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God’s indeed a good Father–NAR leaders twist a b

Postby Abiding in His Word on Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:12 pm

God’s indeed a good Father–how NAR leaders have twisted a biblical truth

Christians would agree: God is good. But not every Christian would agree with what that means exactly. For instance, could God, as a good father, ever use a sickness, disease, or other type of suffering to teach his children a lesson?

Most Christians would say yes, that God does sometimes work in the hearts of individuals through human suffering, painful though that truth may be. But many leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) insist that a good human father would never do such a thing and, therefore, neither would God. This teaching is promoted by the influential NAR apostle Bill Johnson, the senior pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, California. In his book When Heaven Invades Earth: A Practical Guide to a Life of Miracles, Johnson writes this:

    Faith lives within the revealed will of God. When I have misconceptions of who He is and what He is like, my faith is restricted by those misconceptions. For example, if I believe that God allows sickness in order to build character, I’ll not have confidence praying in most situations where healing is needed. But, if I believe that sickness is to the body what sin is to the soul, then no disease will intimidate me. Faith is much more free to develop when we truly see the heart of God as good.

    The same misconceptions of God affect those who need to have faith for their own miracle. A woman who needed a miracle once told me that she felt God had allowed her sickness for a purpose. I told her that if I treated my children that way I’d be arrested for child abuse. She agreed and eventually allowed me to pray for her. (Chapter 4)
The problem with Johnson’s teachings about God’s goodness and sickness is they don’t square with Scripture. What’s more, they can lead to a shallow faith that is ill-prepared to face health problems and other trials of life that will inevitably come. This will likely lead to increased suffering for ourselves and those around us. Rather than denying the reality that God uses suffering as a tool to shape us, how much wiser it is to recognize His care and goodness in the midst of suffering.


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Postby Jay Ross on Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:52 pm

I have spoken to two people in the last few days who have made the observation that God uses "train wrecks" to get people to reflect on their circumstances.

One said that her sickness over many months brought healing to her family and that when the doctors were planning to switch off her life support machines, that God also healed her at that time. Prayer was asked for and God did respond to those prayers.

The other person has also seen God's hand at work within her husbands circumstances of having inoperable brain tumours. His circumstances has brought healing to his family and brought him into a deeper relationship with God. The wife too has been forced to re-evaluate her life within her circumstances and make changes that improve her relationship with God.

It is not the circumstance that we find ourselves in, that are important to God, but rather, our responses within those circumstances that are important to God.

It is not our "physical death" that will cause us pain in the long run/scheme of things, but rather the choices that we make with respect to our relationship with God before we physically die, that will determine where in eternity we will reside.

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Re: God’s indeed a good Father–NAR leaders twist a b

Postby Abiding in His Word on Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:04 pm

Jay Ross wrote:It is not the circumstance that we find ourselves in, that are important to God, but rather, our responses within those circumstances that are important to God.

It is not our "physical death" that will cause us pain in the long run/scheme of things, but rather the choices that we make with respect to our relationship with God before we physically die, that will determine where in eternity we will reside


I agree somewhat, Jay. I confess this topic has been a very difficult one for me to understand about God. I've struggled with the fact? that a loving, caring, compassionate God took David's innocent son and uses His children's sickness and diseases as an opportunity to teach them a lesson or as a disciplinary measure rather than easing or healing their pain.

I've tried and tried to come to an understanding of this as a parent myself....
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Postby ToledoDebbie on Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:20 pm

Abiding, It is hard to understand, unless you look at each situation from God's perspective. As he looks at us, he is working to bring us to salvation and to Heaven and everything that includes. When God takes us to be with him at age 1 or 101, he knows that it is a much better place than this fallen world. Sometimes I wonder why people fight so hard to stay here? I guess they just are not ready to be promoted!
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