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Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby member x on Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:55 pm

apparently this guy Berg has filed suit to legally challenge Obama's ability to run for president.
wonder what will come of this...
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court- ... id-281573/
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:12 am

On September 2, Attorney Berg filed a request for the summonses (sp) to be reissued as they were never received by the defendants. Very interesting.

Also Interesting is how Obama's name appears in these legal documents...

"Defendant:
Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a
Barry Soetoro a/k/a
Barry Obama a/k/a
Barack Dunham a/k/a
Barry Dunham"

Holy Moley! This quasi-American citizen has more names than Elizabeth Taylor!!!
And he signed a paper stating that there were no other names (other than Barack Obama) by which he was known!

This attorney has GUTS doing this. He will be lucky if he gets out of this alive.
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
َأُبَارِكُ مُبَارِكِيكَ وَأَلْعَنُ لاعِنِيكَ، وَتَتَبَارَكُ فِيكَ جَمِيعُ أُمَمِ الأَرْضِ »
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Pretzelogical on Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:01 am

Do not forget, the Clintons never lose! I am watching for this to become an issue at just the right time. This lawyer would have all of the Clinton machine to back him up! Hilary on the ticket at the last minute would *steal* the election, in my opinion.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby member x on Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:48 am

Pretzelogical wrote:Do not forget, the Clintons never lose! I am watching for this to become an issue at just the right time. This lawyer would have all of the Clinton machine to back him up! Hilary on the ticket at the last minute would *steal* the election, in my opinion.


that is a good point, and this lawyer is a clinton guy. it should be noted he's not doing this for the GOP
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby momma4Him on Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:55 am

That was one of my first thoughts when I saw this yesterday, that at the last minute Hillary would get in.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:48 pm

Latest update:

The Process Server that was hired by Berg was successful today in serving Obama his summons at 1:00 and the Democratic Committee at 12:00.

Not a WORD on any newsbroadcasts.

Should be interesting to see what happens now.

Are there any attorneys on this forum? I would love to hear your opinion on the quality of the documents writtten by this Berg attorney. I have read several blogs criticizing his abilities. But can I trust the words of folks "out there" in the world?
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
َأُبَارِكُ مُبَارِكِيكَ وَأَلْعَنُ لاعِنِيكَ، وَتَتَبَارَكُ فِيكَ جَمِيعُ أُمَمِ الأَرْضِ »
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby finallyfree73 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:00 pm

Does anyone know the content of the suit? I can't see it as it prompt for username/password. I'd love to read the initial filing.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:08 pm

finallyfree73 wrote:Does anyone know the content of the suit? I can't see it as it prompt for username/password. I'd love to read the initial filing.


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE :
:
Plaintiff :
vs. : CIVIL ACTION NO.
:
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a :
BARRY SOETORO, a/k/a :
BARRY OBAMA , a/k/a : JURY TRIAL DEMANDED
BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a :
BARRY DUNHAM, THE :
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL :
COMMITTEE, THE FEDERAL :
ELECTION COMMISSION AND :
DOES 1-50 INCLUSIVE ::
Defendants :
COMPLAINT FOR DECLARTORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
PRELIMINARY STATEMENT
1. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states in particular part, “No Person
except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption
of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person
be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and
been Fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” Furthermore, all Presidents
since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the
Declaration of Independence.
2. “The general doctrine of our Constitution is, that the executive power of the nation is
vested in the President; subject only to the exceptions and qualifications, which are
expressed in the instrument.” 7 Works of Alexander Hamilton, J. C. Hamilton ed. (New
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York: 1851), 76, 80–81 (emphasis in original), U.S. Constitution, Article II (Hamilton and
Madison.)
3. Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, the Obama must meet the
Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which is he must be
a “natural born” citizen. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen. Just to
name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an
Indonesian citizen and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s
mother naturalized in Indonesia and Obama followed her naturalization, as he was a
minor and in the custody of his mother. Obama failed to take the oath of allegiance when
he turned eighteen (18) years to regain his United States Citizenship status.
4. The Democratic National Committee is for Plaintiff and “We the People” who believe in
the Democratic Vision. The Democratic National Party is supposed to represent the
Democratic Americans in seeking honest leadership, Open Government, Real Security,
Energy Independence, Economic Prosperity, Educational Excellence, a Healthcare
System that works for Everyone and Retirement Security. The Democratic Party is
supposed to represent and protect the interests of working Americans and guaranteeing
personal liberties for all. Of which includes securing a Democratic Nominee on the
Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision and who is qualified
and eligible to run for Office of the President under the qualifications of the United States
Constitution.
5. The actions of Obama, a U.S. Senator, in running for President of the United States,
knowing he is not eligible, have been taken entirely without authorization under the
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United States Constitution, completely ignoring the qualification and procedures created
by the United States Constitution he is purporting to enforce.
6. Should Obama become the Nominee of the Democratic Party and then be discovered by
virtue of malfeasance, or negligence, on his part not to have revealed material evidence
showing him to be Ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America
and thereby his Nomination be declared void by the appropriate Authorities Acting under
the Law, Plaintiff as well as other Democratic Americans will suffer Irreparable Harm
including but not limited to:
A) Functional, or Actual, Disenfranchisement of large numbers of Citizens,
being members of the Democratic Party, who would have been
deprived of the ability to choose a Nominee of their liking;
B) Irreparable Harm to the structure and integrity of the Democratic Party
and the Democratic National Committee. In turn, this too would lead to
Disenfranchisement; and
C) A severe and genuine likelihood of Civil Disturbance by virtue of reaction
to said Disenfranchisement.
JURISDICTION AND VENUE
7. This case arises under the Constitution and laws of the United States and presents a
federal question within this Court’s jurisdiction under Article III of the Constitution and
28 U.S.C. § 1331.
8. This Court has authority to grant declaratory relief pursuant to the Declaratory Judgment
Act, 28 U.S. C. § 2201.
9. Venue is proper in this Court under 28 U.S.C. § 1391(b).
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PARTIES
10. Plaintiff, Plaintiff, Philip J. Berg, Esquire [hereinafter “Plaintiff”], is an adult individual
with a business address of 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12, Lafayette Hill, PA
19444-2531.
11. Defendant, Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a
Barack Dunham, a/k/a Barry Dunham [hereinafter “Obama” is an adult individual
with an office address of 713 Hatch, Senate Office Building, Washington D.C.
12. Obama, The Democratic National Committee (hereinafter referred to as “DNC”) is a
Corporation with a principal address of 430 S. Capitol Street SE, Washington, DC
20003.
13. Defendant, The Federal Election Commission (FEC) was created in 1975 by Congress
to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA). The FEC is a
Governmental Agency with a principal address of 999 E Street, NW, Washington, DC
20463.
FACTUAL ALLEGATIONS
14. Since the beginning of the U.S. Constitution, in order to run for Office of the President,
you must be a “natural born citizen” and you may not hold dual citizenship or multiple
citizenships with foreign Countries. U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1.
15. There are questions as to where Obama was actually born, in the United States or abroad
and then registered his birth. There are further questions regarding Obama’s United
States Citizenship, if he ever held such, being expatriated and his failure to regain his
citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance once he turned eighteen (18) years of age.
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There are additional questions regarding Obama’s multi citizenships with foreign
countries, which he still maintains. To date, Obama has refused to prove he is qualified
under the U.S. Constitution and his eligibility to run as President of the United States.
16. The facts are undisputed by Obama that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S.
Citizen however, his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a Citizen of Kenya. Obama’s
parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.
17. Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never
given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas Obama’s grandmother on his
father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya. Reports
reflect Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was
prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy,
which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann
Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and
registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or
about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
18. Upon investigation into the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii,
Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital
and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version under the subject “Barack Obama”
states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version under the
subject “Queens Hospital” states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.
19. There are further references circulating on the internet claiming examination of the
hospital’s records in Hawaii show no birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama),
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Obama’s mother. However, there are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about
August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
20. Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal was a contributing writer and published
an article on June 9, 2008 stating the GOP sent a research team to Mombasa, Kenya and
located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Maternity Hospital,
to his father, a Kenyan Citizen and his mother, a U.S. Citizen.
21. At the time of Obama’s birth in 1961, Kenya was a British Colony.
22. There is a Canadian Birth Certificate posted on the Internet in the name of Barack
Hussein Obama, Jr.; however, the date of birth shows to be August 23, 1961.
23. Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on
December 12, 1963. Chicago-based Internet journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy
Martin states Obama has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. Andy Martin further
states on Obama’s Senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own dual nationality
when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows, because his father told the Obama,
that he (Obama) also held/holds Kenyan nationality.
24. If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books at the time of his birth stated
if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his
mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother would have had to live ten (10) years in
the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of
Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the
residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship. The
laws in effect at the time of Obama’s birth prevented U.S. Citizenship at birth of children
born abroad to a U.S. Citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, if the citizen parent was
under the age of nineteen (19) at the time of the birth of the child. Obama’s mother did
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not qualify under the law on the books to register Obama as a “natural born” citizen.
Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163,
235, 8 U.S.C. §1401(b), Matter of S-F- and G-, 2 I & N Dec. 182 (B.I.A.) approved
(Att’y Gen. 1944). Obama would have only been naturalized and a Naturalized citizen is
not qualified and/or eligible to run for Office of the President. U.S. Constitution, Article
II, Section I, Clause 4.
25. Furthermore, if Obama had been born in Kenya, his birth father Barack Obama, Sr. was a
citizen of Kenya; therefore, Obama would have automatically become a citizen of Kenya.
26. In or about 1967, when Obama was approximately six (6) years old, his mother, Stanley
Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and moved to Indonesia with
Obama. At this time, if Obama was Registered as a “natural born” citizen, which he did
not qualify to be registered as, he would have lost his U.S. Citizenship when his mother
married Lolo Soetoro and took up residency in Indonesia. The first requirement is that
naturalization must be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization
occurs, for example, when a person acquires a foreign nationality by marriage to a
national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). Additionally, there is
rumor circulating on the Internet that his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, adopted
Obama.
27. The Nationality Act of 1940 provided for the loss of citizenship when the person became
naturalized upon the naturalization of his or her parent having custody of such person.
Obama’s mother expatriated her U.S. Citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro, a
citizen of Indonesia and relocated her and her son (Obama) to Indonesia.
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28. Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in
Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration where it clearly
states Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and lists his citizenship as Indonesian, Obama’s
father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as
August 4, 1961 in Honolulu and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was
verified by television show Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher took the actual
footage of the school record.
29. In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10)
years of age upon his return to Hawaii.
30. Sometime after the return of Obama to Hawaii, Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham
returned to Hawaii and divorced her husband, Lolo Soetoro. At the time of Divorce,
Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham could have regained her U.S. Citizenship. In
order to regain her citizenship, Obama’s mother would have had to take the oath of
allegiance required. Such oath of allegiance may be taken abroad before a diplomatic or
consular officer of the United States, or in the United States before the Attorney General
or the judge or clerk of a Court. Such Oath of allegiance would have been entered in the
records of the appropriate embassy, legation, consulate, court or the Attorney General
and upon demand, a certified copy of the proceedings, including a copy of the oath
administered, under the seal of the embassy, legation, consulate, court or the Attorney
General shall be delivered. The certified copy shall be evidence of the facts stated therein
before any court of record or judicial tribunal and in any department or agency of the
Government of the United States. 8 U.S.C. §1435.
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31. As stated above, The Nationality Act of 1940 provided for the loss of citizenship when
the person became naturalized upon the naturalization of his or her parent having custody
of such person. Obama’s mother expatriated her U.S. Citizenship when she married Lolo
Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and relocated her and her son (Obama) to Indonesia.
32. Obama’s mother failed to take the oath in order to regain her U.S. Citizenship.
Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his U.S. Citizenship until he turned
eighteen (18) years after he took the oath of allegiance before a diplomatic or consular
officer of the United States, or in the U.S. before the Attorney General or the judge or
clerk of court. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama failed to regain
his citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance. Since the oath of allegiance would have
been entered in the records of the appropriate embassy, legation, consulate, court or the
Attorney General, if Plaintiff is incorrect, then Obama should be able to produce in Court
a certified copy of the proceedings, including a copy of the oath administered.
33. Investigation further showed in 1981, Obama traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian
passport. At the time of travels to Indonesia, Obama was twenty (20) years old. He was
well aware he maintained his Indonesia citizenship, and failed to regain his United States
citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. Had Obama regained his United
States citizenship, he would have been traveling on a United States Passport.
34. Obama and his Campaign office have been asked for Obama’s Certificate of Birth in
order to prove he is a “natural born” citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution.
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35. After many attempts of the public to obtain Obama’s Certificate of Birth, a Hawaiian
Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) was placed on Obama’s campaign website. However,
as posted all over the internet, three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts
performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama’s
campaign website. The Forensic Expert findings were the Certificate of Live Birth
(COLB) was in fact a forgery. It was further discovered that this original Certificate of
Live Birth which had been altered and forged was issued to Maya Kasandra Soetoro,
born in 1970. Maya Kasandra Soetoro is Obama’s half sister who was born in Indonesia
and her birth was later registered in Hawaii. The altered and forged COLB is still on
Obama’s website located at http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
36. Further investigation led to Obama’s State Bar Registration and Public Disciplinary
Record. On the Illinois State Bar Registration and Public Disciplinary Record it
specifically asks for “Full former name(s). Obama put “None,” when in fact he went by
the name Barry Soetoro, and Barry Obama. It is further believed Obama has used the
name Barry Dunham. Obama lied on the State government form that he signed under the
penalty of perjury.
37. Even if Obama maintained his United States Citizenship, which he failed to do, he also
carries citizenships in Kenya and Indonesia. Obama has divided loyalties with foreign
countries. Thus, Obama carries multiple citizenships and is ineligible to run for President
of the United States. United States Constitution, Article II, Section I.
38. All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because the Obama
cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately
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eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process and the supporters of their
citizen choice for the nomination.
39. Voters donated money, goods and services to select a nominee, and were defrauded by
Obama’s obfuscations. Obama clearly shows consciousness of guilt by his actions by
posting a forged birth certificate on his website, and by and the falsifications he told to
cover his loss of citizenship.
40. Obama proclaims himself a Constitutional scholar and lecturer, but did not learn he had
no eligibility to become President except by means of obfuscations and deceptions.
41. The injunctive relief must be granted because failing to do so, this inaction defrauds
everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary for a nominee that is a fair representation
of the voters. Failure to grant injunctive relief would allow a corrupted, fraudulent
nomination process to continue.
42. It not only allows, but promotes an overwhelming degree of disrespect and creates
such a lack of confidence in voters of the primary process itself, so that it would cement a
prevailing belief that no potential candidate has to obey the laws of this country, respect
our election process, follow the Constitution, or even suffer any consequence for lying
and defrauding voters to get onto the ballot when they have no chance of serving if they
fraudulently manage to get elected.
43. If declaratory and injunctive relief is not given, it would be extremely unfair to the
country for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question
as to the nominee’s eligibility to serve if elected.
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44. As stated above, Plaintiff as well as Democratic American Citizens will suffer Irreparable
Harm if Declaratory and Injunctive relief is not granted. Plaintiff does not have any other
way of redress regarding these very significant and important issues.
45. The DNC has failed Plaintiff and the Democratic American Citizens by their failure to
perform due diligence and inquire into Obama’s eligibility to run for Office of the
President.
COUNT ONE
VIOLATION OF THE
UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION,
ARTICLE II, SECTION I
46. Plaintiff hereby incorporates Paragraphs 1 through 45 as if fully set forth herein.
47. The United States Constitution, Article II, Section I, Clause 4, Qualifications,
Office of President, states:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of
thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the
United States."
48. Obama’s failure to maintain his United States Citizenship makes him ineligible
to run for Office of the President.
49. Obama, if born in Kenya would have made him a citizen of Kenya.
Furthermore, because of the 1940 Naturalization Act, June 1952, Obama’s
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mother would have had to be nineteen (19) in order for Obama to be a
“natural born” United States citizenship upon registration of his birth.
Obama’s mother was only eighteen (18) when she birthed Obama and
therefore was not old enough to meet the residency requirements under our laws
at the time of Obama’s birth and be able to register her son’s birth as a
“natural born” citizen.
50. Even if Obama would have been able to be registered as a “natural born” citizen
in Hawaii, he lost his citizenship in the United States when his mother
married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and then took Obama to
Indonesia and set up residency with her new husband.
51. Obama’s mother could have regained her and Obama’s United States
Citizenship status when she divorced her husband, Lolo Soetoro and moved back
to Hawaii. However, in order to regain her citizenship in the United States she
would have had to take the oath of allegiance, which would have been recorded.
Obama’s mother never did take the oath of allegiance to regain her citizenship in
the United States.
52. Moreover, Obama could have regained his citizenship in the United States when
he turned eighteen (18), again by taking the oath of allegiance that would have
been recorded. However, Obama failed to do so.
53. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect
the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic
Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the
Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the
President under the
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qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC has failed to inquire
into Obama’s eligibility status.
54. For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately supply a
certified copy of his oath of allegiance proving he regained his United States
Citizenship. In addition, Obama needs to furnish a certified copy of his
Certificate of Live Birth to further prove he was born in Hawaii as he claims.
However, if Obama is unable to supply a certified record of his oath of
allegiance, he needs to immediately step down and withdrawal his candidacy for
President.
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully prays that this Court:
A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry
Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a
Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office of the President under
the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
B. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein
Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a
Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of
the President;
C. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic
Committee from nominating Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry
Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a
Barack Dunham as the Democratic Nominee;
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D. Award Plaintiff such costs and fees pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988
and other applicable by law; and
E. Grant Plaintiff such other and further relief as the Court deems just
and proper.
COUNT TWO
DUAL CITIZENSHIP
55. Plaintiff hereby incorporates Paragraphs 1 through 54 as if fully set forth herein.
56. From the beginning of our Constitution, our forefathers inferred a person running
for Office of the President could not have divided loyalties. This was a result of
people coming from England to the United States who owed loyalties to both
England and the United States. Our forefather’s did not want a person with dual
loyalties to be able to secure the position as President of the United States.
57. This inference is taken from Article II, Section I, which plainly states
qualifications for Office of the President must be a “natural born” citizen.
58. The United States President cannot run our Country and have responsibilities
and obligations owed to other countries.
59. Obama is not eligible to run for Office of the United States President as his
mother failed to regain her citizenship after her divorce to Lolo Soetoro, a citizen
of Indonesia, when Obama was a minor and Obama himself failed to regain his
United States Citizenship when he turned eighteen (18). Therefore, Obama is not
a “natural born” citizen.
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60. Furthermore, Obama is well aware he is not a United States Citizen and does
not qualify as a “natural born” citizen. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at
which time he was twenty (20) years old and used his Indonesian Passport, not a
United States Passport.
61. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect
the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic
Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision
and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the President under the
qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC has failed to inquire
into Obama’s eligibility status.
62. For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately step down
and withdrawal his candidacy for Presidency.
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully prays that this Court:
A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry
Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a
Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office of the President under
the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
B. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein
Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a
Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of
the President;
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C. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic
Committee from nominating Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry
Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a
Barack Dunham as the Democratic Nominee;
D. Award Plaintiff such costs and fees pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988
and other applicable by law; and
E. Grant Plaintiff such other and further relief as the Court deems just
and proper.
COUNT THREE
FRAUD
63. Plaintiff hereby incorporates Paragraphs 1 through 62 as if fully set forth herein.
64. Obama committed Fraud upon Plaintiff and the American Citizens by running
for President claiming to be eligible knowing he was not eligible as a result of
his failure to regain his United States Citizenship and by maintaining multi
citizenships with Kenya and Indonesia.
65. Obama further committed Fraud upon Plaintiff and the American people by
falsifying information on his Illinois State Bar Registration and Public
Disciplinary Record. Obama stated on his Application to the State Bar of
Illinois, as proven by the Illinois State Bar Registration and Disciplinary
Record, stating he never used any other names. Obama signed his
application/registration for the Illinois State Bar under the penalty of perjury
knowing the information to be false. The fact of the matter is Obama used the
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name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia and was registered as a citizen of Indonesia on
his school records. Obama further used the name Barry Obama and it is further
believed Obama used the name Barack and/or Barry Dunham.
66. Obama attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American people by allowing an
altered and forged Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to be placed on his
campaign website. Obama was well aware the Government issued COLB was altered
and forged as the original document was in the name of Maya Kasandra Soetoro born
in 1970. Maya Kassandra Soetoro Obama’s half sister who was born in Indonesia
and her birth was later registered in Hawaii. The altered and forged COLB is still on
Obama’s campaign website located at
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
67. Obama further attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American People by
claiming to be a United States Citizen, knowing this information to be false.
Obama is well aware when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of
Indonesia and took up residency in Indonesia with Obama, they both
naturalized in Indonesia expatriating their United States Citizenship. Obama’s
mother failed to regain her citizenship after her divorce to Lolo Soetoro, when
Obama was a minor and Obama himself failed to regain his United States
Citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance, which is recorded when he turned
eighteen (18) years.
68. Furthermore, Obama is well aware he is not a United States Citizen and does
not qualify as a “natural born” citizen. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at
69.
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which time he was twenty (20) years old and used his Indonesian Passport, not a
United States passport.
70. Moreover, as stated above, Obama was registered in School in Jakarta,
Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, born in 1961 in Hawaii and his
religion was registered as Islam.
71. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect
the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic
Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the
Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the
President under the qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC
has failed to inquire into Obama’s eligibility status.
72. For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately step down
and withdrawal his candidacy for Presidency.
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully prays that this Court:
A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry
Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a
Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office of the President under
the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
B. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein
Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a
Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of
the President;
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C. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic
Committee from nominating Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry
Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a
Barack Dunham as the Democratic Nominee;
D. Award Plaintiff such costs and fees pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988
and other applicable by law; and
E. Grant Plaintiff such other and further relief as the Court deems just
and proper.
Respectfully submitted,
s/ Philip J. Berg
___________________________
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
Attorney in Pro Se
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Identification No. 09867
(610) 825-3134
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
َأُبَارِكُ مُبَارِكِيكَ وَأَلْعَنُ لاعِنِيكَ، وَتَتَبَارَكُ فِيكَ جَمِيعُ أُمَمِ الأَرْضِ »
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Pretzelogical on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:14 pm

The Process Server that was hired by Berg was successful today in serving Obama his summons at 1:00 and the Democratic Committee at 12:00.


Do you have a link on that?
And is there a link about the connection between Berg and Clinton?

You guys are great! I emailed the document to a friend, and she wrote back "that is old news", "a lie", "a rumor"...same ole liberal media making her into a zombie! - the body snatchers replaced my friend with a pod people overnight! ugh! I emailed back the date on the document and told her to "wake up!" hahaha

If this hits the news overseas and the blogosphere, then how will our biased media handle it? Jump on the Hilary bandwagon right away?
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:17 pm

Just saw his school record from Indonesia. Interesting.

His name: Barry Soetoro
His nationality: Indonesian
His place of birth: Hawaii
His religion: Islam

Is it just me or does anyone else have the hair on the back of their necks standing up?
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
َأُبَارِكُ مُبَارِكِيكَ وَأَلْعَنُ لاعِنِيكَ، وَتَتَبَارَكُ فِيكَ جَمِيعُ أُمَمِ الأَرْضِ »
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:20 pm

Pretzelogical wrote:
The Process Server that was hired by Berg was successful today in serving Obama his summons at 1:00 and the Democratic Committee at 12:00.


Do you have a link on that?
And is there a link about the connection between Berg and Clinton?

You guys are great! I emailed the document to a friend, and she wrote back "that is old news", "a lie", "a rumor"...same ole liberal media making her into a zombie! - the body snatchers replaced my friend with a pod people overnight! ugh! I emailed back the date on the document and told her to "wake up!" hahaha

If this hits the news overseas and the blogosphere, then how will our biased media handle it? Jump on the Hilary bandwagon right away?


Pretzy, hang on a minute I am desperately trying to copy and paste links but my puter (or my ignorance) is not cooperating. All you have to do is Google "Obama Berg Served" and you will get a zillion links.

I'll try to copy again, but (sigh) I am such a puter nincompoop...
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
َأُبَارِكُ مُبَارِكِيكَ وَأَلْعَنُ لاعِنِيكَ، وَتَتَبَارَكُ فِيكَ جَمِيعُ أُمَمِ الأَرْضِ »
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:21 pm

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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
َأُبَارِكُ مُبَارِكِيكَ وَأَلْعَنُ لاعِنِيكَ، وَتَتَبَارَكُ فِيكَ جَمِيعُ أُمَمِ الأَرْضِ »
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby finallyfree73 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:03 pm

Thanks SueAnn for posting the contents! Guess I have some reading to do!
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby GodsStudent on Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:15 pm

I called the phone number posted for the Law Offices of Phillip Berg (as listed on the above complaint to the court). It was an after hours call, and I got a recorded message that confirmed this number is for the Law Offices of Phillip J. Berg.

I read legal documents all day every day. Since the laws are not the same from state to state (as to the preparation and presentation of documents filed in the courts), for the above person who asked for an attorney's opinion on the documents being "legit," I will say that though it at times reads as a journalistic news report, it does have language similar or necessary for a true civil procedure, and it very well could be real. It would take a Pennsylvania attorney to attest to the "form" of the document. The allegations and complaints set forth, the remedies sought by the Plaintiff...its in there...the key would be to know PA requirements and "set up" of the Complaint, and that would take a PA attorney.

WOW! :shock:
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:44 pm

finallyfree73 wrote:Thanks SueAnn for posting the contents! Guess I have some reading to do!


You are very welcome!
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:45 pm

GodsStudent wrote:I called the phone number posted for the Law Offices of Phillip Berg (as listed on the above complaint to the court). It was an after hours call, and I got a recorded message that confirmed this number is for the Law Offices of Phillip J. Berg.

I read legal documents all day every day. Since the laws are not the same from state to state (as to the preparation and presentation of documents filed in the courts), for the above person who asked for an attorney's opinion on the documents being "legit," I will say that though it at times reads as a journalistic news report, it does have language similar or necessary for a true civil procedure, and it very well could be real. It would take a Pennsylvania attorney to attest to the "form" of the document. The allegations and complaints set forth, the remedies sought by the Plaintiff...its in there...the key would be to know PA requirements and "set up" of the Complaint, and that would take a PA attorney.

WOW! :shock:


Thank you, God'sStudent. Hopefully a Pennsylvania attorney will be brave enough to answer our questions in this forum.
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby YoungLion on Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:35 pm

Berg fears that the Republicans already have all the evidence, and that they will use it in October. The chaos will allow them to cinch the election... or that's his concern. Didn't Hillary simply suspend her campaign? This seems pretty big. Are there no real journalists left? Why is this not being broadcast like crazy? Hahahahah, yeah, I know the answer to that. Corporate media is controlled by elites. We're told what they want us to hear and when. Surprise! If Obama's candidacy is scuttled, Hillary will try to take back the stage... but wouldn't 24 hour coverage of an attack on Iran dominate the news cycle? We'd be at war, the Democrats wouldn't be able to get any media time, and McCain would take the White House without a fight. It would all be coincidence, of course... yeah, that's it.... coincidence.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Swayde on Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:38 am

YoungLion wrote:Berg fears that the Republicans already have all the evidence, and that they will use it in October. The chaos will allow them to cinch the election... or that's his concern. Didn't Hillary simply suspend her campaign? This seems pretty big. Are there no real journalists left? Why is this not being broadcast like crazy? Hahahahah, yeah, I know the answer to that. Corporate media is controlled by elites. We're told what they want us to hear and when. Surprise! If Obama's candidacy is scuttled, Hillary will try to take back the stage... but wouldn't 24 hour coverage of an attack on Iran dominate the news cycle? We'd be at war, the Democrats wouldn't be able to get any media time, and McCain would take the White House without a fight. It would all be coincidence, of course... yeah, that's it.... coincidence.



The media silence on this is rather eerie. I'd think the liberal media would, at the very least, be slinging tons of mud at Berg and trying to completely discredit him. The silence on the matter, from everyone, makes me wonder if it's in fact true. Berg sure does make it seem all true.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:10 pm

Swayde wrote:
YoungLion wrote:Berg fears that the Republicans already have all the evidence, and that they will use it in October. The chaos will allow them to cinch the election... or that's his concern. Didn't Hillary simply suspend her campaign? This seems pretty big. Are there no real journalists left? Why is this not being broadcast like crazy? Hahahahah, yeah, I know the answer to that. Corporate media is controlled by elites. We're told what they want us to hear and when. Surprise! If Obama's candidacy is scuttled, Hillary will try to take back the stage... but wouldn't 24 hour coverage of an attack on Iran dominate the news cycle? We'd be at war, the Democrats wouldn't be able to get any media time, and McCain would take the White House without a fight. It would all be coincidence, of course... yeah, that's it.... coincidence.



The media silence on this is rather eerie. I'd think the liberal media would, at the very least, be slinging tons of mud at Berg and trying to completely discredit him. The silence on the matter, from everyone, makes me wonder if it's in fact true. Berg sure does make it seem all true.


I have gone to several dozen websites to see if there is any new information out there. The media is silent but it is amazing how much "mud" is being slung by readers who post their opinion on these websites. Some are trying their best to set up Berg as a nutcase at best, a repeat filer of political "frou-frou" lawsuits...for which I have been completely unable to find a shread of evidence.
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby 4Jesus4ever on Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:08 pm

Umm..
I just looked on the site, and found this.. Just thought it was interesting.

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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:27 pm

4Jesus4ever wrote:Umm..
I just looked on the site, and found this.. Just thought it was interesting.

Link


4Jesus4ever,

I can help you understand the request at that link by putting it in its proper chronological setting.

Here's what happened:

8/21/08 - Attorney Berg begins his lawsuit by filing the original papers. He requests, and receives, summons for the 3 Defendants, Obama, the Democratic commission and the Federal Election Committee. Of these 3 summons isuued by the court, Berg was only able to have one of them served, the FEC.

8/22/08 - The FEC is officially served their summons. (see above).

8/27/08 - The Federal Judge denied the Temporary Restaining Order request (which is the "immediate" part of the lawsuit) because the summonses had not yet been served to all the parties. The judge told Berg to come back to court after all the summonses had been served, and he would be happy to hear the case.

9/2/08 - Berg files a request to have the summons reissued. (4Jesus 4ever, this is what the document at your link is.)

9/4/08 - Berg's Process Servers were finally able to hand the summons to Obama and the Democratic National Committee.

Now we wait for the legal amount of days that a Plaintiff has to respond to the charges through the court system. I have heard, but I am not positive, that they have 30 calender days to respond to the court. If there is no response, they lose the lawsuit by default. I seriously doubt this will happen, there is too much at stake.

If Obama has absolutely clear and legal proof that he is in fact a natural born American citizen, my guess is that he would have his attorneys submit it to the court lickety-split to get this citizenship "monkey" off his back. Every day that goes by without hearing anything causes me to wonder if there is no legal proof and therefore his attorneys are creating a song-and-dance-routine to try to get out of this lawsuit.
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وَقَالَ الرَّبُّ لأَبْرَامَ: «اتْرُكْ أَرْضَكَ وَعَشِيرَتَكَ وَبَيْتَ أَبِيكَ وَاذْهَبْ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُرِيكَ،
فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:12 am

Update:

Berg v. Obama, et al. Civil Case No. 08-cv-04083

Answers are due from the various parties to the lawsuite as follows:

Barrack Obama September 24, 2008;

DNC: September 24, 2008 and

FEC: October 21, 2008 (Federal and Government Employees and Entities have sixty (60) days)
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فَأَجْعَلَ مِنْكَ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً وَأُبَارِكَكَ وَأُعَظِّمَ اسْمَكَ، وَتَكُونَ بَرَكَةً (لِكَثِيرِينَ).
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Pretzelogical on Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:59 pm

Oct. 21st is just two weeks before the election.
I said it before, I am watching Hillary who never quits!

I suspect the media will make this *circus* the only news, so we need to keep an eye on what the real news is that day. So far, this is all I have on the calendar.
Oct. 21st is the Inaugural Celebration for the LHC (collider)
Oct. 21st is the Day of Assembling for the last/eighth day of the Feast of Sukkot.

What else is up that day?*
*Please put your dental appt. sticker on your calendar at home and we'll just have to be content with your best smile.
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So, please let me know Wzup!
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby SueAnn on Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:40 pm

http://obamacrimes.com/

Upsdates on Obama lawsuit:

Wednesday, 24 September 2008 22:46

Obama & DNC Hide Behind Legal Issues While Betraying Public in not Producing a Certified Copy of Obama’s “Vault” Birth Certificate and Oath of Allegiance
Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 09/24/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion to Dismiss on the last day to file a response, for the obvious purpose of delaying Court action in the case of Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by delaying the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama was “natural born.”

It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.



DNC Chairperson Howard Dean should resign as he has not and is not fulfilling his responsibility of seeing that a “qualified” candidate is on the ballot as the Democratic candidate for President of the United States.

Berg stated that a response will be made in the next few days to their Motion to
Dismiss.

Our website obamacrimes.com now has 15.1 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers and radio and TV stations.

Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.

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Saturday, 27 September 2008 13:39
On Thursday September 24th, 2008 Senator Obama and the Democratic National Committee filed a motion to dismiss the Berg vs. Obama lawsuit on the basis that the Court does not have jurisdiction because Mr. Berg "lacks standing to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for President of the United States."
Senator Obama and the Democratic National Committee claim in the accompanying brief that any harm done to Mr. Berg "would adversely affect only the generalized interest of all citizens in constitutional governance" and, therefore, Mr. Berg, as an individual voter "does not have standing based on harm he would suffer." (The complete motion and brief as filed with the Court is attached below.)

Mr. Berg is preparing a response opposing the dismissal which will be presented to the Court over the next few days. At the time of filing, the Court granted preliminary standing. The Court is expected to review the Obama / DNC motion for dismissal and the Berg response quickly. The Court may hold a hearing before issuing a final ruling on standing.

The Motion for Dismissal states:

Pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6), defendants Democratic National Committee and Senator Barack Obama respectfully move the Court for an order dismissing the Complaint on the grounds that this Court lacks subject-matter jurisdiction over the claim asserted and that the Complaint fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.

Berg files opposition to defense motion for dismissal
Monday, 29 September 2008 18:54
Philip J. Berg filed a response this afternoon to the motion for dismissal filed last week in Berg vs. Obama by Senator Obama and the Democratic National Committee. The response "PLAINTIFF’S OPPOSITION AND BRIEF IN SUPPORT THEREOF TO DEFENDANT’S, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE’S, MOTION TO DISMISS PLAINTIFF’S COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6)" asserts that, the defendants' argument to the contrary, Mr. Berg has standing to pursue the case.

Mr. Berg provides precedents which he argues establish his standing and petitions the Court to deny dismissal and order the defendants to produce the documents in the previously requested discovery.

The conclusion of Mr. Berg's brief reads:

Plaintiff served discovery in way of Admissions and Request for Production of Documents, on Defendants on September 15, 2008 and has attempted to obtain verification of Obama’s eligibility through Subpoenas to the Government entities and the Hospital’s in Hawaii. To date, Plaintiff has not received the requested discovery from the Defendants and two (2) of the locations, which subpoenas were served upon, refused to honor the subpoena.
For the above aforementioned reasons, Plaintiff respectfully request Defendants Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee’s Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) be denied and order immediate discovery, including but not limited to: 1) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate; and (2) a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship; and (3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority. If the Court is inclined to grant Defendants motion, Plaintiff respectfully requests the opportunity to amend his Complaint pursuant to the findings of this Honorable Court.
The complete filing is attached. Due to a problem with the Electronic Filing System, the filing was made via fax and will appear in PACER later this evening or on Tuesday.

Berg Confident Obama & DNC Motion To Dismiss Will Be Defeated
Tuesday, 30 September 2008 10:11
Berg Filed an Answer Sept. 29th, 2008

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 09/29/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he filed his Opposition and Brief to Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] Joint Motion to Dismiss in the case of Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg feels confident that he has “Standing” and the Court will allow the case to go forward. Our response was due in 14 days, but the Court requested our answer by Monday, September 29, 2008 and we complied.
In our response we set forth sufficient reasons that I have “Standing” to bring this lawsuit. Furthermore, I set forth additional reasons that indicate Obama does not meet the qualifications for President of the United States and Obama should be removed from the ballot and held accountable.

Our website obamacrimes.com has received 17.1 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers and radio and TV stations.
Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.

For copies of all court pleadings, go to obamacrimes.com.

ALERT: Contrary to Internet Rumor, No Court Ruling Yet On Obama / DNC Motion to Dismiss in Berg v. Obama
Wednesday, 01 October 2008 23:50
I received a phone call from Phil J. Berg a few minutes ago. He informed me that a rumor is circulating on the Internet that the Court has ruled on the Motion to Dismiss filed by Senator Obama and the Democratic National Committee in the Berg v. Obama case. Some of the visitors to this website have posted comments claiming the Court has ruled. The comments on this site were written by visitors to the site.

On Mr. Berg's behalf, I am posting this to state clearly the Court has not yet ruled on the Motion to Dismiss in Berg v. Obama.

Here's the status:

Last week Senator Obama and the Democratic National Committee filed a Motion to Dismiss the Berg v. Obama lawsuit.
On Monday, Mr. Berg filed an answer requesting that the suit not be dismissed and that the Court order production of documents proving Senator Obama's consitutional qualifications to serve as President of The United States.
As of 1 AM EST today, October 2nd, 2008, the Court has not ruled on the Motion for Dismissal in Berg v. Obama.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby FreeInHim on Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:01 pm

This is so insane. The media blackout on this is outrageous! :verymad:
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby BeTheMoon on Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:07 am

Pretzelogical wrote:Do not forget, the Clintons never lose! I am watching for this to become an issue at just the right time. This lawyer would have all of the Clinton machine to back him up! Hilary on the ticket at the last minute would *steal* the election, in my opinion.



Very interesting! I've wondered why Hilary "suspended" her campaign while everyone just ended theirs. If Obama is ousted she can fill the gap.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby aaron on Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:02 am

The last campaign finance report I heard on the eve. news stated that Obama had raised a record 66 million in one month. I believe it would have been the month of August, but I could find out for sure.

I'm sure the Obama team and the DNC could easily settle with this man out of court for say, 20 million, to keep him quiet.
Unless this guy has a vendetta against Obama, then Obama is probably shaking in his boots.

Obama off the DNC ticket would be the Change We Can Believe In!
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Swayde on Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:04 am

I am appalled that the DNC and Obama can even claim that a single voter, regardless of who that person is, has insufficient standing to question a potential president and his/her qualifications?????? What the heck???!!!! How can that possibly be a valid reason to request a dismissal????? How can it possibly NOT be in this country's best interest to find out beyond a reason of doubt if Mr. Obama is in fact a legal candidate?

I am finding this entire situation extremely disturbing. The fact that NOBODY is reporting on this at all is very bothersome. This is total insanity.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby burien1 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:31 am

Sean Hannity is the only one on TV that would possibly expose it. He`s doing a show tonight on Obama`s ties to a palestinian supporter. It was Hannity that forced the other networks to have to report on the Jeremiah Wright controversy. [tonight =Oct.5,2008]
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby aaron on Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:37 am

Perhaps we should ask Hillary what her thoughts are on Obama being disqualified. :humm:
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby thundr on Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:53 pm

Why would he want it dismissed if he doesn't have anything to hide is my thinking on this. Really how difficult is it to produce the documents if he really has them.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby kazbo on Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:13 pm

Why would he want it dismissed if he doesn't have anything to hide is my thinking on this. Really how difficult is it to produce the documents if he really has them.


Excellent point. Just show the birth certificate and put it to rest.

I'm flabbergasted that this is so under the radar. Shouldn't someone somewhere in the government be making it a top priority to make sure *all* the people running for President are legally qualified to do so?
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Postby BeTheMoon on Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:20 pm

burien1 wrote:Sean Hannity is the only one on TV that would possibly expose it. He`s doing a show tonight on Obama`s ties to a palestinian supporter. It was Hannity that forced the other networks to have to report on the Jeremiah Wright controversy. [tonight =Oct.5,2008]



Thanks for informing us about this show, burien1. I'm watching it now. So far, it confirms the danger of a Obama White House.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby D4Christ on Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:06 am

kazbo wrote:
Why would he want it dismissed if he doesn't have anything to hide is my thinking on this. Really how difficult is it to produce the documents if he really has them.


Excellent point. Just show the birth certificate and put it to rest.

I'm flabbergasted that this is so under the radar. Shouldn't someone somewhere in the government be making it a top priority to make sure *all* the people running for President are legally qualified to do so?



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“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby jgilberAZ on Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:48 am

Photoshop.

Please produce a certified paper document.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/P ... /12932.htm

I can provide links showing it's forged. You can provide links showing it isn't.

While we could go round and round, the easiest thing to clear it all up would be for Mr. Obama to produce an actual, physical, certified paper document. Why won't he do so?
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby D4Christ on Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:09 am

jgilberAZ wrote:Photoshop.

Please produce a certified paper document.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/P ... /12932.htm

I can provide links showing it's forged. You can provide links showing it isn't.

While we could go round and round, the easiest thing to clear it all up would be for Mr. Obama to produce an actual, physical, certified paper document. Why won't he do so?


Right. The source of the certificate is Obama's site itself and the info following comes from FactCheck.org.

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We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.


So far they have proven to be a reputable organization out of one the best universities in the country...my home state Pennsylvania. I suppose a forged birth certificate is worth U of P risking their reputation on, not to mention Obama's credibility. Tell you what...I will contact Obama's people and they will contact your people and we will see if they can run a copy of that certificate over to your house. But if your case is to make Obama out to be a "liar" and the "devil" then lets not bother...it'll just be a waste of time. Agreed?
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby jgilberAZ on Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:34 am

D4Christ wrote:... if your case is to make Obama out to be a "liar" and the "devil" then lets not bother...it'll just be a waste of time. Agreed?


My desire is to know the truth, that's all. I have no personal vendetta against Mr. Obama. I just want verification that he meets the qualifications the United States Constitution says a president must meet. Is that really asking too much?

But, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. We can debate until we're blue in the face and never reach a consensus. Therefore, I'll wait to see what the court decides, and accept their conclusion either way.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby thundr on Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:00 pm

Factcheck.org's impartiality is called into question when you realize that the Annenberg Political Fact Check is owned by the same people who owned Chicago Annenberg Challenge which Obama chaired.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby sherrimae on Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:06 pm

My husband is retired military, and one of the documents that he always hand carried to a new assignment was certified copies of our birth certificates in case we needed them. A certified copy of one's birth certificate is very easy to get. It would be so much easier for Obama to get one than to fight a lawsuit. Which makes me think that he must not have one that would prove he is a US citizen. He doesn't need to have the original certificate - a certified copy would be sufficient. I think something is very wrong here.
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Postby jgilberAZ on Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:48 pm

http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cf ... 3380&rfi=6

Berg's suit claims the senator's grandmother, brother and sister, who live in Kenya, believe they were present during Obama's birth in the African country.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Swayde on Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:51 am

sherrimae wrote:My husband is retired military, and one of the documents that he always hand carried to a new assignment was certified copies of our birth certificates in case we needed them. A certified copy of one's birth certificate is very easy to get. It would be so much easier for Obama to get one than to fight a lawsuit. Which makes me think that he must not have one that would prove he is a US citizen. He doesn't need to have the original certificate - a certified copy would be sufficient. I think something is very wrong here.



That blows my mind too. I've had to reacquire my son's twice, without any problems. I also had to send away for my husband's before we could go on a cruise for our honeymoon and that was simple too.

I am still blown away that they are trying to dismiss the case based on a lack of standing by the lawyer. That truly frightens me. To say that any person has more rights than another based on their standing (presidential candidate vs. a lawyer) is a really, really scary thing.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby D4Christ on Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:47 am

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Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.


Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
It isn't signed.
No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.

In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
The certificate number is blacked out.
The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

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...Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.


We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby BeTheMoon on Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:25 am

sherrimae wrote:My husband is retired military, and one of the documents that he always hand carried to a new assignment was certified copies of our birth certificates in case we needed them. A certified copy of one's birth certificate is very easy to get. It would be so much easier for Obama to get one than to fight a lawsuit. Which makes me think that he must not have one that would prove he is a US citizen. He doesn't need to have the original certificate - a certified copy would be sufficient. I think something is very wrong here.



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Excellent points, sherrimae. Something is wrong here.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Swayde on Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:46 am

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume the birth certificate is real and a not a forgery... What about this?...

3. Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, the Obama must meet the
Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which is he must be
a “natural born” citizen. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen. Just to
name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an
Indonesian citizen and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s
mother naturalized in Indonesia and Obama followed her naturalization, as he was a
minor and in the custody of his mother. Obama failed to take the oath of allegiance when
he turned eighteen (18) years to regain his United States Citizenship status.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby D4Christ on Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:36 am

Swayde wrote:Just for the sake of argument, let's assume the birth certificate is real and a not a forgery... What about this?...

3. Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, the Obama must meet the
Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which is he must be
a “natural born” citizen. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen. Just to
name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an
Indonesian citizen and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s
mother naturalized in Indonesia and Obama followed her naturalization, as he was a
minor and in the custody of his mother. Obama failed to take the oath of allegiance when
he turned eighteen (18) years to regain his United States Citizenship status.


For the sake of agrument I am curious....can you point me to the source of this quote. Thanks.

Now as to Obama not being "natural born"...do you mean as not being born on the US continent. Even McCain was not born in the US. And to my knowlege, once born to an Amerian, one cannot then loose citizenship because of what your parents do. The fact is the birth certificate reads, "Department of Health, Hawaii USA." Can you please point me to a government source that states when one turns 18, they must take an oath. I would be curious to know since my own young son has 3 citizenships he can claim.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby jgilberAZ on Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:52 am

That picture, above, does look genuine. And, the newspaper birth announcement does add credence to it.

I'd still like to wait for the official conclusions from the legal system, however, before making a final determination.

But, thanks for posting that, D4Christ ... it does help.

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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby bchandler on Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:56 pm

Firstly, I noted that some of the text on that birth certificate image looks photo shopped... some of it is too dark and too clear and appears to be a laser print font rather than a type written font. In fact... looking at this document again.. .all of the text appears to be laser printed... which would not have been possible in 1961... since the laser printer wasn't invented yet.

Secondly... If Barak's mother gave up her citizenship and became an indonesian citizen then Barak as a minor also lost his US citizenship.

Barak could have reclaimed his citizenship when he became 18, by simply filing the correct paperwork and taking the oath of allegiance... which there is no record he or his mother ever did... which if true... still means that Barak Obama is a citizen of Indonesia.

Barak also traveled to Kenya... I believe at age 21... and at that time he traveled as an Indonesian citizen... on an Indonesian passport... which means even IF he was born in Hawaii... Barak has some serious problems to address.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby JayCee on Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:04 am

bchandler wrote:Firstly, I noted that some of the text on that birth certificate image looks photo shopped... some of it is too dark and too clear and appears to be a laser print font rather than a type written font. In fact... looking at this document again.. .all of the text appears to be laser printed... which would not have been possible in 1961... since the laser printer wasn't invented yet.


I agree... if you look at the typed wording each has lines of dots vaguely around them like a cut and paste job and the pattern on the paper doesn't continue consistantly 'underneath' the typed areas.

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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby Swayde on Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:29 am

D4Christ wrote:
Swayde wrote:Just for the sake of argument, let's assume the birth certificate is real and a not a forgery... What about this?...

3. Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, the Obama must meet the
Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which is he must be
a “natural born” citizen. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen. Just to
name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an
Indonesian citizen and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s
mother naturalized in Indonesia and Obama followed her naturalization, as he was a
minor and in the custody of his mother. Obama failed to take the oath of allegiance when
he turned eighteen (18) years to regain his United States Citizenship status.


For the sake of agrument I am curious....can you point me to the source of this quote. Thanks.

Now as to Obama not being "natural born"...do you mean as not being born on the US continent. Even McCain was not born in the US. And to my knowlege, once born to an Amerian, one cannot then loose citizenship because of what your parents do. The fact is the birth certificate reads, "Department of Health, Hawaii USA." Can you please point me to a government source that states when one turns 18, they must take an oath. I would be curious to know since my own young son has 3 citizenships he can claim.


That quote is from the lawsuit.
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Re: Obama legally challenged on presidential run

Postby D4Christ on Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:27 am

bchandler wrote:Firstly, I noted that some of the text on that birth certificate image looks photo shopped... some of it is too dark and too clear and appears to be a laser print font rather than a type written font. In fact... looking at this document again.. .all of the text appears to be laser printed... which would not have been possible in 1961... since the laser printer wasn't invented yet.


Wow, then the people from FactCheck.org must really want to risk their reputations and credibility just to support Obama? Nothing that is scanned or put on the internet as a photo nowadays looks real. Your best bet is to visit his Chicago office yourself and examine the paper since you seem to think this conspiracy is the largest in history (which it would have to be to have so many people turn a blind eye to a fake certificate).

I am also sure that Barack's certificate is a certified copy, in which case of course it would have new technology. I saw my original once and it was ready to fall apart. Obama, who is older than I would surely have to get his "orginal" lamenated to keep it together.

Secondly... If Barak's mother gave up her citizenship and became an indonesian citizen then Barak as a minor also lost his US citizenship.


And your proof is what? I did some minor research on the web yesterday and read that one of the prerequsites for becoming an Indonesian citizen is that you can only do so if you do not give up your citizenshop of your country of origin. So which US document did you read that says if you are born as an American you loose your citizenship if your parents immigrate elsewhere?

Barak could have reclaimed his citizenship when he became 18, by simply filing the correct paperwork and taking the oath of allegiance... which there is no record he or his mother ever did... which if true... still means that Barak Obama is a citizen of Indonesia.


Why would Barack have to take an oath of allegiance if he has an American birth certificate? Please enlighten me and show me which US document states that?

Barak also traveled to Kenya... I believe at age 21... and at that time he traveled as an Indonesian citizen... on an Indonesian passport... which means even IF he was born in Hawaii... Barak has some serious problems to address.


I suggest you check out our governments citizen/immigration website. A natural born citizen...that would be Obama...with his Hawaiian birth certificate in hand cannot be denaturalized. As for traveling on his Indonesain passport...it was probably easier than flashing an American passport and going thru immigration. I did it for my child who has both American and Canadian citizenship. When going into Canada he uses the Canadian passport and vice versa when coming back American. Less lines and probing. I was told by immigration that the country you are travling to does not care which you flash, as long as it is legite.
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