Obama Chosen Per Kim Clement of N.A.R., 2010 Laws Changed

[chatty-kathi]

Recently, at Elijah’s List, http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/6302 , false prophet Chuck Pierce said on March 28, 2008, “NO Political Candidate is YET Wearing God's MANTLE for the Future!...I believe there will have to be a 21-day push in the Spirit, culminating on April 20, for us to see the atmosphere in our nation change...We must hear God's voice penetrate this nation so we make the shift in our future”.

On April 8, 2008, false prophet Kim Clement came in under the wire by giving a “prophecy” on Obama, “so we make the shift in our future”. I want to comment on two things I found especially significant in this “prophecy”.

First is the reference to Joel 2:28, when God will pour out his spirit on all flesh, claiming the Lord said “this is that time”. The context of this fulfillment is during the times of the supernatural manifestations in the earth and skies. Clement says God says the true warriors will be more than a million gathered at the Capitol who will sway justice. The N.A.R. (as well as Rick Warren, Promise Keepers, and Louis Farrakhan) has used that same number to describe an army of men, in this case they are referring to what they call Joel’s Army.

The “prophecy” says that two years from now, which will be 2010, when they hear the sounds of faith and unity, there will be "laws that will be changed in favor of the most High God". With this in mind, consider Daniel 7:25, And he (antichrist) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws… (Note: I am not saying the President will be the antichrist, but rather that possibly antichrist may be in control by then.)

The other important thing is what seems to be a change in rhetoric regarding their teachings about Joel’s Army, previously teaching that this is a spiritual battle against Satanic forces. Clement claims God is saying those who have built walls through denominations are abominations! These are contrasted with the true warriors, Joel’s Army, “I'm speaking of the true warriors that shall sway the political field; that will sway the justice. It shall be more than a million gathered." The previous paragraph explains there will be a sound of unity from the gatekeepers, the spiritual leaders God has raised up - "The gatekeepers (I am speaking of) of this nation are the spiritual leaders--the Apostles and the Prophets, the Teachers, the Evangelists, the Pastors."

The prophecy, Kim Clement: Steve Shultz on Kim's OBAMA word: "This is Not My 'Obama' Endorsement! It's Kim Clement's Prophecy Concerning Obama” is at http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/6340 and is preceded by a commentary by Steve Shultz and note by Clement’s assistant that you can read at the site. Here is Clement’s “prophecy” (emphasis added):

THE MIDDLE EAST

God says, "There is a sway in the political arena; a change in your political world. Enough of this discussion about Jeremiah Wright." God said, "This makes no difference. It is a spirit that has endeavored to rock and sway the people and to divide them." God said, "I will sway it next week. Yes, I will, and because of Pennsylvania, I will raise up the man I want," says the Lord, "to rule and to reign and to declare victory in the Middle East."

We declare victory in the Middle East tonight. We declare victory in America tonight.

For the Spirit of God says, "Hear, oh people of Zion. Those who have been afraid in Zion, those who have been afraid in this nation--fear not! For your news media has intimidated you, and therefore, it is My turn. Next week, I will arise. I will change everything."

"I'M TALKING ABOUT OBAMA"

For they have unfairly spoken against an African man, and I'm not talking about Jeremiah Wright; I'm talking about Obama. For God said, "Even though you may think this or that, there is an element of righteousness inside of him to reach out for Jesus. Therefore, I will sway it next week," says the Spirit of God, "and I will cause My man, My power--to exalt in the White House what is necessary to declare victory. For this time, I shall rise up and I shall make known who I am in a way that I have never done it in this nation," says the Lord.

"Do NOT SAY IT IS THIS ONE OR IT IS THAT ONE"

For the Spirit of God says, "Do not say, 'Is it this one or is it that one?' Hear me out. I am raising up My mantle, My voice. This nation shall be awakened to a spiritual activity that has been dead for 42 years. Listen to Me," says the Lord. "I will take over in a way and in a fashion that will bring a force of spiritual unity in this nation for the first time. You can believe it or not. I will take white and I will take African, and I will bring a unity in the Church between the two of them," says the Spirit of God.

This night in America and in this next week, God has informed us to "watch" as He unfolds and reveals things so you will know that your nation has not been set aside for division and discord; but a time in the Church where African-American, where white or Caucasian, where Hispanic and every race in this nation under the spiritual guidance of the Spirit within a midst of war and division--will bring them to a place of unity.

"IT SHALL NOT BE BLACK, IT SHALL NOT BE WHITE, IT SHALL NOT BE HISPANIC"

And God said, "Where one race stood on the steps and covered the fields with million-men marches and Jesus proclamations, there shall be one of the greatest gatherings at the Capitol that you have ever seen," says the Spirit of God. "This time it shall not be black, it shall not be white, it shall not be Hispanic, it shall not be from this or that belief, but there shall be a unified sound. Two years from now, where they will hear the sounds of faith and unity and within this next reign, there will be laws that will be changed in favor of the most High God. Not because of Democrat, not because of Republican, but because of spiritual unity and intervention. I will bring you out of what they call 'a recession' into your highest economy that you've ever had in your next four years," says the Spirit of God. "Do not think it impossible, for it shall be so."

"The gatekeepers (I am speaking of) of this nation are the spiritual leaders--the Apostles and the Prophets, the Teachers, the Evangelists, the Pastors."

"For the gatekeepers of this nation are not the Mayors nor the Senators. The gatekeepers of this nation are not the Congressmen or the Congresswomen. Yes, they are gatekeepers but the gatekeepers (I am speaking of) of this nation are the spiritual leaders--the Apostles and the Prophets, the Teachers, the Evangelists, the Pastors that I've raised up. And there shall be a sound of unity that will call from Heaven the manifestation of God as it has never been in this nation. Get ready for your sons and your daughters who will prophesy just like Joel said in the last days. In the last days your sons and your daughters, they shall be prophets and prophetesses and your old men shall dream dreams. Your young men shall have visions. This is that time," says the Lord of hosts.

"LET NOT YOUR OPINION CLOUD YOUR SPIRITUAL MIND"

"Let not your opinion cloud your spiritual mind. You say, 'What are you saying?'" The Spirit of God says, "Call them not denominations, rather abominations, for I am not speaking of these that have built walls. I'm speaking of the true warriors that shall sway the political field; that will sway the justice. It shall be more than a million gathered; more than a million gathered!" And God said, "They shall say, 'Washington, what is this? This is a sound that we have never heard before.'"

"I WILL TAKE THE OIL CRISIS AND BRING IT TO AN END"

And God said, "I will take the entire Northeast and I will shake it and the double portion that I promised upon the Elisha generation shall be released. Do not say we are in recession, for I will take the oil crisis and bring it to an end, and the rapidity of it shall take place because of the unity of the saints and the unity of the gatekeepers. Get ready, for what you have seen on the television regarding Jeremiah Wright and everybody else is not for evil, but for good. I will turn it around and bring unity in My house," says the Lord of Hosts.

"YOUR PRESENT PRESIDENT WILL NOT LEAVE HIS OFFICE OR HIS TERM IN SHAME"

"Your present President will not leave his office or his term in shame. There will be a very precise vindication of numerous things that were scorned, that were mocked by men, that thought they knew but understood nothing. And when the baton is handed over," God said, "there shall be no fear in the nation." Now take that and be secure.
I speak not as a politician tonight. I speak to you as a prophetic voice. Not tolerated, but celebrated by the people. Stand firm, you and your house will serve the Lord. And as the prophet Joel said in the last days, your sons and your daughters... sons and daughters are being raised up to prophesy and to have visions. Old men to dream the dreams. That mantle has been cast upon the Church. Therefore, I would say your time of acceleration has reached its peak. You're taking off!

[burien1]

That's putting it mildly in regards to what I think of Kim Clement as a prophet.

YSIC

[SueAnn]

I have seen Kim Clement on Trinity Broadcasting Network. My first impression of him was that he would make one heck of a carnival barker.


The Lord graced me with discernment the first night I caught Clement's "spiel". I cannot stand his sing-song prophecy delivery. His prophecies remind me of Nastrodamus, vague and easily applied to 49 out of 50 circumstances.

I always change the channel now if he is coming on.

[mark s]

The very fact that he sells his prophecies . . .

[chatty-kathi]

In reading the comments to my post about Kim Clement’s prophecy concerning Obama that I posted in U.S. Pres. Election 2008 and Apostasy, I am wondering if the post has actually been read.

In no way am I endorsing the apostate New Apostolic Reformation or Kim Clement. I called Kim Clement a false prophet, I italicized false prophet (“false prophet”), and I made reference to the previous false prophet, Chuck Pierce. I also posted this in the Apostasy section. Maybe I need to explain why, even though I have done this many times before.

I believe the New Apostolic Reformation is bringing many of the Pentecostals into the Emerging Church, whereas Rick Warren is bringing in many Evangelicals.

The fact that they are now endorsing Obama tells me that, in some way, they feel he resonates with their beliefs, just as Oprah endorses him, and I suspect she also believes that to be true. So, if Obama becomes President, and my suspicions are true, he may play an important part in end time events. I do not believe he is the Antichrist, as I stated in my post.

Because I believe Herb Peters may well be right in his end time scenario and that we may already be in the last seven years that began Jan. 1, 2007, I am watching to see how the pieces of the puzzle seem to be coming together to form the one world church. And, boy, are they ever!

So to see a date (2010) being used by someone being guided by Satan coinciding with the date that the AOD will be, if Herb is right, seems more than a coincidence to me.

And for reference to be made that there will also be a change in laws at that time (two years from now, 2010), would fit perfectly. Let’s break it down from Daniel 7:25:

And he (Antichrist) shall speak great words against the most High (when Antichrist declares he is God)

And shall wear out the saints of the most High (the coming persecution)

And think to change times and laws (laws regarding sacrifices, for one)

And they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3-l/2 years, which would be the mid point at 2010 if Herb is right, when Antichrist is revealed at the AOD)

This time frame fits exactly. What I am saying is I believe Satan, through the apostate N.A.R., is preparing the troops for the coming persecution that will begin after the AOD in 2010.

[Salty Skipper]

Why would you think that the post has not been read? I think it's pretty plain what your post said.

[Salty Skipper]

P. S. And I agree. It looks like what you are proposing could come to pass.

[burien1]

Am I losing it or are people posting on 2 threads about the same thing twice? Or posting the same thing 2 times on 2 threads ?

YSIC

[chatty-kathi]

I p.m.'d ACIB and asked if I could submit the same item on two separate forums and was told I could.

I did this because I felt it applied to both forums. I felt it was important, and didn't want it missed because someone only read the one forum.

[burien1]

Thanks for letting me know I haven't lost it yet.

P.S. I think all your posts here are important and greatly appreciate your diligence in warning your brothers and sisters.

YSIC

[chatty-kathi]

Salty Skipper said:

Why would you think that the post has not been read? I think it's pretty plain what your post said.

In my first sentence, I said it was because of the comments I was reading to my post. The comments were about Kim Clement instead of the article, so I thought I needed to clarify my post. I was not looking for a reaction to Kim Clement or the fact that the N.A.R. is heretical, and was afraid that I was being misunderstood, because that had happened to me previously when I had posted an article in Apostasy about the N.A.R.