischild

[Hischild]

Also if you want to look up a modern day Prophet, look up David Terrel on facebook, not sure about google. Everything hes prophecied has come true except 3, and they just haven't happened yet. 1. california falling into the ocean 2. a presidential cason (casket pulled by horses) being pulled down penn. ave. 3. a woman president.

see if you can find him on facebook, hes a white haired man.

Hischild

[Tevye]

Also if you want to look up a modern day Prophet, look up David Terrel on facebook, not sure about google. Everything hes prophecied has come true except 3, and they just haven't happened yet. 1. california falling into the ocean 2. a presidential cason (casket pulled by horses) being pulled down penn. ave. 3. a woman president.

see if you can find him on facebook, hes a white haired man.

Hischild

Hi Hischild,
I yahoo searched (D.T.) and found this
is he the same person, as described on this blog?
ianvincent.wordpress.com

[imirish01]

Interesting reading. A friend is memorizing Hebrews 11. In that, Samson is listed in the hall of faith. He married a Phillistine woman- against the rules for a judge, he failed to honor his parents, he played games to where he lost his gift, yet at the end, he had faith.

We hold our pastors, prophets, teachers, etc. up to very high standards and yet our examples still show themselves as being very human. I hate to pick on Peter, but he is a good New Testament example of someone who still battles with his human nature.

It seems the larger the call the greater the fall can be if Satan gets a foothold. That is why we look to the Lord as the author and finisher. I obey Him because He tells me to pray for those over me. Adn to continue to pray for them when they slip, so that the Lord might restore them.