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Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby daffodyllady on Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:30 pm

http://wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s13.shtml

National service forum at Columbia University
Obama calls for US military mobilization
By Patrick Martin
13 September 2008

In remarks that clearly pointed toward the restoration of the military draft under an Obama administration, the Democratic candidate said Thursday night that his job as president would include demanding that the American people recognize an “obligation” for military service. “If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some,” Senator Barack Obama declared...

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Yes, I know that was back in September, and Obama has said almost everything under the sun, contradicting himself at every turn since then.

But still...
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby Sue-M on Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:02 am

daffodyllady wrote:http://wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s13.shtml

National service forum at Columbia University
Obama calls for US military mobilization
By Patrick Martin
13 September 2008

In remarks that clearly pointed toward the restoration of the military draft under an Obama administration, the Democratic candidate said Thursday night that his job as president would include demanding that the American people recognize an “obligation” for military service. “If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some,” Senator Barack Obama declared...

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Yes, I know that was back in September, and Obama has said almost everything under the sun, contradicting himself at every turn since then.

But still...


Okay, Obama can go first.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby Abiding in His Word on Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:40 am

This seems like a strange initiative for a man who things "talking" is the best resolution to the problem in Iraq and wants our military out of there.

Has he ever served in the military? I don't recall ever hearing that he had and if not, why not. It is a volunteer military after all.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby Skywalker2B on Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:39 am

I heard on Hannity's radio show yesterday an audio of Obama saying that we need to have a civilian defense (or something military like) force that is equally funded as the military. Hmmm...what does that sound like to you? Well, someone will have to enforce martial law in this country, and round up all of those people that promote terror against the peace loving muslims and atheists of this country...you know the type...those christians and jews. Somebody will have to keep them from destroying this great socialist nation! ;)
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby ilovejesus2 on Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:22 am

Does anyone know anything about the draft - and how it works currently?

Who is exempt?

What reasons can you have?

Like medical?

Also, can you "opt out" for conscience sake?

Anyone enlightented on the "exemptions?"
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby ilovejesus2 on Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:38 am

Also, Daffodyllady (sp?),

I remember you saying that you are Mennonite...

Do all Mennonites have exemption from military service?

Or just certain orders of Mennonite (like the more conservative, non-internet using types?)

Or is it just the Amish that have exemption??
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby daffodyllady on Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:58 am

ilovejesus2 wrote:Also, Daffodyllady (sp?),

I remember you saying that you are Mennonite...

Do all Mennonites have exemption from military service?

Or just certain orders of Mennonite (like the more conservative, non-internet using types?)

Or is it just the Amish that have exemption??


Yes, I am a conservative Mennonite. However, I do enjoy discussing ideas. And politics.
I believe that a country must use the sword to defend itself, in this current age. Paul said this. "He beareth not the sword in vain."
That said, I am a conscientious objector. Why? Because I am not of this world. The kingdoms of this world must fight, to defend and promote their own rulers, citizens, and borders.
Jesus said if His kingdom were of this world, then his servants would fight.
He rebuked Peter for trying to defend Him with a sword. In that situation, He said that all who use the sword, must perish with the sword. Therefore, we Christians are not called to defend or promote the kingdom of heaven with the sword.

I know this is controversial among Bible-believing Christians. I do not label any war-going Christian as heretical. I only think they are very mistaken. And sowing to their own hurt. And to the detriment of the promotion of the Gospel.

During WWI, several Mennonites actually died while under torture by the army, which was trying to force them to take up arms against their faith. (In fact, during every war in this country, we have suffered severely for our unconventional belief.) In WWII, we were granted the right to serve in a civil service capacity instead, which we are very grateful for. Our men and boys worked in mental hospitals and the lowest of positions, gladly, for their conscience sake.

Even now, the Mennonites run nursing homes and other service organizations, which are registered with the government as acceptable conscientious objector services. I worked in one of these nursing homes for about a year as a volunteer. And that was the most well-run nursing home I have ever seen. No bad smells. Truly loving care. I loved my time there. And I lived on an allowance of less than $100 a month. Many of our young people volunteer for service like this.

The draft no longer exists in the USA. Joining the Armed Forces is entirely voluntary.
However, all 18 yr olds are required to register with the government, just in case we have a draft in an emergency situation. (As I understand it.) Also, any future draft would treat men and women equally. Our daughters as well as our sons would be forced to serve. Our moms and dads are equally able to nurture and raise the babies, are they not? This belief directly affects how the military would be composed. The first one drafted in a family would have to go. This is how I have heard, anyhow.

I am sure that in any future draft, the rules would be vastly different than in past drafts.
And we CO's may have to suffer for our faith again.

Not all Mennonites qualify for CO status. If one lives a non-peaceful life with others, while claiming to be a peaceful CO, his life will disqualify him. For instance, during WWII, a young man was asked a question by a stranger in a drugstore. This stranger posed as one whose neighbor wronged him. He asked the young man what should he do? The Mennonite youth replied that his neighbor deserved a pop in the nose. Later, he was floored to see this stranger when he appeared before the board, when he applied for CO status. He was disqualified, on the basis of his off-the-cuff comment.

One does not have to be a member of any church group to qualify for CO status. You can be a hippie flower child or an Amishman, or just a loner who believes Christ has called us to be peacemakers instead of army personnel. As long as your lifestyle supports your claim, you can qualify.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby ilovejesus2 on Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:16 am

Since Obama is looking a lot like the a/c, who will honor a god of forces....

it is interesting that Obama is "floating the balloon" of "everyone serving" - not just volunteers...

So, is it true that certain religious groups, -- Amish, Mennonite, etc who have a history of non-resistance, are in the same camp as ANY conscientious objector?

Amish/Mennonite have no special standing?

I am getting that right??

Does anyone know Obama's position on pacifism, conscientious objectors, etc??
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby aaron on Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:34 am

Vietnam was going on when I was born. I don't remember the war, but I remember talking to people in the past who were not drafted because they were older. Of those in the 18-25 bracket, I believe, they didn't get drafted if they were in college. My old pastor was in college to escape the draft. During WWII, my neighbor said he didn't go because he was married then, exempting him.

I wonder what exemptions they would make now? My dad didn't go to the Korean War since he is legally blind.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby daffodyllady on Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:33 am

Obama will require first of all, anything that promotes his own power. He has no respect for individual beliefs. As he has done multiple times, he will say whatever he wants to say, no matter how it contradicts what he has said before. And then his defenders will claim that his contradictory statements actually say the same thing. Therefore, we cannot simply ask him what his position is on any subject. We must look at his voting history.

His Marxist mentor whom he calls "Frank" in his autobiography, (who honored Lucifer as the original successful rebel,) showed no respect for individualism. Obama's mother was also a Marxist.

Look up every narcissistic despot of the past century, and you will see what we are in for. They all carry themselves the same way. As supreme rulers, whom all must serve.

And every one of them became deeply angry at the Christians who dared to worship another God. We will be required to bow and serve him, or face the consequences.

Have you ever seen Obama's face when angered? He postures strikingly as Hitler. Chin drawn in, fist in the air, hooded eyes insanely murderous. Here's a link. Scroll half-way down the page to see the pic. http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby aaron on Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:56 pm

Thanks for that link, Daffy. I can see how bad things could quickly get. If Obama wins, we are in for it. That's all I can say. I wonder if Obama won't win, and with the world worshipping Obama and prefering him 4 to 1 over McCain, an Obama loss would not be well received and the US could dwindle in power and Europe could rise in our place.

Or Obama could win, and he could possibly be the antichrist, or cause everyone to worship the antichrist. I don't see Obama sharing power and the limelight with anyone other than himself, though. We'll see this Tuesday!
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby daffodyllady on Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:59 pm

How I dread Tuesday!

Yet, God is ultimately in control.

Another thread suggests fasting every Tuesday. I would suggest that this coming Tuesday would be a very important time for us all to fast and pray for the election.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby T-Minus? on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:45 pm

:cry: I think O's civilian security force had another name in times past. Gestapo comes to mind.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby zephaniah on Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:35 pm

while I personally don't believe Obama is going to be the AC, I do know he is very much in favor of the AOC so it is going to get a bit tough for believers under his administration.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby Final Trumpet on Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:42 pm

Doubt there will be a draft. More than likely he will arm any thug that will take up his cause and be a brown shirt. Why do I foresee armed thugs lawfully allowed to go house to house taking anything they want at gunpoint. Maybe I am being overimaginative though.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby moose on Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:36 pm

I think O's civilian security force had another name in times past. Gestapo comes to mind.

Could be. I personally believe that Obama is controlled/influenced/possessed by the same demonic spirit that Hitler was.
There are other threads relating to this but his rise to power, his mannerisms and gestures when speaking, his charisma, his being hailed as a savior, his arrogance, his affinity for greek temples, all of it is so frighteningly familiar to what I see in videos of Hilter. I believe it is most likely the same spirit.

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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby FreeInHim on Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:57 pm

Thank you for that link, Daffydyllady.

Ironically, I've been making a number of these disturbing connections lately, like his hatred for his white background with Hitler's hatred for his Jewish background, and BHO's dream to rule over America that he's had since childhood. It helps to keep in mind that when children dream of being "president" over a country, to them it isn't about serving the country, it's simply about being a king, if you will, wherein everyone must obey them. The fact that his dream has remained unchanged all these years raises the concern that he himself has developed little since childhood.

Lord, have mercy on us. :praying:
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby Sue-M on Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:32 am

daffodyllady wrote:Obama will require first of all, anything that promotes his own power. He has no respect for individual beliefs. As he has done multiple times, he will say whatever he wants to say, no matter how it contradicts what he has said before. And then his defenders will claim that his contradictory statements actually say the same thing. Therefore, we cannot simply ask him what his position is on any subject. We must look at his voting history.

His Marxist mentor whom he calls "Frank" in his autobiography, (who honored Lucifer as the original successful rebel,) showed no respect for individualism. Obama's mother was also a Marxist.

Look up every narcissistic despot of the past century, and you will see what we are in for. They all carry themselves the same way. As supreme rulers, whom all must serve.

And every one of them became deeply angry at the Christians who dared to worship another God. We will be required to bow and serve him, or face the consequences.

Have you ever seen Obama's face when angered? He postures strikingly as Hitler. Chin drawn in, fist in the air, hooded eyes insanely murderous. Here's a link. Scroll half-way down the page to see the pic. http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html


I believe what you said is the truth from what I have been reading. We are in trouble. He is acting just like Hitler.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:38 am

T-Minus? wrote::cry: I think O's civilian security force had another name in times past. Gestapo comes to mind.


Mmm...no, I think the Gestapo was military. I believe you're thinking of Hitler's Brownshirts, the Hitler Youth who were indoctrinated to the point that many of them turned in their parents for "seditious" talk.

DaffodylLady, excellent article! I do think he's narcissistic, extremely arrogant, elitist...and that he'll end up being a dictator.

I don't think I'm at all draftable, being 50 years old, with an artificial knee, sleep apnea that requires a CPAP, and legally blind without my contact lenses. And my husband is too underweight--about 115 at 5'11".

In terms of a draft, I don't think he's talking about overseas action. I think he wants his own little homeland security thug force of informers and enforcers. And given his wild popularity among his fans, I don't know that he'd need a draft. Plenty of volunteers.

Oh, and community service? I volunteer 2 hours each week at our public library.
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:08 am

daffodyllady wrote:Have you ever seen Obama's face when angered? He postures strikingly as Hitler. Chin drawn in, fist in the air, hooded eyes insanely murderous.


Doesn't Daniel 8 describe the AntiChrist as "a stern-faced king?"

Oh, and there is this:

Daniel 8:23-25: "And in the latter period of their rule, When the transgressors have run their course, a king will arise insolent and skilled in intrigue. (24) And his power will be mighty, but not by his own power. And he will destroy to an extraordinary degree and prosper and perform his will; he will destroy mighty men and the holy people. (25) And through his shrewdness he will cause deceit to succeed by his influence; and he will magnify himself in his heart, and he will destroy many while they are at ease. He will even oppose the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human agency."

On a lighter note, mods, y'all might as well retire that "I'm so bored" emoticon. I haven't seen it used in a long time and I suspect we won't need it anymore...for bad reasons!
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Re: Military draft reinstated under Obama?

Postby daffodyllady on Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:51 am

WhiteH2OWoman wrote:I don't think I'm at all draftable, being 50 years old, with an artificial knee, sleep apnea that requires a CPAP, and legally blind without my contact lenses. And my husband is too underweight--about 115 at 5'11".
LOL! I just had an idea... for relief laughter, we could start a thread on "why I am not draftable. Hmmm, with the overweight problem in this country, we just might see certain foods become illegal... like high-fat anything. And of course, we need enforced attendance at military-style exercise classes for those with above-normal BMI's. Goosestepping, anyone? :lol:

In terms of a draft, I don't think he's talking about overseas action. I think he wants his own little homeland security thug force of informers and enforcers. And given his wild popularity among his fans, I don't know that he'd need a draft. Plenty of volunteers...


That is precisely how the Communists took over Russia. They enlisted the "help" of "volunteer" informers, which included almost everyone, so they were spying on each other, reporting each other... created a lot of distrust among neighbors, and isolation within society. Which of course is foundational. Divide and conquer.
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