EU Going Down

[ThomasDGW]

It seems that a lot of people are still convinced that the EU is the revived Roman Empire that will form the 10 nations of the Beast's kingdom. That view will be seen to be incorrect after the EU collapses. When that happens, I wanted everyone to remember that there were those like me saying all along that the EU is not the Beast's 10 nation alliance. Revelation 16:12 tells us that the kings from the east will have to cross the Euphrates to get to Israel, and they will be kings that have not had a kingdom before (Revelation 17:12). I suggest that they will be from places like Tibet, etc. Really, the Roman Empire never went away, it just shifted, and degrades into the ten toes, five in the west and five in the east.

[drdos]

"I wanted everyone to remember that there were those like me saying all along that the EU is not the Beast's 10 nation alliance".
Wow aren't you humble.......

[ThomasDGW]

Be careful what you presume, there, drdos. If everyone says that the EU is it, and no one remembers that there was dissension, when it turns out to be false, people's faith can be shaken in prophecy in general. It is extremely important that people be aware that prophecy does not stand or fall on the imagined role of the EU. As the time for the EU's downfall appears to be nearing, I wanted to repeat the alarm once more.

[daffodyllady]

I really wonder... It seems like we are entering the time when the toes begin to split away from the feet... It looked like there was union, and then suddenly, everything is falling apart. Like even the clay and iron can't hold together.

We haven't gotten to the end yet, folks. We know who wins, and who loses, but the way it all shapes up is yet a mystery to unfold.

We would be wise not to speak our opinions too loudly, methinks.

[ThomasDGW]

"We would be wise not to speak our opinions too loudly, methinks."

That is a strange comment to find on a forum that specializes in debating opinions publicly. Fear of being wrong doesn't seem to quiet down any other viewpoint expressed here. There is even a man still posting here who made a whole web page announcing that the rapture was going to happen last year. And yet, when I take a stand for literal statements of prophecy, I get these curious reactions about being "humble" and let's not "speak our opinions too loudly" now, shall we?

"We know who wins, and who loses, but the way it all shapes up is yet a mystery to unfold."

So, all of the prophecies that give some of the details in how it unfolds are to be taken as an unsolvable mystery?

"I really wonder... It seems like we are entering the time when the toes begin to split away from the feet... It looked like there was union, and then suddenly, everything is falling apart. Like even the clay and iron can't hold together."

And did you notice that this prophecy of Daniel makes it very clear that there will not be a cohesive one-world government at the end? To be wise, does one have to state that conclusion quietly and cautiously, as if walking on egg shells, while the majority of prophecy teachers trumpet their confidence that the EU is the start of a "revived Roman Empire", the "one-world government of the end times"?

[daffodyllady]

Thomas, I am saddened that you took my post so personally.
I was simply commenting on the overall topic, not necessarily replying to you. Perhaps I should have made myself more clear on that in my post.

That said, What I was meaning was not that we should be afraid of airing our opinions.

What I meant was that it is wiser to use one's eyes and ears more than one's mouth.
I have found that when I form a strong opinion on how Bible prophecy is being fulfilled, then I usually I close my mind to further developments, which eventually prove my interpretation at least slightly off. (And sometimes, way off!)

After all, "we know in part, and we prophesy in part."

[ThomasDGW]

That's fine, daffodyllady. I have my eyes and ears as wide open as I can. I don't consider what I stated a strong opinion, but instead a strong surety that I can depend on the prophets messages to mean just what they say, and can hold onto those things that are stated directly. The view that the EU is the 10 nation group is just that: an extremely strong opinion that has blinded its followers to its inconsistencies. When those strong opinions are eventually found wrong, a common reaction is to become agnostic regarding prophecy. In contrast, I have not formed any opinions about who the ten kings are to be, but I am sure that they will not form a unified government, they will be kings, and that at least two will be from across the Euphrates from Israel. I THINK that five are from the east of the Euphrates, but I am cautious to say, I don't know that for sure, and I have no idea who they will be, so I am watching, even though I SUSPECT, for a number of reasons, that they will not appear in my lifetime. I KNOW that Babylon will rise to become a world economic and religious power. I do not know when that will happen. I KNOW that the U.S. will suffer a nuclear attack, and I am ALMOST sure that it will then become a non-power in the world. I KNOW that the world will go back to using animal power and fighting with bows and arrows. I KNOW that Jesus is NOT coming back before those things are fulfilled. I do not know when those things will happen, either. I SUSPECT it will be soon, and that Babylon will eventually take its place. I THINK that there is to be a power shift to the south, maybe South America, probably Brazil maybe India, maybe South Africa, which MIGHT precede Babylon's rise.Those are the areas I am keenly watching, plus Europe, with all of its clay and iron power structure.

[Jericho]

The EU may collapse, along with everyone else. The world is on the brink of an economic collapse. However I don't think this necessarily rules out the EU. In fact i think this has to happen in order for the A/C to rise to power, but out of the ashes the last empire will arise.

[Exit40]

Well, as far as economic collapse goes, it may not happen as we think, like in major global disaster. New rules are in place with newer ones being formulated to avert the disaster scenario. The global derivative market currently runs about 600 trillion, disaster being if it is all called at once. This is not being allowed, as much a possible. For the rest of it, it takes a long time to de-leverage that amount of money, turning it back into real capital, with real value, unlike the worthless paper derivatives are. Meanwhile, the financial world is going to be a much different place in a few years. It will likely become a market place susceptible to the MOB, all in the name of sustainability, with islamic nations playing a large part as a result of energy pricing. Oil based global economy being the driving force for that, is it too hard to see what a unified islamic organization, like an expanded OPEC, might be capable of doing ? Meanwhile, Babylon will continue until very near the end, as is written in Scripture. There will be some pain, famines and pestilence in particular, but do not hurt the wine and the oil, the precious commodities of the rich of Babylon. Just something to think about.

God Bless

David