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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby Salty Skipper on Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:55 am

SueAnn wrote:And another thing I find striking...WHY put anything at all about medical device transponders in the health care bill? WHY? There MUST be a serious connection, otherwise it feels like a non-sequitor. WHY is it in that bill?


It is NOT in the bill. That's what some of the posters in the thread don't understand. There was a study undertaken by the FDA at some point earlier in the decade on transponders (whether linked to devices or not). It was simply a study. The person/people who wrote the original articles linked that study to the bill and made some assumptions which simply aren't true.

That being said, could the electronic records system bring a major opening for a future implementation of the mark of the beast? Quite possibly. However, this particular stretch is not it. The government, because of their foolish healthcare bill want to standardize records. Wouldn't that make sense because they are taking over medicine? They have to have means of a takeover of the industry and the record standardization will allow them to do it. Is it right? No, in my opinion. Is this the mark of the beast? No, in my opinion. But we know the mark, of some sort, is coming sooner or later.
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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby Adamantine on Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:15 am

revelation2012 wrote:
Adamantine wrote:All told it is about a form of control that even God does not wish it seems to have for His children.
I expect there is still a fair amount of freedom in the Millennium to speak against God and His son's kingdom.
I also know the scripture about ruling with a rod of Iron.
In any case God is very much for independence of the human spirit.
My two cents.


What happened to David when he wanted to number his people?

Also if none of you have read the article I posted above, I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU DO. You already are numbered and sold. Here is the article again:

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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby david on Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:01 am

revelation2012 wrote:
Adamantine wrote:All told it is about a form of control that even God does not wish it seems to have for His children.
I expect there is still a fair amount of freedom in the Millennium to speak against God and His son's kingdom.
I also know the scripture about ruling with a rod of Iron.
In any case God is very much for independence of the human spirit.
My two cents.


What happened to David when he wanted to number his people?

Also if none of you have read the article I posted above, I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU DO. You already are numbered and sold. Here is the article again:

http://usahitman.com/?p=1277


Rev, I read the article you posted! :grin:

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Certainly we are an oversold commodity, and it’s a matter of time before our loan is called in. I believe the collection will come in the form of war. We are measured in GDP our gross national product what we can produce in a year. Our dept per capita, average per person in ’09 was 44K. Not so bad when compared to the UK at 151K or Ireland at 450K per person.

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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby revelation2012 on Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:28 am

Well take a look what I just posted about the Raids on the Militia. Something I just confirmed shows we may be facing show down time in the USA.
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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby denise on Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:44 pm

Revelation2012 said:

Well take a look what I just posted about the Raids on the Militia. Something I just confirmed shows we may be facing show down time in the USA.


Yep, something definately is cooking.
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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby SueAnn on Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:38 pm

Salty Skipper wrote:
SueAnn wrote:And another thing I find striking...WHY put anything at all about medical device transponders in the health care bill? WHY? There MUST be a serious connection, otherwise it feels like a non-sequitor. WHY is it in that bill?


It is NOT in the bill. That's what some of the posters in the thread don't understand. There was a study undertaken by the FDA at some point earlier in the decade on transponders (whether linked to devices or not). It was simply a study. The person/people who wrote the original articles linked that study to the bill and made some assumptions which simply aren't true.

That being said, could the electronic records system bring a major opening for a future implementation of the mark of the beast? Quite possibly. However, this particular stretch is not it. The government, because of their foolish healthcare bill want to standardize records. Wouldn't that make sense because they are taking over medicine? They have to have means of a takeover of the industry and the record standardization will allow them to do it. Is it right? No, in my opinion. Is this the mark of the beast? No, in my opinion. But we know the mark, of some sort, is coming sooner or later.


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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby Salty Skipper on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:17 am

Just trying to keep the facts straight, Sue Ann! YOU are the huggy bear! :grin: :hugs:
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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby david on Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:27 pm

SueAnn wrote:
Salty Skipper wrote:
SueAnn wrote:And another thing I find striking...WHY put anything at all about medical device transponders in the health care bill? WHY? There MUST be a serious connection, otherwise it feels like a non-sequitor. WHY is it in that bill?


It is NOT in the bill. That's what some of the posters in the thread don't understand. There was a study undertaken by the FDA at some point earlier in the decade on transponders (whether linked to devices or not). It was simply a study. The person/people who wrote the original articles linked that study to the bill and made some assumptions which simply aren't true.

That being said, could the electronic records system bring a major opening for a future implementation of the mark of the beast? Quite possibly. However, this particular stretch is not it. The government, because of their foolish healthcare bill want to standardize records. Wouldn't that make sense because they are taking over medicine? They have to have means of a takeover of the industry and the record standardization will allow them to do it. Is it right? No, in my opinion. Is this the mark of the beast? No, in my opinion. But we know the mark, of some sort, is coming sooner or later.


Thank you for clarifying, oh-sodium-chloride-one. You're a huggybear. :hugs2:



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What appears to be in the Bill

Your right Sue Ann I see nothing in the bill that says transponders will be used. Anytime a medical device is filed for approval it goes through the FDA just as it did. We were all aware back in 2004 when it was filed and consequently approved later for public use on humans which was over 5 years ago. We were also here before all that when the name of the company was Digital Angel before being bought out. (Yes I'm avoiding the V word, I like your use of transponder).

Thursday night I watched Judge Andrew Napolitano fill in for Glenn Beck on Fox. (I like him he is straight forward). He was talking to doctors, a constitutional lawyer (a real one) and other analyst about the fact the Government want's electronic access to our Health records.This is part of the Health bill and it sounds like the government is already making request. On the talk show they cited patient doctor confidentiality as being paramount and a protected virtue and a right of the patient. The Government is providing all doctors up to 40K to upgrade there medical records to electronic to make this possible.

I see a real danger also for counselor, phycologist or psychiatrist, patient confidentiality is always paramount and disclosed to the recipient.

I remember when Obama was campaigning against John McCain. Obama proposed electronic health records as a way to lower cost and create jobs. Apparently all along he's wanted access to our medical records. I wonder why?



Here is the link. http://video.foxnews.com/v/4131967/cons ... h-care-law
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Re: OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:

Postby Mttw633 on Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:08 am

[quote="denise"]Its all about conditioning./quote]
Exactly. It's the hegelian dialectic at work. Here's a story re Australia's move to id...and think about it; India is pushing for the same at the same time. You would think there is someone pulling the strings, (don't look at the man behind the curtain...)

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Kevin- ... 8-839.html

There is indeed a surreptitious plan to set up the ground work for this system to progress seamlessly to implantable RFID microchips. All that would be required is a simple distribution of the PositiveID microchip and the necessary RFID scanners into the medical infrastructure the software side would already be functioning at full steam.




3."The Australian healthcare sector is a complex of public and private interests, hospital and


community facilities, GP's, laboratories, health funds, professional associations, special interest groups and individual consumers". The introduction of this system would aim to revolutionize the way medical records are accessed and updated, ensuring every time it is accessed by a medical professional, the information is up to date and accurate. 4.Privacy advocates have lambasted the proposed bill quoting medical record privacy breaches, in 2007-2008 there were 234 serious accounts of this occurring yet 160 of these resulted in an emailed warning or counseling. If the Unique patient identification number was to go ahead, Australian Privacy Foundation chair Roger Clarke said "The situation will be many hundreds of times worse, as the HI database will ultimately be accessed by more than 600,000 medical providers and organizations".




Knowing of the obvious security flaws that are inherent with a system of this scale, why does the Rudd government choose to bulldoze it into legislation? Could this in fact be the Hegelian dialectic at work? It could very well be a future road map that would lead to the more 'secure' method of accessing medical records via RFID implants as scores of complaints flood the media regarding security breaches and invasions of 'privacy'. Scott R. Silverman, chairman and CEO of PositiveID claims 5."In addition to helping consumers protect themselves from identity theft as it pertains to credit fraud, we are also focused on combating the growing problem of medical identity theft, which affects 7 percent of identity theft victims". How noble of Scott.
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