Being Prepared Part Two

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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Ready1 on Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:01 pm

If you don't mind, share how sucessful you are.
Just observing.

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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:14 am

GodsStudent wrote:The other day I saw a link on the Michael Savage website for a solar panel "plan." I listened to the presentation where the man told of how he taught himself to build solar panels, completely eliminating his electric bill and then getting to the place where the power company was paying him (due to the fact his meter was turning backwards). The plans cost about $50.00 and he says that each panel can be built for about $100.00, and in a day or so. My friend and I are going to look further into this after the holidays.


Hi GS, i have looked into this as well and here is a good video showing how it is done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zy3ELxwdtE

This guy has mounds of info and ideas if you don't mind getting your hands into it. Watch his other videos too. He has one showing his meter going backwards.
Also the price of solar is coming down and it is good to look at how many watts of power you are getting per dollar you spend. Here is a company that sells it that way. They have the best prices i can find.
http://www.sunelec.com/

It can get a bit confusing but if you contact them, they can put something together for you.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:11 am

Hi Small-Time. Thank you for the links. We are building in the country right now and plan to move there later this year. One of the priority tags for me is insulation and the ability to produce our own energy. I am working on finding out the most efficient way to produce or purchase solar panels, with the intent on purchasing the most energy absorbent panels out there, so that our meter will run backwards, too. I am told that we don't have to get these up during construction, but can wait until we've finished and convert over as we can. (We are trying to build cash out of pocket, and not borrow money to fund the project, so much of what we do will be simple, with a focus on having an energy efficient dwelling.....they can keep the granite counter tops!).
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:54 am

GS that sounds like a plan i can deal with :grin: . In order to spin your meter backwards you would need a Grid-tie setup.They are good for getting the most out of your panels and you don't have to get enough solar to run your entire house all at once. You can add as you go. The only drawback I have found with Grid-tie is that it only produces power when it sees power. So when the "Grid" goes down so does the solar. It is a safety feature that stops you from send power back into the Grid when the grid is being worked on by the local power company.
Grid -tie is also good because it doesn't need batteries in the system, unless you get a setup that works when the power is off. Keep in mind too, that batteries with constant charging and dis charging will only last 2-3 years. Where will you get new batteries then?
Also consider adding a small wind generator. They produce power when ever the wind blows, which can be all NIGHT long.

God Bless.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:02 pm

Hi Small Time:
I'd love to know what solar system you think would be the best one, and why. You seem to have done a lot of research on this, or just know a lot about it! :grin:

I'd also like to know if you have an opinion on a wind system. The property we bought has a steady and constant wind blowing in the front of the house, as there are trees and open breaks of land and there is almost always a steady and light wind (it doesn't blow hard enough to blow you over!) :mrgreen:

As a matter of fact, I asked my husband for a wind chime for Christmas. I love the low, rich tone chimes. I have a mid range chime already and I can't wait to hear them blowing around.

I guess the next question I'd have would be whether or not a back up system is needed to have continual power. Is technology far enough along that a back up battery or generator is a smart thing to get or whether or not you just pay for power overnight. Can you get off the grid and just be tied into it without every really needing to utilize that tie in, or, is it more realistic that you will need to use grid power at night and solar/wind during the day.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:51 pm

Hi GodsStudent :
I think the best thing to do when going alternative energy, is to imagine what you want as an end result and know how much energy you will need to produce.If building a new home, consider spending money to eliminate energy hogs like hot water heaters.Get a solar water heater.Get solar air conditioning. They still make refrigerators that run on Kerosene and electricity.http://www.lehmans.com/store/Appliances___Gas_Refrigerators_and_Freezers?Args=
The best system i think to start with in trying to do it piece by piece is Grid-tie.You can start with one panel and keep adding to it as you get the money.You will need power from the power company to take up the slack until you have enough panels to handle all your energy consumption.
If you have the money you can get an off the grid system but this will have to have batteries for night running and to regulate the voltage on cloudy days.These can cost alot of money up front but you will have no power bill.
Contacting a company like tho one i linked to will help alot. Tell them where you want to go and your budget and they can put a system together for you.

As for wind, you can use the same kind that sailboats use and tie it into your solar system with supervision. Let the company your dealing with know that as well.
I never realized how much energy i consumed until i started to look into alternative energy. I don't have the money to even start, so i am trying to learn to live without power while i still have it. But that is another topic :mrgreen: .

May God Bess you in your endeavor.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Mrs. B on Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:43 am

Being Prepared Part Two....

Godstudent....so excited about you relocating to the counrty......or a rural area...

When we moved here......our family and friends gave us 6 months......that was in 1975.....and Praise the Lord we are still here......My husband is on the Radio on Sundays and we have a Church Building......not too full...but ready....

Get a Good Well.....Water is Important....We have our own well....plus a spring feed pown....
I don't know how much more time we have to get set up....I mean for those who are just now beginning...but we need to Pray and then Obey what the Lord is show you what to do.....
If you are in the City......Plan a way to get out of the city if necessary......not trying to put fear in anyone but we as believers need to be prepared........Trust in Jesus and use His Name.....There is power in the Name of Jesus....Satan has to obey the Name of Jesus......amen

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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:25 pm

Thank you Mrs. B and Small-Time. I talked to a friend's father who is retired, but was a builder for most of his life. My friend and I both want solar panels and he also wants them for his house, so we all decided he should learn how to build them and then build them for at least our three houses. It will give him work and he is able to research and get this done the best way.....far better than I would do at the task without a whole lot of effort, and I think my plate is already pretty full with this project :mrgreen:

We are very excited. The building has well and septic already. The well is dug 800 feet deep and tapped into a reserve (? is that what it's called when we are tapped into a huge body of water?). We are told we will never run out of water where we're tapped in. That's great, because I plan to water all of my gardens out of this reserve, too. I like the fact that you can see stars at night time. I like the wide open space. I like the quiet. Lately, every day when my husband and I get up, we talk about the sirens that we hear every morning and every evening. I won't miss all the commotion!
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby LONGINGFORHOME on Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:01 pm

I have watched several vids by the guy that tabs together his own solar cells. Wow, where do I start? He has an ok idea, but there are so many pitfalls to avoid. First, if you are not careful, you will have "cold solder joints" which reduce the conductivity of the "buss" and "tabbing" lines, which increases the resistance of the line. Second, when you are running the cells in "series" and you mess one up, you will get NO power transfer. Third, the "reflectivity" coefficient of the surface of the cheap solar cells ( and the glass you will need to cover them with) can drastically reduce the efficiency of the solar cells to generate power. 4th, the Vmax is .5Vdc, but you must also look at Imax, which is max current that you can generate. Which means you need to look at your power consumption to know how many cells you will need, not only voltage. It is possible to have the proper voltage for your applications, but not enough current. 5th, you will need to know if the cheap solar cells are guaranteed to have specified power output for a certain amount of time. Most quality solar cells with the proper reflectivity coefficients and glass coatings are rated to have 90% of of the Vmax output for 10 years, and 80% of the Vmax output for up to 20 years. This is definitely not true for cheap DIY solar systems. Which means you may need more solar supplies at a time when they are not available to you.

I could go on for a while, but time does not permit right now, traveling to Manila to prepare for our feeding program.

More things to consider are the rating for reduced efficiency under low light situations, max operating temps, and reduction of power at higher temps. Fluctuation of power under normal conditions without a battery and charge controller. Proper sealing of the units to protect them from shorting, many other considerations.

Patrick
Deuteronomy 4:30-31
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:03 pm

:( uhoh.

OK, sounds like the "regular joe" cannot "afford" to take on solar powered cells. Perhaps I go back to my original plan, which was to insulate well, control window air loss by putting in non functioning windows in places where I want light, but can do without the functional window, burn wood outdoors in a tinder box for heat.....look at ways to minimize electric cost.

Patrick, so good to hear from you. I communicated with Pastor Billy last week. It is horrible the loss of life in the Philippines, I think he said more than 900 people. Then, he said more than 1,200 homeless. Have you been there with Pastor Billy recently?
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby LONGINGFORHOME on Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:59 am

Lisa,
I believe it is more than 60,000 homeless, the army is preventing them from going back to flood prone areas that they were living in before, and more than 1246 dead, whole villages were swept into the ocean by the flash floods while they were sleeping. I have been in contact with pastor Billy, he is in the middle of the relief effort, thanks for staying in touch with him. I am here in Manila now, just back from North central Luzon island. He needs help, I am tapped out, only enough left for the feeding program for the street kids on new years day, only my fiance and her kids and I will hope to feed about 300 kids, dont know if i have enough left to do more, we have that many new testaments left to give out and hope to be able to feed a little more. We are doing this on our own, no support of any church in the USA.

By the way, it was her kids that came up with this idea, then we just found a way to make it work out. They are awesome kids and on fire for the Lord.

P
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Deuteronomy 4:30-31
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby LONGINGFORHOME on Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:17 am

I forgot, lol, there are some easy ways to manage your solar power problems, I will give you more info later, I am about 13 hours ahead of you, so forgive me if I dont answer right away. First, you will need to know what critical appliances or systems you want to run on solar, what power usage they require and then we can come up with a solution. It is relatively inexpensive to piece meal this out, dont worry too much. I am already looking into inexpensive solar systems to bring to the rural areas here, to give light and a cell phone charger, I realize you may need more than that.

more to follow later, look up flexible solar cells, there are companies in china that sell them on alibaba.com, they have minimum order quantities, but you can get around that by asking for samples, you will have to pay for them, but at least you wont have to order 1000, lol. then we talk about charge controllers and batteries, you wont have to worry about grid ties in the trib, how will you get paid by the electric company? Just disconnect from the grid altogether when the time comes. Also, look into the prepaid cell phones at walmart, net10 and tracphone are good, you can buy 200 minutes and 60 days service at a time for about 20 dollars, and the service time in additive, it is a way to keep from having to use your real name and a proper phone company while still having service. look into dynamos, many emergency radios have them and can charge a cell phone, its a way to stay in touch with others after normal service is disrupted by the trib. I have used them all over america, they work well, no roaming charges, never had a problem with them.

have to run,
take care my OLDER, whoops, i mean big sis, lol,

hasta,

Patrick
Deuteronomy 4:30-31
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:11 am

LONGINGFORHOME wrote:I have watched several vids by the guy that tabs together his own solar cells. Wow, where do I start? He has an ok idea, but there are so many pitfalls to avoid. First, if you are not careful, you will have "cold solder joints" which reduce the conductivity of the "buss" and "tabbing" lines, which increases the resistance of the line. Second, when you are running the cells in "series" and you mess one up, you will get NO power transfer. Third, the "reflectivity" coefficient of the surface of the cheap solar cells ( and the glass you will need to cover them with) can drastically reduce the efficiency of the solar cells to generate power. 4th, the Vmax is .5Vdc, but you must also look at Imax, which is max current that you can generate. Which means you need to look at your power consumption to know how many cells you will need, not only voltage. It is possible to have the proper voltage for your applications, but not enough current. 5th, you will need to know if the cheap solar cells are guaranteed to have specified power output for a certain amount of time. Most quality solar cells with the proper reflectivity coefficients and glass coatings are rated to have 90% of of the Vmax output for 10 years, and 80% of the Vmax output for up to 20 years. This is definitely not true for cheap DIY solar systems. Which means you may need more solar supplies at a time when they are not available to you.

I could go on for a while, but time does not permit right now, traveling to Manila to prepare for our feeding program.

More things to consider are the rating for reduced efficiency under low light situations, max operating temps, and reduction of power at higher temps. Fluctuation of power under normal conditions without a battery and charge controller. Proper sealing of the units to protect them from shorting, many other considerations.

Patrick


Well Patrick, you just did what i didn't want to do. You just scared everyone who was thinking about trying solar, out of it. :lol: :mrgreen:

You are absolutely right tho. There is a lot to consider and you get what you pay for. That shouldn't stop us from tinkering.
That is also why i was trying to suggest to get someone to help put the system together. A higher Quality panel will also give you more power per SQ foot and in lower light conditions.

Sounds like you need to give " Big Sis" a hand :grin: ,and keep post your ideas on this thread.
Thanx for your input and may God Bless you as well in the work that you are doing.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:00 am

:mrgreen: Fortunately, for us, this is not an emergency for right this minute. I look forward to learning about what you research and find out, Patrick. With your "background degrees," you are miles ahead of me in trying to figure out what system would be the best to set up. You and small-time are so AWESOME to take the time to discuss this with me.

I am going to go to PMs to talk with Patrick about his missionary $ needs. It sounds like you need some assistance, and I know Pastor Billy has asked for help as he is desperately trying to come up with $ to help fulfill basic needs like food and water and shelter in the Philippines.

For anyone reading and able, please consider sending me or LONGINGFORHOME a private message to learn how to send $ to pastor Billy or Patrick. Both are assisting with very poor and hungry parts of the world where your money is greatly needed.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby LONGINGFORHOME on Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:04 pm

smalltime,
Sorry, I didnt mean to scare anyone out of trying solar, just wanted to point out the considerations that are in front of them. There are lots of ways to do solar cheaply if you are not planning on hanging on to the status quo of running a whole household on it.
For instance, in a time when we are not able to buy and sell anymore, will you really need refrigeration for long? Will we need to run many multiples of lights at the same time? I have learned much about subsistance living from being both in the US Army SF, and much more by living with filipinos who are not used to running much more than 2 lights and a refrigerator, a very small one, sometimes no power in the house at all. There are ways to survive by hunting your food daily or fishing and living off the land. Many things not desirous to most americans can be done to survive, rat meat tastes like chicken, it really does. I have recently tried it. I enjoyed it immensely. Leaves and roots can be gathered for nourishment, things that we normally rake up and throw away. I suggest stocking up on seasoning, salt, and have good knives and light pans. Camping materials.

I realize this is not easy in most areas in America, but it can be done. I dont know or assume anyones mindset, but for sure it will not be a "Left Behind" scenario for living regardless of rapture timing. For those familiar with it, I can imagine a black out bivouac situation for most of the trib. Very small smokeless fires to cook your food away from your living and hiding areas. Scavenging for useful items wherever you can find them. Anything else is high risk and I suggest that when the time comes, most people need to try to get "down South" away from urban areas whether by bus or personal vehicle if possible. If not, pm me with your personal situation, we may be able to find an alternative, time is short. PREPARATION is key. Do not wait till it is time and then have no idea where to go, we can put out heads together and find ways to survive.There is another ex-green beret on this board, we can help.

I know I am willing to do anything for any one of you all, I believe he will help as he is able as well. But, I cant help if I am unaware of your needs.

Patrick
Deuteronomy 4:30-31
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:39 am

Thanx Patrick for the offer. I'm sure some will take you up on it.
Do you have a set of knives in mind that you would recommend.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby LONGINGFORHOME on Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:22 am

smalltime,
I have a set of custom knives I made of tempered steel in my old machine shop. I also have a set of good Gerber throwing knives. I recommend using Gerber if you do not already have a preference, they are quality knives and hold up well to abuse, as well as keep a nice edge. Above all, please make sure you dont use a knife made in china, more than likely it is not quality steel and may give out on you when you need it most.

Patrick
Deuteronomy 4:30-31
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:01 am

While i have never had a Gerber knife i have had and used one of their multifunction tools for years, every day just about. They are very durable so i will image the knives are of the same quality. Thanx.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:47 pm

Godstudent, way to go on moving to the country... We finally made the decision to move a few years ago after we had a home invasion where we were robbed while we were in bed sleeping (wife had a dream two men were at the foot of the bed and didnt want to wake me - because she thought theyd kill us... turned out it wasnt a dream afterall!)...

Now live in the wilderness and loving it.

Something to consider when you build, if you have some rock nearby consider it for a building foundation... With the wood stove in the basement the radiant heat from the furnace on the rock it acts as a radiator .... Also in the summer, the rock works to keep the entire house cool, asthough it were air conditioned!

You also will never worry about your house shifting... the only drawback to building on a rock is that you need to consider WATER is near impossible to stop from working its way between the foundation blocks and the rock... so you need to put the extra effort into ensuring the water is diverted away from the higher side of your house, around the house...... otherwise it will find its way through it. so be sure to put drainage pipes in the lower end as welll... itll just run in one side, and out the other worst case


Small time, I still think in a pinch I can make an automotive alternator generate me some power.... maybe not a bycycle but believe me you, if i need a battery charged bad enough I will find a way to make that thing spin !


Godstudent, check out the PHILLIPS STERLING generator.. they were developed in the Radio days so as to generate power in rural off grid areas from fire heat, to get everyone on RADIO before we had a grid.... i have seen them on youtube, they are awesome, getting your hands on one isnt so easy though, seems the technology was dropped and forgotten... But basically this thing generates power from HEAT, using convection... very handy if you plan to heat with wood and have piles of wooded land like I do. I have seen videos on youtube of people making their own sterling engines that pump water for them, using the pumped water as the cold cycle, dropping a piston, while the heat from their stove raises it.


ps.. anyone who knows where i can get an original phillips sterling generator, PM me ;) bet you the thing will be worth much gold in a year or two.
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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:54 pm

Small-Time wrote:While i have never had a Gerber knife i have had and used one of their multifunction tools for years, every day just about. They are very durable so i will image the knives are of the same quality. Thanx.



May I recommend the "Cheap as Dirt rough use knife"

it is 10 bucks, its an amazing value.. you can see people on the internet beating them to death ... cant get much for ten bucks these days.


Also recomend the SKS rifle for those on a tight budget.... can pick up these old russian SKS's new for under 200 bucks, and the ammo is very cheap, they are reliable, and shoot well, handy for the bush since the tool for tearing it down is the bullet, all your cleaning gear fits in the stock... Big enough load to drop deers and small game. 1000 rounds can be had for a couple hundred bucks online. The SKS and some seeds is the cheapest food insurance you will ever buy if economic collapse did ever happen.

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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:09 pm

, will you really need refrigeration for long?


It is all about having a cold cellar dug and ready to go while you still have fuel to run a tractor with a hoe on it.

Dig a hole in the ground, line it with stones,, fill it with saw dust, and in the winter pour/freeze large ice blocks, place these blocks in your cellar before spring thaw..... I forget the exact depth but I believe it is 6' and under it remains a constant 60 degrees, im sure someone will google it and correct me, but you get the idea.... If your building new I would put it on the north side of your house (shady side) if it is close enough to the house you can pipe it into an old ice box inside the house.


I keep an eye on the bargain papers, and look for people selling old stuff, we picked up an old style refridgerator (before hydro) basically an ice box for like 40 bucks... i got a 2 inch hole cut in the top of it, and one in the bottom.... keep the pipe handy so if the grid goes down, we run a pipe from the cold celler into the bottom of the ice box, and one from the top of the ice box outside, in the winter the cold IN can be piped right outside, along with a chunk of ice in the bottom ice box compartment from time to time...


Other then the few things you need to refridgerate.... can salt, smoke, sun dry, and can everything else i guess... the trick is running the scenerios through your head and making sure you pick up the stuff cheap now, while you have access to it, as you come accross it out there at yard sales and flea markets. We picked up a beutiful wood stove last summer for 50 bucks at a yard sale.... it will be going in one of our bush camps, I believe with the cost of steel today I paid less then it is worth in actual material... But people in the city see little value in these things and usually are just eager to find someone who is willing to haul them off.
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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby LONGINGFORHOME on Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:58 pm

xdrifter,
wonderful ideas you have there.

Godstudent,
in your climate you might need to dig a little deeper, but it is a great idea, and the cold cellar doesnt have to be that large. In my area I know i have seen cases of Bell jars for sale cheaply, just check the seals for rot.

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When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

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Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:20 am

xdrifter: Yikes. That's a horror story gone right! I have a similar, where my husband was out of town, and at 5 something AM I woke up suddenly, and expecting my husband, I walked through the house with a telephone, not turning on any lights, and when I got to the garage door, there was a man on the other side who was going to break into our house. He saw the phone in my hand and not sure what it was, he threw his hands up ("stick em' up style) and backed out of my garage. He ran down my driveway and got to the street just as my husband was pulling up (hubby had been to races with his father and brothers and was just getting back home from the long drive back). Hubby thought he was a "jogger" decked out in his all black attire. When hubby came through the door, I was on level 10 red alert and beside myself. I often thank the Lord for waking me up, because I know had the man gotten in and my husband come in just behind him, things would have gone very differently, and could have changed all our lives forever. The story with your wife's "dream" sounds eerily similar in that she seems to have been maintained in a dream state so as to not allow anything serious to transpire. It IS serious, though, when you wake up to realize you've been robbed while sleeping peacefully in your home.
Our new home is on a dirt road. That's safety IMO. Noone can get to or get away from our house rapidly. If they drive to fast on the dirt road, they will lose control. I like the added feature of degree of difficulty to get to our house.

We are installing a tinder box outside for burning wood and heating the upstairs. From what I understand, they use some type of ?plumbing? pipe and run it along the bottom of the floors. The heat radiates into the floors and then rises into the rooms. Other than needing wood, there is no cost involved in this heat system after installation. It won't heat the downstairs as we have a 6" concrete slab on the downstairs. This system will also heat our water while in use. Since we live in the south, we won't be able to run this system year round...actually, we will only be able to run it when it's cold.

My brother is also researching the cooling. He is talking about some ?fusion? device that cools water and carries it through the house? Along with that, we are looking at solar.

I am building a green house that will grow year round. I understand I will need to dig down pretty low to get the desired temperatures in the winter (temps that will not require electricity to maintain, where the ground will keep the temps in the greenhouse warmer). I will dig a root cellar in right next to the greenhouse so that I can store my goods, and I am sure I could use those blocks of ice that xdrifter was talking about in the root cellar. The root cellar will also double as a safe house of sorts in the event there's a tornado or something.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:56 pm

xdrifter: Yikes. That's a horror story gone right! I have a similar, where my husband was out of town, and at 5 something AM I woke up suddenly, and expecting my husband, I walked through the house with a telephone, not turning on any lights, and when I got to the garage door, there was a man on the other side who was going to break into our house. He saw the phone in my hand and not sure what it was, he threw his hands up ("stick em' up style) and backed out of my garage. He ran down my driveway and got to the street just as my husband was pulling up (hubby had been to races with his father and brothers and was just getting back home from the long drive back). Hubby thought he was a "jogger" decked out in his all black attire. When hubby came through the door, I was on level 10 red alert and beside myself. I often thank the Lord for waking me up, because I know had the man gotten in and my husband come in just behind him, things would have gone very differently, and could have changed all our lives forever. The story with your wife's "dream" sounds eerily similar in that she seems to have been maintained in a dream state so as to not allow anything serious to transpire. It IS serious, though, when you wake up to realize you've been robbed while sleeping peacefully in your home.
Our new home is on a dirt road. That's safety IMO. Noone can get to or get away from our house rapidly. If they drive to fast on the dirt road, they will lose control. I like the added feature of degree of difficulty to get to our house.


Your very right, maybe a blessing in disguise as you say. I had a weapon by my bed side at that time and my natural response to waking up to burglars might have been bad for everyone.

Now we have dogs and sensor lights all over our out buildings, I highly doubt I'll sleep through the next home invasion, but my hope is that it will never happen! I am of the mind that if someone is not afraid of your dog barking, or the sensor lights, and still make an effort to come into your home, then they are a physical threat to your families safety, like you I am down about 20 minutes of dirt roads outside a small town which on its own is fairly far from the big city. Not only am I up those dirt roads but tucked away in the forest pretty good. As far as I'm concerned most criminals are afraid to wander this far, especially given there is no real incentive for them to ! In the case they did, we have certainly invested in the means necessary to deal with it.

When we lived in the City, we were so used to the sound of traffic, neighbors and a continuous onslaught of background noise that you more or less have to be conditioned to ignore it if your going to sleep threw it..... It is pretty amazing in the country where you adjust to a level of silence (minus the steady noice of crickets and bullfrogs) you can hear a veichle comming up a road a mile away and it will rouse you out of bed.... Dogs actually seem to recognize and be able to differentiate between the sound of a familiar veichle, vs one that isn't... never ceases to amaze me!


I am curious about your underground greenhouse? is it going to have a skylight??? how will that work
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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:39 pm

Small-Time wrote:
Hey Small time, solar is still a bit pricey for me, and the sun isnt the best where I live for it. But I have dont some thinking since, as to the problem of moving the water to the house if the grid ever fails, I will yank an alternator out of one of my veichles, and hook it up to a bycyle to charge car batteries, move the water into a holding tank, then gravity feed for needs.

That alternator thing is not as possible as you think. Then need a high RPM and produce a heavy load. Power can be produced from a bicycle set up but with a different "generator". As with any emergency preparedness, it is good to practise your plans before they are a real emergency.

This is a small setup that is not to bad compared to others.
http://www.harborfreight.com/45-watt-solar-panel-kit-90599.html
It will charge batteries and be a great help when there is no power.


WIth a speed increasor you can make an alternator charge! will test it when i find time
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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:42 pm

Thanx Xdrifter for the suggestion. Them knives look tough. I think i will get one when i can. We don't have a CTD here.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:55 pm

I am curious about your underground greenhouse? is it going to have a skylight??? how will that work


I haven't worked out all the details to the underground greenhouse, yet. I know we will dig it deep into the ground, like you dig a swimming pool. The ground will keep the temp. steady and warm enough to grow some crops even in the winter. I am really into the new thing with greenhouses....which is to get windows that have been turned over to habitat for humanity and places like that. You build the greenhouse walls and roof out of the refurbished (and very cheap) windows. During the daytime you can open windows in the roof and also along the side of the greenhouse (if it's too warm in there). As I get more plans underway for the greenhouse, I will post about what I'm doing.

Oh, one cool thing to share. On December 31, 2011, my husband picked peppers again. He got one yellow and two red peppers off our SUMMER pepper plants! We also had a massive amount of cayenne and hot red chili peppers on those plants. Can you believe that???? True story!
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:05 am

http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-a-Nuclear-Attack

The Cold War ended over two decades ago, and many people have never lived under the shadow of nuclear annihilation. Still, a nuclear attack is a very real threat. Global politics are far from stable, and human nature has changed none in the last two decades. "The most persistent sound which reverberates through man's history is the beating of war drums".[1] As long as nuclear weapons exist, there is always the danger they will be used.

Is nuclear war survivable? Only predictions exist, as some say yes, others say no. For some, especially those in large population centers, it may seem like an entirely futile endeavor.[2] If it is survived at all, it will be by those who are mentally and logistically prepared for such an event. What should you do? Where should you take shelter?

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Keep an eye on the news. A nuclear attack will unlikely come out of the blue from an enemy nation. Such an attack would likely be preceded by a deteriorating political situation. A war with conventional weapons between nations that both have nuclear weapons, if not ended swiftly, may escalate towards nuclear war; and even limited nuclear strikes in one region carry the likelihood to escalate towards an all-out nuclear war elsewhere.[3]

However, an unconventional nuclear attack by terrorists could come without warning. Given the lack of a credible sovereign enemy, such attacks are very unlikely to escalate to a full nuclear exchange.

* Many countries have a rating system to denote the imminence of attack. In the USA and Canada, for example, you should know the DEFCON (DEFense CONdition) level:

o DEFCON 5. Normal peacetime readiness
o DEFCON 4. Normal increased readiness, increased intelligence and national security measures. (Cold War.)
o DEFCON 3. Increased force readiness above normal, American radio call-signs are changed to classified call-signs. Air Force ready to mobilize in less than 15min.
o DEFCON 2. Increase in force readiness, just below maximum. All forces ready to mobilize and deploy within 6hrs. (Declared only once during the Cuban Missile Crisis.)
o DEFCON 1. Maximum force readiness; the use of nuclear weapons has been authorized. This has never been used for the national condition, though at times certain military units were placed at DEFCON 1, for certain conflicts. [4]
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Learn about the different types of nuclear weapons.:

* Fission (A-Bombs) are the most basic nuclear weapon and are incorporated into the other weapon classes. This bomb's power comes from splitting heavy nuclei (plutonium and uranium) with neutrons; as the uranium or plutonium split each atom releases great amounts of energy - and more neutrons. The daughter neutrons cause an extremely fast nuclear chain reaction.

Fission bombs are the only type of nuclear bomb used in war so far. The development of fusion bombs has relegated the 'straight fission' bomb to history. All weaponized nations now possess Fusion bombs.
* Fusion (H-Bombs), using the incredible heat of a fission bomb 'spark plug', compress and heat deuterium and tritium (isotopes of hydrogen) which fuse, releasing immense amounts of energy. Fusion weapons are also known as thermonuclear weapons since high temperatures are required to fuse deuterium and tritium; such weapons are usually many times more powerful than the bombs that destroyed Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
* EMP Weapons. A nuclear weapon detonated at a very high altitude will generate an electromagnetic pulse so powerful that it can destroy electronic and electrical devices. Placing radios, flashlights in a SEALED metal container (a "Faraday cage") may protect from EMP, providing the items being protected are not in contact with the enclosure. The metal shield must surround the protected item completely - and it helps if it is grounded.

The items to be protected should be insulated from the conductive shell, since the EMP field washing over the shield can still induce voltages in solid state circuit boards. A metalized "space blanket" (costing about $2.00 USD) wrapped securely around a device wrapped in newspaper or cotton may act as an ineffective Faraday shield, helpful if one is far from the blast.

Another method is to wrap a cardboard box copper, or aluminum foil. Place the item in there and plug the device into the ground.
* Other Types. Nuclear science is kept secret for reasons of national security, so this list is not neccessarily exhaustive. Outside of science fiction, real scientists have speculated ways to create EMP weapons without nuclear blasts, create Cobalt-Salted ("Neutron") bombs to increase immediate radiation presence, and possibly other types.
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Seek shelter immediately. Aside from the geopolitical warning signs, your first warnings of an imminent nuclear attack will most likely be an alarm or warning signal; if not, it will be the blast itself. The bright light from a detonation of a nuclear weapon can be seen tens of miles away from ground zero. If within the vicinity of the blast (or ground zero), your chances of survival are virtually nonexistent unless you are in a shelter that provides a very (VERY) good blast protection. If you are a few miles out, you will have about 10-15 seconds until the heat wave hits you, and maybe 20-30 seconds until the shockwave does. Under no circumstances should you look directly at the fireball. On a clear day, this can cause temporary blindness at very large distances.[5] However, the actual damage radius is highly variable depending on the size of the bomb, the altitude of the explosion, and even the weather conditions at the time of the blast.[6]

* If you can't find shelter, seek a depressed area nearby and lay face down, exposing as little skin as possible. If there is no shelter of this kind, dig as fast as possible. Even around 8 kilometers (5 miles) you will suffer third degree thermal-burns; still at 32 kilometers (20 miles) the heat can burn the skin off your body. The wind itself will peak at around 960 kilometers per hour (600mph) and will level anything or anybody caught in the open.
* Failing the above options, get indoors, if, and only if, you can be sure that the building will not suffer significant blast and heat damage. This will, at least, provide some protection against radiation. Whether this will be a viable option depends on the construction of the building and how close you will be to the likely ground zero of a nuclear strike. Stay well away from any windows, preferably in a room without one; even if the building does not suffer substantial damage, a nuclear explosion will blow out windows at enormous distances.[7]
* If residing in Switzerland or Finland, check if your home has an atomic shelter. If not, determine where your village/town/district atomic shelter is and know how to get there. Remember: anywhere in Switzerland, you'll be able to find an atomic shelter. When the sirens sound in Switzerland, you are advised to inform those who may not be able to hear it (e.g. the deaf) and then listen to the National Radio Services (RSR, DRS and/or RTSI).
* Don't be surrounded by anything flammable or combustible. Substances like nylon or any oil based material will ignite from the heat.
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Remember: it's not the initial blast that creates the high death toll; it's radiation exposure. There are two threats of radiation:

* Initial (prompt) radiation. This is radiation released at the moment of detonation, and it is short-lived and travels short distances. With the large yields of modern nuclear weapons, it is thought that this will kill few who would not be killed by the blast or heat at the same distance.[8]
* Residual radiation. Known as radiation fallout. If the detonation was a surface blast or the fireball hits the earth, large amounts of fallout occurs. The dust and debris kicked into the atmosphere rains down, bringing with it dangerous amounts of radiation. The fallout may rain down as contaminated black soot known as "black rain," which is very fatal and may be of extreme temperature. Fallout will contaminate anything it touches.

o Once you have survived the blast and the initial radiation (for now at least; radiation symptoms have an incubation period), you must find protection against the burning black soot.
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Know the types of radiation particles. Before we continue, we should mention the three different types:

* Alpha particles. These are the weakest and, during an attack, are virtually non-existent as a threat. Alpha particles will survive for only a couple inches in the air before they are absorbed by the atmosphere. They possess a minuscule threat from the exterior, however, they will be fatal if ingested or inhaled. Standard clothing will help protect you from Alpha particles.
* Beta particles: These are faster than Alpha particles and can penetrate further. They will travel for up to 10 meters (10 yards) before they are absorbed into the atmosphere. Exposure to beta particles is not fatal unless exposed for prolonged periods; which may cause "Beta burns," almost like painful sunburn. They pose a serious threat, however, to the eyes, should they be exposed for a prolonged period. Once again this is harmful if ingested or inhaled, and clothing will help prevent Beta burns.
* Gamma Rays. Gamma Rays are the deadliest. They can travel for nearly a mile in the air and penetrate just about any kind of shielding. Therefore gamma radiation will cause severe damage to the internal organs even as an external source. Sufficient shielding will be required.

o A shelter's PF against radiation will tell you how many times less a person inside the shelter will receive radiation compared to open space. For example, RPF 300 means that you will receive 300 times less radiation in the shelter than in the open.
o Avoid exposure to Gamma radiation. Try not to spend more than 5 minutes exposed. If you are in a rural area, try finding a cave, or a fallen log into which you can crawl. Otherwise just dig a trench to lie in, with stacked earth around you.
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Begin reinforcing your shelter from the inside by stacking dirt around the walls or anything else you can find. If in a trench, then create a roof, but only if materials are nearby; don't expose yourself when not necessary. Canvas from a parachute or tent will help stop fallout debris from piling on you, though it will not stop Gamma rays. It is impossible, at a very fundamental physical level, to completely shield from all radiation. It can only be reduced to a tolerable level. Use the following to help you determine the amount of material you'll need to reduce radiation penetration to 1/1000:[9]

* Steel: 21 cm (0.7 feet)
* Rock: 70-100 cm (2-3 ft)
* Concrete: 66 cm (2.2 ft)
* Wood: 2.6 m (8.8 ft)
* Soil: 1 m (3.3 ft)
* Ice: 2 m (6.6 ft)
* Snow: 6 m (20-22 ft)
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Plan on staying in your shelter for a minimum of 200 hours (8-9 days). Under no circumstances leave the shelter in the first forty-eight hours .[10]
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Ration your supplies. You will need to ration to survive, obviously; therefore you will eventually expose yourself to the radiation (unless you are in a specific shelter with food and water).

* Processed foods are okay to eat, so long as the container has no punctures and is relatively intact.
* Animals may be eaten but, they must be skinned carefully with the heart, liver and kidneys discarded. Try not to eat meat that is close to the bone, for bone marrow retains radiation.

o How to Eat Dove or Pigeon
o How to Eat Wild Rabbit
* Plants in a "hot zone" are edible; those with edible roots or undergrowth (carrots, potatoes...) are highly recommended. Use an edibility test on the plants. See How to Test if a Plant Is Edible.
* Open water may have received fallout particles and is harmful. Water from an underground source, such as a spring or covered well, is your best bet. (Consider making a basic pit-style solar still, as described in How to Make Water in the Desert.) Use water from streams and lakes only as a last resort. Create a filter by digging a hole about 1ft from the bank and drawing the water which seeps in. It may be cloudy or muddy so allow the sediments to sit, then boil the water to ensure safety from bacteria. If in a building, the water is usually safe. If there is no water (there most likely won't be), use the water already in the pipes by opening the faucet at the highest point of the house to let in air, then open a faucet at the lowest point of the house to drain the water.

o See also How to Get Emergency Drinking Water from a Water Heater.
o Know How to Purify Water.
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Wear all clothing (hats, gloves, goggles, closed sleeve shirt, etc.), especially when outside to help prevent Beta burns. Decontaminate by shaking your clothes constantly and washing, with water, any exposed skin; settled residue will eventually cause burns.
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Treat radiation and thermal burns.

* Minor Burn. Also known as a Beta burn (though it may be from other particles). Immerse Beta burns in cold water until the pain subsides (usually 5 minutes).

o If skin starts to blister, char or break; wash it with cold water to remove contaminants, then cover with a sterile compress to prevent infection. Do not break the blisters!
o If the skin does not blister, char or break; don't cover it, even if it covers a large portion of the body (almost like sunburn). Instead, wash the area and cover it with Vaseline or a solution of baking powder and water if available. But, moist (uncontaminated) earth will do.
* Severe Burn. Known as a thermal burn, as it comes mostly from the high intensity blast heat, rather than ionizing particles, though it can be from the latter. This can be life threatening; everything becomes a factor: water loss, shock, lung damage, infection, etc. Follow these steps to treat a severe burn.

o Protect burns from further contamination.
o If clothing covers the burn area, gently cut and remove the cloth from the burn. DO NOT try to remove cloth which has stuck or fused onto the burn. DO NOT try to pull clothes over the burn. DO NOT put any ointment on the burn.
o Gently wash the burned area with water ONLY.
o Put a sterile dressing over the burnt area. In a mass casualty situation, a clean sheet may be used instead.
o Prevent shock. Shock is the inadequate flow of blood to the vital tissues and organs. If untreated, it can be fatal. Shock results from excessive blood loss, deep burns, or reactions to the sight of a wound or blood. The signs are restlessness, thirst, pale skin and rapid heartbeat. Sweating may occur even if the skin feels cool and clammy. As it worsens, they breathe short fast gasps, with a vacant stare. To treat: maintain proper heartbeat and respiration by massaging the chest and positioning the person for adequate respiration. Loosen any constrictive clothing and reassure the person. Be firm yet gentle with self confidence.
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Feel free to assist people with radiation sickness, also called Radiation Syndrome. This is not contagious, and everything depends on the amount of radiation one recieved. Here is a condensed version of the table:

(Gy (gray) = the SI unit used to measure the absorbed dose of ionizing radiation. 1 Gy = 100 rad. Sv (Sievert) = the SI unit of dose equivelant, 1 Sv = 100 REM. For the purpose of simplification, 1 Gy is usually equivelant to 1 Sv.)

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* Less than 0.05 Gy: No visible symptoms.
* 0.05-0.5 Gy: Temporarily decreased red blood cell count.
* 0.5-1 Gy: Decreased production of immunity cells; susceptible to infections; nausea, headache, and vomiting may be common. This amount of radiation is usually survivable without any medical treatment-
* 1.5-3 Gy: 35% percent of exposed die within 30 days. (LD 35/30) Nausea, vomiting, and loss of hair all over the body.
* 3-4 Gy: Severe radiation poisoning, 50% fatality after 30 days (LD 50/30). Other symptoms are similar to the 2–3 Sv dose, with uncontrollable bleeding in the mouth, under the skin and in the kidneys (50% probability at 4 Sv) after the latent phase.
* 4-6 Gy: Acute radiation poisoning, 60% fatality after 30 days (LD 60/30). Fatality increases from 60% at 4.5 Sv to 90% at 6 Sv (unless there is intense medical care). Symptoms start half an hour to two hours after irradiation and last for up to 2 days. After that, there is a 7 to 14 day latent phase, after which generally the same symptoms appear as with 3-4 Sv irradiation, with increased intensity. Female sterility is common at this point. Convalescence takes several months to a year. The primary causes of death (in general 2 to 12 weeks after irradiation) are infections and internal bleeding.
* 6-10 Gy: Acute radiation poisoning, near 100% fatality after 14 days (LD 100/14). Survival depends on intense medical care. Bone marrow is nearly or completely destroyed, so a bone marrow transplant is required. Gastric and intestinal tissue are severely damaged. Symptoms start 15 to 30 minutes after irradiation and last for up to 2 days. Subsequently, there is a 5 to 10 day latent phase, after which the person dies of infection or internal bleeding. Recovery would take several years and probably never complete. Devair Alves Ferreira received a dose of approximately 7.0 Sv during the Goiânia accident and survived, partially due to his fractionated exposure.
* 12-20 REM: Death is 100% at this stage; symptoms appear immediately. The gastrointestinal system is completely destroyed. Uncontrollable bleeding from the mouth, under the skin and the kidneys occurs. Fatigue and general illness takes its toll. Symptoms are the same as before with increased intensity. Recovery not possible.
* More than 20 REM. The same symptoms set in instantly, with increased intensity, then cease for several days in the "walking ghost" phase. Suddenly, gastrointestinal cells are destroyed, with a loss of water and excessive bleeding. Death begins with delirium and insanity. When the brain can't control bodily functions like breathing or blood-circulation, one dies. No medical therapy can reverse this; medical help is for comfort only.
* Unfortunately, you have to accept that a person may soon die. Though harsh, don't waste rations or supplies on those dying of radiation sickness. Keep rations for the fit and healthy, should supplies be in demand. Radiation sickness is prevalent among the very young, the old or sick.
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Most likely, a nuclear attack will not be a singular event. Be prepared for another strike or strikes by enemy nations, or an invasion by the attacking party.

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Be prepared for another blast. Keep your shelter intact, unless the materials used are absolutely necessary for survival. Collect any excess clean water and food that is available.
* However, if the attacking nation does attack again, it will likely be in another part of the country. If all else fails, live in a cave.
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamour and opposition." Sir Isaac Newton, 1642-1727

Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:08 am

How to test if a plant is edible

Drastic times call for drastic measures. If you ever find yourself stranded in the wilderness for several months without food, you're going to have to figure out how to feed yourself. You can survive for at least a month with nothing but water, you will lose about 20 lbs. However, this is not a suggested fad diet, once you start eating again, you will probably put most of the weight back on. If you're well prepared and knowledgeable about the area, you should have no problem finding edible plants, but if you are near death, and can't otherwise positively identify a safe plant to eat, follow these guidelines to test for edibility.

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Avoid ever having to use this method without careful planning. Some plants can be deadly, and even if you follow these guidelines perfectly, there is always a chance that a plant will make you seriously ill. Prepare yourself for wilderness outings by learning about the local flora and fauna, and carry a guidebook or taxonomic key to help you identify plants. Even if you are unprepared and cannot find food you know to be safe remember that, depending on your activity level, the human body can go for days without food, and you're better off being hungry than being poisoned.
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Find a plant that is plentiful. You don't want to go through the rigorous process of testing a plant if there's not a lot of it to eat.
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Find out if the plant is contact-poisonous. A contact-poisonous plant is one that causes a reaction merely by touching your skin. Rub the selected plant part on the inside of your elbow or wrist. Crush it so that the sap touches your skin, and hold it there for 15 minutes. If the plant causes a reaction in the next 8 hours, do not continue testing that part of that plant.
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Prepare a small portion of the plant part. Some plants are poisonous only when raw, so it's a good idea to cook the plant part you are testing if possible. If you can't cook the plant or if you don't anticipate that you will be able to cook it in the future, just test it raw.
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Hold a small portion of the prepared plant part against your lip for 3 minutes. Do not put the plant in your mouth. If you notice any burning, tingling, or other reaction, discontinue testing.
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Place another small portion of the plant part on your tongue. Hold the plant on your tongue without chewing for 15 minutes. Discontinue testing if you notice any reaction.
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Chew the plant and hold it in your mouth for 15 minutes. Chew the plant well, and do not swallow. Discontinue testing if you notice any reaction.
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Swallow the small portion of plant.
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Wait 8 hours. Do not eat or drink anything during this period except purified water. If you feel sick, immediately induce vomiting and drink plenty of water. If activated charcoal is available, take that with the water. Discontinue testing if you experience any adverse reaction.
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Eat 1/4 cup of the same kind of plant part prepared the same way. It is critical that you use exactly the same part of exactly the same kind of plant, and that you prepare it in exactly the same way as you did the initial sample.
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Wait an additional 8 hours. Abstain from any other food except purified water. Induce vomiting immediately as above if you should feel ill. If no reaction has occurred, you may assume only that particular part of the plant is safe to eat, and only as prepared during the test.
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Begin a new test, if the plant part you have chosen fails any of the tests. If the first plant part you choose appears contact-poisonous, you may immediately test a new plant on your other arm or behind your knee. If the plant causes a reaction before you have swallowed it, wait until the symptoms have disappeared before testing a new plant. If you have an adverse reaction after you've swallowed the plant, wait until symptoms have disappeared and start a new test. Although there may be edible parts of the plant you initially chose, it is preferable to move on to a different plant for subsequent tests.

Edit Alternative Method

If you are in a situation where you have access to other sources of safe food, you can incorporate this test into your diet more gradually by splitting it up into 3 stages, and using your 8 hours of normal sleep as the 8 hours of pre-test for each stage. Again, this should only be used if you are in a survival situation (e.g. your existing food rations are running low, and you need to start testing another source before your current one is depleted) or if you cannot find documentation for a particular plant and are willing to undergo the risks (poisoning and death) involved.

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Wake up and do the contact-poisonous part of the test. After 8 hours, eat a normal meal (not of the plant under test).
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Next morning, complete the test up to swallowing a single piece. After 8 hours, assuming you are still alive and well, eat a normal meal again.
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Eat the full sample of the plant under test on the 3rd morning. After 8 hours, celebrate life and the adding of a new edible plant to your experience by eating a nice meal.
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Don't disregard any other steps, or tips, or warnings; this alternative method is only to save your body from the stress of 24 hours of fasting, and enables you to continually test new plants in your area without going hungry for more than 16 hours a day, and only 8 hours on the final day, assuming 1/4 cup of the food can sustain you.

Edit Tips

* The guidelines in this article, particularly in the Warnings section, may rule out some edible plants, but these warnings are included to help you avoid some of the most common poisonous plants.
* Aggregate berries (such as blackberries and raspberries) are usually safe to eat. (Although in some places where blackberries are considered a pest, they may have been sprayed with herbicides.) One notable exception to this rule is a white berry that grows only in Alaska.
* Cook underground plant parts if at all possible, to kill bacteria and fungus.
* Peel ripe tropical fruits and eat raw. If you must eat an unripe fruit, cook it first. Follow all other test guidelines with these fruits unless you know the plant to be edible.
* Avoid plant bulbs unless they have the familiar onion or garlic smell.
* If you see an animal eating a plant, do not assume the plant is safe for humans. Some things that are poisonous to humans may have no effect on animals.

Edit Warnings

* In general, avoid thorns or spines. If such a plant has aggregate berries, the berries are safe to eat. Other exceptions include thistles and prickly pear cacti.
* Avoid mushrooms or other fungi. While many fungi are edible, there are many that are deadly, and if you are untrained they can be very difficult to tell apart even after you have tested one.
* Avoid plants with shiny leaves.
* Avoid plants with yellow, white or red berries.
* Avoid Hollyberries which are red and juicy these are highly toxic except to birds.
* Avoid plants with umbrella-shaped flowers.
* Avoid plants with milky sap (You should not eat dandelion stems, but all other parts are edible).
* Do not eat plants that have been penetrated by worms, insects, or parasites.
* Do not feed any animals any plants.
* Do not assume a plant that is edible when cooked is also edible raw.
* Do not assume that a plant is safe if you see animals eating it.
* Once you have determined a plant is edible, take care to make sure that subsequent plants you harvest are the same plant. Many plants are similar in appearance.
* Testing plants can be dangerous. These steps should only be attempted in a dire emergency.
* Before turning to unknown plants, look around to see if there is anything else you can eat such as coconuts, meat, fish or other things. If you cannot find another edible substance, be cautious about testing plants/berries.
* NEVER eat anything that smells of peach or almond as although these plants only contain small amounts, all plants that are related contain cyanide.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:05 pm

http://www.woodgas.net/files/FEMA_emerg ... ssifer.pdf
http://www.windward.org/notes/notes63/wal63_b.htm
http://gekgasifier.com/wood-gasifier-plans/
http://www.woodgas.net/paul_halvorson.html

Google WOOD GAS


Wood GAS Generator....

This technology was used to power Gasoline engine vehicles with wood during WW2 when there was no petro available for civilians use..

FEMA has made a document , see above; which explains how to improvise one in the event of a natural disaster, if fuel is unavailable. Any four stroke gasoline engine can be run on wood gas.


You can use this to power your Generators with Wood.... which will allow you to charge batteries etc.



Enjoy.
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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Spreading Salt on Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:18 am

Awesome! Thanks xdrifter. :a2:
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:43 pm

Thanx xdrifter for posting those links.I started looking at woodgas years ago and you really need to know how to do some welding and be able to get the material if you want to make something to run an engine. I bought a woodgas stove and it is amazing the amount of heat it produces for so long on such little wood.
One day i fired it up and thought that i would put a cast iron pan on to get warm while i went just inside to get some oil. When i got back the middle of the pan was glowing. :eek:

Here is a page of "free energy" devices that also has alot of other info i found interesting
http://www.free-energy-devices.com/
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:37 pm

i purchased plans from mother earth news for the wood gas generator. Brought them to a local trade college to the welding teacher, they are always looking for projects to build, if you pay for materials needed.

I myself dont have time between work and home life to build one of these either, never mind the metal fabrication skills.... Hope this helps.
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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby Small-Time on Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:05 am

Xdrifter, any news on the woodgas project?
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:18 am

The students are still converting the prints to drawings. They are painstakingly slow.

i started pricing others out, GEK has perfected a power pallet that runs on wood, they did all the work involved with changing the spark timing etc. to make it run a 10 kw or 20kw generator properly. They implemented a hopper, that uses the exhaust from the burns to pre-dry fuel. It is a very nice setup, but with a cost of just over 20,000 dollars

I realize energy independence on my homestead is not going to be cheap, so it is back to the mining camps in the bush for me. Lord willing i will be ready before the lights go out in North America.
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Remember me affectionately to good Dr. Price and to the honest heretic Dr. Priestly. I do not call him honest by way of distinction; for I think all the heretics I have known have been virtuous men. They have the virtue of fortitude or they would not venture to own their heresy; and they cannot afford to be deficient in any of the other virtues, as that would give advantage to their many enemies; and they have not like orthodox sinners, such a number of friends to excuse or justify them. Do not, however mistake me. It is not to my good friend's heresy that I impute his honesty. On the contrary, 'tis his honesty that has brought upon him the character of heretic.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby bchandler on Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:34 am

Another source for ready made wood gassifier is Victory Gas Works

They can provide a very well made gassifier for a lot less than 20K.

For 20K I expect that they could include a compression facility and storage tank and probably a generator too.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:51 pm

Yeah bchandler, at the said price it is a turn key energy solution, shipped to your door. Even has a small computer on board to sound an alarm when it needs re-fueling, or cleaning, etc.

It does have drawbacks though, they admit the system is not meant to run for pro longed periods of time... so it is not a final solution to off grid living, making it a very expensive solution to generating power, which only makes sense if you believe we are about to see the apocalypse.

Purchasing an item like this before any of the other many things you can imagine spending 20k on definitely tests ones faith... I imagine this is how Noah felt building a giant boat in his back yard?

Victory makes a real nice unit for around 30k... Which heats your home, water, and generates power... Had I known this before spending 20k on a wood boiler for my farm (which requires power to work) I would have spent the little extra money for the complete package and been done with it....

Certainly if you have the money, Victory is the way to go.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:44 pm

Vulcan Gasifiers makes more affordable gassers.

The hearth (where all the heat is) is not stainless steel like the victory though, so you cannot expect it to be as long lived.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby bchandler on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:38 am

Hmmmm... Last I saw, victory was using a ceramic hearth inside a stainless body made for the type of fuel you specify when you order. The ceramic should have been near indestructible, but I haven't looked at them for a while. Maybe they changed it.

Regardless, gassification combined with solar and/or wind feeding your battery banks makes a great solution. Not to mention that the waste heat can keep things like greenhouses toasty in winter.

The main fuel I was looking at was soft aromatic eucalyptus. The oils in the wood burn hot enough to fuse glass, and it requires little or no drying, AND it grows like 8 feet a year so a modest stand of trees would proved a permanent, zero carbon footprint fuel supply.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:44 pm

Bobby, you are so brilliant in these areas, are you selling books or doing a "survival" website or something, yet? You should be!!!
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby xdrifter on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:35 pm

Willow also grows like a weed. Not sure if it as good as the eucalyptus though.

Those Victory systems are amazing, but you need to have a lot of cash to get that setup. One draw back is that these Gassifiers do require an operator - which is what makes the price tag a little harder to justify considering it is not viable as an everyday use power station.

I haven't yet pulled the trigger on a system. But that was my idea, to use it as back up when there is no wind, or sun to charge the battery banks. I only need to generate about 15 AMP to run the house on my wood boiler, the circulating pumps and the well pump, as well as a few lights. As long as we have heat, flushing toilets, and water at the tap, the rest is all things easily done with out.

Decided in the mean time money would be better spent on a nice wood stove for the kitchen. Allows for cooking, and heat, coupled with a wood fire place we have in the house it is enough to get by in the short term. Long term I will be looking at a Gassifier and hopefully they will come down in price as they gain popularity - which they are, from speaking with the guys selling them they cannot keep up with the demand.

These Gassifiers as expensive as they are now would become priceless in a time of disaster. Would be a major help to the community to be able to generate power, especially from wood with a 10 KW generator. Would allow a guy to not only generate enough power for His own needs but also charge batteries for neighbors, which people in New Jersey following Hurricane Sandy were mighty thankful for.

I suppose what is fueling the sales of these things is people so convinced somethings coming that they are willing to hedge their bets on the fact one of these Generators will be worth more then the dough they had to fork out for them pre-disaster.

Where I live this kind of prepping is not considered crazy either. We experience 3-4 power outages every winter and have had several that lasted days.

More or less at the end of the line and not enough of us out here to ever get a line man to fix us before all of the priority areas with denser populations get back up. I am thankful for that because it has been a real hands on learning experience, showing us where we need to improve. First came the Generator for quickly powering up the whole house, then came the realization that with out batteries you have to run the thing constantly as long as you want power, which we need to run our heating system - sounds fine in theory until you realize how much GAS they eat in one night.

After a three day stint, the gas cans get low, we now keep every vehicle's gas tank full, always, but that is not the long term solution. That is what has me looking into alternative sources of power.

As prepared as many are in rural areas, you can never be prepared enough for long term disasters - or prepared enough for the 10 people who know you and are going to show up at your door asking for help.

Many don't think this whole self-reliance trend is crazy so much as they think, "if anything happens I know where I'm going!".

All of the sudden preps that may have taken care of your family for months will now last a week, as your party has increased its size suddenly. While I am sure non-believers will have no qualms defending their property for many Christians this will be a bit of a moral dilemma, and a true test of their Faith.

Has me questioning if the ultimate prep to consider is a remote camp no one but those willing to contribute knows exists.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby GodsStudent on Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:22 pm

We have a place here that makes soaps, body butters and so forth. They sell these containers that hold about 275 gallons of liquid in them. The containers are called IBC containers. They are like a super big milk jug built into a metal frame and are used to ship products overseas in bulk. You can't use all ibc containers to store things like water in, but the place near us has organic soap bases in them, and they're not dangerous....they're soap.....just wanted to share this.

If you google "IBC container" you will see a picture of these things. You can go to your local Craigslist and put that in and you should see some of these things for around $50.00. Make sure you know what was in your container before you consider it to store something like water in.
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Re: Being Prepared Part Two

Postby bchandler on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:14 pm

Godstudent,

those IBC containers are awesome, and many even come with airtight lids and liquid taps on the bottom making dispensing liquid from them a snap... just be sure u got it where u want it before you fill it... 'cause it's not moving afterwards with much short of a forklift. in fact, they r designed to be moved with a fork lift or pallate jack, and the metal frames make them stack-able up to, i think, 3 high.
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