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Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby Ready1 on Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:24 pm

Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna
Published: Monday, April 20, 2015 12:00 PM
By David Singer: an Australian lawyer who is active in Zionist community...


Growing support for - and pledges of allegiance to - Islamic State by diverse Islamic terrorist groups world-wide are now creating horrific humanitarian problems for Christian communities in many countries – some far removed from the Middle East.

30 such groups have so far been identified:

al-I'tisam of the Quran and Sunnah [Sudan] -- Aug. 1, 2014 -- Support
Abu Sayyaf Group [Philippines] -- June 25, 2014 -- Support
Ansar al-Khilafah [Philippines] -- Aug. 4, 2014 -- Allegiance
Ansar al-Tawhid in India [India] -- Oct. 4, 2014 -- Allegiance
Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) [Phillipines] -- Aug. 13, 2014 -- Support
Bangsmoro Justice Movement (BJM) [Phillipines] -- Sept. 11, 2014 -- Support
al-Huda Battalion in Maghreb of Islam [Algeria] -- June 30, 2014 -- Allegiance
Heroes of Islam Brigade in Khorasan [Afghanistan] -- Sept. 30, 2014 -- Allegiance
The Soldiers of the Caliphate in Algeria [Algeria] -- 30 Sep. 2014 -- Allegiance
Jundullah [Pakistan] -- Nov. 17, 2014 -- Support
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) [Pakistan] Statement -- Sept. 24, dated Sept. 12, 2014 -- Support
Islamic Youth Shura Council [Libya] -- June 22, 2014 -- Support
Jaish al-Sahabah in the Levant [Syria] -- July 1, 2014 -- Allegiance
Faction of Katibat al-Imam Bukhari [Syria] -- Oct. 29, 2014 - Allegiance
Jamaat Ansar Bait al-Maqdis [Egypt] -- June 30, 2014 -- Allegiance
Jund al-Khilafah in Egypt [Egypt] -- Sept. 23, 2014 -- Allegiance
Liwa Ahrar al-Sunna in Baalbek [Lebanon] -- June 30, 2014 -- Allegiance
Islamic State Libya (Darnah) [Libya] -- Nov. 9, 2014 -- Allegiance
Shura Council of Shabab al-Islam Darnah [Libya] -- Oct. 6, 2014 -- Allegiance
Mujahedeen Indonesia Timor (MIT) [Indonesia] -- July 1, 2014 -- Allegiance
Mujahedeen Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem (MSCJ) [Egypt] -- Oct. 1, 2014 -- Support
Tehreek-e-Khilafat [Pakistan] -- July 9, 2014 -- Allegiance
Okba Ibn Nafaa Battalion [Tunisia] -- Sept. 20 2014 -- Support
Mujahedeen of Yemen [Yemen] -- Nov. 10, 2014 -- Allegiance
Supporters for the Islamic State in Yemen [Yemen] -- Sept. 4, 2014 -- Allegiance
al-Tawheed Brigade in Khorasan [Afghanistan] -- Sept. 23, 2014 -- Allegiance
Supporters of the Islamic State in the Land of the Two Holy Mosques [Saudi Arabia] -- Dec. 2, 2014 -- Support
Ansar al-Islam [Iraq] -- Jan. 8, 2015 -- Allegiance
Leaders of the Mujahed in Khorasan (10 former TTP commanders) [Pakistan] -- Jan. 10, 2015 -- Allegiance
Boko Haram [Nigeria] -- March 7, 2015 -- Allegiance

71 Chadian soldiers have reportedly been killed and 416 wounded in less than three months of fighting to crush Boko Haram. Chad has sent about 5,000 troops to fight alongside soldiers from Nigeria, Niger and Cameroon against Boko Haram whose Nigeria-based insurgency has increasingly spilled-over into neighbouring nations.

Some 13,000 Nigerians have been killed and 1.5 million have fled their homes since 2009.

Other Islamic terrorist groups can be expected to join their ranks.

President Obama’s pledge to degrade and destroy Islamic State heading an international coalition of 62 like-minded nations - is looking increasingly ineffectual as Islamic State rapidly morphs into a global Gehenna.

President Obama declared on 23 September 2013:

“The United States will continue to work with the entire continent of Africa and around the world to make sure that we are dismantling these networks of destruction.”


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/16809#.VTWJepOgy0w

'Tis amazing how fast this has all pulled together.
Just observing.

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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby Straightshot on Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:16 pm

Ready1

Radical Islam is doing just that and extending its reach as we speak ... a threat to the entire world and specifically against Israel

The core of this Muslim behavior is in the Middle East which will form the 7th kingdom of Satan's beast of Revelation ... this beast will fully possess the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby kirthril on Wed May 27, 2015 8:57 am

The beast has sunk its claws into many nations of the earth. The day is coming will it will begin to trample down the whole earth, crushing the nations beneath its feet. Remember, the beast will attack the strongest fortresses on earth and wear down the saints. Yes it will be a global Gehenna.
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby Straightshot on Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:24 pm

The current setting in the Middle East will develop into the confederation of the human little horn of Daniel's visions [same as Satan's beast of Revelation] as the Islamic state of Iraq extends it grip in the direction of Israel

At the same time this radical Muslim Caliphate will threaten all nations and will cause much destruction across the earth during the coming tribulation period
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby lepter on Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:18 pm

kirthril wrote:The beast has sunk its claws into many nations of the earth. The day is coming will it will begin to trample down the whole earth, crushing the nations beneath its feet. Remember, the beast will attack the strongest fortresses on earth and wear down the saints. Yes it will be a global Gehenna.

Is the islamic religion now the current view over the EU as identified as the beast? I wonder if the pale green horse is the islamic side.
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby Exit40 on Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:20 am

Yes, somewhat global in the attempt, but for now Europe is the target. Consider the refugees are being called an invasion, islamic forces never before could defeat the Christian armies of the West despite a number of tries, and the costs of taking in so many people is staggering Europe causing many problems. Check this out when considering the aforementioned...

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

And who is it that seems to be controlling the refugee flow again ?????

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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby GodsStudent on Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:45 am

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

And who is it that seems to be controlling the refugee flow again ?????


...and most certainly related: Angela Merkel of Germany........

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/europe/ge ... ee-policy/

(CNN) — German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday described recent attacks in the country and across Europe as "shocking, depressing and terrifying," but she refused to back down from an open-door refugee policy that has attracted fierce criticism following recent assaults in the country.

:wink: Isn't it interesting and telling how the headlines and the scriptures seem to line up?
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby lepter on Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:16 am

Exit40 wrote:Yes, somewhat global in the attempt, but for now Europe is the target. Consider the refugees are being called an invasion, islamic forces never before could defeat the Christian armies of the West despite a number of tries, and the costs of taking in so many people is staggering Europe causing many problems. Check this out when considering the aforementioned...

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

And who is it that seems to be controlling the refugee flow again ?????

God Bless

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Thing is that scripture us universally accepted as describing the events of antiochus epiphanes. That scripture has already been fulfilled in history. Even the following verses 36 to 45 usually used to describe the anichrist could be seen as fulfilled by herod. Only chapter 12 hasn't happened yet as it talks about the resurrection. Plucking out a verse from a passage to back up a interpretation is ok as long as the surrounding texts match the same interpretation. Would you say they do?
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby Exit40 on Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:23 am

lepter wrote:
Exit40 wrote:Yes, somewhat global in the attempt, but for now Europe is the target. Consider the refugees are being called an invasion, islamic forces never before could defeat the Christian armies of the West despite a number of tries, and the costs of taking in so many people is staggering Europe causing many problems. Check this out when considering the aforementioned...

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

And who is it that seems to be controlling the refugee flow again ?????

God Bless

David

Thing is that scripture us universally accepted as describing the events of antiochus epiphanes. That scripture has already been fulfilled in history. Even the following verses 36 to 45 usually used to describe the anichrist could be seen as fulfilled by herod. Only chapter 12 hasn't happened yet as it talks about the resurrection. Plucking out a verse from a passage to back up a interpretation is ok as long as the surrounding texts match the same interpretation. Would you say they do?


Would you say they don't ? RRE theory was universally accepted as the only possibility for the longest time, now the islamic paradigm is almost universally at least recognized. It's not a matter of private interpretation either. It is a matter of is this happening or not. And if it is can we see it then ? Key words from my quote : check this out, and : when considering, and : seems. So this begs the question asked so many times about other Scripture, is dual or more fulfillment a possibility here ? In this day and age it seems we should at least be open to taking a better look at things, don't you think ?

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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby lepter on Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:13 am

Exit40 wrote:
lepter wrote:
Exit40 wrote:Yes, somewhat global in the attempt, but for now Europe is the target. Consider the refugees are being called an invasion, islamic forces never before could defeat the Christian armies of the West despite a number of tries, and the costs of taking in so many people is staggering Europe causing many problems. Check this out when considering the aforementioned...

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

And who is it that seems to be controlling the refugee flow again ?????

God Bless

David

Thing is that scripture us universally accepted as describing the events of antiochus epiphanes. That scripture has already been fulfilled in history. Even the following verses 36 to 45 usually used to describe the anichrist could be seen as fulfilled by herod. Only chapter 12 hasn't happened yet as it talks about the resurrection. Plucking out a verse from a passage to back up a interpretation is ok as long as the surrounding texts match the same interpretation. Would you say they do?


Would you say they don't ? RRE theory was universally accepted as the only possibility for the longest time, now the islamic paradigm is almost universally at least recognized. It's not a matter of private interpretation either. It is a matter of is this happening or not. And if it is can we see it then ? Key words from my quote : check this out, and : when considering, and : seems. So this begs the question asked so many times about other Scripture, is dual or more fulfillment a possibility here ? In this day and age it seems we should at least be open to taking a better look at things, don't you think ?

God Bless You

David


Hi david.
I get what your saying. Dual fulfilment is possible and using current events to describe prophecy can be risky.
In the end we only have our interpretation to have. But there must be one true interpretation and I could pluck any passage to back up a viewpoint. There has to be some baseline to judge things by. I am asking does the surrounding passages to the Daniel 11:24 back up the interpretation? Did antiochus fulfil that part of Daniel 11? If he did....should we be using it to shoehorn a different interpretation? We can make anything say anything if we pick and mix scripture. Time will tell. I love these debates. No one can say they have it all right and we need to be open to new ideas....me included.
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby kirthril on Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:37 am

Is the islamic religion now the current view over the EU as identified as the beast? I wonder if the pale green horse is the islamic side.

No, among mainstream Christianity, its still EU/UN. However Lepter, since you have inquired I will give a brief history of where the EU/RRE theory came from:

1. Up until the protestant reformation Christians nearly universally believed in a middle eastern AC (because that's exactly what Daniel mentions in more than one chapter.)

2. The early protestants, in their hatred of the catholic and orthodox churches shifted prophecy in order to make catholic Europe and Orthodox eastern Europe/Russia the enemy.

3. Since that time, the 1300-1400's, protestants have continued with this old hatred without realizing it.

This is the reason why Catholic Europe is the Revived Roman Empire and Orthodox Russia is Magog. When the AC empire and Magog are destroyed, bye bye Catholicism and orthodoxy. Protestants remain and stand tall the victor.

Its evil. Absolute Evil. Everytime we state that catholic Europe is the the AC beast, or Russia is magog we are stating that God is going to destroy 2 of his original churches. That's just not going to happen.

There has to be some baseline to judge things by. I am asking does the surrounding passages to the Daniel 11:24 back up the interpretation? Did antiochus fulfil that part of Daniel 11? If he did....should we be using it to shoehorn a different interpretation?

The popular belief is that Antiochus epiphanies fulfilled Daniel 11:21-39

But this is not true. He did SOME of those things but not everything. If you pay close attention you will see that the man of 21-39 invades Israel DURING a war with Egypt and Libya + Cush surrender to him. Antiochus, as far as I can tell, was NOT at war with Egypt nor did Libya and Cush have anything to do with his invasion of Israel. Israel was invaded to put down the Maccabean revolt and ONLY Israel was invaded. Daniel states that Israel, Egypt, and several others are invaded (depending on how far you think the "beautiful land" stretches)

Also, Daniel 11 states that the AOD is commited upon RETURNING to his own nation. The AOD is not in Jerusalem as is popularly taught. Israel isn't even mentioned in Daniel 11 until vs 41 when it is finally invaded. The AOD takes place way back in vs 31.

Antiochus invaded Israel BEFORE committing a AOD, but Daniel states that the AC invades Israel AFTER committing the AOD.
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The next thing one must understand about Daniel 11 is that from vs 21-45 there is NO MORE mention of succession or power transfer. NONE. The man of verse 21 is the same man who comes to his end in 45. The "chapter break" at vs 36 simply denotes the shift from a dictator (before AOD) to self proclaimed messiah (after AOD).
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The 2nd to last thing one must know of the Beast kingdom of the AC is that Daniel 11 goes hand in hand with 8.

Daniel 8 puts it out there for ALL to see. The AC, the little horn, who takes away the daily sacrifice comes from one of the 4 kingdoms of the GREEK empire. NOT Roman. Seleucid, Ptolomy, Cassander, Lysmachus. One of these will produce the AC and Daniel 11 tells us it is the Northern kingdom that continuously wars against the southern Ptolomy (Egypt).

This was not fulfilled by AE IV because it specifically mentions the casting down of the angels to the earth (also mentioned by john in revelation as the casting out of satan and his angels)



A simply flip of our history books reveals this northern kingdom as Seleucid that warred continuously with Ptolomy.

Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan...

These same nations make up the 1st 3 beasts of Daniel lion, bear, leopard (Babylon, Persia, Greece)
These same nations make up the 4th beast John (rev 13) saw mouth of lion, feet of bear, body of leopard (Babylon, Persia, Greece)
these same nations make up the core of the 7th empire. The Ottoman Empire.
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AND FINALLY... phew

The last and final thing you should know of the RRE theory is this:

Revelation 17:11- The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Daniels and Johns "beasts" are all kingdoms/empires. The 8th and final beast/empire, once was and now is not. The Romans were in power in Johns day. But John is being told the AC empire is not currently in existence, but it was before and will come after.

This puts a nail in the coffin of the RRE. One can talk about spiritual beasts but I take the bible literally and don't impose things that it doesn't say.

So which empire manifest itself both before and after the Romans?

The Greecian empire. After all, Daniel 8 states it will be from the greek empire that the final king comes. Greece --->Otttoman ---->suffers wound in WW1 and disassembles -----> revives and reassembles as the final and 8th kingdom (wound healed).

All throughout prophecy it is the same grouping of nations mentioned over and over and over and over. Turkey, Persia, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Arabia, Egypt, Cush(Sudan), Libya, Phut (Algeria/Tunisia), Gaza. Every single mention of nations outside this group are mentioned coming to war AGAINST the AC.
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby readyornot on Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:47 pm

I appreciate this summary, Kirthril. I'm not studied enough to know whether or not you're right, but I know there is a lot of good scholarship on this site. I wish there was a location here where all the best descriptions/summaries of the various views were placed so that one could better compare them. There could be links to more in depth discussions, but a central location that best lays out the different views would be good, both for long time readers like me and newbies. This website is a veritable treasure trove of study, insightful discussion and analysis over the years. I certainly have not been able to read it all, and sometimes I just have to back out of where I have waded in too deep, but I have read enough to know I don't want to ever lose this place. Thanks to all of you who have contributed over the years.
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby kirthril on Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:40 am

I don't think there is a "AC central" here on this board. Debates on him, his empire, his religion are spread out among the different discussion zones.

The "AOC/Beast from the earth" board was originally supposed to be the "AC religion" discussion board though.

The "EU beast/Mideast watch" board was originally supposed to be the "AC empire" discussion board.

The "turkey" thread, the longest running topic by far was started by someone who believed in a Turkish/Islamic AC, so discussion on that sometimes take place there.

but as I said, we as a family take our discussions everywhere now.

Yeah it would get confusing for new comers or lurkers to find and gather all discussion on one particular subject. But we do have a search button! :lol:
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Re: Op-Ed: Islamic State is Morphing Into a Global Gehenna

Postby shorttribber on Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:42 pm

readyornot wrote:I wish there was a location here where all the best descriptions/summaries of the various views were placed so that one could better compare them.

That would be good if it were at all possible. For example, who would decide among the "best" of them?
For example, my shorttrib/prewrath position is one that I would consider the best, but then I could be just a little bit bias :mrgreen:

But seriously though, my silliness set aside, that would be a good idea if it were somehow possible.
just hard to imagine how that could actually be accomplished, do you have any ideas on how?

We have a way to do poles....maybe we could somehow use that for such a thing :ummm:
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