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GodsStudent wrote:Yep. I just got the link from a friend in an email today. 36 months is a total of 3 years, so to be within that time period, it must be beginning sooner than later, and completed within 3 years.
Since I believe many Americans will not go for this, whether or not it be the MOB, I believe many troubled times are pressing down upon us.
Salty Skipper wrote:The first two links don't work. I honestly do not think that this is "it." Reason being, the government has been pushing to standardize medical records and create a data base. There was an interview on a talk radio program the other day with one of the directors of the hospitals in our state. There was a caller who called in, concerned that this data system was going to be used to force patients to get a chip. The director said that there are no such plans in the works. They are creating a data base to standardize records so that people, who tend to move around a lot these days, can be cared for in the most effecient manner possible. Since the first two links don't work, I can't research it for myself.
Salty Skipper wrote:After reading over the government bill, I'm almost 100% positive that this is talking about prosthetic devices that are used inside the body and requiring them to be "registered" with serial numbers and such. Most already are. I guess that they are trying to create a national registry for whatever reason of these devices.
Having said that, I'm not 100% sure, but almost. And, that's not to say that a required chip isn't coming in association with healthcare. I just don't think that this is "it."
benny balerio wrote:Salty Skipper wrote:After reading over the government bill, I'm almost 100% positive that this is talking about prosthetic devices that are used inside the body and requiring them to be "registered" with serial numbers and such. Most already are. I guess that they are trying to create a national registry for whatever reason of these devices.
Having said that, I'm not 100% sure, but almost. And, that's not to say that a required chip isn't coming in association with healthcare. I just don't think that this is "it."
I am going to have to disagree with your assessment.
The following suggests that they want to ensure that the chip does not migrate to other parts of the body once it has been injected into the human body.
D. Migration Testing of Implanted Transponder
We recommend that you conduct testing of the implanted transponder to demonstrate that the
transponder will not migrate after implantation.
Salty Skipper wrote:benny balerio wrote:Salty Skipper wrote:After reading over the government bill, I'm almost 100% positive that this is talking about prosthetic devices that are used inside the body and requiring them to be "registered" with serial numbers and such. Most already are. I guess that they are trying to create a national registry for whatever reason of these devices.
Having said that, I'm not 100% sure, but almost. And, that's not to say that a required chip isn't coming in association with healthcare. I just don't think that this is "it."
I am going to have to disagree with your assessment.
The following suggests that they want to ensure that the chip does not migrate to other parts of the body once it has been injected into the human body.
D. Migration Testing of Implanted Transponder
We recommend that you conduct testing of the implanted transponder to demonstrate that the
transponder will not migrate after implantation.
Yes Sir,!
Page 4....it even uses the word "BIOCOMPATABILITY"
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDev ... 072191.pdf
Could you tell me what page of the bill that quote is from? Thanks in advance!
Salty Skipper wrote:After reading over the government bill, I'm almost 100% positive that this is talking about prosthetic devices that are used inside the body and requiring them to be "registered" with serial numbers and such. Most already are. I guess that they are trying to create a national registry for whatever reason of these devices.
Having said that, I'm not 100% sure, but almost. And, that's not to say that a required chip isn't coming in association with healthcare. I just don't think that this is "it."
After reading this article, it appears as if this is a way to collect Patient Information, and not just keeping an account on prosthetic devices that have serial numbers.
Mr Baldy wrote:Salty Skipper wrote:After reading over the government bill, I'm almost 100% positive that this is talking about prosthetic devices that are used inside the body and requiring them to be "registered" with serial numbers and such. Most already are. I guess that they are trying to create a national registry for whatever reason of these devices.
Having said that, I'm not 100% sure, but almost. And, that's not to say that a required chip isn't coming in association with healthcare. I just don't think that this is "it."
After reading this article, it appears as if this is a way to collect Patient Information, and not just keeping an account on prosthetic devices that have serial numbers.
I find this very scary.
For those who have been Watching, I guess it's no secret that Obama has been associated with possibly being the "Beast from the Earth"; AKA - "The False Prophet". We definitely don't know this to be the case, however I find it very interesting, to say the least; that this Health Care Bill has passed, and within it's pages it is requiring that folks be implanted with an RFID chip.
It is unknown what the Mark of the Beast will be exactly; however in reading Revelation 13:11-18 - it is the False Prophet who is responsible for causing ALL to receive the Mark of the Beast.
Revelation 13:11-18 reads:
The Beast from the Earth
11) Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.
12) He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.
13) He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men.
14) And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.
15) And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16) And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
17) and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18) Here is wisdom Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.
It is really unknown how all these events will play out. That is why it's so important to keep each other informed. Thank for the links Benny.
Salty Skipper wrote:Mr. Baldy, are you talking about the article or the bill?
benny balerio wrote:OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:
MANDATORY 666-VERICHIP MEDICAL IMPLANT UNDER OBAMA HEALTHCARE
BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE HEALTH BILLS REQUIRE THE MICRO CHIPPING OF AMERICANS – 3/18/10
What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”
The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary
. It’s clearly for devices like heart monitors, pace makers and breathing apparatuses.“class II device that is implantable, life-supporting”
david wrote:benny balerio wrote:OBAMACARE: RFID CHIP IMPLANT IN 36 MONTHS:
MANDATORY 666-VERICHIP MEDICAL IMPLANT UNDER OBAMA HEALTHCARE
BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE HEALTH BILLS REQUIRE THE MICRO CHIPPING OF AMERICANS – 3/18/10What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary
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RFID IMPLANT TRACKING NOT MENTIONED in BILL
I have worked in materials & electronics R&D for over 25 years. Making the claim HR 3200 specifically references RFID implantable chips just because it mentions Class II devices is a far stretch. Veri-Chip is a class II device; but that does not prove its reference here. That would be like saying all UL (Under Writer Laboratories) approved electrical devices are wall outlets because they are “embedded” in a wall. As anyone can see there tens even hundreds of “UL” listed devices in our homes.
There are thousands upon thousands of FDA class II devices listed. Most Class II devices are not even electronic. I’m certain you have used a class II device if not even use one now. Does that mean we all have the mark? Some Class II consist of organic and inorganic compounds. Do you have a filling in your tooth? I bet Pamela Anderson has at least well, two and may be considered life sustainable if she were out at sea.
Seriously, HR3200 as documented :. It’s clearly for devices like heart monitors, pace makers and breathing apparatuses.“class II device that is implantable, life-supporting”
I read through and examined this particular section of the bill after it passed the Senate. The main concern I have is under section B, “electronic health records” and who would have access and control over them. My own health records have been in an electric data base at my local clinic for a while now. My concern would be if the government has access to it. Otherwise I see no reason to believe HR3200 specifically refers to an implantable RFID chip for tracking purposes. There is just no reference to it.
I believe their intention is to monitor major medical devices, complaints and performance in the field. Just as it says. The FDA is already doing most of this and in fact this may trickle down to the FDA.
To illustrate how wide spread the applications are for a class II medical device check out:
FDA Device Class Web Site:
http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Devic ... efault.htm
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has established classifications for approximately 1,700 different generic types of devices and grouped them into 16 medical specialties referred to as panels. Each of these generic types of devices is assigned to one of three regulatory classes based on the level of control necessary to assure the safety and effectiveness of the device. The three classes and the requirements which apply to them are:
david
david wrote:Benny, that makes complete sense. Is that in the signed bill?
respectfully
david
Even though it is in 36 months,....and if many take the chip under their skin,...it is not a sin unless one is required to denounce Jesus as Lord.
I would laugh at them if it got to that point
GodsStudent wrote:If its possible, I agree with most of the comments on this thread and think "splitting the difference" entails mainly waiting for more details to emerge. The legalist language should be of great concern as this is what many lawyers hang their shingles on. I know, I own a business that is in the legal field, and I work for many different attorneys. Many of my days are spent talking with attorneys in a manner that compares to "posturing." Posturing, (my word, not theirs) is the manner by which someone forms an argument to defend the position from which they are coming. So, IMO, we are far from free and clear of this chip....I would actually argue to the contrary based on the fact that what I have read leaves me feeling as though the content of the material is literally "open end."
That said, I do not feel that these chips, in the context by which they are being presently introduced are "it." So, I also agree with Salty Skipper. The MOB is about loyalty and until its identified by the one whom it is that seeks such loyalty, it may be fair and right for a person to say that they were obeying the laws of the land in taking such a chip.
The scriptures associate the MOB with the ability to buy and sell. Everything I know thusfar leads me to believe that some very hungry people are going to struggle with the decision to not take the chip and alternately starve to death. Even in the short term, one has to have a great willingness to be in that position to refrain from taking the mark and endure hunger or even starvation. I believe the motivators associated with being able to work within the confines of society will be sufficient in and of themselves....I don't anticipate being "tricked" with regards to the chip.
So, I don't exactly disagree with the early on post about taking these medical chipsEven though it is in 36 months,....and if many take the chip under their skin,...it is not a sin unless one is required to denounce Jesus as Lord.
I would laugh at them if it got to that point
However, I prefer not to have any foriegn objects implanted in me. The words TRACKING DEVICES come to mind and at least I can turn my cell phone off or leave it at home if I want to....So, the control elements to this are far more than I can tolerate. Then....there is the thread about the dogs and cats getting cancer from their chips.....honestly, in light of this study, what are our healthcare providers thinking of....talk about an oxy moron.......
Where is my tin foil hat? !!!
GodsStudent wrote:If its possible, I agree with most of the comments on this thread and think "splitting the difference" entails mainly waiting for more details to emerge. The legalist language should be of great concern as this is what many lawyers hang their shingles on.........
joyfulchild wrote:WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHY
WHEN FACED WITH THE POTENTIAL AND FRIGHTENING FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY ARE THERE THOSE OF US WHO PLAY THE "SCULLY" (SKEPTICAL)TO THE REST OF THE (TRUST NO ONE) MULDERS?.....
MEL
revelation2012 wrote:Can an RFID chip or device have information added to it or updated? What is to say that the first step is not to do a benign step in simply tracking medical devices and or medical records? Can this later at some point be used to keep track of personal information like your birth certificate and social security card number (which ironically is issued by the UN)?
learningeachday wrote:Like, "Oh, you won't take the mark, huh? Then we will turn off your chip...no more health care, no more ability to buy or sell..." Just my thoughts...
revelation2012 wrote:So you advocate getting the chip to stay in the system?
SueAnn wrote:revelation2012 wrote:So you advocate getting the chip to stay in the system?
Please read my comments one more time. I cannot find one syllable in them that states that I advocate taking the chip. Sheesh.
SwordofGideon wrote: As for me, I'll draw the line at implanting anything on or under my skin, rather it's the Mark or not. There's too many issues with freedom and privacy not to.
Adamantine wrote:All told it is about a form of control that even God does not wish it seems to have for His children.
I expect there is still a fair amount of freedom in the Millennium to speak against God and His son's kingdom.
I also know the scripture about ruling with a rod of Iron.
In any case God is very much for independence of the human spirit.
My two cents.
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