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Ships of Kittim, Cyprus, Russian Ships?

Postby Sunny on Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:36 pm

The phrase "ships of Kittim" popped into my mind today. So I decided to look up the reference. I learned that Kittim was originally a name for Cyprus, but later was use to describe islands in general. The fact that Russia is sending ships to the Med and there is talk of a potential Russian naval base in Cypress piqued my interest.

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It appears that the following passage in Daniel 11 has already been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes. However, some of the coincidences with current events are intriguing. Is it possible it could have a double fulfillment?

Daniel 11:29-31
At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.




Russia Sending Permanent Warship Fleet To Mediterranean: Is A Russian Naval Base In Cyprus Coming Next?

That Russia has previously threatened, and followed through with, sending ships to the Mediterranean is nothing new. In the past, every such episode was related to the protection of what Putin considered vital geopolitical interests in the region: whether defending the Syrian port of Tartus, various crude and natural gas pipelines in the region threatened by NATO expansion in Turkey, or offsetting heightened US presence around Gaza and Israel (and of course Iran). Which is why with the legacy conflicts in the region dormant, and the only news of any relevance being the European intervention in Cyprus against Russian oligarch interests, it is surprising we learn today that the Russian Navy will dispatch a permanent fleet of five or six combat ships to the Mediterranean Sea, with frigates and cruisers making up the core of the fleet.

How far into the Mediterranean one wonders? It wouldn't be too difficult to put two and two together and assume that with Cyprus just a few hundreds kilometers away from Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and Israel, Russia may have not only a new geopolitical target, namely the now pseudo-insolvent Russian protectorate of Cyprus, but a perfect alibi to be in the region as well, and more importantly, have a Plan B to the Syrian port of Tartus which is Russia's only naval base in the region.

How soon until we read that Russia is willing to invest even more unguaranteed loans into the Cypriot financial system.... in exchange for one tiny little naval and/or military base?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-1 ... prus-comin





Kittim

2. In Its Limited Sense:

The oldest etymology is apparently that of Josephus, who connects Kittim with the well-known old Cypriote city Kition (Citium) (Ant., I, vi, 1), testifying to the settling of the Kittim on the island. This word he further connects with Chethima, from Chethimus, and states that it was on account of Cyprus being the home of those people that all islands were called Chethim by the Hebrews. The derivation of an ancient Chethim from Chethimus, however, would make the m to be a radical, and this, with the substitution of Ch (= Kh) for Kittim, renders his proposed etymology somewhat doubtful.

3. In Its Extended Sense:

The statement of Josephus, that "all islands, and the greatest part of the sea-coast, are called Chethim (= Kittim) by the Hebrews," on the other hand, must be taken as the testimony of one well acquainted with the opinions of the learned world in his time. In Jeremiah 2:10 and Ezekiel 27:6 the isles of Kittim are expressly spoken of, and this confirms the statement of Josephus concerning the extended meaning of the name. This would explain its application to the Roman fleet in Daniel 11:30 (so the Vulgate), and the Macedonians in 1 Maccabees 1:1 (Chettieim) and 8:5 (Kitians). In the latter passage the Greek writer seems to have been thinking more of the Cyprian Kition than of the Hebrew Kittim.

http://bibleatlas.org/kittim.htm


I'd be interested to know if anyone else sees any possible current-day application of those scriptures, or were they completely fulfilled in the past?
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Re: Ships of Kittim, Cyprus, Russian Ships?

Postby lamb7 on Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:54 am

I agree with you, Sunny, in that it is a real event that indeed has a double fulfillment. I think the key word is 'west'.

The 'west', us, was not even fathomed in biblical times, but when we look at what the 'west' implies today, I think it means North America...the U.S. This only makes sense when we see that the U.S. is THE political power in the world today.
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Re: Ships of Kittim, Cyprus, Russian Ships?

Postby Jericho on Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:02 am

I wonder if the Russians know they will probably lose Syria and there only foothold in the Mediterranean so they are looking to Cyprus instead.
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Re: Ships of Kittim, Cyprus, Russian Ships?

Postby Sunny on Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:34 am

lamb7, it looks to me like that whole passage, down to where the willful king is introduced, could have a double fulfillment. Glad to know that I'm not the only person who sees that. But like all of my understanding of Daniel (or lack thereof) I'm not sure. But those "ships of kittim" did get my attention! :)

Jericho, I read that most of our ships are sitting in port right now due to budget cuts. We can't afford to refuel our nuclear carriers. So I don't think our Navy will be much of a deterrent.

Here's a snip:

Taking six ships off the water — coupled with the slashing of maintenance budgets that may limit the Navy to a single crisis-ready carrier — appears certain to alter the capabilities and tempo of Navy operations around the world. In a March 12 speech, Deputy Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter said the cuts could reduce the operations of Navy ships and aircraft in the Asia-Pacific region by as much as one-third and leave gaps in the availability of Marine Amphibious Ready Groups.

In addition to the canceled deployments, at least four carrier air wings will cease flying and two will drop to sustaining levels, Carter said.

http://www.stripes.com/news/budget-cuts ... s-1.213540
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Re: Ships of Kittim, Cyprus, Russian Ships?

Postby Mrs. B on Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:24 am

Ships of Kittim, Cyprus, Russian Ships?


Numbers 24:20....And he looked on Amelek, he took up his parable, and said, Amelek was the first of the nations: But his latter end shall be that he perish forever...

21...And he looked on the Kenities, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwelling place, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock...

22...Nevertheless, the Kenite shall be wasted...Until Asshur shall carry thee away captive...

23...And SHIPS SHALL COME FROM THE COAST OF CHITTIM...AND SHALL ATTACT ASSUR...AND

SHALL AFFLICT......EBER, and He also shall Perish forever.....

Eber is where Abraham is a decedent.....Shem is the father of Eber....the Father of Abraham....the Jews came from Eber....How can this be???

Can you not see....Jesus came Preacing The Kingdom of God is At Hand........Ye Must Be Born Again....
Salvation is of the New Birth.....the Jews as a people as a nation rejected Jesus.....Only the Jews that are Born again...
Saved by the Blood of Jesus.....are saved.....
World Judgment begins a Jerusalem.....
This propsey begins in Genesis....
Jesus said...Matt. 24:14....And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.....
15....When ye therefore shall the see the Abomination of Desolation....spoken of by Daniel the prophet.....
STAND in the holy place....WHOSOE READETH, LET HIM UNDERSTAND:)

16...then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains...
17...Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house..

21....For then shall be Geat TRIBULATION...such as was not since THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD to thiis time, No, Nor evershall be...

22....And except those days should be shortened, there should No flesh be saved: but for the elect"s sake those days shall be shortened...

The Gentile church is God's holy people....those who believe in Jesus....The Jew returning to Jerusalem is to make us aware that Judgment is at Hand....World Judgment...begins at Jerusalem....

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