Ark of the Covenant revealed soon?

by **Mttw633** on Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:50 pm

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Roma, 17 giu. (Adnkronos) - Presto il mondo potrà ammirare l'Arca dell'Alleanza descritta nella Bibbia come il contenitore delle Tavole della Legge che Dio consegnò a Mosè. (Adnkronos) - Soon the world will admire the Ark of the described in the Bible as the container of the Tables of the Law which God gave to Moses. Lo ha detto il Patriarca della Chiesa ortodossa d'Etiopia Abuna Pauolos, in Italia per il 'G8 delle Religioni', che domani incontrerà il Papa Benedetto XVI per la prima volta. He said the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia Abuna Pauolos in Italy for the 'G8 of Religions', who tomorrow will meet Pope Benedict XVI for the first time.
video at link (it's in italian)

by **1whowaits** on Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:49 pm

If the ark is brought forth, Gog-Magog will likely not be far behind. God says in Ezek 39- 'I will display my glory among the nations..', 'my glory' is believed to be a reference to the Ark.

by **Mttw633** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:25 am

Here is rough, full translation from another article:

He said in an interview exclusive video all'ADNKRONOS, Ign visible on the site, tested on-line site Adnkronos (www.adnkronos.com), the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia Abuna Pauolos, in these days in Italy for 'G8 of Religions', and that tomorrow will meet Pope Benedict XVI for the first time and to which, "if you ask - continued the Patriarch - tell the whole of part of the current situation."

"The Ark of - reaffirms Pauolos - is in Ethiopia for many centuries. Patriarca As I saw with my own eyes and only a few very qualified people have been able to do the same, so far." According to the patriarch is kept in a church, but to defend the authentic copy of a religious symbol and 'been placed in every church in the country.

The official announcement that the Etopia give the world the keys to the secret part of the millennium, will be given next Friday during a press conference at the Hotel Aldrovandi 14 Rome from the Orthodox Patriarch of Ethiopia, along with Prince Aklile Berhan Makonnen Haile Selassie, and the Duke Amedeo D'Aosta, which will be in Rome tomorrow morning.

According to some studies, the Ark was stolen from Jerusalem by the son of King Solomon and brought to Axum, regarded as the Jerusalem of Ethiopia. It will rise to Axum Museum named to host the Ark, whose project was funded by the Foundation of the prince, heir-designate to the throne by Haile Selassie before he died, Crhijecllu, acronym of the initials of the names of the children of Prince Christian , Jessica, Clarissa, Lucrezia.

A few weeks ago had been shown around the world the news that would have been seen by a journalist in the Ark authentic Ethiopian church. It 'was then that the Patriarch has gained Pauolos the decision to "say once and for all the world the truth'" on the wooden crate and gold with the Tables of the Law of God The Patriarch has judged the time ripe to close permanently chapter in which up to now no history, no research, no 'Indiana Jones', was able to write the word order.

The Patriarch of the ancient Ethiopian Orthodox Church has wanted to be at his side in this adventure, the grandson of the Negus, head of an important family, whose role is recognized both in Ethiopia and abroad. Prince heir who two years ago managed to reconcile the Christian and Muslim factions at the center in Ethiopia for a hard contrast.

It 'started the countdown to finally unveil the mystery of the sacred Ark of the Covenant, capable, according to legend, to release bursts of divine light and lightning can incinerate anyone who was affected, as is effectively described in the cult movie 'I lost part of the predators'. From the fiction film will now be transferred to reality.

Friday press conference with the official announcement, an event was possible thanks to the collaboration of Paul Salerno, collaborator of Prince and the journalist Antonio Parisi, who for several years following the historical events of royal families and the Ethiopian in particular, and of course part of the Alliance.

What is the Ark of the Covenant, one of the greatest mysteries of antiquity on which fantasy, legend and history have continued to interlacing for centuries? The Ark, in Jewish tradition, contained the Tables of the Law, ie the Ten Commandments, and the artefact, acacia wood, was built by Moses. Outside decorations were gold and has long been kept by the Jewish people: it has accompanied its vicissitudes, the battles and defeats, the wanderings and struggles against the Philistines and was kept in various places until the King David is not l 'was placed in the fortress of Jerusalem.

But it is Solomon, son and successor of David, to put the Ark in the Temple of Jerusalem which he himself had built. This story then interwoven with historical events and other religious and national traditions. In fact, the Ark of the disappeared in 586 BC with the conquest of Jerusalem by the Babylonians and the consequent destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem.

However it can be ruined, there is no written testimony, since the Ark becomes a symbol eternally searched by the men and found in various parts of the world, from Africa to the Middle East. Ethiopian tradition places the Ark in the kingdom of Axum, after Solomon had given to the son of the Queen of Sheba, Menelik I. Here, it remained over the centuries protected by Orthodox monks in the city 'in the holy of Lalibela to Axum, where would be today.

The Ark, which is not visible to anybody except a monaco that the guards, is preserved in the complex of the cathedral of Saint Mary of Zion, and 'therefore hidden to all and is carried in procession once a year but wrapped in a cloth .

The Ark has access to the imagination of archaeologists, writers, religious groups, seven of every kind. In fact, tradition states that it adopts a particular power but also that those who were touched fulminates. An object that given its location - the Temple of Jerusalem - has been from time to time in the middle of stories related to Masonry or Templars. However, it should be remembered that there are many churches in Ethiopia and in which 'kept un'''arca'', as well as other scholars - often moving at the edge of mystery and legend - the place in various parts of the world.

by **javierruizleon** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:25 pm

Al-Mahdi the Miraculous Archaeologist

The Mahdi is said to produce some previously undiscovered Bible scrolls and even the Ark of the Covenant:

Ka’b al-Ahbar says, “He will be called ‘Mahdi” because he will guide (yahdi) to something hidden and will bring out the Torah and Gospel from a town called Antioch.”

As-Suyuti mentioned in al-Hawi that the messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “he is called the Mahdi because he will guide the people to a mountain in Syria from which he will bring out the volumes of the Torah to refute the Jews. At the hands of the Mahdi the Ark of the Covenant will be brought forth from the Lake of Tiberias and taken and placed in Jerusalem.”

Ad-Dani said that he is called the Mahdi because he will be guided to a mountain in Syria from which he will bring forth the volumes of the Torah with which to argue against the Jews and at his hands a group of them will become Muslim.

Also some have the opinion that the Ark is in Iran:

God hid His Ark in Elam which is now part of Iran.

The Ark is the throne of God.

Jeremiah 49:38: " I will set My throne in Elam ... "

When Babylon captured Jerusalem, they took the
temple treasures back to Babylon. Then, 70 years
later, when God's Anointed King, Cyrus, conquered
Babylon, he decreed the rebuilding of the temple
and the return of the temple treasures... Ezra 1
does not list the Ark among the temple treasures
in Babylon's possession - that is because God moved
His Ark east [to Elam] before Babylon and the Edomites
destroyed the temple.

" Then the cherubim, with the wheels beside them, spread their wings, and the glory of the God of Israel was above them. The glory of the LORD went up from within the city and stopped above the mountain east of it. "

Ez 11:22-23

by **readyornot** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:25 pm

I find all this hard to believe. If someone came forth, whoever they were, and claimed to be presenting the actual Ark of the Covenant, I would not believe them. For it it to remain in pagan hands all these centuries without anyone noticing the death and destruction around it seems unlikely. I also doubt any religious group, of any kind, could have kept their collective mouths shut this long, either. I really do wonder what happened to it, and I guess we'll find out some day. But, I have to believe that this particular object, along with its contents, can only be wherever God absolutely wants it to be. It seems against His character to allow it to be trotted around by a bunch of heathen and used in some blasphemous way in these last days. I mean, come on! People died for touching it! If I had to guess, a pure guess, I would think God destroyed it some how or took it to Heaven. Either way, the Old Covenant is gone now any way. We have a new and better covenant. I haven't studied the scriptures about this particular issue, but I find it hard to believe that the Bible points out where it is or refers to it as "His Glory" in the last days. This sounds like some cinematic drama to me, of the type Satan and his crowd likes to use.

by **burch13** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:04 pm

I would think that the Ark of the Covenant would be nothing but a shiny box at this point, I don't think that any part of God's glory would still be found in the Ark. Maybe the stone tablets, but Why would God's glory reside in a box when his glory can reside with us, inside us now? The curtain was ripped and Jesus pretty much changed the game.

It would still be pretty neat to see the "real" Ark of the Covenant.

No doubt it would become an object of worship for some, if it was found.

Blessings,

Burch

by **Jericho** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:13 pm

burch13 wrote:I would think that the Ark of the Covenant would be nothing but a shiny box at this point, I don't think that any part of God's glory would still be found in the Ark. Maybe the stone tablets, but Why would God's glory reside in a box when his glory can reside with us, inside us now? The curtain was ripped and Jesus pretty much changed the game.

It would still be pretty neat to see the "real" Ark of the Covenant.

No doubt it would become an object of worship for some, if it was found.

Blessings,

Burch

Yes, the Arc only had that kind of power as long as God's spirit dwelled in it. Since his spirit no longer dwells there it's just another artifact, albeit one of great significance.

by **Adamantine** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:21 pm

But if it were found and revealed to the world now those of us who suspect so much more would wonder why it should be brought out now for good or evil.

by **plalgum** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:45 am

Adamantine wrote:But if it were found and revealed to the world now those of us who suspect so much more would wonder why it should be brought out now for good or evil.

Firstly my eyes would pop out of my head,then i would start writing goodbye letters.

by **WOODHENOT3** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:38 am

I believe the Ark of the Covenant was all burned up when the Temple was destroyed.

by **Resurrection Torchlight** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:25 am

whether or not there is any truth to this story- time will tell. The significance is not to us, but to the Jews, if an ark is produced, then the Jews will claim rights to it, and will certainly want to rebuild the temple to house it. Of course they will want to authenticate it. Just this week in another thread, there is talk of rebuilding the temple to reside with the Dome of the rock, of making Jerusalem a place where all three monotheistic faiths can worship. This talk of an Ark being presented to the pope is extremely timely in this regard.

As for the ark remaining with the Ethiopians for such a long time, it is possible- especially if it really was Solomon's son who took it, He would be a descendant of David and not an enemy. It was the enemies of the Israelites who suffered when they took the Ark but as we see in the following passages those who were of the nation of Israel did not suffer because they had the ark.

1 Samuel 7:1-2

1 And the men of Kiriath-jearim came and took the ark of the Lord and brought it into the house of Abinadab on the hill, and consecrated Eleazar his son to keep the ark of the Lord.

2 From the day that the ark remained at Kiriath-jearim, the time was long, for it was twenty years; and all the house of Israel lamented after the Lord.

2 Samuel 6:2-12

2 And David arose and went with all the people who were with him to Baale-judah, to bring up from there the ark of God which is called by the Name, the very name of the Lord of hosts who is enthroned above the cherubim.

3 They placed the ark of God on a new cart that they might bring it from the house of Abinadab which was on the hill; and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, were leading the new cart.

4 So they brought it with the ark of God from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill; and Ahio was walking ahead of the ark.

5 Meanwhile, David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before the Lord with all kinds of instruments made of fir wood, and with lyres, harps, tambourines, castanets and cymbals.

6 But when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out toward the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen nearly upset it.

7 And the anger of the Lord burned against Uzzah, and God struck him down there for his irreverence; and he died there by the ark of God.

8 David became angry because of the Lord’s outburst against Uzzah, and that place is called Perez-uzzah to this day.

9 So David was afraid of the Lord that day; and he said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?”

10 And David was unwilling to move the ark of the Lord into the city of David with him; but David took it aside to the house of Obed-edom the Gittite.

11 Thus the ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the Lord blessed Obed-edom and all his household.

12 Now it was told King David, saying, “The Lord has blessed the house of Obed-edom and all that belongs to him, on account of the ark of God.” David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-edom into the city of David with gladness.

Just observing

RT

by **WOODHENOT3** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:01 am

At the end of 2 Kings, it talks about the destruction of the Temple.
It also discusses what was taken to Babylon. The Ark was not in
the list. It also describes what was brought back in Nehemiah.
The ark is not mentioned.

One might suggest that the Ark was hidden.
I believethat the Ark was probably destroyed. The stuff
in the ark (a couple of stones, a rod and some gold artifacts
was not probably of interest to the Babylonians. They
probably took the gold artifacts (5 mice and 5 tumors),
and stripped the gold from the box. Burned the rest.

In Ezra, the Jews re-establish the Temple and worship.
The Ark is not mentioned. If they had hidden it, wouldn’t they
have brought it out again? It also is not mentioned any
time in history (2500 years) since then.
Sad. The power of the Ark was in God’s presence,
not the artifacts themselves.

by **plalgum** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:27 am

I have to ask this question
Would you build a garage if you new that you would never own a car?

by **SueAnn** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:29 am

plalgum wrote:I have to ask this question
Would you build a garage if you new that you would never own a car?

Because it might help people become more interested in buying a car?
(translation: I think it's a good things if you bring Jews back into a relationship with God...it improves their chances of sliding on into a belief in His Son, as well.)

by **waitingformyking** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:06 pm

readyornot wrote:Either way, the Old Covenant is gone now any way. We have a new and better covenant.

Just wondering, what do you mean? The Old covenant is still there, Jesus just extended to the Gentiles also. That's how I understand it.

The sacrifice of innocent blood for sins has always been a requirement. Jeus was the ultimate sacrifice so the Old Covenant was just extended, right?

by **Seeker** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:26 pm

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 11:19 And2532 the3588 temple3485 of God2316 was opened455 in1722 heaven,3772 and2532 there was seen3700 in1722 his848 temple3485 the3588 ark2787 of his848 testament:1242 and2532 there were1096 lightnings,796 and2532 voices,5456 and2532 thunderings,1027 and2532 an earthquake,4578 and2532 great3173 hail.5464

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κιβωτός
kibōtos
kib-o-tos'
Of uncertain derivative; a box, that is, the sacred ark and that of Noah: - ark.

Closest bible passage to the missing ark I could find. Not sure if this would be the earthly physical ark though or a heavenly ark which the earthly one copied.

Peace,
Seeker

by **readyornot** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:11 pm

waitingformyking wrote:
readyornot wrote:Either way, the Old Covenant is gone now any way. We have a new and better covenant.

Just wondering, what do you mean? The Old covenant is still there, Jesus just extended to the Gentiles also. That's how I understand it.

The sacrifice of innocent blood for sins has always been a requirement. Jeus was the ultimate sacrifice so the Old Covenant was just extended, right?

Hebrews chapter 8.

by **imirish01** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:13 pm

Pardon if anyone else has brought this up. I decided not to read all the posts...

I would think the ark is incredibly beautiful with the gold inlay and fine craftsmanship. If I conquered the city, it would go. I would have to agree the ark might not have been around for certain invasions.

Question though. Why after all this time, bring the ark out? The Jews came back in 1946 ish and fought several wars for their survival. So, after 60 plus years, now the ark is to be brought out...

Knowing the history of the ark, I would think that knowledge of people wanting to destroy Israel would bring those that have the ark, back to Israel with it. The ark was brought into battle and the Lord brought Israel victory over and over. These holders of the ark know the history just as much, probably better, than I. Why wait until now? Is this God ordained?

by **WaitingPatiently** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:09 pm

Guys... Don't you remember. The ark is in that warehouse in a wooden crate. :grin:

by **1whowaits** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:37 pm

The bringing forth of the Ark would be one more piece added to the setting of the stage. Rev 11 clearly indicates that there will be a rebuilt temple with courts and an altar, and Daniel indicates that there will be sacrifices and offerings made in that temple.

But there are major obstacles to get from here to there. The majority of the Jewish people are secular, and they have no desire to battle the muslims over building a temple on the temple mount. The muslims have said this very week that there would be bloodshed if any attempt was made to build a Jewish structure on the temple mount. And yet a temple will be rebuilt and sacrifices will start again.

The only event that would appear cause Israel to cross the bridge from where they are now to where they will be prior to the AOD is Gog-Magog. After Gog the muslim forces will be destroyed, there will be no further opposition to the rebuilding of the temple. And something happens to Israel at Gog, in some way God makes it clear that He is the One who rescued Israel, and then Israel will know that God exists and that He is their Lord.

How would Israel know that the destruction at Gog was not just some natural disaster, a coincidence of sorts? The way that God reveals Himself is not completely clear but God does state that He will 'display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay upon them. From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God.'

The 'glory' of the Lord is associated with the temple and with a certain artifact in the temple- 'The glory has departed from Israel, for the ark of God has been captured' 1 Sam 4:21.

A scenario can be imagined, all the muslim nations surround Israel, and no earthly force comes to her aid. In desperation Israel cries out to the Lord, and the ark is brought forth, the glory is displayed, and the destruction of the muslim armies ensues.

The return of Israel at that point would be quite dramatic, and the desire to rebuild the temple would be irresistable.

The ark being present in Ethiopia has been rumored for many years now, Grant Jeffery has included much detail in his books over the years. It is not clear that the true ark is indeed in Ethiopia, but the story behind its presence there is plausible.

But why wait until now to bring forth the ark? Likely because the time of the return of Israel to her God was not yet, the ark may indeed have a significant role still to play. And if it is indeed brought forth, a major piece in the stage for the return of Israel may be set, and time will be short.

by **xdrifter** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:33 pm

1whowaits,

I believe a Building Temple does not need to be rebuilt. Jesus gave us a better understanding of what a Temple could actually be.

He did that for a reason, I believe.

We need to understand Scripture in light of Gods revelation, in Scripture.

Tear down this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.

The Temple He spoke of was his Body...

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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Note: The street, and The Wall mentioned still stands in Jerusalem, and many still go there to pray.

He stops sacrifice and oblation (offerings), which many assume requires a Physical Temple to be rebuilt, while this is possible there is another possibility. An end to Sacrifice could come in the form of the AoC's actions, making it illegal to spread the Gospel and live as a Christian should, since it will then be a criminal act to teach; for example, that Jesus Christ is the only way, Truth, and Light, the Son of God.

If we look at Jesus and His teachings throughout His travels we see that He has called us to live as, living Sacrifices. We are told to go out into the World and Preach the Gospel to every living creature.

This will be impossible, should the AoC gain enough strength to enforce it's statutes.

The end result is that, a man, confirming a covenant, will have caused sacrifice and oblation to cease. In a sense only those with a real understanding of Scriptures, and God, will understand.
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For Gentile/Christians to assume that a physical Temple must be rebuilt in order for Prophecy to move forward, is the equivalent to the Jews assuming fulfillment of Isaiah (coming of a Messiah) would be fulfilled in such a way that contradicted everything God did through Jesus Christ. It is safe to be open to the possibility that a Temple Building may be built, but God has left in Scripture the opportunity for things to happen in such a way that would leave many, missing the boat, because of their own assumptions that have no solidarity in the Scriptures.

The presumption that a Temple needs to be rebuilt in order for Prophecy to move forward, is of the same presumptuous likes Pre-Trib beliefs come from.

It requires us to elaborate on what Scripture simply, says....

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Stay open minded. The temple this Antichrist stops sacrifice and oblation from, may be a body temple. This idea is based on all of the Gospel accounts of what Jesus himself stated, when he spoke of the destroying and rebuilding of the Temple.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Ultimately, if a Temple is not rebuilt before 2010, at the mid-point of the E.N.P, that does not necessarily rule out the E.N.P as Daniels 70th week.

The sign we should be eagerly awaiting to confirm the time and season, is the Mark, because with it we have been given specifics.

-Right Hand or forehead (not left hand)
-To buy or sell.
-All men, free, and bond.
-Those who refuse it will be killed.

I wish there was more emphasis on the Mark of the Beast within the Church. If we are witnessing the events some of us believe we are, this must happen in 2010; if the ENP is in fact the 7 year covenant. Unless we see a new economic system come into place with these very traits the Bible warns us about, then we must come to grips with the fact that the E.N.P was nothing of biblical significance, only a coincidence. What more confirmation would one need to dispel all the falsehood of Pre-Trib, or Temple erection, should they wake up one morning to see such a thing being implemented world wide, having been warned of its details ahead of time!

That is the power of Prophecy that might bring some to their knees even in the gallows; rather then receive the Mark, knowing that they were warned of these things in advance, and witnessing the Power in Gods Word.

by **1whowaits** on Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:08 pm

xd, Rev 11 clearly states that there will be a 'temple of God' that can be measured, it is physical not symbolic, that has an outer court, an altar and worshippers within it. This is a description of a literal building, not the innards of a christian. Daniel in Dan 8, 9, 11 and 12, Jesus in Matt 24, and Paul in 2 Thess 2 all allude to or describe either a temple, sanctuary or holy place in which there are sacrifices and offerings that the AC puts a stop to.

The evidence from scripture for a literal, physical temple being present at the time of the AOD is significant, the figurative interpretation makes no sense whatsoever, especially considering Rev 11.

by **lightshine** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:10 am

Dr. Grant Jeffry says that the Ark of the Covenant was brought from Ethiopia to Israel at the same time the Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel- I think it was called 'Operation Solomon'. He says that members of the IDF, who were Levites, carried the Ark. I heard him talk about this on his TV program not to long ago. Does anyone else remember him talking about this?

Jamie

by **plalgum** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:10 am

WaitingPatiently wrote:Guys... Don't you remember. The ark is in that warehouse in a wooden crate.

Nice try,"but you will not alter the angle of the furrowed brow" Laz 1:1.

by **Adamantine** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:29 am

I would post it if I could but the European Anticipation Bulletin is almost breathtaking in the description of the sort of economic collapse they still forsee for the US this SUMMER.

They suggets geopolitical instability beginning in the Fall in various areas of the world.

You would think they were writing with Biblical insight because of how nicely their predictions of economic doom
fit so nicely with the current theories we discuss here. They should be listened to because they were saying economic problems back in 2006 and were featured here in january 2008 when many were still saying we may not even be going into a recession.

Regardless,be ready, pray because never at any other time in our lifetimes has there been such a possible intensity of events soon to emerge.

The economic problems have been distressing if YOU lost your job but the rest are going on quiet nicely,thank you. That may change very soon. I have read all that you have on the ark. It is just strange that another article would emerge now. It was also reported with a very poor translation or something which leads to suspicion.

by **Resurrection Torchlight** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:03 am

Plalgum asked:

I have to ask this question
Would you build a garage if you new that you would never own a car?

I am assuming what you are asking is "would the Jews build a temple if they knew there would not be an ark to put in it?"

The answer is maybe- Remember the glory of the Lord departed the temple at the Babylonian invasion. The ark mysteriously disappeared afterward and has never been seen since. The Jews did rebuild a temple in Jerusalem, called Zerubbabel's temple, which was later enhanced by Herod. The ark was not in this temple, only a rock supposedly the one that now resides in the dome of the rock on the temple mount. This rock was used in place of the ark and is believed to be the site of the holy of holies. Now if an ark should be brought forward- then the rock is no longer relevant, in other words the temple could be built alongside the dome of the rock, remember the tabernacle traveled with the people- the holy of holies was holy because the ark resided within it- not because it sat on a certain piece of ground. But without the ark- after the captivity- the piece of ground became important because it was believed to have been the place that the ark last resided, the place where the glory of the Lord might return. Though it never did. So whether there is an ark or not the Jews desire to build a temple- the only difference being where. Over the rock where the Dome of the rock now sits, or next to it with the ark. With news latey about the desire for a shared temple mount- I would not be surprised at all if an ark is produced. I doubt it will be placed in any museum- the Jews will want it back no doubt.

Of course time will tell if there is any truth to this article. We'll see if any announcement is made on Friday.

RT

by **Bethany** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:32 am

Just to let you know that the google translation is not accurate. The Press Conference was last Friday once the Summit of Religions had ended - so the only information you will find is what was given in earlier posts here in this thread. I will be very shocked if there is another one this week. So all we know is that there will be a museum in 2 years time and it will be up to the Holy Synod to decide whether the Ark goes into the museum veiled. All this reminds me of lying signs and wonders in the last days. I think the ark is in heaven.

I would have liked to have known what muslims thought of this as they too await for their mahdi to discover the Ark. Its in their endtime prophecies also.

Have any of you taken any notice of who the funder for this museum is? Prince Haile Selassie - heir designate to the throne. Have a little look at his lineage...............

http://www.imperialethiopia.org/solomonids.htm

especially this one

http://www.imperialethiopia.org/sharifs.htm

and a little background on his deceased father who by the way was also known as "Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah" among many other titles given to him by the Rastafari Movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie

by **YoungLion** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:06 am

I don't know how subsequent covenants alter the use or function of the Ark. I do think that -in addition- to it's supernatural aspect that it might also be a pretty amazing device... constructed in accordance with G-d's exacting specifications. It's not simply a 'shiny box' IMHO. It must be somewhere, impossible to destroy, and still with some important use to fulfill. Could the Mercy Seat be Christ's Throne during the Millennial Kingdom and beyond? Was it not in fact His pre-incarnate throne in a way? We should probably drop to our knees when it is annouced that it has been found... not in veneration of a material thing, but because we will know what time it is... if we don't already. A throne must be polished and ready BEFORE a king arrives.

by **xdrifter** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:24 pm

Revelation 11 (King James Version)

Revelation 11

1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

People who are in the belief that a Building Temple must be rebuilt use 2Thess 2:3-5 as well. I do consider it the more convincing argument, but I also consider other Scripture which puts my understanding of "temple of God"'s meaning into question. (see below)

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (King James Version)

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

This is the key scripture many base the Temple Rebuilt view on, it sounds convincing, unless you consider all of the other Scriptures that elaborate on what exactly the "temple of God" could be.

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Like I said, if I see a Mark before a Temple is rebuilt, at the E.N.P's mid-point, I would stay open minded to what the temple of God actually is.

Ephesians 2:20-22 (King James Version)

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

As I mentioned above, Jesus gave us a new understanding of what the Temple is. The Bible also states God has very little interest in Temples made by mans hands, and also mentions this other kind of temple in various places.

Jeremiah 7 (King James Version)

Jeremiah 7

1The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,

2Stand in the gate of the LORD's house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD.

3Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.

4Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these.

5For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;

6If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

7Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Jonah also made mention,

Jonah 2:6-8 (King James Version)

6I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

7When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, [b]into thine holy temple.

8They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.[/b]

What is this Temple Jonah speaks of?

Paul said,

Acts 17:23-25 (King James Version)

23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Again, we see Paul compare the Body to the temple.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 (King James Version)

18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

The Temple was an illustration of something, just as Water Baptism was symbolic of the washing away of Sins one experiences when they are under the blood of Jesus and born again, Spiritually.

We do not need to guess, what the Temple illustrates... Scripture tells us what it represents, ultimately the only Temple will be,

Revelation 21:21-23 (King James Version)

21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

I don't speak with authority on the Subject, I just believe that, in light of how God has fulfilled prophecy in the past (In ways no one expected) and in light of Scripture we have on the subject of what the temple of God is, we should stay open minded to the possibility there will be no Temple Structure....

We do however know there will be a physical mark, to buy or sell... Why don't we stand on something we can be sure of.

by **WallDoctor** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:06 pm

WND is reporting on it too...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102119

That's where I just heard about it before I came here---should have figured I'd not beat anyone to the punch.

by **kazbo** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:23 pm

"but you will not alter the angle of the furrowed brow" Laz 1:1.

by **Bethany** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:07 am

A foundation of D'Acosta will fund the project.

I might have been mistaken afterall and maybe there will be another press conference. This story is certainly gaining momentum. In a previous post I showed the family lineage of one of the founders - now to the 2nd.

Prince Amedeo of Savoy, Duke of Aosta is the head of The House of Savoy. Many years ago there was a dispute over who could take the title of The King of Italy - seemingly Prince Amedeo would be the King now if the Royal Dynasty was still in power in Italy ( ceased during WW2).
http://www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/ ... ispute.htm refers.

by **John Gilbert** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:50 pm

Beginnings of the strong delusion?

by **4givenmuch** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:10 pm

If this is the Ark, and stranger things have happened, how does this fit into Ez37,38? Isn't Ethiopia one of the countries coming against Israel? :answerthequestion:

by **BeTheMoon** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:25 pm

Here's the article on INN:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132067

by **El Gallo** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:02 pm

The proof will be out in less than a day, but this seems much like the aborted "revelations" of Meitreya or the promised display of the alien remains or some such last summer. Never happened after all the hoopla.

Alternately, this may be like the alleged "Tomb of Jesus" last year; it will be an easily disproven hoax.

by **Seeker** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:45 pm

Hi 4givenmuch,

If this is the Ark, and stranger things have happened, how does this fit into Ez37,38? Isn't Ethiopia one of the countries coming against Israel?

Eze 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

I tend to interpret Ethiopia as Sudan because Sudan is part of ancient Ethiopia and is muslim today. The rest of the nations are muslim in the list. I think Ethiopia today isn't muslim so would sort of not fit with the others. But Sudan is not only part of old Ethiopia but is muslim and in the process of genocide against Christians currently. They would seem to fit better than todays Ethiopia. Of course that all could change in an instant and Ethiopia could become muslim and fit the group just fine.

A large number of religions are traditionally practiced in Ethiopia, the most numerous today being Christianity, and Islam. Traditional beliefs, usually categorized as Animism, attract a decreasing number of followers.

According to the 2009 national census, over 37 million people or 43.5% were reported to be Ethiopian Orthodox Christians, over 29 million or 33.9% were reported to be Muslim, just under 15,7 million, or 18.6%, were Protestant, and just under two million or 2.6% adhered to traditional beliefs.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Ethiopia

As far as how the Ark could be related maybe it would fulfill the muslim prophecies in some way and usher in the Gog battle. Although Lake Tiberias is the sea of Galilee.

According to most Muslim scholars, the Ark of the Covenant has a religious basis in Islam, and Islam gives it special significance. Muslims believe that it will be found by Mahdi near the end of times from Lake Tiberias [5].

http://www.answers.com/topic/ark-of-the-covenant-2

Peace,
Seeker

by **4givenmuch** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:23 pm

Thank you Seeker. It makes more sense that Sudan is the area being referred to as everything I have ever heard about Ethiopia is that they practice a sort of Christianity/Judism (different from what we would typically call it.)

I had a friend who went there on the day the bring the Ark out (still in a wooden crate) and have a big festival/baptism. He became an acquaintance of the guardian of the Ark. Amazing, and time will tell. . .

by **1whowaits** on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:45 pm

Whether this is the true ark or not, the timing of this 'coming out' is interesting. The nations are trying to divide Israel and Jerusalem, Iran threatens complete destruction, the US is abandoning Israel, Israel will soon stand alone. But God stands with Israel, and He might use His ark to remind Israel of His covenant with them, the covenant with Abraham that is still in effect.

by **Prepared&Waiting** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:56 am

I find this a bit interesting...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090623/sc ... armlocusts

About the time they are revealing the "true" ark,

Ethiopia is plagued by swarms of locust

Locusts swoop down on Ethiopia

ADDIS ABABA (AFP) – Crops in large swathes of Ethiopia risk being destroyed by swarms of locusts coming from northern Somalia, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said Tuesday.

The Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) "reports that locust swarms have been confirmed in seven regions in the country, including in areas where there is no previous record of infestation," a statement said.

"The government is expected to present a response plan specifying immediate and medium-term actions to be taken during the week," OCHA said.

It added that 1,390 hectares of land in several regions, mainly in southeastern Ethiopia had been sprayed in ground and air operations.

The vast majority of Ethiopia's 77 million inhabitants depend on subsistence agriculture and have been badly hit by successive infestations of voracious locusts that destroy every plant in their path.

maybe coincidence, maybe not?

by **El Gallo** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:31 am

Exodus and Joel indicate locusts are a sign of judgement. I assume this would only be in the context of unusual infestations, which this may be.

And as to Islamic views on the Ark:

Muslims: Mohammed said “A group of my Ummah will fight for the truth until near the day of judgment when Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend, and the leader of them will ask him to lead the prayer, but Jesus declines, saying: "No, Verily, among you Allah has made leaders for others and He has bestowed his bounty upon them.”

Ka’b al-Ahbar says, “He will be called Mahdi because he will guide (yahdi) to something hidden and will bring out the Torah and Gospel from a town called Antioch.”

“As-Suyuti mentioned in al-Hawi that the messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, ‘he is called the Mahdi because he will guide the people to a mountain in Syria from which he will bring out the volumes of the Torah to refute the Jews. At the hands of the Mahdi the Ark of the Covenant will be brought forth from the Lake of Tiberius and taken and placed in Jerusalem.’”

Bible: “He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.” (Dan. 7:24-26)

Math. 24:24 “For false Christ’s and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.”

Rev 13:6 “He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. 11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast.”

by **aaron** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:49 pm

Anyone hear anything yet, I see worldnetdaily reported that the announcement was supposed to be made today at 8am Eastern time.

by **Exit40** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:51 pm

Hard to get any news that isn't about Michael Jackson

God Bless

David

by **aaron** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:54 pm

No kidding!

by **Abiding in His Word** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:08 pm

the Examiner

See, they say that the Ark of the Covenant will be revealed today, Friday. Now you make think that it's still Friday, so there's still time, right? Well, over in Ethiopia there's only a couple of hours of Friday left, those darn time zones again. And if they ain't gonna do it before nightfall, my guess is that they're not gonna do it at all.

Of course, we could all just be a little bit more sensible about this and think of what the source for this news is. WWN? Take them seriously? As Dispatches from the Culture Wars points out, they do have form on such matters:

by **Finaldash** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:09 pm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... eId=102274
Hark! Where's the Bible Ark?
Ethiopia's Orthodox patriarch cops out on revealing plan for public viewing.

I kind of expected it. Do they really have it? I've been hearing all this deceptions of announcements the past couple of years and it never goes through!!

by **xdrifter** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:33 pm

Exodus and Joel indicate locusts are a sign of judgement. I assume this would only be in the context of unusual infestations, which this may be.

Haven't been able to find a link but know there is documented cases of Frogs raining from the sky in Britain, and Serbia, as well as a few other places.... Would be interesting to get the dates on those events and cross reference them with whatever was going on Politicly.

by **Bethany** on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:12 am

http://iberianature.com/britainnature/r ... n-britain/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raining_animals

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/weatherwise/living/severe/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3582802.stm

Those are some links with info but I have not checked to see what was going on politically at the time.

by **El Gallo** on Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:23 pm

Below is just one of the comments on Sotomayor:

The Great Spiritual Separation!

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
II Corinthians 6:14-18

“The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 13:41-43

“Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of rememberance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.”
Malachi 3:16-18

In this issue of the Last Trumpet Newsletter, we will examine the strange spiritual forces that are operating in our present world. We will use the Word of God and our God-given discernment to unravel the mystery and intrigue that continue to operate under the direction of Satan, his fallen angels, and his human stooges. Never has there been a time such as now in all of the history of the world, and everything we are seeing indicates assertively that the end of this present world is near.

These are the days and now is the time when unity and oneness of all people, religions, economies, and endeavors are being taught, preached, and touted. These are days when everyone is expected to tolerate and even accept everything sanctioned by the beast government. Idolatry, false gods, homosexuality, baby killing, and many other “Obamanations” are the order of the day. The world is also being welded together by computers that are interlocked worldwide by a web and net that contain the full contents of hell’s inventory, which is piped into homes and offices worldwide. Thankfully, we can invade that electronic territory with the Gospel and power of our Lord Jesus Christ!

As I watch and pray fervently according to the instructions of our Saviour, I see that something very amazing is happening. It is an unmistakable truth that can be clearly seen by true and discerning Christians everywhere. I am referring to the fact that the separation of the small but powerful true remnant of Almighty God from the multitudes of deceived antichrist population is becoming more pronounced as we near the end of the world. The people of Almighty God are getting more and more like the place they are going to. They are sick of this world and are vexed by its corruption. A new heavens and earth occupy the minds of the little flock of the last days, and eternal glory with Jesus remains the hope of their hearts. We also know that those who are surrendered to Satan’s will are getting more and more like the place they are going to, and hell’s society now predominates the earth. People are preparing themselves for an eternity of damnation, and the forces of hell draw near to meet them. The primary question that arises to all who are reading this newsletter is this: which way are you going? It is an urgent matter, for time is about to expire. All salvation happens in the realm of time, not in eternity. You can call upon the Saviour right now, and then follow through with obedience to the Gospel and a full and true conversion. Hell is no doubt full of people who would give anything to have the opportunity that you have right now. The Saviour will receive you, and we at Last Trumpet Ministries are here to help you! Do it now!

America’s Collapse From Within!

On June 9th, 2009, the Bloomberg News Service featured the following headline: “Obama Tells American Businesses to Drop Dead!” (1) The well-written story goes on to explain that Obama has been busy using dictatorial powers to supposedly rescue failing businesses with the intent of wielding his power over every business. Many people are finally beginning to find out that Obama is a Marxist socialist of the first magnitude. It is also becoming increasingly obvious that by implementing his policies he is displacing and dismantling the Constitution of the United States. The rest of the world seems to know this while the deluded people of the United States remain in a dense fog. Even the Russian newspaper Pravda on May 30th, 2009, presented a news release story entitled “American Capitalism Gone With a Whimper.” (2) The story is a shocking revelation stating that America’s descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, and that its backdrop is a passive, hapless sheeple (people). It is most obvious that the dire predictions of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev are coming to pass! How could this happen in our beloved country?

The signs are everywhere. The industrial giant General Motors collapsed into the waiting arms of the Federal Government on June 2nd, 2009. (3) The May 2009 unemployment figures reveal that another 345,000 jobs were lost in that month alone, and the Federal Government was bragging about it because they thought it would be worse. (4) Leave it to the U.S. Government to take credit for a catastrophe; they are that far out of touch! How bad is it? The newspaper USA Today revealed on June 1st, 2009, that when all Federal obligations are factored in every household has an obligation of $546,668.00. (5) Many people are beginning to realize they have been sold out and shot down. Recent research by the Association of Government Accountants revealed that “only 5% of Americans believe government is honest and open or that government provides accurate information.” (6)

The truth is that Red China, to a great extent, is controlling our American economy. On May 27th, 2009, Red China warned the Federal Reserve about monetizing the actions of Congress. In essence, they were telling the United States to stop printing or making more money from thin air. It was the subject of every recent meeting between the two countries and was brought up continuously. (7) It is no wonder that the prestigious Financial Times Newspaper gave the following warning: “If China loses faith, the dollar will collapse.” (8)

Remember that Obama’s campaign promise for change was an ambiguous one. We are rapidly changing, and those who assumed it would be a change for the good are finding out the hard way that it is truly a descent into communism. Is it any wonder that Obama picked the communist Sonia Sotomayor to become the next U.S. Supreme Court Justice? The 13th day of July is when her confirmation hearings begin. (9) Only Almighty God can stop this further disgrace from happening! This is the woman, Sonia Sotomayor, who stated that her favorite thing to do is to “watch the program Law and Order, and to eat pig intestines, pig ears, tongues, and feet.” She volunteered this information. (10) We know from Mark 5:11-12 that if demons cannot live inside people, their second choice is pigs. These verses read as follows: “Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. And all the devils besought him, saying; Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.” Why would this woman make a point of mentioning her love for eating these parts of swine?

There are strange spirits working in Sonia Sotomayor, and Obama has a great admiration for her. In her speeches, she continually refers to herself as a “wise woman.” (11) Here let it be noted that the words “witch” and “Wicca” mean wise one! Sotomayor is also a member of the radical, communistic, racist organization known as La Raza. In fact, she is listed as a member of the National Council of La Raza. La Raza means the race, and the organization advocates driver’s licenses for illegal aliens and no immigration law enforcement. They also advocate the separation of several southwestern states from the rest of America to be controlled by Hispanics. (12) Can we expect this woman to be impartial in her decisions? We also know that Sotomayor admitted that she is a member of the secret society for women known as the Belizian Grove, which is the women’s counter-part to the Bohemian Grove. The group is based in New York and has 125 members who describe themselves as a “constellation of influential women.” (13) The “Grove” holds secret meetings and rituals as a clandestine high-level society.

Dismantling a Free Country!

The reputation that the United States of America is the land of the free and the home of the brave is eroding into a grotesque caricature of its former self. On May 25th, 2009, a pastor and his wife from San Diego, California, were notified by San Diego County authorities that they could not hold Bible studies in their home. The study group involved about fifteen people. The authorities stated that holding a Bible study in their home was “unlawful use of land” and must be stopped. Even more shocking was the series of questions they were asked when the police interrogated them. The pastor’s wife was asked, “Do you have a regular meeting in your home?” She answered, “Yes.” “Do you say amen?” “Yes.” “Do you pray?” “Yes.” “Do you say praise the Lord?” “Yes.” (14) This is the sort of thing that used to happen only in a communist nation. The county should be glad to have people like this. San Diego, of all places, surely needs more of them. How long will it be until this is happening nationwide? It is a sad fact that witches now control mainstream “Christianity” and are persecuting the true remnant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The hatred against Almighty God and his Word are rising up everywhere, and people are allowing it to happen by doing nothing. On May 7th, 2009, Christian Today magazine reported a shameful and reprehensible act committed by our United States Army in Afghanistan. A shipment of Bibles in Afghan languages was sent to a soldier in Afghanistan where the Afghan people were waiting for them. Our United States Army confiscated the Bibles and quickly burned them to ashes. A U.S. soldier was holding a Bible class where he distributed the Bibles. He was caught on camera and his study was raided. The military chaplains then destroyed the Bibles. This was confirmed by Major Jennifer Willis of the U.S. Army. (15) We are dealing with a dirty bunch! I have no doubt that the United States will burn under the fiery wrath of God, for righteous judgment is in his hands alone. I am so ashamed of what our nation has become. It is no longer the country I was born in!

On June 4th, 2009, the Niagara Gazette reported that a Niagara court ruled that use of a tazer to obtain DNA samples is not unconstitutional. A suspect had been told that if he did not voluntarily give a DNA sample he would be tazered, and it would be forcefully taken, which happened. The attorney for the man was stunned by the decision made after the incident was heard in court, and he stood up in disbelief. The decision was handed down by Judge Sara Sheldon Sperrazza. (16)

How long will it be until immunizations are mandatory? Such legislation is already pending on a Federal level. People who are still able to discern and have the ability to think know that the H1N1, so-called pandemic, is bogus. It is a crafty plot to intimidate and control people. The so-called “swine flu”, or H1N1 virus, was manufactured from human and animal viruses from four different continents of the world. They were recombined and designed to spread from human to human during a non-flu season. These and other amazing facts were published by Charles Drace, a researcher from Christchurch, New Zealand. He also reported the following pertinent information: During the 1976 swine flu scare, no one died from it. The United States mass-vaccinated people anyway, and twenty-five people died from the vaccine. Hundreds more people who were vaccinated developed the crippling Guillian-Barre syndrome immediately after their injections. Even healthy 20-year-olds became paraplegics from the vaccine! Even the infamous Tamiflu vaccine is not designed to protect against the flu, but rather to shorten the length of flu from 12 days to 11 days. Side effects from Tamiflu are many and include suicidal tendencies, which is why Japan banned its use among children. In the past six years, there have been 257 deaths from the “bird flu pandemic.” George Bush predicted it would kill two million people. Three thousand people die of malaria every day, but that is not a pandemic because no one can make a vaccine against malaria! (17) What will it take for people to come fully awake? Apathy has dug many graves!

The Iowa State University at Ames, Iowa, has announced that researchers are now experimenting to put flu vaccines into the genetic makeup of corn. This vaccine would be so tenacious that when pigs eat the corn, they are vaccinated through the eating; and when people eat the pork, the vaccine is passed on to them. (18) In other words, it is vaccination by swine’s flesh. Thus the sacrificial pig shares its immunity with your human blood stream!

On April 20th, 2009, the Detroit News featured an Associated Press article which reveals one of the reasons why so many people are sick with horrible illnesses. United States manufacturers have dumped over 271 million pounds of active pharmaceuticals into waterways that are often used for drinking water, and many of these drugs cannot be filtered out. Lithium and other mind-altering drugs, contraceptives, and more than twenty-two compounds have been released into the waterways over the past twenty years while the government looks the other way! That is nearly 14 million tons per year. (19)

The Clandestine Religion of Barack Obama!

The religion of Barack Hussein Obama becomes more mysterious every day. What god does he truly worship? On May 30th, 2009, Barack Obama and his wife made their first trip to New York City since the inauguration. They went to various places that are considered to be sacred to communists, including Greenwich Village, where they had dinner at Blue Hill. Those who have studied Manhattan know that it is a unique borough, and witches believe it is a magical place. I have been there fourteen times doing research. At fifteen minutes before sunset on only two days out of the year, the sun sets in exact alignment with Manhattan’s cross street grid. This causes the skyscrapers to function exactly like Stonehenge, the ancient Druid temple near Salisbury, England. This alignment is especially visible between 23rd Street and 42nd Street. (20) Why did Obama pick this day charged with occult power to visit the crossroads of the world?

Timing is very important in the world of the occult. In last month’s issue of the Last Trumpet, I mentioned the quote from Obama regarding his second one hundred days in office. He always boasts with a smile because it masks the inner pride that drives him. Obama stated that he is so efficient that he will finish his second 100 days in office in only 72 days, and on the 73rd day, he said, “I will rest.” Here we must note that the eve of that 72nd day is known in Judaism as the beginning of the Fast of Tammuz. It commemorates the day the wall of Jerusalem was breached and the Temple ultimately destroyed and obliterated about two weeks later. (21) We know that Satan has plans for that ancient city and land, and it will be the trigger point for World War III. Can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue that is now going on in that land is all leading up to that awesome event and the return of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? It is also becoming increasingly obvious that Obama is intentionally aggravating the Jews. On June 9th, 2009, Obama was speaking to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the telephone from the Oval Office in the White House. I have the photograph of the President, and he is sitting at his desk with both feet about level with his head and right in the lens of the camera. This was televised, and care was taken to make sure it was seen in Israel. (22) Why would Obama sit in this position for the White House photographers? Why were both feet in the lens and dominating the photograph? In Middle Eastern countries, it is a great insult to show the soles of the shoes. This was brought out when the Iraqi man threw his shoes at George W. Bush; remember? Within an hour or so of this conversation, a violent storm hit Washington, D.C., and uprooted a 69-year-old tree on the White House lawn. (23) It was a European linden tree that was planted there in 1940 when Hitler was at his apex of power. The linden tree is directly associated with Berlin and the very spot where Obama spoke while he was on the antichrist campaign trail in Berlin. Unter den Linden is a famous boulevard in the very center of Berlin, Germany.

In early June, Obama and his wife and entourage went to Europe, making various stops and collecting honors, awards, and worship wherever he went. Then it was time for him to go to the Middle East where he visited Saudi Arabia and Egypt. While he was there, gasoline prices in the United States began to rise rapidly and are still rising. I must also note that Michelle Obama did not go with him to the Arab countries, but rather parted company with the President and returned home to Washington, D.C. I was informed by two Moslem Arabs that it was because it would have been a violation of Moslem sharia law for her, as a woman, to be with him. The President would not violate his religion. In fact, when Obama made his speech, which he chose to do in Cairo, Egypt, he touted Islam profusely. This was the first time any President of the United States enlisted a religion to establish global unity and peace. Obama stressed the similarities of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Obama also quoted from the Koran and referred to it as a holy book. He also complimented sharia law as being compatible with U.S. law, and he emphasized that Islam is a big part of America and plays a distinct role in its past. (24) Mr. Obama needs to check his facts because the United States is only 1.5 percent Moslem.

While in Saudi Arabia, Obama was presented with an over-sized medallion on a gold chain, known as the King Abdul Aziz Order of Merit. This is the highest award that can be given in Saudi Arabia, and it is given only to the closest friends of the king. (25) The medallion consists of a six-pointed star inside of a seven-pointed star, making thirteen points inside of a sunburst, with a palm tree rising out of it. Obama was also honored highly in Egypt, where medallions were struck and circulated. One circulating there had the image of an Egyptian Pharaoh and the following words: “Obama – New Tutankhamon of the World.” (26) Thus, Obama was declared the new King Tut and Pharaoh of the world. When has such a thing ever happened to a head of state? Our President is now a Pharaoh, the son of the sun-god Ra. Obama went to Egypt for spiritual reasons and came away with a spiritual title. It was all a part of the heart-hardening process. In Exodus 10:27 we read as follows: “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let them go.” Pharaoh is the one who would not grant freedom to the people of the Lord but enslaved them in the world’s first society of socialism long ago. Those same demons of ancient times are still here with new human hosts in high places!

Does Obama believe the teachings of Islam? Islam teaches that Mohammed at age 51 was roused from sleep one night by the angel Gabriel. He was then taken outside where he and Gabriel mounted a white stallion with eagle’s wings and flew to the sacred spots of the earth and through seven heavens ultimately to meet Allah face to face. The white-winged stallion was said to have belonged to Abraham and was named El Barack. Allah then told Mohammed that at the end of days the horse would return to the resurrected Mohammed to ride once again. The name Barack is associated with lightning and thunder. With Islam moving from east to west, is it any wonder why Obama chose to accept his nomination for President of the United States from the mile-high Denver Broncos’ Stadium, where east meets west in America? (27) The Broncos team also had a mascot, which was a brilliant white Arabian stallion named Thunder. The horse died thirteen weeks after Obama was inaugurated. (28) Strange forces are at work!

The Generation of the ******!

In Jude, verse 7, we read the following words: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” This verse indicates that all subsequent generations should have learned something because of what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. We are also warned by our Saviour that in the last days, the sins of Sodom would be worldwide for an entire generation. In Luke 17:29-30 we read as follows: “But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

In addition to the gross sins of Sodom, the horrifying evil of abortion was prophesied to be widespread and to incur the undying wrath of the Almighty. In Jeremiah 2:34 we read as follows: “Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.” Please note that God sees the blood in the skirts and refers to the unborn as souls that are innocent!

On April 22nd, 2009, Reuters News Service reported that the National Abortion Federation Hotline had been ringing off the hook with women who want to abort their babies. The primary reasons for wanting to kill their unborn child is that they recently became unemployed or that their home is going into foreclosure. (29) Such evil tells us that the Lord will return soon! We also know that Sweden has ruled that gender-based abortion is legal. (30) Meanwhile, back in America, a Federal judge has ruled that the “morning after pill,” also known as “plan B,” can now be purchased without a prescription by girls as young as 17. (31) I know and believe that prayer and spiritual warfare is the answer to the problem, not violence. God will repay! The recent killing of Dr. George Tiller, the infamous murderer of untold numbers of third term babies, was an act of extremism. I do not endorse such killing, but neither am I grieved about it. The Lutheran church, where he was an official, will no doubt miss his blood money. How can anyone that names the name of Christ endorse such things as he did on a daily basis? One positive has resulted from this: Tiller’s abortion clinic is closing forever! (32)

On June 1st, 2009, President Barack Hussein Obama brought another curse upon our nation when he officially declared June as “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Month.” (33) Can you see the handwriting on the wall?

More Signs in the Heavens and on Earth!

In the past thirty days, there have been 330 significant earthquakes with a magnitude of 4 or higher worldwide. Is anyone paying attention to this great sign of the end times? The earth has been quivering and shaking almost continually in various places around the world. From Saudi Arabia to Los Angeles, from metropolitan Dallas-Ft. Worth to New York’s Hudson Valley, the earth has been slowly rumbling. (34) On May 29th, 2009, a powerful 7.1 quake struck Honduras, causing death, injuries, and considerable damage. (35) During the first week of June 2009, a strong jolt also hit southern Macedonia. The earth rumbled and shook in central Mexico, Alaska, the Philippines, and numerous other places. (36) We remember the words of our Saviour when he warned us of conditions at the time of his coming. “And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences, and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven,” Luke 21:11.

During the first week of June, the fertile plains of Iraq became infested with countless numbers of serpents, driving out people and cattle. (37) It is astounding to me that so many signs from the Lord are happening, and so few people know about it. Most of what the Almighty is doing is being covered up by the mass communications media. Those things that cannot be ignored are quickly forgotten by an apathetic people who quickly return to their sin, fornication, and idolatry. Even the horrific bush fires of Australia, which happened only months ago and began on what is called “Black Saturday,” are quickly forgotten. The massive areas of land burned, the animals injured, the people bursting into flames, and the other untold horrors are quickly forgotten by the world. Experts in Australia have now revealed that those Australian fires had such a force and devastation to have equaled 1,500 atomic bombs of the size that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (38)

The signs in the heavens also continue. In February 2009, a strange and unique comet began to reach its closest point to earth. (39) One report stated that it seemed to hang over Jerusalem briefly as it traveled by. The comet was unique because it was pale green in color from the gases being given off by it. In ancient times and in the occult world, comets were believed to be a sign of either a major world event or the death of a world leader. On the eve of the death of Julius Caesar, he was warned with the words, “When peasants die there are no comets seen: the heavens themselves blaze forth the death of princes.” This was said while a comet passed over Rome at that time of the Ides of March.

The pale green color of the comet Lulin that appeared this past February is of great interest when we consider the words of Revelation 6:8, which reads as follows: “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.” The word pale in this verse is taken from the Greek word cloros, which is a pale sickly green, the very color of the comet. From that word cloros, we derive the word chlorine, the halogen in group 17 that gives off that color as a gas.

On February 24th, 2009, another amazing event took place in the night skies over El Cajon, California. According to CBS News, it was witnessed and photographed by many people, and I have a copy of the photo. (40) Three large Arabic numerals appeared in blood red color and in a triangular shape in the sky. NASA has no certain explanation for it. These eerie numerals were the Arabic sitta, which is the number six. Thus, a clear and distinct 666 in blood red appeared over California. These are the last of the last days!

In closing, I want to sincerely thank all who support this end time prophetic ministry. We are in our 28th year of publication, and I will strive to continue to the end as we await the coming of our Saviour. God bless you for your faithful support. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Your prayer requests are always welcome here. Grace and peace be unto you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
David J. Meyer

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by **plalgum** on Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:03 pm

Could we have some more about those arabic numerals please :eek: