Herman Cain

by **daffodyllady** on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:29 pm

I just think it is so obvious how the liberals view black men. In their definition of black manhood, either he is a liberal, or else he is a sexual predator. It is the only way they can play the race card-- by defining every conservative black man as dangerous to white women.

It would be funny if it wasn't so seriously stupid and stupidly serious.

by **Tevye** on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:33 pm

foxnews wrote:Herman Cain on Tuesday vigorously denied new claims of sexual harassment,
calling a press conference in Arizona to declare the latest alleged incident "simply did not happen."

foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/08

I just watched a portion of this on Fox News
and he appears to be very honest about what he said.

by **daffodyllady** on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Many good men have had false sexual harassment allegations leveled at them. Some women have learned how to use this as an avenue to gain money, attention, or power. And who dares question if a woman claims she was targeted in this way? It just isn't PC.

Cain will pull through this, I think. The introduction of Attorney Allred has reduced this so-called scandal to tabloid status.

by **Abiding in His Word** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:43 am

Well, we shouldn't ignore for one minute imo, the myriad of sexual scandals that have taken place among politicians that have proven to be true even after being vehemently denied for long periods of time. Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Edwards, Jessie Jackson, Bill Clinton, Gary Condit, Mark Sanford, and if I remember correctly even Newt Gingrich had an affair with an intern while in office. And some of you may remember Gary Hart who was a presidential candidate at the time of his affair and who can forget John F. Kennedy's affair. Others had secrets involving other sexual improprieties; i.e. prostitution or homosexuality like Anthony Weiner, Elliot Spitzer, Barney Frank, etc.

Power seems to corrupt and we shouldn't be surprised nor take lightly charges that come to light nor should we be surprised that they do come to light. Especially grievous are Republicans who supposedly are staunch believers in family values.

It's far too early to absolve Herman Cain of allegedly using his power inappropriately. We can only hope that these accusations will be proven false, but I'm wondering why "hush" money would be paid and a "do not tell" contract signed if there was none.

by **burien1** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:03 am

Abiding in His Word wrote:Well, we shouldn't ignore for one minute imo, the myriad of sexual scandals that have taken place among politicians that have proven to be true even after being vehemently denied for long periods of time. Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Edwards, Jessie Jackson, Bill Clinton, Gary Condit, Mark Sanford, and if I remember correctly even Newt Gingrich had an affair with an intern while in office. And some of you may remember Gary Hart who was a presidential candidate at the time of his affair and who can forget John F. Kennedy's affair. Others had secrets involving other sexual improprieties; i.e. prostitution or homosexuality like Anthony Weiner, Elliot Spitzer, Barney Frank, etc.

Power seems to corrupt and we shouldn't be surprised nor take lightly charges that come to light nor should we be surprised that they do come to light. Especially grievous are Republicans who supposedly are staunch believers in family values.

It's far too early to absolve Herman Cain of allegedly using his power inappropriately. We can only hope that these accusations will be proven false, but I'm wondering why "hush" money would be paid and a "do not tell" contract signed if there was none.

I couldn't have said it better.

by **drdos** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:43 am

Abiding in His Word wrote:
It's far too early to absolve Herman Cain of allegedly using his power inappropriately. We can only hope that these accusations will be proven false, but I'm wondering why "hush" money would be paid and a "do not tell" contract signed if there was none.

Totally Agree with you on this..

by **daffodyllady** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:58 pm

Large Corporations have learned that to fight sexual harassment charges in court costs far more than to just settle out of court. Fighting it could easily cost 250K plus time and effort, while a settlement could be 1/5 that. Of course, part of any settlement out of court would include an agreement not to revisit the allegations, nor to publicly smear the object of those allegations in the future.

Therefore, Cain is still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

by **Abiding in His Word** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:09 pm

daffodyllady wrote:Therefore, Cain is still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Is it likely these cases will go to trial? Is that what you're saying? Or will the court of public opinion be the turning point in his candidacy? Because I think the public is fed up with scandal, sexual or otherwise, among our politicians.

by **daffodyllady** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:25 pm

Of course these cases will not go to trial. What I am saying is that Cain should not be condemned for something he may not have done. Christians especially should guard against such ill-informed, hasty judgement. Especially against one who so readily and publicly names the name of Jesus. Look at this man-- the things he stands for! Pro-life from conception, no exceptions! Pro-Constitution! He sings of salvation through Jesus Christ, on National TV. The only way the Liberal press could bring him down, is to find a women willing to accuse him of impropriety in secret. And Christians believe them, with absolutely no proof of guilt.

by **Abiding in His Word** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:41 pm

daffodyllady wrote:Of course these cases will not go to trial. What I am saying is that Cain should not be condemned for something he may not have done. Christians especially should guard against such ill-informed, hasty judgement. Especially against one who so readily and publicly names the name of Jesus. Look at this man-- the things he stands for! Pro-life from conception, no exceptions! Pro-Constitution! He sings of salvation through Jesus Christ, on National TV.

Gee, daffodyllady, I'm a Cain fan. I want to say that right up front. But there are a lot of people who publicly profess Jesus as their Savior. We know that doesn't always mean what we hope it does. Just sayin'. I hope and pray that this works out for him and that he is proven innocent of these charges. We also know that nearly all of the GOP candidates are campaigning for the right's votes. Pardon my cynicism, but.....

The only way the Liberal press could bring him down, is to find a women willing to accuse him of impropriety in secret. And Christians believe them, with absolutely no proof of guilt.

What do we say, then, about the so-called "settlement" money and the "don't disclose" contract? If these are proven, I don't know how they can be ignored as an effort to conceal improprieties on the advice of his legal counsel.

Again, I truly do hope the charges are proven to be unfounded.

by **water** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:36 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:What do we say, then, about the so-called "settlement" money and the "don't disclose" contract? If these are proven, I don't know how they can be ignored as an effort to conceal improprieties on the advice of his legal counsel.

Very large corporations spend a lot of money settling such things in a similar manner. There are gold diggers out there who know how to play the game and I am sure everyone here would be shocked at how many players exist.

The key factor is how much will it cost to defend (even if there really is not a case). Staff legal costs are pretty high. It is simple math in most cases. If a settlement is less than the cost to go through the process, the check is printed and disclosures signed.

Bad publicity costs a lot more than what most settlements cost. Businesses work hard to protect their reputation.

I am not saying Cain is guilty or innocent, but I have seen how it works.

by **Abiding in His Word** on Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:21 pm

Then very large corporations are perpetuating and encouraging the "gold diggers" aren't they? And if a gold digger is so unethical as to concoct a false allegation, why would that corporation expect she/he to honor a no-disclosure contract? Because that's what it appears to be happening in this case. Several of these accusers are planning a press conference and at least one apparently signed a contract agreeing to not disclose or make public her accusations. And they are being represented by legal counsel. Could the attorney allow/advise their client to go public and renege on their contract?

As I said I'm a fan of Herman Cain, but I think given the history of involvement in sexual promiscuity by our public figures and representatives, this is a very serious issue.

Bottom line is, does this merely turn into a "he said...she said" type without proof from either the accuser or the accused with no legal ramifications?

I'm certainly hoping he can vindicate himself. In this case, perhaps the math and the subsequent settlement cost has worked against the intended outcome.

by **daffyladysson** on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:04 am

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/1600214 ... l-advances

There is video of the software being used in this case at this link as well.

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) -

Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix.

Cain denied making any sexual actions towards Sharon Bialek and vowed to take a polygraph test if necessary to prove his innocence.

Cain has not taken a polygraph but Ward said he does have software that does something better.

Ward said the $15,000 software can detect lies in people's voices.

CBS Atlanta's Mike Paluska played Cain's speech for Ward into the software and watched as it analyzed Cain's every word.

If he is hiding something this thing would have spiked way down here," said Ward. "He is being truthful, totally truthful. He is a man with integrity and he talked directly about not knowing any incident he is accused of."

The software analyzes the stress level and other factors in your voice. During the speech, when Cain denied the claims, the lie detector read "low risk." According to Ward, that means Cain is telling the truth.

During the section of Bialek's news conference where she says, "He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch."

During the analysis of that section the software said "high risk statement." Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened.

"I don't think she is fabricating her meetings," said Ward. But, she is fabricating what transpired."

Ward said nearly 70 law enforcement agencies nationwide use the voice software, including the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office.

Ward said the technology is a scientific measure that law enforcement use as a tool to tell when someone is lying and that it has a 95 percent success rate.

After listening to Cain's speech and analyzing it, Ward said there is no doubt, Cain is innocent.

"When he directly talks about the allegations against him there is no high risk," said Ward. "It is low risk, which tells me he is being truthful in his conversations to the public."

by **Sword of Geddon** on Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:17 am

This scandal is outright slander most likely originating with groups such as planned parenthood.

But I think a better question is, does this matter? Am I the only one who sees no relevance in this entire scandal to Cain as a candidate or a person in general? I mean who cares what may or may not have happened over TWENTY years ago. Can any of you claim if you were a candidate that you were without any sin that the liberal lamestream media couldn't dig up?

The liberals who control the media have no problems with simply lying and making up a fake story either if it furthers their agenda. If this entire situation results in another Mccain(aka Romney) being the nominee than I'm never voting again. Because if you had the best possible person for the office in the future and a simple propaganda campaign from the media ruined that person's chances, it would prove to me that this country's system of government is corrupt beyond repair and not worth anyone's time participating in.

by **drdos** on Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:42 am

daffyladysson wrote:http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/16002149/investigator-herman-cain-innocent-of-sexual-advances

There is video of the software being used in this case at this link as well.

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) -

Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix.

Cain denied making any sexual actions towards Sharon Bialek and vowed to take a polygraph test if necessary to prove his innocence.

Cain has not taken a polygraph but Ward said he does have software that does something better.

Ward said the $15,000 software can detect lies in people's voices.

CBS Atlanta's Mike Paluska played Cain's speech for Ward into the software and watched as it analyzed Cain's every word.

If he is hiding something this thing would have spiked way down here," said Ward. "He is being truthful, totally truthful. He is a man with integrity and he talked directly about not knowing any incident he is accused of."

The software analyzes the stress level and other factors in your voice. During the speech, when Cain denied the claims, the lie detector read "low risk." According to Ward, that means Cain is telling the truth.

During the section of Bialek's news conference where she says, "He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch."

During the analysis of that section the software said "high risk statement." Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened.

"I don't think she is fabricating her meetings," said Ward. But, she is fabricating what transpired."

Ward said nearly 70 law enforcement agencies nationwide use the voice software, including the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office.

Ward said the technology is a scientific measure that law enforcement use as a tool to tell when someone is lying and that it has a 95 percent success rate.

After listening to Cain's speech and analyzing it, Ward said there is no doubt, Cain is innocent.

"When he directly talks about the allegations against him there is no high risk," said Ward. "It is low risk, which tells me he is being truthful in his conversations to the public."

This is good news....

by **SueAnn** on Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:57 pm

Thank you, drdos.

by **SueAnn** on Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:02 pm

Note to the media...can we PLEASE get back to the issues!

I want to hear more about the next rollout of information with Cain's 9-9-9 economic plan.
I want to hear someone closely analyze Romney's 57 point plan. I want a side-by-side analysis of any and every economic plan proposed by each candidate AND Obama's, as well.

Whatever happened with these women and Herman Cain, by all means, keep us updated on new developements. But for every 5 minutes you discuss this, I want 1 HOUR of discussion of the issues.

by **burien1** on Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:07 pm

This is a very eye opening article, on who is most likely behind the campaign to smear Cain. And how they did it before, to get Obama elected as a senator. I hope this article goes viral.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47438[ Don't let the title of the article mislead you ]

by **SueAnn** on Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:01 am

burien1 wrote::shock:
This is a very eye opening article, on who is most likely behind the campaign to smear Cain. And how they did it before, to get Obama elected as a senator. I hope this article goes viral.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47438[ Don't let the title of the article mislead you ]

Holy Smokes! Why isn't Fox News talking about this?

by **Jericho** on Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:13 am

To me this amounts to nothing more than a smear campaign against Herman Cain. He's been rising in the polls and that has made him a target. And isn't it interesting these women suddenly come out of the wood works more than a decade after the alleged facts, just as he's running as a GOP presidential candidate no less.

Accuser Karen Kraushaar has a history of making complaints against her employers. After she settled with Herman Cain in 1999, three years later she filed a grievance for unfair treatment with her next employer. http://www.therightscoop.com/cain-accuser-karen-kraushaar-also-filed-a-complaint-in-her-post-nra-job/

Accuser Sharon Baileck, who claimed Cain tried to grope her in 1997, was seen all smiles in a photo with Cain just a month ago at a Tea Party event. If her story is true why would she even want to be around him? http://www.therightscoop.com/witness-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago/

This is a very eye opening article, on who is most likely behind the campaign to smear Cain. And how they did it before, to get Obama elected as a senator. I hope this article goes viral.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47438[ Don't let the title of the article mislead you ]

Excellent article and I was going to post it if you had not beaten me to the punch. :grin:

My favorite part was this:

This time, Obama's little helpers have not only thrown a bomb into the Republican primary, but are hoping to destroy the man who deprives the Democrats of their only argument in 2012: If you oppose Obama, you must be a racist.

by **water** on Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:54 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:Then very large corporations are perpetuating and encouraging the "gold diggers" aren't they?

You are right, but it is a sad reality. My company has to deal with this on a continual basis...the laws are the laws...and it costs so much to defend a case and sometimes costs a lot less to settle and move on. We adjust policy and procedure to help close the loophole that was exploited, but there are a lot of criminals out there with a lot of time and motivation to find new ones.

I am just watching and waiting on this one. I just read Cain will make a major announcement tonight on the Savage Show. I wonder what it will be.

by **daffyladysson** on Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:28 pm

SwordofGideon wrote:
Accuser Sharon Baileck, who claimed Cain tried to grope her in 1997, was seen all smiles in a photo with Cain just a month ago at a Tea Party event. If her story is true why would she even want to be around him? http://www.therightscoop.com/witness-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago/

Get this. The woman in the photo is actually Amy Jacobson! Not Bialek!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/8592 ... h-ago.html

by **SueAnn** on Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:40 pm

water wrote:I am just watching and waiting on this one. I just read Cain will make a major announcement tonight on the Savage Show. I wonder what it will be.

I just saw this, too late to figure out what the Savage Show is. What was the announcement?

by **daffyladysson** on Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:40 pm

World Net Daily is the one that hyped the program up and said there would be a major announcement. Turns out... it was just hype. One question that was asked was, If you were not selected to be the RNPOTUS of the VP which cabinet postion would you like to have? Cain - DEFENSE!!! That is just awesome!

by **burien1** on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:42 am

Cain draws a line on taking VP slot
GOP candidate says, 'I'd have to work with someone that I could complement'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=366985

In a much-touted radio appearance today, Republican contender Herman Cain suggested he would consider running as a vice presidential candidate alongside a presidential nominee who shares his ideas.

He added that Mitt Romney has a 59-point economic growth plan "that's got all kinds of stuff in it."

"I don't agree with that," Cain said. "So, right now, today, I could not be out there, helping him promote his 59-point economic jobs plan. I couldn't do that. I like him as a businessman. If he gets [the nomination], I am going to support him. But I'd have to work with someone that I could complement, not someone that wants to put me in a role that I would not want to do."

Audio recording at link, also.

by **mrgravyard49** on Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:02 pm

Sounds to me like he is giving up.. I think he would rather not put up with the press any more..
To me he is the ONLY one who could beat obama, No matter what, the Black people will vote for obama..
You may get 3 % that wont but most will.. Unless Reagan comes back from the dead its Obama 4 more years..
I Pray we wont be here ..

by **daffyladysson** on Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:59 pm

mrgravyard49 wrote:Sounds to me like he is giving up.. I think he would rather not put up with the press any more..
To me he is the ONLY one who could beat obama, No matter what, the Black people will vote for obama..
You may get 3 % that wont but most will.. Unless Reagan comes back from the dead its Obama 4 more years..
I Pray we wont be here ..

What are you talking about? He is in first place in most of the polls, He says he is not quitting. Are you basing your opinion on a question that was asked to him by a reporter? Do you not realize it was these reporters who just last month were saying he had no chance are now saying he might become the VP? Furthermore the allegations are going away since he hired a libel lawyer.

by **Salty Skipper** on Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:43 pm

Hired a libel lawyer? In my mind I'm hearing..."keep it up and see what happens." I grew up in a family where people will only take so much. And then it's all over with. :lol:

(old-fashioned common sense)

by **SueAnn** on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:01 pm

Hiring a libel lawyer was the SMARTEST thing he could do. If these ladies do not have proof to back up their allegations, they are in trouble. I think a guilty person would be hiring a DEFENCE attorney. An innocent person hires a libel attorney.

by **burien1** on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:38 pm

Cain's wife will make an appearance tomorrow night. On Fox's Greta van Susteren's show:

Gloria Cain speaks out about sexual harassment allegations

LINK

In her first televised interview ever, Gloria Cain, wife of Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain, sat down with her husband and said that the allegations of sexual harassment against him don’t square with the man she knows

by **laney** on Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:35 pm

..

Cain says God persuaded him to run for president

ATLANTA (AP) — Republican Herman Cain said God convinced him to enter the race for president, comparing himself to Moses: "'You've got the wrong man, Lord. Are you sure?'"

The Georgia business executive played up his faith Saturday after battling sexual harassment allegations for two weeks, trying to shift the conversation to religion, an issue vital to conservative Republicans, especially in the South.

In a speech Saturday to a national meeting of young Republicans, Cain said the Lord persuaded him after much prayer.

http://news.yahoo.com/cain-says-god-per ... 48374.html

by **Finaldash** on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:57 am

H Cain Passes lie detector!! There's a video of the story towards the end.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... laims.html

by **good4u1** on Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:26 am

Now it is time for Cain's so-called "accusers" to do the same take a lie-detector test...he needs equal justice...his top-notch attorney should go after these women for defamation and slander....and make them pay, pay, pay... drain them dry financially and set a very stern example as to what will happen...imo.

by **brandon** on Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:58 am

I just got back from my trip to Costa Rica - lots happening with the Cain campaign!

Abiding, I wanted to take a second and respond to some of your earlier comments. It's an unfortunate reality that, in the face of a changing culture, laws had to be enacted to protect women from sexual harassment in the workplace. Sexual harassment is serious especially in the business world. While most women are able to be protected from these laws and don't take advantage, there is a segment of the population who use the protections provided to make false accusations in order to get a quick settlement.

Usually these cases wouldn't hold up in civil court or result in a settlement, but without tort reform where the loser pays, a woman looking to get a free ride is able to make accusations at will, with no consequences. The cheapest and safest path for a company where a woman has made a formal complaint and is threatening to sue is to cut a check for something small and make her sign non-disclosure.

This means that the company's name is safe from further accusation and it avoids their name and their leadership's names from being dragged through the mud in the courts. A reputation takes a long time to build, and a second to destroy. Paying off a gold digger a year or six months of salary to avoid accusation is a sound business decision, although it precipitates the cultural problem of a small percentage of women "gold digging".

by **GodsStudent** on Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:20 am

I must be the only female who has worked for men who could double as pigs??? I just don't have such a hard time seeing where he honestly may have committed the offenses for which he is being accused. I know that I have worked for several men who wield a good bit of power, and they can't keep their hands, their eyes, and their off comments from creeping into our interactions, and this is not the exception, in many cases, it's the rule. Even among men who don't wield power, there are unsolicited and inappropriate comments and passes made in our culture.

I have tried to avoid getting into this discussion, but my gut instinct was, when I first heard the allegations, that he sounded just like Clinton, who didn't inhale and who later did not have relations with "that woman!" I have heard nothing but bellowing from Herman Cain, nothing to substantiate his innocence. I'd have had more respect for the man if he simply said the matter was subject to a private settlement agreement....but, of course, he couldn't remember that part until the next day, when it was well publicized!!!

I still like him....I still like the men who cannot seem to control themselves at work...(of course, I am forever having to dodge them, and that really ticks me off!!!).....but Herman Cain, being the great guy that he is, is still a man, still has issues with sin, and could very well make a great politician, because in the light of his skeletons coming front and center, he tried to lie his way out.....but that didn't earn my respect....and I am tired of presidential candidates I cannot respect.

He KNEW there was a settlement agreement. Why did he lie to me? Why did he lie to you??? Regardless of his adversaries doing a great job attacking his reputation, he needed to do the right thing and own up to the fact that there had been allegations....he wants to be the leader of our entire country....he owes us the truth, or at least not to completely disrespect us with outright lies....

by **Abiding in His Word** on Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:31 pm

GodsStudent wrote:I know that I have worked for several men who wield a good bit of power, and they can't keep their hands, their eyes, and their off comments from creeping into our interactions, and this is not the exception, in many cases, it's the rule. Even among men who don't wield power, there are unsolicited and inappropriate comments and passes made in our culture.

You are right, apparently, that it's the rule rather than the exception. What does this say about, not only our politicians, sports coaches, priests, pastors, etc., but society in general?

link

I heard a few minutes ago that the catholic church just "settled" similar cases in the amount of $3 million.

by **good4u1** on Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:21 pm

Both Brandon and God's Student have legitimate positions and they are both equally correct from their own experiences. Frankly, we will never know the truth and this is between God, Cain and the women of the confidentiality agmts. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Rom. 3:23) since no one but the LORD is perfect, we must extend grace to the candidate whom we most closely identify with in values and stand on issues. It is not a perfect process. May the best candidate win the GOP nomination to remove Obama from the seat of power. :a3:

by **Abiding in His Word** on Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:36 pm

we must extend grace to the candidate whom we most closely identify with in values and stand on issues.

Well, for the record, my values and stand on issues irrefutably include respect for human dignity....especially from one that names the Name of Jesus Christ. So yes, grace will be extended, but my vote will not should the truth become to light and it's not in his favor.

by **burien1** on Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:24 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:
we must extend grace to the candidate whom we most closely identify with in values and stand on issues.

Well, for the record, my values and stand on issues irrefutably include respect for human dignity....especially from one that names the Name of Jesus Christ. So yes, grace will be extended, but my vote will not should the truth become to light and it's not in his favor.

Same here.

by **water** on Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:25 pm

water wrote:You are right, but it is a sad reality. My company has to deal with this on a continual basis...the laws are the laws...and it costs so much to defend a case and sometimes costs a lot less to settle and move on. We adjust policy and procedure to help close the loophole that was exploited, but there are a lot of criminals out there with a lot of time and motivation to find new ones.

It just occurred to me that some may be thinking I am talking about sexual harassment cases with respect to my company...and that is not the case. To clarify, in the financial services realm, regarding financial transactions, there are elements of society that make a living by exploiting loopholes in laws, etc. As noted by others above, the less expensive option, unfortunately, is to settle and close the loophole.

Ahem. Just so we are clear. (I would never work for a company that had a problem with sexual harassment issues, LOL!)

by **jgilberAZ** on Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:31 pm

Good grief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAGGpK7bSWc

by **Abiding in His Word** on Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:35 pm

jgilberAZ wrote:Good grief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAGGpK7bSWc

The media has been playing that clip all day. How embarrassing, huh? :doh:

by **water** on Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:37 pm

jgilberAZ wrote:Good grief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAGGpK7bSWc

He and his staff need to do a better job of ensuring he is up for an interview. He seems mentally fatigued in that vid.

by **Sword of Geddon** on Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:04 pm

If any of you guys run for public office and the media decides they really, and I mean REALLY don't like you, be prepared. That is the lesson I have learned from this.

by **good4u1** on Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:58 am

Sword of Geddon wrote:If any of you guys run for public office and the media decides they really, and I mean REALLY don't like you, be prepared. That is the lesson I have learned from this.

Especially, if you're a Christian conservative Republican...three dirty words in a row and public enemy number #1 for the Media. Public servants of that stripe might as well have a target on their head and a "Most Wanted" poster for those who seek to do good for the nation. It is a disgrace and Americans are brain-washed against them.

by **drdos** on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:29 pm

burien1 wrote:
Abiding in His Word wrote:
we must extend grace to the candidate whom we most closely identify with in values and stand on issues.

Well, for the record, my values and stand on issues irrefutably include respect for human dignity....especially from one that names the Name of Jesus Christ. So yes, grace will be extended, but my vote will not should the truth become to light and it's not in his favor.

Same here.

Ditto

by **drdos** on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:33 pm

GodsStudent wrote::( I must be the only female who has worked for men who could double as pigs??? I just don't have such a hard time seeing where he honestly may have committed the offenses for which he is being accused. I know that I have worked for several men who wield a good bit of power, and they can't keep their hands, their eyes, and their off comments from creeping into our interactions, and this is not the exception, in many cases, it's the rule. Even among men who don't wield power, there are unsolicited and inappropriate comments and passes made in our culture.

I have tried to avoid getting into this discussion, but my gut instinct was, when I first heard the allegations, that he sounded just like Clinton, who didn't inhale and who later did not have relations with "that woman!" I have heard nothing but bellowing from Herman Cain, nothing to substantiate his innocence. I'd have had more respect for the man if he simply said the matter was subject to a private settlement agreement....but, of course, he couldn't remember that part until the next day, when it was well publicized!!!

I still like him....I still like the men who cannot seem to control themselves at work...(of course, I am forever having to dodge them, and that really ticks me off!!!).....but Herman Cain, being the great guy that he is, is still a man, still has issues with sin, and could very well make a great politician, because in the light of his skeletons coming front and center, he tried to lie his way out.....but that didn't earn my respect....and I am tired of presidential candidates I cannot respect.

He KNEW there was a settlement agreement. Why did he lie to me? Why did he lie to you??? Regardless of his adversaries doing a great job attacking his reputation, he needed to do the right thing and own up to the fact that there had been allegations....he wants to be the leader of our entire country....he owes us the truth, or at least not to completely disrespect us with outright lies....

Really sorry to hear this Sis, but you are right it sure does seem the rule these days. Believe it or not it has happened to me in the work place coming from women. Not the rule but it happens. :blessyou:

by **Jericho** on Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:32 pm

good4u1 wrote:
Sword of Geddon wrote:If any of you guys run for public office and the media decides they really, and I mean REALLY don't like you, be prepared. That is the lesson I have learned from this.

Especially, if you're a Christian conservative Republican...three dirty words in a row and public enemy number #1 for the Media. Public servants of that stripe might as well have a target on their head and a "Most Wanted" poster for those who seek to do good for the nation. It is a disgrace and Americans are brain-washed against them.

Christian, Republican, and black=triple threat. Cain was rising in the polls and I think he would have been the biggest threat to Obama, which was why he was targeted. Sadly these allegations, true or not, have taken there toll. I would still vote for him but I think his odds are very slim now.

by **water** on Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:38 pm

SwordofGideon wrote:Christian, Republican, and black=triple threat. Cain was rising in the polls and I think he would have been the biggest threat to Obama, which was why he was targeted. Sadly these allegations, true or not, have taken there toll. I would still vote for him but I think his odds are very slim now.

Don't count him out yet...and IMO, ever. I still believe he will win.

by **Sword of Geddon** on Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:30 pm

I don't think hes out, as long as he gets back up again, dusts himself off, and continues to be the same person he was that made so many like him, he has a good shot at not only beating Romney but Obama as well.