Garbage

[noble1]

Does anyone have time to weed through this garbage? My daughter who is not serving the Lord right now just befriended this guy on FB today. He happens to be her stand-in karate instructor while hers is on vacation in FL.

Please check out this site and let me know what I need to pray against. My daughter seems to want to chase after anything and everyone that is the slightest bit appealing to her. Especially those who are not serving the Lord. This particular link was at the bottom of a long note he posted on his profile page...of which I only skimmed since it was so incredibly exhausting and confusing to read. When you know the TRUTH all else is just garbage!!

http://www.desteni.co.za/

Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!!

[Pretzelogical]

From the link:

Desteni is the Name of the Organization of People that are placing Information available to All with regards to the current Process that is taking place on Earth in terms of realizing Who We Really Are as Life. They provide All Information with regards to how the System works, how we operate as Mind Consciousness Systems and they provide Tools that Each One can apply for themselves Individually within the consideration of realizing that we are All One and Equal - and we must take Responsibility for what we've created as such.

Notice the capitalization of the Name. Normally we would write, "...is the name of the organization of people..." This sent up the red flag that they believe they can be God, so I read further. Then I see "All" and "Process" are also capitalized, so it is intentional, not a grammar mistake. No surprise then to see "Earth" capitalized since the new world religion worships their *Mother Earth* and created things. Again with the capitalizing. They claim "All" knowledge in these matters.

LORD JESUS, Creator and Sustainer of everything, please keep these people out of this anti-Christ system that worships created things and themselves. You tell us in Psalm 100 that we did not create ourselves. You are the ONE who transforms us by Your word! You are the ONE who gives us eternal life for it is in no other Name! Open their hearts and minds to Your truth. Close the gate against the lies of the system that leaves the gate open for demons to take over the conscious of the simple minded. Give them the understanding that You died for each person, not for systems nor groups. Give her understanding that we are all nothing without Jesus' cleansing blood. Keep her from their superstitious theories that masquerade as proven science. May their lips praise You in surrender to Your will to believe on the LORD Jesus Christ to be saved! Amen!

See threads here on "down the rabbit hole" and "the possibilities church" for further explanation.
Prayerfully,
Lisa

PS I will read more later.

[Abiding in His Word]

Gee, noble1, they speak a language which confounds me.... I couldn't make heads nor tails about the purpose of this group, but I'll keep your daughter in my prayers for sure.

[noble1]

Thanks Lisa for your preliminary summary. I agree abiding...it was beyond confusing for me. I'm glad that God chose to reveal His truth to me so that all else would pale in comparison! Thanks also for your prayers for my daughter. I know that God is hearing and answering them!

[brandon]

Classic New Age spirituality. "There is no God, you are your own god." I got into this stuff in high school. Very appealing to smart people. No judgement on sin, no need for grace. You create your own universal reality. Watch for meditation, websites teaching how to harness chakra energy, and potentially out of body experiences.

New Age mysticism is appealing because it exalts self as a powerful spiritual being. The best thing to do is pray for her and love her. Eventually God will show her that all of her self-exaltation was nothing but bondage to sin. It was a terrifying moment for me to realize I was captive to sin.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

Hi Noble One,

I did a little searching and agree- this is New Age occultism through and through. I watched one of the videos at the link you gave and it said it all:

"the total message of Destini is self Perfection" the claim is that self forgiveness makes you equal with God. Self perfection is attained through Self forgiveness, Self honesty, Self responsibility. It is the New Age craft of self- realization which is the root goal of the movement. Everyone needs to come to the realization that they are god, and through self realization which involves meditation they can ascend to their godhood. It is 100% blaspheme!

I did a search on the man behind Destini, Bernard Poolman, and found this in a forum about cults which might help you

Hi, I'm new here. I just wanted to add in about what I've found about Desteni.

A little while ago I bumped into Desteni Productions on youtube. I watched one of their videos which was more annoying than not. However, I decided to look at a few more and boy was I in for a surprise. After chatting with several members of Desteni on some of the youtube comments page, I was banned. I was really curious as to why they seriously held so many strange beliefs to be true. Also, I didn’t completely understand what in the heck they were talking about. So, I did as one of their members suggested and started going through their website. Needless to say, the Desteni forum is not well organized. The members seem to want you to read through all the material and watch all the mind numbing videos just to get a rudimentary understanding of their teachings. What I’m presenting here is an overview of the Desteni New Religious Movement for those who wish to find out more about them without becoming terribly confused. I will begin with their belief system. It should be noted that members of Desteni maintain that they have no beliefs. They will even go to the point of calling someone else’s beliefs “beLIEfs” as to them all beliefs except their own are in fact lies.

Their Belief System (or Common Sense System)

1) Demons are actually ghosts who died from traumatic deaths

High Priest Darryl Thomas states the following:

Quote:
Demons have been greatly misunderstood in human history, and many beliefs about them have made erroneously attached to them. Demons in every case turned out to be human beings who died in extremely traumatic conditions, and were trapped within the emotional energetics symbolized by their deaths. A great number of these demons were children. And all demons were trapped on what was called 'the demon dimension' which was superimposed on earth. It was later discovered Heaven's attitude towards these trapped humans was singular: a total and complete disregard to those beings. Since no one on Earth had ever witnessed the goings-on regarding Heaven, nobody had any idea what the true nature of demons were. It was only within the process of assisting demons was this discovered.


2) God and his angels are evil (The Annunaki)

To Desteni, God is known as Anu who belongs to an ancient race of beings known as the Annunaki. Anu and his ilk crafted and created most of the misery now present in the world. Even though, Desteni claims not to blame the creator, it still pictures God as the architect of suffering. God denied humanity freedom through installing preprogrammed behaviors which create and perpetuate suffering. Many of the ideas concerning these beings come from Zachariah Sitchen and Amitakh Stanford (which has been noted earlier in the thread). The Desteni cosmology is more detailed and vast than this, but a more detailed description will not be given here. Regardless, in this context, the passive acceptance of such a cosmology defies reason.

Another idea of God which Desteni states along with other new age groups is that God is one and one with the universe. Therefore, everything within the universe is God. As far as Desteni is concerned, once humanity as a whole reaches a certain level of awareness, all as one will transcend and realize our place as equal to God. However, Desteni does not account for how the universe came into existence and rejects any idea of an external God. In some ways this mirrors Sethian Gnosticism where the Logos (Universe) is either good or disinterested. And Ialdabaoth or Demiurge (Anu) made humanity. Desteni also mirrors Gnosticism in that earth is like a hell or prison.

3) The girl named Sunette is or was an Interdimensional Portal through which spirits may communicate

The girl who appears on most of the videos was at one time a portal through which demons could take control of the girl’s body in order to relay information about cosmology, history, and the true state of the world. Others have used the word channeling, while followers of Desteni claim that a portal is where the entity has total control whereas in channeling the channeler maintains control. Regardless, I've been unable to find anything about portaling seperate from Desteni or prior to 2007. It seems like Desteni just made the word up. Spirits who communicated through the portal include Jesus, Hitler, some guy named Jack, Aliens, a turkey, and a vibrator (apparently inanimate objects have spirits too). Soon after manifesting or acquiring this ability, Sunette conveniently ceased being able to use or manifest this power on Sept. 1st 2008. Then, in December of the same year, the portal reopened for some strange reason. But whatever, portal interviews trickled out less and less after that.

4) The Present Condition of the World is Abusive

The Followers of Desteni state that the current state of the world where war, rape, poverty, etc. is caused through programmed human behavior. To Desteni, this current state is unacceptable. Desteni states that all the old systems (religion, governments, etc.) have failed. If humanity as a whole applied the Desteni Program true freedom could be attained and the abusive conditions would supposedly cease.

5) The Desteni Process: Self Forgiveness, Self Honesty, and Self Responsibility

This is where I think many who encounter Desteni members have trouble understanding what exactly they are saying. The Desteni Process is where one, over at least seven years, releases the chains of thought and emotion. The program has some similarities with the Auditing process in Scientology. However, the Desteni Process more closely resembles Zen Buddhism’s state of mindfulness. It is where one pays close attention to the endless ramblings of the mind and ceases the mind’s wanting to insert judgments or preconceptions onto things or actions.

Desteni Self Forgiveness: The process whereby an initiate acknowledges unwanted thoughts (including beliefs) or thoughts which lead to emotions.

Desteni Self Honesty: The process whereby an initiate unlearns or disbelieves all previous held conceptions and world beliefs. It is tied closely with the idea of Polarity and Common Sense.

Desteni Self Responsibility: The process whereby an initiate ceases or interrupts thoughts and emotions as they begin. Sometimes, followers of Desteni write the term as “Self Response-ability” as it denotes an ability to respond to or cancel thoughts upon their inception.

6) Humans are Programmed from Birth

According to Desteni, human behavior is predetermined from birth. A new born baby is downloaded with consciousness software which will dictate how the person feels and thinks for the entirety of life. The modern conception of free will is an illusion. Therefore, when Desteni says that a man who raped a child has no free will, his preprogrammed thoughts and feelings drove him to commit the act. The only salvation from thought slavery is through the Desteni Program.

7) Equality and Oneness for All

Desteni states that beneath all the illusions and feelings of separation, all of humanity and everything in the universe is in fact one and equal. By one, I think they mean one like God as God is one with the universe and everything in it. By equal, I think they mean that we really have no differences. The differences which we appear to have are based upon the illusions which the world has pulled over our eyes. In this way, someone who is a great basketball player is only great because we have deceived ourselves into thinking we could never be as great. Desteni seems to reject the idea that some people have more talents or abilities than others. Also, I don’t think that they mean equality in the metaphysical sense of the word. When Desteni members say that “We stand up within ourselves as One and Equal,” they mean that all of humanity is the same underneath all the beliefs, thoughts, and emotions. Therefore, if two or more people strip away their preconceptions, they would realize that they are not separate beings but one and equal.

8) The Current Money System and Social Constructs are Harmful

According to Desteni, the world’s current monetary system causes or adds to suffering through poverty. A harmful money system in this context would mean any money system which allows one person to make or receive more money than another. Therefore, everyone on the planet should receive the same wage no matter what. If a doctor is making x amount of money for his or her services, then a janitor should make x amount as well. Additionally, laws and customs are seen as harmful since they add to the deceit or illusion of separation and polarity. A law or custom is an external construct that imposes or reinforces programmed behavior. If all would see themselves as Equal and One, then the need for laws and customs would disappear.

9) The Veneration of Life

Followers of Desteni will claim that they worship nothing but life. In fact, to Desteni, life is religion. The veneration of life takes place when one realizes that everything has awareness. Everything is sacred because everything is one and equal. One might notice that Desteni seems to make a lot of noise concerning social injustices in the world such as poverty, cruelty, and war. On the other hand, one might notice that they don’t seem to be too concerned about raising donations or helping charities for such social injustices. It seems that those who follow Desteni believe that under going the Desteni Process by itself will end such injustices. Therefore, if everyone converted to Desteni and undertook the Process, all would realize or see the illusion of separation for what it is and naturally cease creating suffering.

The Modus Operandi

Desteni exists, for the time being, as a small new religious movement based in South Africa (near Durban) from the Desteni Farm. Its driving goal seems to be conversion of as many as possible to its indoctrination and belief system via the internet. The target age group is mainly young adults (around the age of 20). Those who become followers of Desteni may go to the farm to receive education and mind control exercises. After this education period, these individuals may return to their homes. From there, these individuals will try to spread the message to others through relationships or the internet. Unlike some new religious movements (or cults), Desteni seems more organic in that it doesn’t require isolation of its members from outsiders. In fact each follower of Desteni seems to become their own living system of isolation. While Desteni has gained some following since its inception in around 2008, it seems to have slowed down a bit. The most likely reason for this is due to the lack of an inspiring and believable charismatic leader. While the girl known as Sunette acts in this respect, she seems to presently lack the dominating presence or inspiration of a charismatic leader. However, this does not mean that the movement will cease to grow. In my view, Desteni has several things going for it. Firstly, it is non-exclusive which means that it easily accessible to the common folk regardless of wealth or status. Its organic nature allows it to flourish outside of Desteni controlled zones. It appears liberating in that it shows a way for people to release themselves from anxiety and other social issues. Lastly, Desteni gives purpose and solidarity through its goals to dismantle the current state of the world and set up its own system in its place.

A few more things: Polarity and Common Sense

Desteni Polarity: In Desteni, polarity is anything which has an opposite: good/evil, happy/sad, love/hate. It is pretty much anything which makes an individual think of the world in good and bad terms. Sometimes the word duality will be used. Desteni considers polarity to be another deception. While things may not be good or bad in and of themselves, Desteni's use of the term is an oversimplification.

Desteni Common Sense: This seems to mean thinking or accepting things without judgments, interpretations, beliefs, or definitions. For example, if one sees a swastika, one will not automatically think evil. In some ways it seemingly seeks to reduce humans to the mental level of children or perhaps even animals. Regardless, the followers of Desteni seem to apply their common sense to everything except Desteni beliefs. Or rather, Desteni beliefs are Common Sense.

This is all I have for now. I keep a personal online journal where I'm writing my findings. Anything new which I think will add to the information, I'll post it here.

The same person also said:

I agree that Mr. Poolman's involvement is very indicative of Desteni's functions. His presence is minimalized while he is still able to enjoy the fruits of Desteni. Many of the Desteni videos are concerned heavily with sex and how it should be enjoyed equally between all members. In their view, the only reason you wouldn't want to have sex with some other person is because of programming. Another dangerous precedent which Desteni sets is the equality of children. Desteni treats children as beings that need to be given leeway and freedom to explore and experience things on a level similar to adults. They are not to be taught that things are bad or good, but to make up their own minds along with helpful advice concerning Equality and Oneness. Also, note that Desteni makes a big stink about children being raped against their will. However, nothing is said concerning how children should be treated with regards to sex in non-forced situations. Most pedophiles don't go out of their way to force a child into sex but rather get the child used to or accepting of the idea.

Here is a lovely brochure like testimony written supposedly by a "Mother" to get people to feel safe about bringing their kids to Desteni Farm: http://desteni.co.za/a/micheler-my-chil ... f-a-mother

I don't know how South Africa legally views issues like child molestation, But in my view the South African government should keep a careful eye on Desteni.

You can read the rest of the posts here, if it's okay to link to this forum that is if not mods please remove.

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,82776

Hope this helps

RT

[noble1]

Thanks RT! It will take a few days for me to read this junk!

I do appreciate all of your prayers. Thankfully my daughter has not, to my knowledge bought into this garbage. She is and has always been very impressionable. I pray that the Holy Spirit would impress upon her heart that the time and the hour is drawing late and that the return of our Lord is imminently upon us!