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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby mouserpg on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:16 am

My baby niece came home from school, telling me about Obama, and how he's such a great man... and that McCain is evil. The teachers at my niece's public school are forcing an agenda on her, and everyone else. I do not know what to do. The kids are coming home and telling their parents to vote Obama.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby mouserpg on Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:34 am

I would like to add... if anyone says anything bad about Obama, she immediately refuses to listen and completely ignores them. This is a learned behavior. Even if nobody says anything bad, if they try to explain anything about Obama, she just ignores them. Now she is disrespecting me, and sticking her tongue out while making mean faces if I ever talk about Obama.

If I try to talk to her, my mother constantly interrupts me and refuses to let me say anything.

I am about to lose my cool here.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Abiding in His Word on Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:48 am

How old is your baby niece, mouserpg?
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby c.alt on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:15 am

I think it is an outrage that teachers are aloud to voice or force their opinions on students. Obviously it is going on everywhere. They are not aloud to discuss religion or speak the name of Jesus so they shouldn't be aloud to persuade students into support for him. It is going on in all the schools in my area.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Swayde on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:18 am

Let me get this straight....Teachers, who work for the government, at tax funded institutions, can promote political candidates, yet, Pastors who do not work for the government, in privately funded institutions, cannot promote political candidates, or they lose their tax exemption...yea, that sounds fair.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby member x on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:43 am

Swayde wrote:Let me get this straight....Teachers, who work for the government, at tax funded institutions, can promote political candidates, yet, Pastors who do not work for the government, in privately funded institutions, cannot promote political candidates, or they lose their tax exemption...yea, that sounds fair.


i think this is just the start of what we will begin to see as we socialize more. we are not just headed to socialism, but communism.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Kathe on Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:06 am

Another reason why we choose to homeschool. We will not allow the government schools/teachers to indoctrinate our children to their agenda. We gave up a good income and live very frugally to be able to do it but it is so worth it. Our children are growing up loving the Lord and with godly principles. This world is no place for children right now. Not until Jesus returns.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby momma4Him on Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:05 am

Kathe, I agree, we homeschool as well. We need to be praying that we will be able to continue to do so, if Obama gets in, I am very concerned about our freedom to continue homeschooling. I am very concerned about losing many of our freedoms. Mouserpg, sorry to hear about your niece, that's horrible! Only a few more days of this, then we will know for sure. Just keep praying God's will be done.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Swayde on Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:34 am

momma4Him wrote:Kathe, I agree, we homeschool as well. We need to be praying that we will be able to continue to do so, if Obama gets in, I am very concerned about our freedom to continue homeschooling. I am very concerned about losing many of our freedoms. Mouserpg, sorry to hear about your niece, that's horrible! Only a few more days of this, then we will know for sure. Just keep praying God's will be done.



I am also concerned about being able to continue to home school freely with Obama and other liberals in office. Obama supports and favors educating/school children from birth. That is a very frightening thing. It's bad enough in most cases parents are removed from the equation at the age of 5, and now they want to take those precious first years of development and bonding away as well.

My only regret with home schooling is that I didn't do it from the beginning of my son's education and that he was exposed to a lot more than a child should be exposed to from Kindergarten - 4th grade.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Kathe on Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:57 am

The day we can't homeschool any more is the day we move from this country. We will find someplace else to live. Because if they take away our right to homeschool there will be a whole laundry list of other rights they take away as well. Time to find a new place to dwell. However, I truly think we are at the end of the end. It won't be much longer before it's all over. Can't wait for Jesus to come back and clean up this mess we've all made of this earth. Then we can live in peace at last.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby burien1 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:10 am

Kathe wrote:The day we can't homeschool any more is the day we move from this country. We will find someplace else to live. Because if they take away our right to homeschool there will be a whole laundry list of other rights they take away as well. Time to find a new place to dwell. However, I truly think we are at the end of the end. It won't be much longer before it's all over. Can't wait for Jesus to come back and clean up this mess we've all made of this earth. Then we can live in peace at last.


If Obama is elected, and we get a liberal super-majority in congress, homeschooling isn`t going to last much longer. Don`t you know, they don`t want parents brainwashing their children.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby ilovejesus2 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:16 am

Homeschoolers might want to consider moving to the most pro-homeschooling states...
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Kathe on Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:18 pm

Well right now I'm in one - Michigan. If that changes, we'll move.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:32 pm

I want my tax money BACK from that teacher's salary right now! Where are her ethics?
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby mouserpg on Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:42 pm

She is only six years old.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby mouserpg on Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:43 pm

WhiteH2OWoman wrote:I want my tax money BACK from that teacher's salary right now! Where are her ethics?

Do you mean... you want it back for the whole school's salary? 'cause then you'd be closer to the truth. They ALL support Obama, and they ALL teach kids these things.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby El Gallo on Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:55 pm

So a six year old sticks her tongue out if you say anything against Obama? I have to wonder if there is also spiritual warfare at work. Children will be turned against their parents. Yes, terrible times.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby momda3 on Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:52 pm

As a public high school teacher in Texas, I know that Texas teachers are not allowed to support one candidate over another while at school, and I would imagine that's the case at all public schools. Mouserpg and anyone else who suspects this is happening, I would encourage you to contact the school's administrator. You could cordially tell the administrator that a student has shared this information with you or that you are concerned that someone at the school is sharing political views with the children, then suggest the faculty and staff be reminded that this is not allowed. If you are not the parent of the child, you may not want to give your name or the child's name in order to avoid trouble with your family or the teacher.

Fortunately, at my school there are many Christian teachers who do not support Obama and would put a stop to any teacher using their classroom as a political stage. It's especially sickening to hear about this happening in elementary schools. Argh! I agree with El Gallo's statement about spiritual warfare.

As for homeschooling...it rocks! We homeschooled until my twins went into 9th grade. Now it's their senior year and they're homeschooling again and taking classes at the community college. Homeschooling in the early years gave us additional time to lay a strong moral foundation in our children. We are blessed to have had that opportunity.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby c.alt on Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:26 am

My daughter is 2. I have a son who is 13. He is in public school, where we actually can pray, in Jesus name! I know, not for long. My pastor actually was asked to speak a another elementary school and he told them not unless he could talk about Jesus. They said it was fine for him to. He said it went great! :banana:

I know things are changing fast soI really want to homeschool my daughter or send her to our A-Beka school from church. I do feel homeschooling will not be aloud much longer and assume the same goes with private Christian schools. My question is what then, if there is no where left in the US where we are aloud to home/private school where do we go? Say worst case senerio, no more blogs like this, no way to get information on what others are doing, is there another country that would be better? I know eventually all countries will be this way but what are our options here? That is where I draw the line and pack it up. When they are trying to change our children. Do we then head for the hills? I have just felt lately like I need a plan.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby soonverysoon on Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:05 am

When I read this is reminded me of how the children were brainwashed by the Natzies.

The children would turn against their on parents then. It seems from some of the stuff I have been reading that it is happening again here.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby El Gallo on Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:26 am

Hello c.alt,

Scripture assures us He will never leave us or forsake us. The Lord will guide, but not necessarily remove or provide escape. While we remain, we should be salt and light. Revelations key admonition to believers is to patiently endure. If he is The One, you can be sure this and similar sites will be monitored and then taken down. Well, then we talk to our "oikos", a Greek word for the 12-15 people God has supernaturally associated you with.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby PraiseHim on Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:46 am

Kathe wrote:The day we can't homeschool any more is the day we move from this country. We will find someplace else to live. Because if they take away our right to homeschool there will be a whole laundry list of other rights they take away as well. Time to find a new place to dwell. However, I truly think we are at the end of the end. It won't be much longer before it's all over. Can't wait for Jesus to come back and clean up this mess we've all made of this earth. Then we can live in peace at last.



I am leaving to, I have started looking for a mission field, I will take my children, money and the rest to another place, still working on where though.
Remember in Algebra I how you always had to show your work? That's the idea James is getting at here.

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13 If you are wise and understand God's ways, prove it by living an honorable life, doing good works with the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you are bitterly jealous and there is selfish ambition in your heart, don't cover up the truth with boasting and lying. 15 For jealousy and selfishness are not God's kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and demonic. 16 For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind.

So, here's the extra credit.

17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. 18 And those who are peacemakers will plant seeds of peace and reap a harvest of righteousness.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby daffodyllady on Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:51 am

"When they persecute you in one city, flee to another."

Forcing us to hand over our precious children for indoctrination is persecution.

But where is a safe place? I really doubt that there would be a safer place than right here, in the mountains. (Where some old timers still get away with running corn likker stills in the hollows.)

If we have to live in a cave, so be it. I know God will care for us.

I do think I should learn more about native edibles in the wild. Even if I never have to live in hiding, I may someday need to know that stuff.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby El Gallo on Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:14 pm

Well, if one had to move, the corruption in Mexico could be an advantage. A bit of a bribe might be very helpful.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby PraiseHim on Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:21 pm

If it comes down to moving I will look into Mexico, its the easiest and closet place to go to for me, just need to find a mission there I guess.
Remember in Algebra I how you always had to show your work? That's the idea James is getting at here.

James 3:13-18 (New Living Translation)

13 If you are wise and understand God's ways, prove it by living an honorable life, doing good works with the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you are bitterly jealous and there is selfish ambition in your heart, don't cover up the truth with boasting and lying. 15 For jealousy and selfishness are not God's kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and demonic. 16 For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind.

So, here's the extra credit.

17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. 18 And those who are peacemakers will plant seeds of peace and reap a harvest of righteousness.

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby WhiteH2OWoman on Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:27 pm

Sorry to hear about your niece, Mouse. I suggest you march right down to that school and talk with the teacher. Tell her you have (magical liberal buzzwords coming up:) "concerns" you'd like to "share" with her. Then tell her her job is to educate, not teach her own political agenda.

And yes, come to think of it, I DO want my whole tax money back if they're all doing it!

I guess we should have foreseen this decades and decades ago when the liberals infiltrated then mostly took over the colleges and universities...that someday it would trickle down to public schools ON PURPOSE!

It's time to stop tolerating this kind of stuff. We have been silent too long. START STANDING UP to things like this.

Re Mexico: as a Texan, I do NOT recommend going to Mexico right now for any reason. Most Texans have quit going down there for vacations because the drug crime has spiraled out of control. That bribe money for teachers? You'd need it to give to the kidnappers.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby El Gallo on Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:30 pm

Bless your insight CC. Revelation says to patiently endure, and it seems you are modeling that.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby kyle on Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:21 pm

burien1 wrote: Don`t you know, they don`t want parents brainwashing their children.


They don't like the competition.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Bob the Quiet on Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:27 pm

mouserpg wrote:My baby niece came home from school, telling me about Obama, and how he's such a great man... and that McCain is evil. The teachers at my niece's public school are forcing an agenda on her, and everyone else. I do not know what to do. The kids are coming home and telling their parents to vote Obama.


Well...I personally would agree that McBama..er...McCain is evil...but I would say the same of Obama. IMO, McCain rigged his own campaign for failure in the general election.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby momma4Him on Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:40 pm

Hey Bob the Silent...nice to see a fellow Dakotan here!!! I'm just south of ya!!!
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Sue-M on Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:18 am

Bob the Quiet wrote:
mouserpg wrote:My baby niece came home from school, telling me about Obama, and how he's such a great man... and that McCain is evil. The teachers at my niece's public school are forcing an agenda on her, and everyone else. I do not know what to do. The kids are coming home and telling their parents to vote Obama.


Well...I personally would agree that McBama..er...McCain is evil...but I would say the same of Obama. IMO, McCain rigged his own campaign for failure in the general election.


Bob, I think I remember you from a while ago. Did you go somewhere? I also believe that McCain just didn't care if he won or lost. I have a feeling that he was kind of told not to try so hard because of the economy and what was coming.
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby Bob the Quiet on Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:25 pm

Sue-M wrote:
Bob the Quiet wrote:
mouserpg wrote:My baby niece came home from school, telling me about Obama, and how he's such a great man... and that McCain is evil. The teachers at my niece's public school are forcing an agenda on her, and everyone else. I do not know what to do. The kids are coming home and telling their parents to vote Obama.


Well...I personally would agree that McBama..er...McCain is evil...but I would say the same of Obama. IMO, McCain rigged his own campaign for failure in the general election.


Bob, I think I remember you from a while ago. Did you go somewhere? I also believe that McCain just didn't care if he won or lost. I have a feeling that he was kind of told not to try so hard because of the economy and what was coming.


I didn't go anywhere...just stopped doin' the message board thing for a while :grin:
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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby crmann on Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:42 pm

For those of you who want to know of a place to escape the country, Rick Wiles, of TruNews, is planning such a place..

Check it out at his website.

http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm

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Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Postby kyle on Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:59 pm

crmann wrote:For those of you who want to know of a place to escape the country, Rick Wiles, of TruNews, is planning such a place..

Check it out at his website.

http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm

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Do you have a specific link to someplace where he talks more about it? That link is to a broadcast archive and the main page on that site is mostly news headlines (unless I missed it somewhere).
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