Who'se Selecting Our President?

[crmann]

VOTE FRAUD AND THE G.O.P. CONVENTION DELEGATES

By: Devvy
February 25, 2008

2008 - NewsWithViews.com

Before I get into vote fraud, my mail box has been drowning in e-mail from Americans who are very alarmed about Barack Obama. Not all, of course. One man said in his e-mail that he didn't believe what I wrote in my last column. He said, Obama is a "good person." Obama gave him "hope" and "inspiration." It didn't seem to bother this man that Obama's past history includes a cozy relationship with a known communist or that he knows nothing about constitutional solutions.

Will it bother Obama faithful that he supports a "world order"? Watch this short video clip of Obama and listen to what he says: That "we" must invest (that's the sweat off your back he's talking about) in other countries to create a "world order we'd all like to see." Pure communist propaganda and that's why he's getting the support of every flavor of communist in the world.

Go to this web site and spend a few minutes. It should horrify you. Obama is "Bigger than Kennedy...This is the New Testament!" "An agent of transformation...." "What if God is trying to make a statement? In the last generation, a motivated, organized "religious right" has flexed its considerable muscle in both electing candidates and shaping American public policy. But what if God is trying to make a statement in 2008 through the meteoric rise of a new symbol -- a charismatic, eloquent senator from Illinois who is turning conventional American politics on its head? That food for thought will form the basis of Sunday's sermon by Pastor John Van Sloten at New Hope Church."

God has made many statements. He has told us forcefully that sodomy is an abomination as well as lesbian sex. Obama supports and condones that which God has told us is an abomination. God has commanded us, not asked us, but commanded: Thou shalt not kill. Obama supports and condones the murder of an unborn baby waiting in it's mother's womb to reach the stage of growth where he/she can live outside the mother. Pastor Van Sloten's words, "...meteoric rise of a new symbol" smacks of worshipping false idols. Many brutal dictators throughout history had this same kind of "meteoric rise of a new symbol." The Third Reich comes to mind.

This circus between Obama and Marxist Hillary Clinton will soon play itself out. The lame stream media, particularly the cable networks, will fill endless hours with useless chatter about them and in the end, it will mean nothing. The shadow government will make sure they get the candidate they want and herd voters in the right direction. As Madame Clinton is facing a fraud trial, it's not likely the machine will allow her to be the "winner," but you never know.

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[crmann]

Is Obama the Messiah? Believe it of not, many act like it.

Sunday sermon cheers rise of Obama....

Presidential hopeful a bridge builder, says pastor Graeme Morton, Calgary Herald....
Published: Saturday, February 23, 2008

Politics and religion have performed an intimate, intricate dance in the United States for decades.

In the last generation, a motivated, organized "religious right" has flexed its considerable muscle in both electing candidates and shaping American public policy.

But what if God is trying to make a statement in 2008 through the meteoric rise of a new symbol -- a charismatic, eloquent senator from Illinois who is turning conventional American politics on its head? That food for thought will form the basis of Sunday's sermon by Pastor John Van Sloten at New Hope Church, 1940 6th Ave. N.W.

John Van Sloten, pastor of New Hope Church, will deliver a sermon Sunday about Barack Obama. The charismatic, eloquent senator from Illinois is making a bid for the U.S. presidency.

Van Sloten admits he's become an unabashed fan of Barack Obama after watching his TV speeches and reading his book The Audacity of Hope.

"I know Obama has been criticized for being all about vague ideals and not about specific policies," Van Sloten says.

"But unless you have ideals, nothing is going to change. You have to be able to dream outside the box." After resounding primary wins in Wisconsin and Hawaii last Tuesday, Obama continues to edge ahead of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton for the hotly-contested Democratic presidential nomination. Arizona Sen. John McCain has all but locked up the Republican nod.

Van Sloten says he believes Obama embodies God's desire for a new era of reconciliation and bridge-building in a fractured, fractious world. Physically, he's the son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas. As a child, Obama lived for four years in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation.

"To me, Obama represents a good antidote for the polarizing, dogmatic years of the Bush presidency -- when you were 'with us or against us', a totally black-and-white world," Van Sloten says.

While many politicians justify their agendas by relying on their own interpretation of faith, Van Sloten says Obama often exhibits grace by admitting he doesn't have all the answers.

"There's humility and empathy when you read his book or listen to him speak," Van Sloten says.

"He's willing to talk to the leader of Iran before going to war against them. He admits the Republicans have some good ideas, too. Obama says that he worries about his own pride and his potential to screw up. When have you heard a politician talk that way?" And for those who deride Obama as all style and scant substance, a media darling with little experience in facing the daunting challenges of wielding enormous power, Van Sloten has a theory on that, too.

"Maybe Obama is the right candidate for these times, an orator in an entertainment-based culture. In the Bible, God raised up Esther to save her people: she was attractive, smart and she had a vision," Van Sloten says.

However, just as rapid as Obama's ride to prominence has been, Van Sloten admits if he is elected in November and fails to live up to sky-high expectations, many will label him a failed political messiah.

"I really wonder if the U.S., and the rest of the world for that matter, is ready for the idealism that Obama personifies," says Van Sloten.

"Who knows, it may take another four years. Or it may take another generation for things to change." Sunday's service begins at 10:10 a.m.

[david]

To be fair McCain should be scrutinized just as Obama by the author of the origonal post.

So when we compare the issues how can McCain be completely ignored while Obama is raked over the coals. Both candidates share similar positions. So why is not McCain considered evil as well?

Obama VS. McCain
Comparison of Issues *Conservative View

- Both McCain & Obama support the Death Penalty. *Good
- Both Support Embryonic Stem Cell Research *Bad
- Both Support the Patriot Act *Bad & Good? (Note: could lead to loss of liberty, potential tool for a one world goverment, some elements good for protection)
- Both Support a citizenship Path for Immigration *Bad & Good?
- Both Support a boarder fence *Good
- Both Oppose Same Sex Marriage *Good
- Civil Unions Obama supports, McCain does not take a stand, leaves it to the states *Bad for both candidates
- Both Oppose Same sex constitutional ban *Bad

I personally believe since McCain will not take a stand on Civil Unions, that is just as bad as taking the position for it.

I think it is good to be aware and to take a critical view of the candidates; however I am also wary of such a phobic view of Obama as laid out here.

The author takes an opposing view of God being in control; since it appears she does not like the way it is being promoted in regards to symbolism. She asserts the shadow governments are in control. As far as I know God is in control of shadow governments as well. God is in control of everything; so I am concerned when I hear another believer depart from a core belief in order to make a case against some supposedly secret agenda.

Dan 2:21 And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and sets up kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding.

If Obama is hiding a secret and he has a plan to take over the word, then it’s just that a secret we don’t know about. Still God is in control right? So why worry.

When Billy Gram attracted hundreds of thousands did anyone think there was something sinister going on because he had charisma?

Anymore from what I can see, it does not matter what side a person is from, Democrat nor Republican, God’s plans are being fulfilled so don’t worry…

Mat 6:25 Therefore I say to you, Do not be anxious for your life, what you shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor for your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?

Nor should we worry over whom we shall elect for a president.

[crmann]

David wrote:

To be fair McCain should be scrutinized just as Obama by the author of the original post.

Hi, David, evidently you neglected to investigate a few of the links Devvy suggested.

Here's the one telling the truth about McCain:

Link on McCain:

Blessings,

The Old Timer

[david]

Okay, I read the rest of the main article using the link provided in the first post. She does mentions John McCain as being evil.

I also watched the video that supports the position for this article, it was pure c*&%, chalked full of innuendo that does nothing to link anything to Obama. The video even shows scenes from Silence of the Lambs as if Obama is the equivalent to Hannibal.

Anytime I go to a website that promotes Military survival training and apocalyptic survival, well it sets off a red flag. If you ask me Devvy appears to be a complete conspirator nut and even evil her self. Devvy is a dangerous author that does not deserve any believers time of day.

[crmann]

Anytime I go to a website that promotes Military survival training and apocalyptic survival, well it sets off a red flag. If you ask me Devvy appears to be a complete conspirator nut and even evil her self. Devvy is a dangerous author that does not deserve any believers time of day.

Well, David...

Let me invite you to do a little research on McCain, Obama, and Clinton, and share what you find.

If you're going to criticize the information someone else has shared, then would it not be the right thing to present information you believe to be correct?

What Davvy has presented on these three individuals, is common knowledge to many who have kept up with these three.... especially on Clinton and McCain.

Blessings,

The Old Timer...

[david]

Anytime I go to a website that promotes Military survival training and apocalyptic survival, well it sets off a red flag. If you ask me Devvy appears to be a complete conspirator nut and even evil her self. Devvy is a dangerous author that does not deserve any believers time of day.

Well, David...

Let me invite you to do a little research on McCain, Obama, and Clinton, and share what you find.

If you're going to criticize the information someone else has shared, then would it not be the right thing to present information you believe to be correct?

What Davvy has presented on these three individuals, is common knowledge to many who have kept up with these three.... especially on Clinton and McCain.

Blessings,

The Old Timer...

CRMANN AKA Old Timer, thanks for presenting me with the challenge to back up my charges against Devvy. My concerns are not necessarily with you but with the content thereof. So in the spirit of brotherly debate I make my case.

Now I should not judge an author to quickly concerning ads on a website. News with views does carry Dr. Cuddy, I respect his work. Yet after even more research I still can not say that about Devvy.

Again my personal point of view and that is God sets up nations and governments and is in control not a shadow government as Devvy is suggesting.

Pointing out obvious errors and misleading false statements or error in truth does not require an alternate hypothesis, because the errors are self evident. But if you like I’ll make my case here.

My main concern is the false and misleading propaganda information coming from the author. Don’t get me wrong I’m not here to defend Obama, I’m just looking for truth. Since there is such a blatant and bias amount of error in Devvy comments concerning Barrak I won’t even bother researching her claims about anyone or anything else.

In the video she supports as evidence it says Obama has thousands of people lining up to see him at campaign speeches and cheering. This was all to suggest that people are under a spell from him. Well many people have also cheered at Hillary’s campaign, Al Gores, Bushes, Regan’s and so on. That’s what people do at campaign rallies they cheer. This is not evidence of a sinister force at work.

The video shows images related to the Illuminate, Rockerfeller, and a host of other conspiracies suggesting Obama is connected to just about everything out there. This is called propaganda. I ask then, what in this video is based on fact? What is true about what it implies? It’s a null hypothesis, one sided there is no alternate. I have no alternative information to a fantasy other than to propose another fantasy.

Let’s take a statement from the first paragraph of the main article in this post.

“It didn't seem to bother this man that Obama's past history includes a cozy relationship with a known communist or that he knows nothing about constitutional solutions.”

The truth is Obama majored in law at Harvard and later lectured at Columbia in Constitutional Law. So how can Devvy say he knows nothing about the constitution? I thought most people knew this so the error is self evident. It’s these types of lies that make Devvy look very bad. If someone is that far off the mark then something is up.

What Devvy is doing is taking Blog information and propaganda video and impling that it is all truth and known fact.

Does Obama have relationships or know people in the international socialist party here in the US? Yes. How cozy is it? We don’t really know. What are the facts that he is indeed a socialist? As far as I can tell it is conjecture based on association.

Personally I am wary of the DSA, Socialist International, and the PSOE (Spanish Socialist Party), they are all connected. But then evil will try to make it way weather on the left or the right.

Destiny is not controllable; although there may be many variables to arrive at the final conclusion. It does not matter who is in office the times of the Gentiles will come to an end someday. Yet while God is in control, as we are hurled down the path of destiny we should also seek after truth and shun what is false.

Devvy has been false.

YBIC

[aaron]

Reading your thoughts back and forth has made me wonder. Do Hillary and Obama want Americans to focus on things like Obama the Messiah and forget about the common sense issues of the previous two presidential candidate seasons?

Notice the lack of abortion, same sex marriage, religious rights, family topics lately? Maybe I'm not reading the full scope of the stories out there, but Hillary and Obama just DOMINATE the news, McCain gets a passing comment at the end.

And yes, I'm also not too convinced that McCain is the man for God-fearing Christians.

[crmann]

CRMANN AKA Old Timer, thanks for presenting me with the challenge to back up my charges against Devvy. My concerns are not necessarily with you but with the content thereof. So in the spirit of brotherly debate I make my case.

David, you present your case quite well.... You may rest your case....

I'll just have to look into this Dr. Cuddy you've mentioned and see what his views may be.

Blessings, David.
The Old Timer

[david]

Reading your thoughts back and forth has made me wonder. Do Hillary and Obama want Americans to focus on things like Obama the Messiah and forget about the common sense issues of the previous two presidential candidate seasons?

Notice the lack of abortion, same sex marriage, religious rights, family topics lately? Maybe I'm not reading the full scope of the stories out there, but Hillary and Obama just DOMINATE the news, McCain gets a passing comment at the end.

And yes, I'm also not too convinced that McCain is the man for God-fearing Christians.

Arron,

I don’t think either one ponders using the messiah figure as a political tool to distract people. People on the fringes, people that follow the campaign, people that report on this stuff are the ones coming up with the comparisons to the messiah not the campaigns.

I see the issues right now for Obama and Hillary to be one that centered on the Democratic Party platform. Since it is still a Democrat competition the things they talk about now are health care for the nation, tax breaks for the poor, immigration and middle class.

I think issues like same sex marriage, the family will be completely avoided by both the Democrats and John McCain's Republican campaign because they both are against allowing same sex marriage nationally. Also it’s a sticky subject nobody want’s to talk about, if they do talk about it will be in response to a question.

I agree there is no conservative candidate I suppose it comes with the territory when living among wolves.

Luk 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

[david]

CRMANN AKA Old Timer, thanks for presenting me with the challenge to back up my charges against Devvy. My concerns are not necessarily with you but with the content thereof. So in the spirit of brotherly debate I make my case.

David, you present your case quite well.... You may rest your case....

I'll just have to look into this Dr. Cuddy you've mentioned and see what his views may be.

Blessings, David.
The Old Timer

With all due respects Old Timer I thank you for keeping me on my toes. The last debate I got into here at FP I lost. Since I gave up arguing with my wife I have to come here to FP to pick a fight. I usually loose my arguments with her anyway usually over dumb stuff.

I just think sometimes it’s easy to get caught up in conspiracy, I know because I have myself. That’s when I eventually came to realize conspiracy is the unseen Devil doing his work, not a single organization you can put your finger on. I do think the Illuminati, Masons Socialist are up to something but it always comes back to the unseen evil. I too suspect there may be something odd about Obama, but so far it’s unsubstantiated with out any real fact.

I think Obama is going to win the presidential election. I have thought that even a month or so before he tied Hillary. His momentum has been exponential, and the fact the polls and the media had it wrong at the start going back to Iowa.

When Obama a young vibrate youthful well spoken man is put on stage with a softer spoken elderly man (no offense here Old Timer) I think the country will go with the vibrant eloquent spoken one.

What I saw coming after we got into Bushes second term and the way things on the global stage; is the pendulum to swing far the other way. Obama will be the ambassador of united good will to all nations. In the process he may well forge alliances that may bring us closer to a world governing body. It may be on purpose or it may be good intentions I’m not sure, but I think it will happen given the current views here at FP.

Every President adds a piece of the puzzle with Clinton it was NAFTA and the appointment of Solona to Nato, Bush the North Atlantic Trade Agreement, our position in Iraq, I’m sure there are many more.

Yea check out Cuddy, he has even written a little about Solana.

Just to humor you I posted this on another thread, we should spread this as a rumor and see if it catches on. (Just kidding )

I conjured this up and thought it was amusing. So take it with a grain of salt.

Mabus = US BAM, United States Black African Male? (Note: not female as opposed to Hillary Clinton.)

O BAM A, Oval (Office) Black African Male Anti Christ (AC type not necessarily the AC).

Again don't take this seriously as I'm just messing around here. I can't help but like the guy, but not some of his policies.

Mabus is in reference to Nostradamus’s prediction that the Antichrist will be associated with the name Mabus (More than likely an anagram a name that has been mixed up, I turned his prophecy into an acronym suing Obama’s name.)

God Bless you too brother,

[mizbayakh]

When Obama a young vibrate youthful well spoken man is put on stage with a softer spoken elderly man

Are you speaking of McCain?


I have never considered him "soft spoken".

[Swayde]

I saw a picture on a website that showed Obama and McCain in it...Obama had his eyes half closed, hands together with palms flat against his cheek and had a nice, peaceful smile....he looked like an angel falling asleep....McCain had a scowl on his face and a very hostile looking pose, very angry and almost scary looking. The intent of the ad was blatantly obvious to me. And I am seeing stuff like this all over the place. So yeah, there is no way that the majority of Americans are going to choose an old, angry, hostile looking man over a fairly attractive, angelic looking man with a nice smile who radiates peace who is compared to having the presence of a rock star or messiah.

[Sword of Geddon]

I don't believe God is in control of all things at the moment they are happening he just uses what results to his advantage. If God were in control of say, a shadow government, or any government, that would mean God would be resposible for every group of human atrocities ever commited, like the holocaust.

Satan is in control of those shadow governments, not God, I believe God merely allowed them to get into power(as the word says he puts any ruler in power orginally), then watches from afar, and then takes advantage for his glory whatever comes from what occurs, good or bad. If God were in direct control of all leaders worldwide he would be evil. On the contrary its satan thats doing the evil.

[david]

I don't believe God is in control of all things at the moment they are happening he just uses what results to his advantage. If God were in control of say, a shadow government, or any government, that would mean God would be resposible for every group of human atrocities ever commited, like the holocaust.

Satan is in control of those shadow governments, not God, I believe God merely allowed them to get into power(as the word says he puts any ruler in power orginally), then watches from afar, and then takes advantage for his glory whatever comes from what occurs, good or bad. If God were in direct control of all leaders worldwide he would be evil. On the contrary its satan thats doing the evil.

Geddon

I agree with what you are saying. My comments on this subject from above where not my complete view. I’ll expand more on a few quotes I made previously.

Personally I am wary of the DSA, Socialist International, and the PSOE (Spanish Socialist Party), they are all connected. But then evil will try to make it way weather on the left or the right.

As I mentioned

evil will try to make it’s way…

I should add where permitted or allowed by God.

Every President adds a piece of the puzzle with Clinton it was NAFTA and the appointment of Solona to Nato, Bush the North Atlantic Trade Agreement, our position in Iraq, I’m sure there are many more.

These events happen because God allows it.

As you mentioned Hitler had his day, I believe because God permitted it. Since God allowed it does not mean he did it, I think we agree on that. To me since God did allowed the Holocaust does mean He is in control because He has the option to allow evil to have it’s way or not. Yet again because he is in control does not mean He did it.

I suppose it’s just another way of looking at things with similar reasoning. Does this make any sense?

Thanks for chiming in…


As for McCain, it seems whenever I watch him speak on TV he sounds and looks tired. Maybe it was just these few times. I have not seen a clip yet where he has projected his voice well.

YBIC

david

[Sword of Geddon]

8 years ago Mccain was full of energy and was constantly cracking jokes when he ran against W in the primaries. I was too young to vote then, only 15 or something. But I still remember it.

[crmann]

I don't believe God is in control of all things at the moment they are happening he just uses what results to his advantage.

Hold the fort.... Stop right there.... To say God is not in control of all things, undermines the Absolutes and Authority of God.

Consider what Jesus told Pilate....

John 19:10-11
10 Then Pilate said to Him, "Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?" 11 Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."

A short lesson here:

The 3 Attributes of God.....

Omnipotence - He has the power to do anything He desires (Job 42:2; Luk 1:37).

Omnipresence - He is in all places, all the time (Jer 23:24; 1Ki 8:27; Psa 90:2).

Omniscience - He knows all things (1Jo 3:20).

Out of these attributes flow His works:

√ Election - choosing who is saved (Joh 1:12-13; 6:37-40; Eph 1:4,11; Rom 8:29-30; Act 13:48; Phi 1:29).

√ Creation - bringing the universe into existence (Isa 44:24; Col 1:16-18).

√ Providence - guiding and providing for His creation (Psa 135:7; Ecc 3:13; Act 14:17).

There are natural conclusions to be drawn from God's attributes.

If He is omnipotent, then He has the power to accomplish anything He desires. He can create, alter, or destroy a universe and all that is in it.

His omnipotence necessitates that He retain complete control over all objects that exist and events that occur; otherwise, He would not be omnipotent.

Therefore He is able to Create whatever He desires and govern over all He has created.

If He is omnipresent, then nothing is hidden from Him.

This includes all dimensions; all time whether past, present, or future; and every form of existence either thought, action, or substance.

Therefore God fully encompasses all that exists.

If He is omniscient, then He eternally comprehends all things actual as well as potential.

Furthermore, it is necessarily true that God comprehends all things from His eternal nature since omniscience, by default, is to know all things eternally lest there be a "time" when God did not know something.

God comprehending all things actually means that He comprehends all things that do exist.

This includes all objects in the entire universe, all thoughts, all actions, all motions, etc.

God comprehending all things potential means:

1. all things that could exist but do not exist whether they be thought, motion, deed, object, energy, etc.

2. all things that have existed but no longer exist whether they be thought, motion, deed, object, energy, etc.

3. all things that will exist but do not yet exist whether they be thought, motion, deed, object, energy, etc.

4. Logically, there are an infinite number of potential objects and events and combinations of objects and items that could have existed. But since they do not all exist, their knowledge is restricted to the mind of God, since only He could conceive of an infinite number of potential objects and events.

5. Logically, there are an infinite number of potential object and events that were not chosen by God (through His creative action) to exist outside of His mind. Therefore, the present world is the world that God has chosen to exist out of an infinite number of possible existences.

To deny God's omniscience is to deny His omnipresence. In order for God to know all things, He must be in all places at all times, past, present, and future.

If God's omnipresence is denied, then this god is not the God of the Bible.

If God voluntarily does not know all things (i.e., He chooses to restrict His knowledge of future free will choices of people), then, since He is omnipresent, He would have to know all the choices of people -- by default. To not know these things would be impossible for God since it would entail a type of "forgetting" where God would choose to not know something which He must, by nature, know. This is self contradictory and cannot be true. Therefore, God must know all things because He is omnipresent and because He is omnipresent, He knows all things.

Since God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, He is able to create anything He desires while retaining perfect knowledge and complete control of all actual objects and actions -- including perfect knowledge and complete control of all possible combinations of events of all those objects and actions.

It necessarily follows that all things (actual and/or potential) that have been, are now, or will be in existence occur by the direct control of God and/or the permitted control of God.

Conclusion: With all knowledge, God has absolute control over all He encompasses.

In creation God brought into being a finite set of actualities derived from an infinite set of potentialities.

Having been created and set in motion by God the actual number of combinations of objects and events that will occur has been decided upon by God.

It cannot be that these are unknown to God, lest that violate His omniscience.

None of the actualities are accidental, nor can they be accidental,

1. since accident would suggest something beyond God's omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience.

2. since accident would imply another "god" outside the knowledge, presence, and control of God.

3. None of these actualities can function in a manner that is outside the knowledge, presence, or control of God

because they have been brought into being by Him.

because God cannot make something greater than He.

Therefore all that exists is under His knowledge and control, and
all that exists, exists not because of accident, but because God has ordained that it exist.

By ordain, I mean to order by virtue of His superior authority and purpose.

This includes any result of any combination of events.

....since that result would have been foreknown and, therefore, ordained by God as He selected and permits the causes that brought that result.

Therefore, all results are foreknown; that is, they are known because they are ordained by God, and, by logic, must be what God has either caused or permitted to occur.

This includes those events which are the results of creatures with wills because,

no will could exist apart from the knowledge or control of God because God created all wills and/or the condition that provides for the existence of the will.

Human freedom (being able to make equal choices of right and wrong - libertarianism) cannot be unknown by God since He is in all places at all times. Because He is in all places at all times, He necessarily knows all the choices made by all people.

It follows then that evil is something permitted by God, not caused by Him, yet is and under His absolute control.

God cannot be the author of evil since God is holy and God cannot violate His own nature.

If God violated His own nature, He would be self contradictory and, therefore, not be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent since all three attributes are concurrent with self-absoluteness.

Evil is the permitted rebellion against God.

yet it is not greater than He, nor is it out of the reach of His control, nor beyond His knowledge lest it violate His attributes of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.

God has created the circumstances by which rebellion against Him is permitted but it is not He who is the direct cause of the rebellion.

God encompasses all that is, including evil. In other words, evil is permitted to exist within the infinite realm of God's existence.

Evil, apart and separate from God, operates within His controlled realm, because nothing could exist outside God's control.

Evil, then, operating within the realm of God, can be used by God for His good (Gen 50:20; Act 2:23).

This is true since God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent and would have ordained evil's permitted existence in the universe for the purpose of accomplishing His ultimate will....otherwise, it would not be permitted to exist.

Blessings.....

The Old Timer

[david]

Great post crmann... well put from a biblical perspective, I was just pondering as well all the Omni states of God, it's not possible for God not to be in complete control.

david

[Swayde]

Here is the ad that I'd seen with Obama and McCain in it.

[david]

Mr. Praying Hands he looks like an

[Sword of Geddon]

To me he looks like hes planning something evil.(obama)

But anyway great post CRMANN. fascinating.

[crmann]

Sword of Geddon wrote:

But anyway great post CRMANN. fascinating.

Thank you Sword of Geddon...

I appreciate your reading it. It's what I believe, and I stand by it.

Blessings,

The Old Timer