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Postby Salty Skipper on Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:11 pm

We're going to start some stickies for topics that continually come up to keep the info more easily accessible. Here are some threads that reference the Roman Catholic Church. It's by no means comprehensive, so feel free to add your own links if you feel I've missed an important one, and please post new articles in this thread. Thanks!


[url=http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=38702&highlight=catholic]Christian Artists Performing for Pope
[/url]Pope Benedict prays JPII will help him build on spiritual gifts
Rome's Exorcist Gives Inside Look at Devil
Cardinals Hoping for a 5th Marian Dogma
A Warm Protestant Welcome for Mary
On Mary, Mother of God
Pope: We are the shepherd’s contemporaries, before the Mother of God and the Infant Child
Pope offers 'shortcut' through purgatory
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Postby suzanne on Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:28 am

the catholic church leading millions in to hell
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Postby ruotsher on Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:43 am

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_on_re_eu/pope_us

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE - Pope Benedict XVI said Tuesday he was "deeply ashamed" of the clergy sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic church and will work to make sure pedophiles don't become priests.

Oh brother, puleeeeze give me a break!

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Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... article.do


The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

The Panorama special, Sex Crimes And The Vatican, investigates the details of this little-known document for the first time. The programme also accuses the Catholic Church of knowingly harbouring paedophile clergymen. It reveals that priests accused of child abuse are generally not struck off or arrested but simply moved to another parish, often to reoffend. It gives examples of hush funds being used to silence the victims.


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Postby mizbayakh on Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:14 am

Is the Pope Catholic?
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Take the mark of the god Shiva (the Beast) in his forehead from a Hindu priestess.
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Pray with leaders of Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, and with African tribal witchdoctors, Asian shamen, Zoroastrian fire-worshippers, and Togo snake handlers.
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Kneel and pray at the gravesite of India's most famous guru.
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Meet with Islamic world's top political and religious leaders.
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Sit down with elite Jewish rabbis inside one of the world's greatest synagogues and declare that Jews do not need to convert to Jesus.
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Meet privately with ecumenical leaders like U.S.A. evangelist Billy Graham, the Church of England's Archbishop Carey, author Chuck Colson, and charismatic healer Benny Hinn—all of whom have publicly recognized the Pope as "The world's greatest religious leader."
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Participate in an occult earth ritual—led by a Native American Indian medicine-man—in which the Pope is "marked" on his forehead and accepts a feather as a talisman and charm.
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Full title: Lumen 2000 - The Pope's Secret Plan For Global Supremacy in the New Millenium Pastor Texe Marrs talks about the dangers of a potential One World Religion system, an idea which has risen to popularity over the past decades. In this video you will find amazing revelations including real events which parallel Bible prophecy. Texe chronicles the papacy of Pope John Paul II, who took office in 1978. He was the first pope to visit the city of Jerusalem and the nation of Israel. Texe poses the probing question: According to the Holy Bible, what is the role of the pope in prophecy? Among other questions: Will the pope set his feet upon Mt. Zion? Will he be at the temple mount? Could this be a movement toward fulfillment of Second Thessalonians Ch. 2, where the Antichrist goes into a rebuilt temple and declares he is above all other Gods? What is the meaning of the addition of the capital letter "M" to the papal symbol? What of the pope's slogan and logo reading "Totus Tuus Maria", and what implications does this hold for Christians around the world? The possibility of a One World Religion poses a threat to every person of every faith, be they Christian, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, or other. An invaluable documentary packed with incredible information that you cannot afford to miss.
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Postby David L on Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:01 pm

Moriel Ministries website section on Catholicism

Loaded with statistics and facts about many of the most recent sex scandals involving the RCC among other things. Some of the content may be too graphic for the weak hearted but the truth must be told.
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Postby Kookey on Thu May 08, 2008 7:25 pm

'Respect atheists', says Cardinal


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Postby Sparrow on Mon May 26, 2008 8:28 am

THE YEAR OF JUBILEE by Renee Clark [Note the Significance of Vatican II]



In Romans 2 we read of blessings and judgments coming upon the "Jew First, and also to the Gentile." It was always this way until a THIRD ENTITY came on the scene. NEW CREATURES (2 Cor. 5:17) showed up during the time of our Lord Jesus' life on this Earth around 2000 years ago, and have continued to dwell on this planet ever since. These New Creatures were, and still are, peculiar people. They were, and still are, neither Jew nor Greek. "To the Jew First" yes in times past, but these New Creatures, seeing that they are not Jews, when does God bless or judge them as a whole?

1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that Judgment must BEGIN at the House of God: and if it FIRST BEGIN with US, what shall the End be of them that obey not the Gospel of God?

Loves, this verse quoted above is about to have another manifestation. Judgment will come to the Church FIRST as God marks those who are really His and are therefore qualified to be taken in the Rapture. Then, the Rapture (which is a Judgment separating the Church from the Remaining ones) will happen FIRST before the Trib comes to judge the Jew and the Gentile.

We all know that 2014/2015 is the next Sabbatical Cycle after the one we are in now. So, 2016 would be the Jubilee year as we can see at the links listed above. That would mean that this FINAL JUBILEE COUNTDOWN BEGAN with the years 1965-1967:

1965-1966 Sabbatical Cycle
1966-1967 Jubliee-----the Year the Jerusalem "40 year countdown" began

Well then, if Judgment BEGINS with the House of God, His Church, then since the 40 year Judgment/Countdown for Israel began in 1967, did anything of major importance BEGIN with the Church FIRST, before it began for Jerusalem & the Jews?

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In December of 1965, VATICAN II was passed, and FOLKS THIS WAS HUGE!!!

Now, before we get into WHY this was a huge sign for the start of this Final Jubilee countdown, bear in mind that while the Head of God's true Church is Christ Jesus and no mere man, the "world at large" considers the Pope and the Catholic church to be the official spokesman for Christianity. Just consider in previous years for instance, and even now, how many world leaders have gone to visit the Pope. I don't have time to go into that part of history about the RCC, but it is true. Many say that Reagan couldn't have "brought down that wall" without the help of the Pope. Also remember that many Believers consider the "woman" who rides the Beast to be the Catholic church. If that is so, then the RCC plays a major role in the Trib that may be starting soon. Did she begin to prepare for her final role in 1965?

I don't think many of us (especially those who are younger than 40 years of age) can appreciate how much the RCC has changed since 1965. I still remember how it used to be years ago. Our RCC neighbors were easy to spot because of all the statues of Mary (etc) in their yards, and we were not welcomed to play with their children because we were Protestants. A boy asked me out on a date in high school, and when his parents found out I wasn't a RCC they made him back out of the date. You see, before Vatican II, the RCC still had the mindset of "Us vs Them." That kind of world view would've left the RCC in the Dark Ages if Vatican II hadn't happened. Vatican II, which was finalized in December of 1965 (Judgment BEGINS with the House of God, FIRST, before Jerusalem's Judgment in 1967) OPENED THE DOOR FOR THE ONE WORLD CHURCH that is getting ready to be made into reality, AND not only that. It ALSO OPENED THE DOOR for a reconciliation with the world's (gasp) JEWS!! This was HUGE, a huge sign back then!!!

Here is some info to consider about this Incredible Event regarding Christianity as a whole:

1. A quote from Pope John XXIII (who opened Vatican II) as he lay dying in May, 1963:
"Today more than ever, we are called to serve mankind as such, and not merely Catholics; to defend above all and everywhere, the rights of the human person and not merely those of the Catholic Church..." "It is not that the Gospel has changed: it is that we have begun to understand it better...the moment has come to discern the signs of the times, to seize the opportunity and to LOOK FAR AHEAD." Pope Paul VI carried on Vatican II after Pope John XXIII's death.

2. A quote from Archbishop Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II) who attended the Council:
"No Council (Vatican II) has ever spoken so clearly about Christian Unity, about dialogue with non-Christian religions..." "The best preparation for the NEW millennium, therefore, can only be expressed in a renewed commitment to apply, as faithfully as possible, the teachings of Vatican II to the life of every individual and of the whole Church."
http://vatican2voice.org/a_vat2/d/papal.asp

3. Below are excerpts from a Time Magazine article written in 1967 after Vatican II was done. It took FOUR YEARS to bring this Council to completion. The article is 6 pages long so I'm just going to post some snippets from it, but it is a very good read:

HOW VATICAN II TURNED THE CHURCH TOWARD THE WORLD
Friday, Dec. 17, 1965

Vatican II was strikingly different from the 20 other ecclesiastical assemblies that Roman Catholicism ranks as ecumenical. It is the first council that did not face, or leave in its wake, heresy or schism. Councils have always been the church's last-resort response to crisis — from the First Council of Nicaea, summoned by Emperor Constantine in 325 to combat the Arian heresy, to Trent (1545-63), which had to cope with the Reformation, to the abortive Vatican I (1869-70), which faced bewildering currents of anticlericalism and the effects of the ever-widening industrial revolution.

At the time Vatican II convened, there were few obvious threats, few violent complaints among its 560 million members. Yet the church was scarcely facing up to the growing secularization of life, the explosion of science, the bitter claims to social justice in old nations and new. Catholic theology, dominated by a textbook scholasticism, appeared to have stopped in the 13th century. Except by a few pioneer ecumenists, Protestants were unhesitatingly regarded as heretics. When not openly despised as the devil's realm, the modern world was at least suspect.

Today this sort of thinking seems almost as remote in the church as the sale of indulgences— and this is perhaps the strongest single measure of the council's achievements. The essentials of Catholic dogma stand, of course, as does Rome's claim of universality. What has changed drastically is atmosphere and attitudes. "Before, the church looked like an immense and immovable colossus, the city set on a hill, the stable bulwark against the revolutionary change," says the English Benedictine abbot, Dom Christopher Butler. "Now it has become a people on the march — or at least a people which is packing its bags for a pilgrimage."

In all, more than 2,400 patriarchs, cardinals, bishops and religious superiors took part in the council's deliberations. For the first time in history, observers from Protestant and Orthodox churches not only sat in attendance at the debates, but were also consulted by the prelates responsible for shaping conciliar decrees. In Rome also were more than 400 periti, or theological experts, and 400 newsmen who made the frank, free debates, quarrels and achievements of Vatican II front-page news in every nation outside the Iron Curtain.

The 16 promulgated decrees, constitutions and declarations that are the council's legacy divide roughly into two categories. The majority are aimed at the internal renewal and reform of Catholicism, but at least four may profoundly affect the relationship between the church and the non-Catholic world.

Of more concern to non-Catholics are the documents that clearly define the end of the church's Counter Reformation hostility to other faiths.

A decree On Ecumenism, committing Catholicism to work for Christian unity, for the first time acknowledges Protestant bodies as churches that share God's grace and favor. The declaration On Religious Liberty states the right of all men to freedom of conscience in worship. Another declaration, On Non-Christian Religions, condemns anti-Semitism and asserts that the Jewish people as a whole cannot be accounted guilty of Christ's death.

In the wake of this progressive victory has come what Dominican Edward Schillebeeckx of Nijmegen University calls "the triumph of anti-triumphalism"—the rejection by the council of the world-hating, anathema-hurling Counter Reformation conviction that Catholicism alone possessed the truth of life. In contrast to past councils, which devoted much of their time consigning to eternal flames those who did not agree with majority decisions, Vatican II issued no such condemnations. On the floor of St. Peter's, Vienna's Franzis-kus Cardinal Konig argued that the church has much to learn from the world, even from atheism.

As a first step, Paul last week announced a major overhaul of the stern, bureaucratic guardian of dogma, the Holy Office. Now known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, it must allow anyone charged with "error" the right to defend himself.

Paul, when he set up an advisory Synod of Bishops, also gave positive meaning to the concept of collegiality enunciated by the council. In pursuit of Christian unity, Paul and Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople last week issued a joint statement deploring the mutual excommunications that Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders had hurled at each other in 1054. Within months, it is expected that Paul will announce changes in Catholic discipline, such as a relaxation of the rules against mixed marriages and abolition of the compulsory Friday abstinence from meat.

It took 30 years for the decrees of Trent to take hold, and even in this century of rapid communication, it may take nearly as long before the promise of Vatican II is realized.
Much of the council's impact will not be felt until a reform of church seminaries and schools produces a new generation of priests and laymen.

"If the Roman Catholic Church had looked 450 years ago as it looks today," says Germany's Evangelical Bishop Otto Dibelius, "there would never have been a Reformation." Says U.S. Lutheran Leader Franklin Clark Fry: "Thank God that the council responded to the leading of the Holy Spirit as far as it did."

In general, the council indicates a new attitude toward a complex, pluralistic world. At its birth, the church was a beacon of moral light that stood apart from the Roman society in which it flourished. For more than 1,000 years after Constantine, it was a power within society, acquiring some of the pride, intolerance and triumphal spirit that is part of power's corruption. At the Reformation and after, the church reacted badly to the loss of its claim to be God's only spokesman and clung to its shrunken patrimony of power in ways that justified the exasperation of those who stood outside it.

Vatican II has made it clear that the church is ready to abandon "triumphalism," to erase the nonessential traditions that have often kept it from being credible as a moral force in the world at large. Without denying its own belief that it has a special divine mission, Catholicism now acknowledges that it is but one of many spiritual voices with something to tell perplexed modern man. When medieval Popes spoke to Kings and Princes, they listened and obeyed —or ran the risk of excommunication and exile from society. The words of Paul VI and his bishops to Presidents and Premiers bear no such threat; but neither did those of the Apostles to Roman procurators. Thus the more the church returns in spirit to the unfettered simplicity of the Gospel from which it sprang, the more likely it is that its voice will be heeded again by the world.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 74,00.html

4. Here is a quote from a Cutting Edge article also:

"For more than 1400 years the Roman Catholic Church was not only self-righteous, but in its own eyes the Church possessed absolute infallibility. The Church of Rome lorded over monarchs, over wealthy men, and over the poor with an iron hand. Irrespective of social latitude, if one's personal beliefs were inconsistent with those of the Church-the consequences were either prison, torture, burning at the stake, or all of the above. From the Church's perspective there was no salvation apart from Rome, no Christianity apart from Rome, and no room for discussion. However, in 1962 (beginning of Vatican II) something strangely disproportionate occurred, and many of the attitudes that prevailed for more than a millennia suspiciously disappeared."

Read more here: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1506ch3.html
5. "One of the most controversial documents was NOSTRA AETATE, which stated that the Jews of the time of Christ, taken indiscriminately, and ALL JEWS TODAY are no more responsible for the death of Christ than Christians. Many Catholics claimed that Vatican II marked the Beginning of a "New Springtime" for the Church. Vatican II OPENED THE DOOR to ecumenicalism and also Opened the door to Jews for the first time. Nostra Aetate Declaration was promulgated on 10/28/1965 by Pope Paul VI. The Title means: 'N OUR TIME' in Latin. The significance of this document as a NEW STARTING POINT in the Church's relations with JUDAISM, in light of the foregoing, can be appreciated from the vantage point of the passage of FORTY YEARS."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vat ... mn_1965.29
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostra_Aetate

6. This article, in light of the previous ones, sums it all up nicely:

The Wait Is Over: Jews' Messiah Now Kosher Says Cardinal Ratzinger — the second most Powerful Person in the Vatican
Friday April 8, 2005

IS HE REALLY A JEWISH ZIONIST?
IS HE THE NEXT POPE? or IS HE THE POPEMAKER?

Vatican affirms Jewish position; scholars scramble to decipher new doctrine.
Eric J. Greenberg – Staff Writer

In 1967, during the early thaw of Catholic-Jewish relations, Rabbi Irving “Yitz” Greenberg addressed a Catholic audience about the conflicting Messiah beliefs. The Orthodox rabbi noted that one difference between Jews and Catholics is whether the Messiah is coming for the first or second time. Christians believe the Messiah — a Jew from Nazareth called Jesus — came 2,000 years ago, and after dying and being resurrected, will someday return to redeem the world.
Jews say the Messiah has yet to arrive — a belief that led to centuries of Christian anti-Semitism and killings of Jews who refused to accept the Christian view.

Rabbi Greenberg suggested the dispute be tabled until the Messiah arrives. When the Messiah comes, Jews and Christians “can ask him if this is his first coming or his second,” finally putting the issue to rest. But this week, the Messiah debate suddenly took center stage in Jewish-Catholic relations, in an appropriately bizarre and mysterious manner.

It follows the revelation last week that the Vatican’s top biblical scholars recently issued a report that for the first time in nearly 2,000 years apparently validates as legitimate the Jewish wait for the Messiah.

A 210-page document titled “The Jewish People and the Holy Scriptures in the Christian Bible,” by the Pontifical Biblical Commission and authorized by the Vatican’s top theologian, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, reportedly states that “the Jewish messianic wait is not in vain.” It reportedly says Jews and Christians share their wait for the Messiah, although Jews are waiting for the first coming and Christians for the second.

The new document also reportedly contains an apology to the Jewish people for anti-Semitic passages contained in the New Testament, and also stresses the continuing importance of the Torah for Christians. The book comes to light as anti-Semitism appears to be increasing around the world from Christian and Muslim sources.

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Also see: link
-- Published in 2002

7. On September 14, 1965 the last session (4th) of the Council was opened and it formally closed on December 8th, 1965. At the CLOSE of Vatican II, Pope Paul VI declared a Jubilee from January 1 to May 26, 1966 to urge all Catholics to study and accept the decisions of the Council and apply them in spiritual renewal.

Loves, this Vatican II was a huge sign for the Church and for the world. Is it just a coincidence that this happened to occur during the Sabbatical Cycle of 1965/66? 1965/66 + 50 = 2015/16. Keep watching and praying Our Lord Jesus is at the Door!!!
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Postby Sparrow on Sat May 31, 2008 11:44 am

Priests from Nebraska lead rite's resurgence of Latin Mass

Christopher BurbachOmaha World-Herald, Neb.


http://calibre.mworld.com/m/m.w?lp=GetStory&id=308725821

Released : Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:00 AM

May 31--LINCOLN -- A cardinal from the Vatican, surrounded by 50 priests.

Gregorian chants floating through clouds of incense.

A 3 1/2 -hour Mass, sung in Latin mostly by priests facing the altar.

A cathedral packed to standing-room-only with lots of families with lots of children, women and girls in veils, men in suits, boys in neckties and close-cropped haircuts.

Catholics kneeling to take communion.

The ordination at Lincoln's Cathedral of the Risen Christ on Friday seemed oh-so-retro. But it was hardly an exercise in nostalgia. It was more like back to the future for a small but growing minority that seeks a louder voice in the Roman Catholic Church -- those devoted to the old Latin liturgy known as the Tridentine Mass.

It's a big deal for Catholics because many equate bringing back the Tridentine Mass, which dates to the 16th century, with rejecting the 1960s reforms of Vatican II. Proponents see it as finally bringing back sacredness, God-oriented reverence and tradition that had been left behind.

Whatever the reaction, Friday's events in Lincoln were a further sign that the Latin Mass is on a rebound some 40 years after it was replaced, in the wake of Vatican II, by the modern Mass. The newer rite is celebrated in the local language with the priest facing the congregation.

The Latin Mass was largely shunned for nearly 20 years. It began a comeback when Pope John Paul II approved its use in 1984, then further encouraged its use in 1988 with a letter known as Ecclesia Dei Adflicta.

The rebound accelerated last year when Pope Benedict XVI decreed, in a document called a motu proprio, that priests no longer needed their bishops' approval to say the old Latin Mass, or as the pope calls it, the extraordinary form of the Roman rite.

Denton, Neb., a small town outside Lincoln, is a center of the movement. It's home to Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary, which prepares men from all over the world to be priests in the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. That organization is the largest of the priestly societies authorized by the Vatican to preserve ancient liturgical traditions.

Friday's service in the Lincoln cathedral was the ordination of four Fraternity of St. Peter priests. They were ordained by Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, head of the Vatican department that oversees matters regarding the Latin Mass. His appearance in Lincoln was not only a sign of the Nebraska seminary's importance to Rome, but also a further symbol of encouragement from a pope seen as friendly to those who love the Latin Mass.

The ordination Mass was televised live on Eternal Word Television Network, an international Catholic cable network.

Like many of the 800-plus people at Friday's ordination, Wyoming Catholic College teacher Thaddeus Kozinski saw Friday's ordination in the context of Pope Benedict's recent U.S. visit and last year's papal decree.

"What you're seeing is a resurgence in traditional Catholicism and a public vindication of it," Kozinski said as he and his family joined a throng chatting on the cathedral steps after the service. "It's not marginalized anymore."

Kozinski said he hopes his fellow devotees of the Latin Mass will respond with joy and gratitude to God.

About 300 Latin Masses are offered each Sunday in the United States, according to the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei, an Illinois-based lay group that promotes the old liturgy. That's up from about 175 a Sunday in 2001.

Latin Masses are offered each Sunday at such churches as Immaculate Conception Church, on South 24th Street in Omaha, and St. Francis of Assisi Church, 1145 South St. in Lincoln. About 250 people combined attend the three Masses at Immaculate Conception.

"It's a drop in the bucket," said Mary Kraychy, executive director of the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei. "But it's growing."

The Denton institution is the Fraternity of St. Peter's English-speaking seminary. The fraternity also has a seminary in Germany. Currently, 45 seminarians are enrolled at Our Lady of Guadalupe.

The seminary recently was expanded to accommodate 100 students, said the Rev. Joseph Lee, a priest of the society. It draws seminarians from around the world and sends priests around the world.

The Fraternity of St. Peter has nearly 200 priests worldwide. Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary also is one of the largest providers of training for priests who wish to learn the old Latin Mass. Since June 2007, priests from more than 60 dioceses have been trained.

The society moved the seminary to Nebraska from Pennsylvania in 2000. Lincoln Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz invited the society to his diocese, but the seminary is independent of the diocese. Rather, the society reports directly to Rome.

Demand from priests and parishioners has increased since Benedict XVI's much-anticipated 2007 decree, Lee said. The pope wanted to make sure that the extraordinary form of the Roman rite is preserved and made available to Catholics who desire it, Lee said.

What Benedict XVI didn't intend with the decree, and he said so himself in a letter to bishops, was for the Latin Mass to replace the modern Mass, known as the Novus Ordo. The pope refers to that liturgy as the ordinary form of the Roman rite.

"It (the decree) doesn't require it. and it doesn't encourage replacing the Novus Ordo," said Eileen Burke-Sullivan, an assistant professor of theology at Creighton University. "The emotional and spiritual needs of people are very varied. There isn't one size that fits all."

Devotees of the Latin Mass include older Catholics who grew up with it and wish it had never gone away, as well as younger people raised on modern Masses.

Omahan Erin Sullivan grew up on English-speaking Masses but found a church home where the Tridentine Mass was offered. For about five years, she and her husband, Jim, and their children attended Latin Mass at St. Patrick Catholic Church. They moved about a year ago, with their seven children, to Immaculate Conception when Omaha Archbishop Elden Curtiss gave that parish to the Fraternity of St. Peter to administer.

Sullivan, who sang in the choir at Friday's ordination, said she was attracted to the Tridentine Mass by "its beauty and its reverence, its silence and its solemnity."

"When you attend the Latin Mass, there's no doubt that there's something holy and special going on," she said.

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Postby Abiding in His Word on Sat May 31, 2008 1:23 pm

"When you attend the Latin Mass, there's no doubt that there's something holy and special going on," she said.


lol ....just another version of a "feel-good" church. The mass is the mass is the mass no matter what language they use.

This return to latin is just another way of putting further distance between the heirarchy and the laity since it's rare the average catholic knows this language today. We had to learn latin when I was in high school, so we had knowledge of what was being said, but today I doubt catholics even care what's being said as long as it "feels" holy.
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Postby Sparrow on Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:54 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:
"When you attend the Latin Mass, there's no doubt that there's something holy and special going on," she said.


lol ....just another version of a "feel-good" church. The mass is the mass is the mass no matter what language they use.

This return to latin is just another way of putting further distance between the heirarchy and the laity since it's rare the average catholic knows this language today. We had to learn latin when I was in high school, so we had knowledge of what was being said, but today I doubt catholics even care what's being said as long as it "feels" holy.



I would say it is a bit more serious and complicated than your run of the mill "feel-good" church.

Have you ever attended a Tridentine Mass? I have. I was born and raised in it. There is NOTHING "feel-good" about it. It is highly dark and spiritually oppressive.

My mother is full German and my father was full Czechoslovakian. They were both raised in a small rural ALL Catholic community not from this area in Nebraska. Both attended Catholic Parochial schools.

When they moved to a nearby small rural community, they started the Roman Catholic church there.

I knew my father was involved in the highly secretive Knights of Columbus, but not until he died in 2005 and I read his obituary, did I learn of the extent of that involvement.

He was a 3rd and 4th degree Knight and Grand Knight for a time over the whole state of Nebraska.

They take the same oaths the Jesuits take.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm


The Tridentine Mass is pre-Vatican II. Traditional Catholicism considered Protestants to be heretics and hunted them down.

My father, before he died, lamented that the mass was no longer said in Latin.

I can testify of this stuff firsthand.
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Postby Abiding in His Word on Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:03 pm

Sparrow wrote:Have you ever attended a Tridentine Mass? I have. I was born and raised in it.


Likewise, Sparrow.

There is NOTHING "feel-good" about it. It is highly dark and spiritually oppressive.


I was quoting from the article above where one member said this:

"When you attend the Latin Mass, there's no doubt that there's something holy and special going on," she said.

So at least there's two of us who think the Latin Mass makes one feel good and holy and evidently more as the article attests:

It's a big deal for Catholics because many equate bringing back the Tridentine Mass, which dates to the 16th century, with rejecting the 1960s reforms of Vatican II. Proponents see it as finally bringing back sacredness, God-oriented reverence and tradition that had been left behind.


I respect that you felt is was dark and spiritually oppressive, but evidently many others don't. It provides for many a "feeling" of sacredness and God-oriented reverence; hence my remark about a "feel good" church.
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Postby Sparrow on Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:57 am

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY concur with Pastor Ken Silva.





http://www.apprising.org/archives/2008/06/ken_silva_the_b.html


« PASTOR BOB DEWAAY ON HIS MEETING WITH RICK WARREN | Main | HUMAN DEPRAVITY...IN ME »

KEN SILVA: THE BLOODIED GROUND UPON WHICH I STAND CONCERNING RICK WARREN

I happen to be a former Roman Catholic whom the Lord graciously delivered from the religious bondage of apostate Roman Catholicism into the glorious liberty of the sons of God. As such I will continue to expose the anti-Reformational and unbiblical ecumenicism of evangelical “Protestant” and fellow Southern Baptist pastor Rick Warren.

Warren has absolutely no legitimate ground to stand upon making statements like these:

“The small group structure is the structure of renewal in every facet of Christianity — including Catholicism.”

Rick Warren, (Pew Forum)

“Now I don’t agree with everything in everybody’s denomination, including my own. I don’t agree with everything that Catholics do or Pentecostals do, but what binds us together is so much stronger than what divides us,” he said. “I really do feel that these people are brothers and sisters in God's family. I am looking to build bridges with the Orthodox Church, looking to build bridges with the Catholic Church,....”

Rick Warren, (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)

“The Church, in all its expressions—Catholic, Evangelical, Pentecostal, Protestant and many others—has 2.3 billion followers.”

Rick Warren, (Forbes)

Now because of the public posturing beginning to surround the meeting Warren recently had with his critics, to which I was invited, I just want to state with crystalline clarity where I personally stand here at Apprising Ministries.

So hear me when I state that I remain firmly opposed to what Rick Warren is doing, until at the very least, he publicly repents of his sin against the Body of Christ and the blood of our Lord’s martyred Reformers noted above.

And like Luther I also will have zero to do with milquetoast “middle of the road” men:

The negotiation about doctrinal agreement displeases me altogether, for this is utterly impossible unless the pope has his papacy abolished. Therefore avoid and flee those who seek the middle of the road. Think of me after I am dead and such middle-of-the-road men arise, for nothing good will come of it. There can be no compromise. (What Luther Says, II: 1019) (Online source)

See also:

APOSTASY, CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUALITY/MYSTICISM (CSM) IN THE SBC AND DISEASE IN THE CHURCH

RICK WARREN AND SADDLEBACK CHURCH: PRAYER IS NOT FOR THE NOVICE

MUST READ FOR RICK WARREN AND “PROTESTANT” EVANGELICAL LEADERS: ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHING ON SALVATION AND JUSTIFICATION

RICK WARREN: THE NEW CHARLES FINNEY

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Postby Sparrow on Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:19 am


Pope tells young people to trust in Mary


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12675

"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Timothy 2:5

At a meeting with young people in the northern Italian city of Savona, Pope Benedict XVI recited the Angelus prayer with the young people and invited them to trust in Mary.

He recalled the words the Virgin Mary spoke to shepherd Benedict Pareto in the year 1400 urging him to build a shrine on Mount Figogna, the place where she appeared.

Benedict Pareto, according to tradition, was worried because he did not know how to respond to Mary’s invitation to build a church in a place so remote from the city.

The Pope repeated the Virgin Mary’s words: “trust in me! With me in your midst you will not fail. With my help everything will be easy. Only keep your will firm. Trust in me!”

“This, Mary repeats to us today,” Pope Benedict said. “An ancient prayer, very dear in popular tradition, makes us turn in confidence to You with these confident words, that today we make our own: ‘Remember, O Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, sought your help or implored your intercession was left abandoned.’

“It is with this certainty that we invoke the motherly care of Our Lady of the Guard on your diocesan community, its pastors, consecrated persons, the lay faithful: young people, families, the elderly. To Mary we entrust the entire city, with its diverse population, its cultural, social and economic problems and challenges of our times, and commitment of those who cooperate for the common good.”


LIES, LIES, LIES.

NO WHERE in SCRIPTURE are we told to trust in her. This "MARY" is a false pagan god that will fit in well with the creation spirituality of gaia or mother earth worship.

I have also a LOT to say on the comment he made, "Only KEEP your will firm".

"Barabbas or Jesus: The Quandry of Free- Will" by Pastor Joseph Losardo on Sermon Audio website is an excellent message.


http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=3120702046
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Medjugorje "work of the devil": Ex Vatican exorcis

Postby Sparrow on Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:21 am

Medjugorje "work of the devil": Ex Vatican exorcist

http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=7452


Former Vatican exorcist Bishop Andrea Gemma has denounced alleged visions of Our Lady in the Bosnian town of Medjugorje as the "work of the devil" and a "diabolical deceit".

The UK Daily Mail reports that the Vatican has rejected claims made by the six Bosnian 'seers' that they have seen the Virgin Mary more than 40,000 times over the past 27 years
Bishop Andrea Gemma, 77, once the Vatican's top exorcist, told a magazine in Italy: "In Medjugorje everything happens in function of money: Pilgrimages, lodging houses, sale of trinkets.

"This whole sham is the work of the Devil. It is a scandal."

He predicted that the Vatican would soon crack down on the group.

The Medjugorje phenomenon began on June 25, 1981, when six children told a priest they had seen the Virgin on a hillside near their town. Some of the children also claim to have received ten secrets from Our Lady.

A church investigation dismissed the vision, and the Vatican banned pilgrimages to the site in 1985. But many Catholics ignored the ban.

Today, the seers own smart houses with security gates and tennis courts and expensive cars. One is married to a former US beauty queen.
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Postby burien1 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:35 am

Today, the seers own smart houses with security gates and tennis courts and expensive cars. One is married to a former US beauty queen


That says it all, doesn`t it? Good find, Sparrow. It`s a shame that all those sites couldn`t be exposed like this.

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LATIN MASS RETURNS TO CHARLOTTE, N.C.

Postby Sparrow on Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:46 am

http://www.charlotte.com/345/story/646674.html

Thursday, Jun 5, 2008
Posted on Fri, May. 30, 2008
Latin Mass: A ritual returns
By Tim Funk

After nearly four decades, the so-called Latin Mass is returning to a Catholic church in Charlotte today. It's a rite embraced by traditionalist Catholics who prize the silence, ritual, and mystery of a form of worship that dates back more than a thousand years.

Latin had been the official language of the Rome-based church since the 3rd or 4th century. But a push in the 1960s to bring the church in line with the modern world – a move spurred by the Second Vatican Council – led to major changes in the way the Mass is conducted. Starting in 1970, the priest began facing the people, not the altar, and said prayers in English, Spanish and other local languages.

Since then, a priest has needed permission of the local bishop to publicly celebrate the Mass in Latin. But that changed last July. Pope Benedict XVI directed that any parish getting a request for a Latin Mass could add one.

Today at 8 a.m., St. Ann Catholic Church, 3635 Park Road will become the first parish in Charlotte to begin offering a weekly Latin Mass.

Most parishes in and around Charlotte have reported little interest in bringing back the old Latin Mass.

But for some Catholics, the chance to worship the way their spiritual ancestors did makes them feel closer to God. “It's a different experience,” Debra Lemmon, 41, of Huntersville, says of the Latin Mass. “It puts you in a more contemplative state, a more reverent state . . . There's a better opportunity to go deeper.”

Here, then, is a primer on the Latin Mass. For still more information: www.sanctamissa.org
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Postby SoftTouch on Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:38 pm

Here are some links to online videos Exposing the Vatican/RCC:

Another Jesus: The RCC's Lying Signs & Wonders by Roger Oakland
http://74.53.109.242/oakland/video1/Another_Jesus.wmv

This is also on Google Now: http://video.google.com.au/googleplayer.swf?docid=-7749737981744754131


Which is more Trustworthy, the Bible or Tradition?
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=5764086146110513971

The Amazing Heresies of Benedict XVI
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=3183413150966333006

Messages from Heaven The Truth about Apparitions of Mary™
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1694135925255557653

A Woman Rides The Beast (Dave Hunt on Catholicism)
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-5656543228879822494

The Biblical Mary and The Catholic Tradition (Richard Bennett was from the Republic of Ireland and trained by the Jesuit priests in his early years.)
http://video.google.com.au/googleplayer.swf?docid=-103420021834446810

The Mystique of the Catholic Priesthood
http://video.google.com.au/googleplayer.swf?docid=1023826255633236358

Vatican Assassins and the Jesuit Order 1hr. 38 min. each:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7978718758076053201
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-9006631918236602056

Catholic Inquisition and The Torture Tools
http://www.youtube.com/v/Rx8PdvOELvY


And a couple more links Exposing the 'Ecumenical Movement' trying to bring Protestent Churchs under the umbrella of Rome:

Alignment of New Evangelicals with Apostacy
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-7560257237626979136

This video presentation by Richard Bennett of Berean Beacon exposes the Rotten Fruit of the Ecumenical Movement binding Evangelicals and Catholics together. Today we see the Emergent Church and Purpose Driven Movements taking this Ecumenical idea even further. This video is Excellent on So Many Levels!

www.bereanbeacon.org

You can read Richard Bennett's testimony of leaving the RCC Priesthood and being Truly Born Again here: Testimony of Richard Bennett

Mel Gibson's Vivid & Idolatrous Deception: The Passion of the Christ
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-9124480969625739482
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Postby Sparrow on Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:32 am

Thanks for posting the great links. I am familiar with most of these. Richard Bennett's testimony is fabulous and his presentation of the Gospel of Grace excellent.

I highly recommend Roger Oakland's book, "Another Jesus" as well.

Thanks again, ST, for posting these. :grin:
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Postby SoftTouch on Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:42 pm

Sparrow wrote:Thanks for posting the great links.


You're very welcome Sparrow! I hope they'll be very useful to you. I think I remember reading in another thread that your family is RCC? My dad's side is too and I know how difficult it can be to reach them with the truth :praying:
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Working Document Ready for October Synod

Postby Sparrow on Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:36 am

News Alert
COMMENT FROM UNDERSTAND THE TIMES

http://www.understandthetimes.org/alerts/june1408.shtml

The statement from the Vatican indicating that the Roman Catholic Church now desires the faithful to read and study the Bible as the Word of God is quite amazing but also very deceiving. There is good reason to be suspect.

If this were to actually occur, millions of Roman Catholics would have to leave the Roman Catholic Church because of the contradictions they would face as a result of seeing the light of God's Word exposing the errors of Roman Catholicism. It is apparent, even from statements made in the article (Bishops Hope to Bring More People to Read Scripture) that the Roman Catholic leadership does not actually mean what it appears to say with regard to studying the Word of God and believing what the Word of God states.

As well as the bishops calling for "lectio divina" (a meaningless repetition of a verse or portion of the Bible), this proposed emphasis on the Word of God would have one major theme in mind. According to the article:

"The synod will attempt to show the unity between the bread of the Word and of the Eucharist, between the Liturgy of the Word and the Eucharist, which are so united between themselves to the point of forming only one table of the bread of life," he continued, mentioning that the last synod focused on the Eucharist.

Understand The Times will continue to warn concerned Christians about the coming ecumenical union with Rome that will embrace an unbiblical "Mary-centered" theology and the idea that the sacrament of the Eucharist and Eucharistic adoration draw the lost to the "true Jesus". This clever deception to deceive the world will be accompanied by "lying signs and wonders" that will be very difficult to resist.

Remember the words of Jesus: "For there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not (Matthew 24: 24-26).

June 12 - Working Document Ready for October Synod

FULL ARTICLE: http://zenit.org/article-22887?l=english

According to the instrumentum laboris, one of the objectives of the synod is "to bring about a deep love for sacred Scripture, so that 'the faithful, by having greater access' to the Bible, might come to know the unity between the bread of the word and the Body of Christ so as to fully nourish the Christian life."

In particular, "lectio divina" will be promoted, that is, meditation on the word of God "adapted to different circumstances," Archbishop Eterovic added. "It seems vital to rediscover the bond between the word of God and the liturgy, which has its highest point in the celebration of holy Mass."

The secretary-general gave an example: According to recent research, "only 38% of Italian practicing Catholics have read a passage of the Bible in the past 12 months."

"More than 50% of those consulted in Italy and other countries believe that sacred Scripture is difficult to understand," the archbishop recounted. "Evidently, people need to be introduced and guided in an ecclesial understanding of the Bible."

"The synod will attempt to show the unity between the bread of the Word and of the Eucharist, between the Liturgy of the Word and the Eucharist, which are so united between themselves to the point of forming only one table of the bread of life," he continued, mentioning that the last synod focused on the Eucharist.

In fact, Archbishop Eterovic announced, the synodal assembly will have two important points of reference: the previous Synod on the Eucharist and the Pauline Year, which begins at the end of this month.
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1,600-year-old version of Bible goes online

Postby Sparrow on Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:15 pm

There are two copies of those Bibles in existence, A and B, the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. And where are they? They are in the custodial care of Rome. Now almost all of our revisions, of recent years in particular, come through that stream.

and Rome is the custodian of the Critical Text.
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All of the new "bible" versions which came about for this reason are about to bring forth the desired "fruit" of Vatican II.

http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/61/Vatican_II_and_the_Word_of_God_Part_4__Goal_of_Catholic_Bible_Study.html








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1,600-year-old version of Bible goes online
Technology brings one of oldest cultural artifacts accessible to everyone
By Dave Graham
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updated 1:32 p.m. MT, Mon., July. 21, 2008
BERLIN - More than 1,600 years after it was written in Greek, one of the oldest copies of the Bible will become globally accessible online for the first time this week.

From Thursday, sections of the Codex Sinaiticus, which contains the oldest complete New Testament, will be available on the Internet, said the University of Leipzig, one of the four curators of the ancient text worldwide.

High resolution images of the Gospel of Mark, several Old Testament books, and notes on the work made over centuries will appear on http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net as a first step towards publishing the entire manuscript online by next July.

Ulrich Johannes Schneider, director of Leipzig University Library, which holds part of the manuscript, said the publication of the Codex online would allow anyone to study a work of "fundamental" importance to Christians.

"A manuscript is going onto the net which is like nothing else online to date," Schneider said. "It's also an enrichment of the virtual world — and a bit of a change from YouTube."

Selected translations will be available in English and German for those not conversant in ancient Greek, he added.

Dating from around 350, the document is believed by experts to be the oldest known copy of the Bible, along with the Codex Vaticanus, another ancient version of the Bible, Schneider said.

The vellum manuscript came to Europe piece by piece from Saint Catherine's Monastery by Mount Sinai after German biblical scholar Konstantin von Tischendorf found a number of folios there in 1844. He was allowed to take some to Leipzig.

Tischendorf returned to the monastery in 1859 with Russian backing and acquired the biggest section of the Bible for his imperial sponsors. It remained in St. Petersburg until the Soviet Union sold it to the British Museum in 1933.

"The first section was clearly a gift to Tischendorf, but that's not so clear in the case of the second portion. The monks all signed a contract at the time, but the rumor persists that they were given a raw deal," said Schneider.

"And there is probably some truth to this."

Subsequent discoveries meant that the original Codex, missing roughly half the Old Testament, is now housed at four locations in Europe and the Middle East.


The project, launched in cooperation with the Russian National Library, the British Library and Saint Catherine's Monastery, also details the condition of the Bible, believed to have been written by early Christians in Egypt.

"I think it's just fantastic that thanks to technology we can now make the oldest cultural artifacts — ones that were once so precious you couldn't show them to anyone — accessible to everyone, in really high quality," said Schneider.

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Knights of Malta/NAR/dominionism connection

Postby Stillwatch on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:23 am

Came across this last night, which isn't the first time I've seen this sort of information.

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress ... onnection/
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Some Really Good Information

Postby Sparrow on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:09 pm

Thanks Stillwatch, for that most informative article and link!!

Wow....I can see the "connection" easily enough. These "prophets" will use a universal "bible" that lines up with Rome. Well, they have one with what is considered the "oldest" corrupt manuscript now becoming available online



The Significance of the Date of Todd Bentley’s commissioning:

What is significant about the date and Rick Joyner being one of the presiding “apostles” at Todd Bentley’s commissioning is that June 23 is the eve of the Feast Day of Saint John, the Knights of Malta’s feast day!

The Sovereign Military Order of Malta observes as its feast day Saint John’s Day, June 24th. It is not insignificant to note that Saint John’s Day is on the same date as Midsummer’s Day, the pagan holiday of Litha. It is a time when pagans worshipped the sun god through the summer solstice.

“Midsummer may simply refer to the period of time centered upon the summer solstice, but more often refers to specific European celebrations that accompany the actual solstice, or that take place on the 24th of June and the preceding evening. European midsummer-related holidays, traditions, and celebrations are pre-Christian in origin and have been superficially Christianised as celebrations of the Nativity of St. John the Baptist as “Saint John’s Eve” festivals.”

“Midsummer fires served as sun charms to keep up the heat. Midsummer Eve, however, afterwards nominated as John the Baptist’s Eve, was a great fire-day far and wide. Von Buch, the traveller, speaks of seeing custom observed within the Arctic Circle.An old writer about Ireland remarked–”A stranger would imagine the whole country was on fire.” Brand writes of the Vigil of St. John–”They make bonfires, run along the streets and fields with wisps of straw blazing on long poles, to purify the air which they think infectious by believing all the devils, spirits, ghosts, and hobgoblins abroad this night to hurt mankind.” One, writing in 1867 said–”The old pagan fire-worship still survives in Ireland though nominally in honour of St. John. On Sunday night bonfires were observed throughout nearly every county the province of Leinster.” As Easter Day was of old devoted to Astarte, the East goddess, so was St. John’s Day to Baal.”

The Feast of the Nativity of St. John is set down in the Papal calendar for the 24th of June, or Midsummer-day. The very same period was equally memorable in the Babylonian calendar as that of one of its most celebrated festivals. It was at Midsummer, or the summer solstice, that the month called in Chaldea, Syria, and Phoenicia by the name of “Tammuz” began; and on the first day–that is, on or about the 24th of June–one of the grand original festivals of Tammuz was celebrated.

For different reasons, in different countries, other periods had been devoted to commemorate the death and reviving of the Babylonian god; but this, as may be inferred from the name of the month, appears to have been the real time when his festival was primitively observed in the land where idolatry had its birth. And so strong was the hold that this festival, with its peculiar rites, had taken of the minds of men, that even when other days were devoted to the great events connected with the Babylonian Messiah, as was the case in some parts of our own land, this sacred season could not be allowed to pass without the due observance of some, at least, of its peculiar rites. When the Papacy sent its emissaries over Europe, towards the end of the sixth century, to gather in the Pagans into its fold, this festival was found in high favour in many countries. What was to be done with it? Were they to wage war with it? No. This would have been contrary to the famous advice of Pope Gregory I, that, by all means they should meet the Pagans half-way, and so bring them into the Roman Church. The Gregorian policy was carefully observed; and so Midsummer-day, that had been hallowed by Paganism to the worship of Tammuz, was incorporated as a sacred Christian festival in the Roman calendar.

But still a question was to be determined, What was to be the name of this Pagan festival, when it was baptised, and admitted into the ritual of Roman Christianity? To call it by its old name of Bel or Tammuz, at the early period when it seems to have been adopted, would have been too bold. To call it by the name of Christ was difficult, inasmuch as there was nothing special in His history at that period to commemorate. But the subtlety of the agents of the Mystery of Iniquity was not to be baffled. If the name of Christ could not be conveniently tacked to it, what should hinder its being called by the name of His forerunner, John the Baptist? John the Baptist was born six months before our Lord. When, therefore, the Pagan festival of the winter solstice had once been consecrated as the birthday of the Saviour, it followed, as a matter of course, that if His forerunner was to have a festival at all, his festival must be at this very season; for between the 24th of June and the 25th of December–that is, between the summer and the winter solstice–there are just six months. Now, for the purposes of the Papacy, nothing could be more opportune than this. One of the many sacred names by which Tammuz or Nimrod was called, when he reappeared in the Mysteries, after being slain, was Oannes.

In other words this particular day, June 23, the beginning of Saint John’s Day and Midsummer Day is an ancient pagan celebration to the god Baal or Tammuz and it is marked by FIRE. Is it a coincidence that Todd Bentley is always talking about the Fire, and that his ministry is called Fresh Fire?



David Cloud says this of Sinaiticus ---- [Notice the reference to occultism].

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/vaticanus ... ticus.html


THE SINAITICUS (ALEPH)

The Sinaiticus codex was discovered by Constantine Tischendorf at St. Catherine’s Monastery (Greek Orthodox) at Mt. Sinai. He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second in 1859. In May 1844, on his way to Mt. Sinai, Tischendorf stopped in Rome and had an audience with Pope Gregory XVI. Like Catholicism, the Greek Orthodox Church has a false gospel of grace plus works and sacraments and holds the unscriptural doctrine of venerating relics. St. Catherine’s Monastery has one entire room filled with skulls!
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The New Evangelization

Postby Sparrow on Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:14 am

New documentary to highlight 40 Days for Life pro-life campaign

Washington DC, Jul 24, 2008 / 05:01 am (CNA).- A new documentary about the 40 Days for Life campaign, which involves educational outreach, personal prayer and fasting, and prayer vigils at abortion clinics, is scheduled to air on Friday. The program, titled “beingHUMAN: 40 Days for Life II,” will interview volunteers, national leaders, and former abortionists.

The documentary, which was filmed by the award winning director David Bereit, is the second in the beingHuman series and will help launch the Fall 40 Days for Life campaign.

The campaign is scheduled to last from September 24 through November 2.
David Bereit, the national campaign director of 40 Days for Life, described the new documentary in a press release.

“It focuses on the stories and successes that prayer, fasting, and peaceful vigil have accomplished through 40 Days for Life campaigns that have now spread across the country and around the globe," said Bereit. "This show is a great opportunity to get people in communities across the nation involved in this initiative."

The first installment of the documentary, which was honored with a Telly Award, helped launch the first national 40 Days for Life campaign last year.

“It's an approach that has been successful in reducing abortion numbers and bringing more people into pro-life work,” Bereit said, adding that the campaign has had “significant responses” from communities interested in joining the campaign.

According to Bereit, the new installment of the documentary will air on EWTN on Friday at 6:30 pm Eastern Time.

The 40 Days for Life campaign site is located at http://www.40daysforlife.com/
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On the surface, this appears to be a good thing. Below I am copying/ pasting an email alert I recently sent out.







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Comment from UTT:



The "New Evangelization" implemented by Pope John Paul II has the major focus of winning the world to the Roman Catholic Jesus known as the Eucharisitic Christ. The Eucharistic Christ requires a Roman Catholic priest for the process of transubstantiation during each mass.



Therefore, when the term evangelization is used in the context of the "new evangelization" it is the same evangelization that has always been in place by the Roman Catholic church. In other words, nothing has changed.



Unfortunately, those who are bent on unity at any cost and not at the foot of the cross, either are ignorant of the Roman Catholic agenda, or they do not care and are willing to unify with Rome anyway. This means they would be willing to believe in transubstantiation - that bread and wine, actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ, as the Roman Catholic Church contends.



Although the Roman Catholic Church is now claiming the "new evangelization" program includes discussing human rights to bring about unity of the faith, this is merely a smokescreen. The real issue is that conversion to Roman Catholicism is what is intended.



June 26 - Conference to discuss promotion of human life and dignity in the 'New Evangelization'



Article: Roman Catholic Church And The Last Days



Washington DC, Jun 26, 2008 / 06:01 am (CNA).- Pro-life leaders will join physicians, ethicists and experts in family life and social justice issues for a July convocation in Camden, New Jersey to discuss new ways to promote human life and dignity.

A press release for the convocation, which is titled "Life, Justice & Family: Partners in the New Evangelization," says the meeting will "take up John Paul II's call for creativity and deeper unity in crafting a 'new evangelization' - new in ardor, methods and expression."

The three-day convocation, which is open to the public, will begin on July 28, 2008, the fortieth anniversary of Pope Paul VI's encyclical "Humanae Vitae."

Plenary sessions at the convocation, which is the first national gathering of its kind, will explore human rights, the environment, bioethics, family life, and the relationships between science, technology, and religion.

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Speakers include Bishop Joseph A. Galante of the Diocese of Camden, Bishop William E. Lori of the Diocese of Bridgeport, Helen Alvaré, J.D., associate professor at George Mason University School of Law, John Brehany, Ph.D., S.T.L., executive director of the Catholic Medical Association, and Fr. Tadeusz Pacholczyk, Ph.D., from the National Catholic Bioethics Center.

Carl A. Anderson, Supreme Knight of the Knights of Columbus, will also speak at the conference.

Prayer will be integrated throughout the convocation, with Masses celebrated by Cardinal Justin Regali, Archbishop of Philadelphia and chairman of the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Pro-life Activities and Bishop Joseph Galante of Camden, among others.

The convocation is co-sponsored by the Knights of Columbus, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, the Diocese of Camden, and the USCCB Pro-Life Secretariat.

Registration information is available at www.usccb.org/prolife.



Pastor Ralph Ovadal of Pilgrim's Covenant Church in Monroe, Wisconsin has led the battle against abortion with the pro-life movement from the beginning. In his book, "More than These", he cites firsthand incidents he witnessed that indicates the pro-life movement is to be used to bring ecumenism and Protestants back to to Mother Church [the RCC].


http://www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.htm



The Knights of Columbus is a powerful international organization to bring about the "New Evangelization". Notice in this next article, their meeting just prior to the July 28 meeting mentioned in Roger Oakland's article above......
http://www.kofc.org/un/eb/en/news/relea ... 47766.html









Knights Co-Sponsor Pro-Life Conference in New Jersey July 25-27



7/16/2008






Supreme Chaplain William Lori and Supreme Knight Carl A. Anderson will be part of a distinguished lineup of speakers on issues of family, social justice and the right to life at a three-day conference entitled “Life, Justice and Family: Partners in the New Evangelization.”

The conference is co-sponsored by the Knights of Columbus and the USCCB Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, and will take place July 25-27. It is being held at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Cherry Hill, N.J., a short drive from Philadelphia and northern Delaware.

Knights throughout eastern Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey and northern Delaware are encouraged to attend.

In addition to delivering the conference keynote address on Sunday, the Supreme Knight will also autograph copies of his bestselling book, A Civilization of Love, on Sunday, July 27, from 7:30 a.m. to 9 a.m.

Conference brochure and registration materials

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Unless you think the K of C are an "innocuous bunch of do-gooders", you may want to read the following link and the powerful connections they have at their disposal.



http://www.spirituallysmart.com/blue_mass.html









Then in August, we have Joel's Army coming of age called the Elijah Revolution.....


http://watch.pair.com/elijah.html



They are taking their message to the streets of Washington, D.C. on August 16, 2008.





http://www.thecall.com/Groups/1000000220/TheCall.aspx





Their mandate to build God's "kingdom on earth", fits well into the Roman Catholic ideology of building "God's kingdom on earth."







The previous email I sent out concerning the results of the Madrid Interfaith Conference and the establishement of a Religious council at the U.N. to put down any form of extremism gives legs to this false belief of Dominionism.









Just for your information and consideration.......
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HISTORY ENSHRINED

Postby Sparrow on Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:59 pm

History enshrined
New church at La Crosse’s Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe celebrates 16th-century apparition of Virgin Mary to Juan Diego
By TOM HEINEN
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Posted: July 26, 2008

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=776736

La Crosse - High above the marble floor of the new Shrine Church, painted stars glisten against the turquoise interior of a soaring dome.

Michael Swinghamer, shrine project architect and a partner in River Architects of La Crosse, worked with architect Duncan Stroik of South Bend, Ind., on the Shrine Church design. For more photos, go to http://www.stroik%20architect.com/portfolio
The Shrine Complex Includes:
A Spanish mission-style visitors center and restaurant
A votive chapel with stained-glass windows depicting Marian apparitions and a large, pyramidal assemblage of blue-glass lamps.
A paved, half-mile pilgrims' path leading up the bluff to the church.
Outdoor Stations of the Cross with bronze figures.
A Rosary Walk where mysteries of the rosary are depicted in blue tiles set in stone walls.
Statuary in outdoor devotional areas.
A partially completed residence for the Franciscan friars who arrived two weeks ago to tend to pilgrims' pastoral needs and to the new church.

More is under way or planned.
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If you go: The Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe is at 5250 Justin Road, off Highway 14/61, in La Crosse. Tickets are no longer available for many of the dedication activities, but several events remain open to the public. See http://www.guadalupe%20shrine.org.
Media coverage: Relevant Radio and EWTN will broadcast from the shrine.


Richly symbolic, they tell the story at the heart of a 103-acre site that is expected to draw cardinals, clergy, religious and crowds of everyday Catholics to the wooded bluffs of western Wisconsin this week.

The stars are said to be patterned after the night sky near Mexico City in 1531, when the Blessed Virgin Mary is believed to have shown herself to Juan Diego as an apparition now known as Our Lady of Guadalupe.

The turquoise is the same as that of Mary's star-adorned mantle in the image that is believed to have miraculously appeared on the Aztec Indian's cloak as a sign to the Spanish bishop that she had, indeed, told Juan Diego that a church should be built where she had spoken to him.

Those are subtle features within a more complex church that will be dedicated Thursday - the sixth anniversary of Juan Diego's canonization - as the principal structure at the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the southern edge of La Crosse.

Described by shrine project architect Michael Swinghamer as having a 17th-century Italianate Renaissance design, it includes a tower with a 25-bell carillon and a plaza with a duplicate of the bronze statue of Juan Diego at the Basilica of Guadalupe in Mexico. The church interior, which seats 450, has artwork, a 54-rank organ, Italian marble and a vibrant mosaic of Our Lady of Guadalupe behind a towering, marble-columned canopy over the main altar.

It radiates traditional devotion.
Project began in 1999

St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke, who started the movement to build the shrine when he was bishop of the La Crosse Diocese, will return for the church dedication and some related activities during seven days of celebration, which begin Monday. Pope Benedict XVI recently named Burke to head the Vatican's equivalent of a supreme court.

Burke sparked discussion in the diocese when he announced plans in December 1999 to create a multimillion-dollar shrine to Our Lady of Guadalupe, a manifestation of the Virgin Mary that many Hispanics revere. Although La Crosse has no large concentration of Hispanics, Burke noted that Pope John Paul II had declared her the Mother of the Americas.

"Because of the loss of hope in our time and the immensity of the moral difficulties which we face, there is a great desire for a place of pilgrimage in which faith and hope can be renewed," Burke said at the time.

Some people supported his vision. Some questioned the need for another shrine in the Midwest or said that the fund raising for the shrine could be put to better uses, such as helping the poor.

But donations flowed, and development started several years ago.

The shrine is tranquil and evocative on a bright summer's day, with planted flowers near buildings, wildflowers and prairie plants growing on the slopes along the start of the pilgrims' path, and shaded, wooded walks among the outdoor artworks higher up.

"It's really amazing to have something like that in our own part of the country," said visitor Carol Ewan, 64, of Medford, who did not realize last week that portions of the shrine were closed until the dedication activities. "I wish the whole thing was open so we could see more, but we'll have to come back. In this world of everything being so hustley-bustley, this is just a peaceful place."

Linda Miller, 58, of McGregor, Iowa, had a similar reaction.

"What we could see, I was in awe," she said. "It's very inspirational."
Earthly impact for La Crosse

Sister Christa Marie, the shrine's executive director, has not released the cost of creating that environment. However, the shrine's federal Form 990, which tax-exempt organizations must file annually, reported buildings, equipment and land worth about $25.5 million at the end of 2006, which was about $7.6 million more than at the start of the year. Shrine officials previously said that 80 acres of the site were donated by the family of a local diocesan priest.

It also is expected to have a more earthly impact on the La Crosse area.

Dave Clements, executive director of the La Crosse Area Convention and Visitors Bureau, thinks the shrine had more than 50,000 visitors last year, should get 75,000 to 100,000 visitors this year and could top 200,000 visitors in 2010.

"I think by the end of 2010, we'll be seeing $6 (million) to $8 million in annual economic impact, but it could skyrocket and top $8 (million) to $10 million," said Clements, projecting the dollars spent by pilgrims at restaurants, hotels, Mississippi River cruise boats and other businesses.

In the Town of Erin in Washington County, the Basilica of the National Shrine of Mary, Help of Christians, draws more than 250,000 visitors a year, said Father Cyril Guise, a Holy Hill spokesman.

"I think the new shrine out there in La Crosse and our shrine will complement one another, especially for tours," Guise said.
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Protectress of the Unborn

Postby Sparrow on Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:45 am

http://www.sancta.org/patr-unb.html


My last two posts are actually related. Our Lady of Guadalupe is considered the Protectress of the Unborn

She is known as the Patroness of the Americas, and will play a HUGE part in the New Evangelization that will prepare the world for the anti-christ.

http://www.sancta.org/table.html
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Postby Rich Kelley on Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:09 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:
"When you attend the Latin Mass, there's no doubt that there's something holy and special going on," she said.


lol ....just another version of a "feel-good" church. The mass is the mass is the mass no matter what language they use.

This return to latin is just another way of putting further distance between the heirarchy and the laity since it's rare the average catholic knows this language today. We had to learn latin when I was in high school, so we had knowledge of what was being said, but today I doubt catholics even care what's being said as long as it "feels" holy.


I mentioned this return to Latin on another forum and they (The RCC believers) are all over the place. I started the thread, and asked how speaking in Latin would fit with Paul's direction when some one was speaking in an unknown tongue. I stated that for the most part none would understand it so some one would have to translate. Long story short, they don't think what Paul said applies. Latin is a Holy Language. Etc. Etc. Etc. Amazing the garbage you see out there.
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Re: Re:

Postby Abiding in His Word on Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:48 pm

Rich Kelley wrote:I mentioned this return to Latin on another forum and they (The RCC believers) are all over the place. I started the thread, and asked how speaking in Latin would fit with Paul's direction when some one was speaking in an unknown tongue. I stated that for the most part none would understand it so some one would have to translate. Long story short, they don't think what Paul said applies. Latin is a Holy Language. Etc. Etc. Etc. Amazing the garbage you see out there.


That was pretty brave of you, Rich! At least when I went to school, we had to learn Latin, so we were aware of what was being said at the mass. But I don't think it's mandatory today. But after even after being away from the catholic church for 40 yrs., I can still remember the "holy" feeling the latin mass provided. It's uncanny. I almost think it would be easier for a Jew to convert than a catholic.

As an example of just how ingrained some of the catholic practices are.....about a year ago, I heard an ambulance siren going down the street, and automatically made the sign of the cross.... :bag:

I was so embarassed.... wherever did that come from after all these years???
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Postby SueAnn on Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:11 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:
Rich Kelley wrote:
As an example of just how ingrained some of the catholic practices are.....about a year ago, I heard an ambulance siren going down the street, and automatically made the sign of the cross.... :bag:

I was so embarassed.... wherever did that come from after all these years???


Well, Miss Abiding, after watching you spend hour after hour in this forum selflessly helping other people and taking care of the forum administration itself , my guess is that your automatic response to an ambulance siren stems from your deep and "abiding" love of the Lord, and His people. And five will get you ten that God smiled affectionately at your compassion for the person in that ambulance.
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
َأُبَارِكُ مُبَارِكِيكَ وَأَلْعَنُ لاعِنِيكَ، وَتَتَبَارَكُ فِيكَ جَمِيعُ أُمَمِ الأَرْضِ »
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Postby Abiding in His Word on Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:39 pm

SueAnn wrote:Well, Miss Abiding, after watching you spend hour after hour in this forum selflessly helping other people and taking care of the forum administration itself , my guess is that your automatic response to an ambulance siren stems from your deep and "abiding" love of the Lord, and His people. And five will get you ten that God smiled affectionately at your compassion for the person in that ambulance.


Well, Miss SueAnn....are you aware of your precious gift for taking nearly any questionable, embarassing, and borderline post and seeing the positive in it? And are you aware of your unique ability to see even the most minuscule piece of coal and make it appear as a shiny diamond? Do you know how rare those traits are and how very much they are appreciated?

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Re: Re:

Postby burien1 on Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:47 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:
SueAnn wrote:Well, Miss Abiding, after watching you spend hour after hour in this forum selflessly helping other people and taking care of the forum administration itself , my guess is that your automatic response to an ambulance siren stems from your deep and "abiding" love of the Lord, and His people. And five will get you ten that God smiled affectionately at your compassion for the person in that ambulance.


Well, Miss SueAnn....are you aware of your precious gift for taking nearly any questionable, embarassing, and borderline post and seeing the positive in it? And are you aware of your unique ability to see even the most minuscule piece of coal and make it appear as a shiny diamond? Do you know how rare those traits are and how very much they are appreciated?

:hugs:


:a3:Very much appreciated!!!
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby SueAnn on Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:42 pm

Abiding and burien,

The beauty of your kind words brought tears to my eyes. Thank you so very much.

But in all honesty I must make you aware of 2 important things. First, I have posted many times and deeply regretted my words, wishing I could take my words back. I do this in real life, too. At the end of a day, sometimes I am at peace with how I treated people that day. Sometimes I end the day wondering why God puts up with me.

But the most important thing is that I know that when my words/attitudes reflect the enormous capacity for love that is God/Jesus/Holy Spirit, those are the days that I am walking in the spirit. When left to my own devices, i.e. when I choose to do it "my way"...those are the days that I kick myself for afterwards.

I grew up in a very bad situation, the details of which are irrelevant now. I was surrounded and pummeled with "ugly" everyday. A child in that environment will almost always grow up seeing/expecting/creating "ugly". And believe me, I was no exception. When I found the Lord, I was introduced to a beauty that was overwhelmingly life changing. I begged the Lord to change my perspective, to teach me to see His beauty in everyday life. Big things, small things. Please, teach me to see Your "beauty".

And God is faithful. And generous. When we ask for things that He wants us to have anyway, He will pour it on in great abundance. The words "joy unspeakable" and "My cup runneth over" come to mind.

are you aware of your precious gift for taking nearly any questionable, embarassing, and borderline post and seeing the positive in it? And are you aware of your unique ability to see even the most minuscule piece of coal and make it appear as a shiny diamond?


Abiding, if my response to a posting shows my ability to focus on the "beauty" of a situation (as I saw the beauty in your compassion to the person in the ambulance, rather than any need for you to be "embarassed" at your Roman Catholic training causing you to make the sign of the cross) please believe that it is God helping me to see life painted with His paintbrush.

I guess the bottom line is this. God wants 3 basic things from us.
1.) love God
2.) love His Son, and appreciate what He did for our sake.
3.) love each other.

The best way we can show God how much we love him is to accept His gift of salvation and take good care of one another whenever the opportunity arises.

The gift He has given me is the ability to recognize "love", and the strength to share what I see with the people that created the "love". Abiding, that's what happened when I read your post.

But it's all God's doing. I promise you.
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby burien1 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:41 pm

SueAnn,

It`s refreshing to find someone who let`s the Light of Jesus Christ shine through them. So many are allowing satan to work through them instead. :blessyou: You are a great example to all of us.

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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Mrs. B on Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:12 pm

AMEN to all the above......

I'm so glad I am in this Glorious Place....

I to went to a Catholic Girls School....Bllessed Sacrament Acadmey for eight years...

and taught that the Catholic Church was the Only True Church....

My mon took me to a Church of Christ Church......

Each claming to be the Only Way....and each the True Church...

I can remember....Praying and saying...Lord Jesus show me the True Church and I will Join it...

I went from Catholie, Church of Christ, Baptist, Christian Church...and Penticost...this was
my journey for seek The Truth.......always Seeking Truth...

Not by Might nor by Power....But by My Spirit saith the Lord...


I Praise the Lord because He Looks at our Hearts.....as we seek Truth if we follow Him...He will lead us and
guide us to Him...The Truth.

It is now the Church that Saves us.....It is Faith in Jesus and what He Has done for us....We are the Church...

this changes every thing........

No matter how dark in error we are or how deep in sin......If we Call on Him.....He will come and save us....

If people are in error and stay there....it is because they love error.....But If they Hunger and Thirst after righteouss
and seek Truth....They will find it......Jesus will Show them the way...

The Old Babylon Religious System....the Catholic Church of today......is the Mystery of Babylon The Great, The MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH....Our Protestent Churches are the Daughters....we brought all her ugly ways with us.....

Rev.18:4....And I heard another voice from heaven, saying.....COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE.....That ye be Not partakers of Her Sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.....

5....For her sins have reached unto Heaven, and God hath Remembered Her Iniquities.....

Jesus is the Head of the Church....Not Man
He had give us the Holy Spirit that leads us into all Truth...
We must Walk in that Truth....to be pleasing to Him.

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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Abiding in His Word on Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:47 pm

Mrs. B wrote:Not by Might nor by Power....But by My Spirit saith the Lord...

I Praise the Lord because He Looks at our Hearts.....as we seek Truth if we follow Him...He will lead us and
guide us to Him...The Truth.


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Thanks for sharing your journey to the truth, Mrs. B!
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby David L on Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:48 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_ ... tican_jews

JERUSALEM – Israel's chief rabbinate severed ties with the Vatican on Wednesday to protest a papal decision to reinstate a bishop who publicly denied 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust.
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Joe17 on Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:12 pm

Wow, some who claim to follow the bible need to read it....especially the part about loving your neighbor as yourself....it didn't say love everyone except catholic, budists, muslims, etc....

Your heart needs to be filled with love for everyone especially those who you believe to be your enemies.
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Abiding in His Word on Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:53 pm

:wavewelcome: to the board Joe17! Happy to have you with us.

These threads are appropriately started in the Apostasy Watch forum to expose false teachers and teachings. I think you'll find that most members point to the teachings that directly contradict scripture. Many members also have friends and family members who are Catholics, so they would never consider them enemies, but at the same time don't turn a blind eye toward false teachings and traditions.

I hope that helps explain the purpose of the Apostasy Watch forum a bit.

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned....2Peter 2:1-2
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Joe17 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:38 pm

False teaching are one think, but people are passing off half truths or complete falsehoods as facts is another...so who's spreading falsehoods now?

The main one that makes me most sick is about the Mother of God.
Catholic do NOT worship Mary. Period...period...period....we ask her to intercede for us, we ask her to ask Her Son on our behalf.

Just as you likely did growing up when you wanted something and you asked your father and he said no, you went to your mother and asked her to ask him for you in the hopes he'd change his mind for her. Same thing.

Thank you for the warm welcome!

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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Abiding in His Word on Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:00 pm

Hi again Joe17,

I responded to your example here
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby ruotsher on Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:50 am

Joe17 wrote:The main one that makes me most sick is about the Mother of God.
Catholic do NOT worship Mary. Period...period...period....we ask her to intercede for us, we ask her to ask Her Son on our behalf.

:)



Hi Joe.....I have a question. We often hear "A picture speaks a thousand words".......perhaps some of these pictures just one reason why non-catholics are rather insistent that Catholics DO in fact worship Mary, despite all their claims to the contrary.

Would you like to see some that I am talking about?
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby plalgum on Wed May 13, 2009 5:50 am

Asking Mary Mother of our Lord to intercede is tantamount to saying that Christs judgment is flawed and that his work on the cross is meaningless,"Come out of Babylon my Children". says the Lord God.It is a cozy thought, Mary asking our Lord to go easy on us,but she will have to be talking in her sleep. :hugs:
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby WOODHENOT3 on Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:57 pm

Most Catholics do worship Mary....I was once Catholic....they always pray the "Hail Mary" in church... why?
I hate the religion and always did and my birth family and relatives are Catholics which I am
hated by because I am a Christian....my own father hangs up the phone on me when I try sharing scriptures with him...
they do not know what love is.....they have not visited my family and I for 14 years and not seen their own grand children
because we are Christians, the religion is nothing but paganism, deception and darkness.....I have been witnessing a lot of Catholics lately, you always hear abt the good "works" to salvation...
Religion was the main cause of Jesus death, just like the pharisees....
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby ruotsher on Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:21 pm

WOODHENOT3 wrote:Most Catholics do worship Mary....I was once Catholic....they always pray the "Hail Mary" in church... why?
I hate the religion and always did and my birth family and relatives are Catholics which I am
hated by because I am a Christian....my own father hangs up the phone on me when I try sharing scriptures with him...
they do not know what love is.....they have not visited my family and I for 14 years and not seen their own grand children
because we are Christians, the religion is nothing but paganism, deception and darkness.....I have been witnessing a lot of Catholics lately, you always hear abt the good "works" to salvation...
Religion was the main cause of Jesus death, just like the pharisees....

yes, it's always so startling when the revelation first hits you, then (for many) it becomes a mission to show the truth to others....and most of the time, those others don't want to hear it...It gets really difficult.
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Shaka on Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:58 pm

Second Vatican state to be established in Jerusalem
This is a policy proposal from “Jerusalem Old City Initiative”. The proposal is a fruit of the “peace process”, and inter faith dialogues between Jews, Muslims, Catholics and claimed to be “Christians”.

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/07/ ... jerusalem/

People are not aware that the planning of a the seat of the last antichrist has reached its final stages. This work got a booster after the implementation of the Oslo “peace accord”.

The final push for the end game, started with the formation of The Council of the Religious Institutions of the Holy Land in 2005. This council has Muslims, Jews, Catholics and claimed to be “Christians” in its governing body.

The Council of the Religious Institutions
http://www.crihl.org/
The Jerusalem Old City Initiative
http://web2.uwindsor.ca/wsgcms/Projects ... dexTpl.php
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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Mrs. B on Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:00 am

The Roman Catholic Church.....



For you that can understand.......this is what Paul wrote to the Galatians.....


Galatians 4:22....For it is written, that Abraham had two sons...
the one by a bondmaid...
the other by a freewoman...

23...But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh.....
but he of the Freewoman was....BY PROMISE..


24....Which things are an allegory:
for these are the two Covenants;
the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage...which is Agar.

25...For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia,
and answereth (or, is in the same rank with) Jerusalem Which Now Is...
and is in bondage with her children...

26...BUT...JERUSALEM WHICH IS ABOVE IS FREE....which is the mother of us all....

27....For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not;
breakforth and cry, thou that travailest not:
for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband...

28...NOW WE, BRETHREN, AS ISAAC WAS, ARE THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE...

29...But as then....he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the SPIRIT, EVEN SO IT IS NOW....

30...NEVERTHELESS WHAT SAITH THE SCRIPTURE?
CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON:
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN...

31...SO THEN, BRETHREN , WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN...BUT OF THE fREE.....

Jesus has set us Free.....We are the Promise seed of the Father....through Jesus the Christ the Only Son of God....
We are Now Born Again.....Born of the Holy Spirit.....
Jesus said...Except a man is Born Again he cannot See the Kingdom of God....
We have been translated into the Invisable Kingdom of God.....The Church


One of My Husbands Favorite scripture is...
Hebrews 12:22....But ye are come unto Mount Sion,
and unto the City of the Living God,
the Heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an Innumerable Company of Angels,
23...To the General Assembly and Church of the Firstborn,
Which are written in Heaven, and to God the Judge of All,
and to the Spirits of Just Men Made Perfect,
14...And to Jesus the Mediator of the New Covenant,
and to the Blood of Sprinkling, that Speaketh Better things than that of Abel..
25...See that ye Refuse Not Him that Speaketh.
For if they escaped Not who refused Him that Spake on Earth,

Much More shall Not We Escape, If we Turn Away from Him that Speaketh from Heaven:
26.....Whose Voice then Shook the Earth:
BUT....Now He hath Promised.....Saying,
YET ONCE MORE I SHAKE NOT THE EARTH ONLY....BUT ALSO HEAVEN..

27....And this Word.....Yet Once More Signifieth the Removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made,
that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28...WHEREFORE we Receiving a KINGDOM WHICH CANNOT BE MOVED.
LET US HAVE GRACE.....Whereby we may Serve God Acceptably
with Reverence and Godly Fear:
29...For Our God is a Consuming Fire....

13:1....Let Brotherly Love Continue.....



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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby DutchLady on Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:25 pm

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Re: The Roman Catholic Church

Postby Mrs. B on Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:43 am

The Roman Catholic Church.....


II Corin 6:14.....Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelieverers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness>?
and what communion hath light with darkness>?

15....And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
or what part hath he that believeth with An Infidel?


16.....And what agreement hath The Temple of God with idols?

For ye are the Temple of the Living God;
as God hath said...I Will Dwell IN THEM, and walk in them;
and I will be their God, and they shall be MY People.

17....Wherefore Come Out From Among Them,
and be ye Separate, saith the Lord, and Touch Not the Unclean thing;
and I will Receive you,
18...And Will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My Sons and Daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


7:1....HAVING therefore these Promises, Dearly Beloved, Let Us Cleanse Ourselves from all filthiness of the Flesh and Spirit,
Perfecting Holiness in the Fear of God......



Rev. 18:4...And I heard another Voice from Heaven, Saying
COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not Partakers of Her sins...and that ye receive Not of Her plagues....


Rev.17:5....And upon her forehead was a name Written,
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.....


Jesus is calling us out from among All False Teachings and Believings..
The mother of harlots.......who are the harlots?
who came out from catholisim?....Luther, and so on
God is calling His People out from all false Religion and False Beliefs...
He is Caling Us Out.....Come and and be ye Saperate.....
This applies to all false teaching and beliefs

This is not easy....but He has promised us He Would Never Leave Us nor Forsake us...
and I know that you can take that to the bank.....He is Faithful
And He will always be there.....He will NEVER Forsake you...Look to Him...He is Able...He is the ALL Sufficient One.....

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