Being Prepared

[CaryC]

Hey,

I've been thinking about what y'all have been saying about hunting .....the dissidents. I think y'all may be right. Hang the money to be able to do it. It's the obsessive, mad ruler, who demands worship at any cost. Who would probably spent a million dollars to squash an ant. You will have to pledge allegiance to get the mark. It's not something you just get like a drivers lic. or social Security Card. Only those who worship him will get the mark and have the privilege to buy and sell. Those who don't will be a thorn in his side. Be portrayed as those who are keeping the world economy upset, because of that, then they must hunt us.

[Pretzelogical]

Anyone thinking of weaning themselves off medicine since we can only get a month's supply at a time, and when that ends, that's it? Many drugs have adverse reactions if you go off cold turkey, such as hormones. I am really gonna miss my buddy the hormone patch. I look like this in two months.


Be sure you know about the drugs your loved ones are taking. How will people live without insulin, blood thinners for artificial valves in their hearts, etc. Natural remedies will be big business, and the New Agers are ready with all the answers people will want to hear. Lord, we pray...

[IamtheWalrus]

Anyone thinking of weaning themselves off medicine since we can only get a month's supply at a time, and when that ends, that's it? Many drugs have adverse reactions if you go off cold turkey, such as hormones. I am really gonna miss my buddy the hormone patch. I look like this in two months.


Be sure you know about the drugs your loved ones are taking. How will people live without insulin, blood thinners for artificial valves in their hearts, etc. Natural remedies will be big business, and the New Agers are ready with all the answers people will want to hear. Lord, we pray...

I think reverting back to the prescribed foods the Israelis were instructed to eat might solve alot of those problems.
A site worth checking out, I receive their monthly newsletter along with hordes of recipes, all seems very beneficial, if you don't mind eating in the raw

http://www.hacres.com

[Pretzelogical]

eating in the raw

Off to check out the site - thanks!

...while I eat cookies - ugh!

[CaryC]

Hey Pretzelogical

we can only get a month's supply at a time

It must be different in different parts of the country, cuz where I am, my doctor gives me a years prescription for my maintenance drugs. When I mail that prescription in, then the pharmacy sends me a 3 months supply. Granted if things kick in, I will still go off it.

[Stillwatch]

Be sure you know about the drugs your loved ones are taking. How will people live without insulin, blood thinners for artificial valves in their hearts, etc. Natural remedies will be big business, and the New Agers are ready with all the answers people will want to hear. Lord, we pray...

I was thinking about that as well, and some medications (such as insulin) require refrigeration.

We're pretty fortunate here, our only ongoing prescriptions are for nasal spray for one human and medication for our dog. I am wondering, though, what we could do for the dog if we ran out of his medication and we couldn't get anymore. I don't think there are any natural sources of thyroxine...

[Stillwatch]

I just happened to come across this site today...well, this page in particular:

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/foodstorage/

Main page is:

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/overview/

The section with the links to preparedness guides pages is interesting.

[CaryC]

Hey,

This is probably up somewhere on the board, but thought I would bring it back up. Been some threads about people stocking up on MRE's and whatnot, and here is a nifty little thing that some might be interested in: Emergency Food

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.as ... =en-US&s=1

[ilovejesus2]

Did you all notice on the Costco meals, that is says there's bold letters saying they are having a "big response" to these items??

[iamkk7ue]

Main page is:

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/overview/

Good catch Stillwatch
One thing that stood out to me on that page was the use of the phrase 'Homeland Security', 29 times. For some reason, that bothered me. Had a feeling that an attempted indoctrination was taking place.

Sorry gubmint, true homeland security awaits the church in heaven.

The other page was helpful, if occasionally redundant. Both are great examples of our tax dollars hard at work

On to the predaredness topic..... has anyone given thought to using, of all things, used military munitions canisters for food storage? They work great for lots of other things you want kept dry. My wife has concerns about taste issues using these cans. What do you think? They have a watertight seal on undamaged units. They come in various sizes and almost always have some sort of built in handle(s). Im thinking that a thorough cleaning and then paint inside with latex housepaint, and using seal-a-meal technology for the beans, rice and whatever this will work. Again, what do you think?

The thing that gets me though about having to stockpile necessities is that no matter how much I stash away, the AC will still await my supply out. Its not like you can go back and restock yourself a year into it without the mark.

Im just going to trust Jesus will have the best plan on all that. He's really all we have.

[CaryC]

Hey Stillwatch,

Sounds good to me. I don't/wouldn't think there is much difference than a 5 gal. plastic bucket with a lid. Whatever/however you would deal with a plastic bucket is the same I would use with an ammo can. The big culprit is always going to be air, even inside the can.

[burien1]

Hey Stillwatch,

Sounds good to me. I don't/wouldn't think there is much difference than a 5 gal. plastic bucket with a lid. Whatever/however you would deal with a plastic bucket is the same I would use with an ammo can. The big culprit is always going to be air, even inside the can.

How are we supposed to keep ammunition? I just keep mine in a dresser drawer.

[CaryC]

Hey Brenda,

It will probably vary, those with little ones, may not want to keep it in their dresser. I keep mine in...wait for it.....an ammo can, sorry. The rest I keep in my gun cabinet. The only other factor to consider is dampness. Which probably won't hurt this modern ammo, but "stuff" can build up on the outside of the case and make it not fit the chamber good.

[burien1]

Thanks Cary.
No little ones here anymore. I sold my pistol when my son was born. When he was nine, I bought a 22 rifle. First thing I did was let him fire it and feel the power of a gun. Took away his curiosity and let him know it wasn`t a toy. I live in the woods with a lot of big raccoons around and foxes. I caught a fox one day circling my cat. All I could do was scream to chase it away. I`m better prepared now. I bought a 12 gauge the other day because it was affordable. If things get really, really bad, the deer are going to regret eating all my flowers and treating my yard as if it was their dinner table.

That reminds me. Is there a gland or something on the hind quarters of a deer that has to be removed first , when you go to 'dress" them? [trying to word it nicely for the squeamish]

[Loop]

That reminds me. Is there a gland or something on the hind quarters of a deer that has to be removed first , when you go to 'dress" them? [trying to word it nicely for the squeamish]

Its the ball of hair that sticks out on the back leg, the skin and all, both legs inside, its about half-way up the back legs...

[burien1]

That reminds me. Is there a gland or something on the hind quarters of a deer that has to be removed first , when you go to 'dress" them? [trying to word it nicely for the squeamish]

Its the ball of hair that sticks out on the back leg, the skin and all, both legs inside, its about half-way up the back legs...

Thank you, Loop.
I thought I had heard that once, but wasn`t sure.

[CaryC]

Hey Brenda,

Concerning guns: A 12 gauge is a good choice. So is a .22. Not knowing how up you are on these, let me suggest:

Slugs and buckshot are for deer (recommend 00-double ought), No. 4 are for Turkey and Ducks, No. 6 (the all around shot) is for squirrels, rabbits, birds, No. 7 1/2 for birds (quail, pheasant).

Concerning skinning deer: A lot of what you may have to do, depends on length of time, before you get to the skinning part. For example we are in a hunting club. Once the deer is down, we can pick it up with a four wheeler and be at the skinning house in 15 minutes. With lights for night work, heater, and running water. So we don't "field dress" our deer. Also, because we want a gross weight for managing the herd through a biologist we don't field dress. If you down a deer and it's going to be hours before you get to the skinning part, then you would want to field dress it (PM me to get details), and probably then remove those glands you spoke of, otherwise don't. Those glands are on a part of the leg that you won't be using anyway. The reason for "field dressing" the deer is to cool the body temp. as fast as possible. The reason for removing those glands is that it is thought that those glands (along with some others) will cause the meat to have a wang to it. However, around in these parts, there are several butchers who will take the deer and process it for you (for a fee of course). Even still in the hide, all at extra cost. The deer that are brought there and placed in his freezer, the intact ones, still have those glands you spoke of. So if you are shooting one in your garden and hanging it in a tree in the backyard, don't worry about it.

If you (or anyone) wants some more info on all this just PM me, I think would be the better way. Smackbucket on the board is also an avid hunter, and can check some things through with him.

And if you want to check out your prowess as a hunter, and check on your shooting ability, here at least, squirrel season opened last Sat. If you gage how difficult it is by the squirrels around your house, you're in for a shock, be prepared.

[Loop]

will cause the meat to have a wang to it

LOL! We call it a "wild" taste... Never heard the word "wang"...

[GodsStudent]

Not to derail the thread, but we are fresh out of squirrels around our house, and rabbits and anything else that has fur, crawls on the ground, or is inclined to make sudden moves. We gave homes to 2 wild kittens a couple of years back, and all snakes, lizards, squirrels and birds that have dared to cross our property line have learned the hard way that they had bought a one way ticket to my garage doormat. All except for the live squirrel that Sunshine brought into the house. I had a near heart attack, it had a total heart attack.....Took my husband an hour to get me off the ceiling.

[burien1]

Hey Cary,
Thanks so much for all the info. I was clueless when it comes to bullets. I have to say, I love animals so much, I couldn`t shoot anything until the time comes that I would have to. There are so many deer and squirrels here, I shouldn`t worry about starving. If I can manage to hit something. I used to help my Dad clean squirrels and rabbits from the time I was 8. My older brother couldn`t handle it. I helped my uncle with a deer once , so I think I can handle it if I have to. I think with a rope and a block and tackle, I might have a chance of getting it where I want it. Really, really hope I never have to.
You`ve been a real blessing to this thread, Cary. I know all of us have learned from you.


Godstudent,
I have two worthless fat cats that lay on their bottoms sunbathing all day. The raccoons walk right on by them to get to their food dish and they could care less. One used to bring me snakes and drop them on my feet when I was working outside. After the second time doing it, I helped him outgrow the habit. There are squirrels everywhere here, but they only catch one about once a year. Maybe because I smacked them upside the head with the squirrels they kill. I know it is their nature to kill, but they are well fed. So I have tried to discourage them. If I put sunflower seeds out on the table I put corn on, for the deer, I`ll have about 15 squirrels at a time chasing each other and fighting over the seeds. It`s so much fun to watch.

[CaryC]

Hey,

Thanks Brenda.

We've got a sack full of cats too. Some body needs to come up with a name for that... herd, flock, swarm, school, or something. When the dry food hits a metal pan out back, it makes a certain sound. Everyone in the community knows that sound and comes running. "Coons and cats eat together, heads in the same bowl. If we are late feeding them, there will be 'coons and cats looking in the back door reminding us, we forgot them.

We have a Pecan tree in our backyard, out all by itself. Sherree was accusing the squirrels of eating them. She wanted to shoot them, too. I was like, naw, not with all the cats around. Cuz they would have to come on the ground to get to it, and chance those cats. I think the Lord was in this, cuz the very next day, I had to apologize to her and tell her she was right......again. (I think He plans these things). So I went running out thru there and up the tree I went. The crazy ol' squirrel went running to the top of tree, and was sitting cross ways on a limb, barking at me with a pecan in his mouth. Cats laying everywhere watching all this. So I got down and went back to the house to watch. Sure enough in a little bit he came down, with the pecan, and started tip toeing away. I went running out through there screamin' and hollerin', frailing my arms about, with my hat in hand. Man, now that was greased lightening. He took off like a bullet. Which just serves them right, cuz they are always cussin' us when we are out in the yard. We also have some crows in it, which is extremely odd, even while we are picking up pecans.

We use to raise Boxers (that's a dog) so our whole yard is fenced in, so we don't get many deer. We have had a fawn get separated from it's mom before and be in our yard. Mom jumped the neighbors fence, and the fawn jumped ours, not knowing there was another fence running the other way, so the fawn was fenced in our yard. We waited a couple of hours to see if it would make it back over the other way, and it didn't. So we had to run it down and catch it and released it on the other side. If you've heard stories about a deers feet are sharp and will cut you, well let me tell you its true. Even though we did what we could I don't think it made it, there was a slight smell in the air a few days later.

Let me tell one other story and then I'll quit, I promise. Sherree's cousin is a game warden. He ran over and killed a big ol' doe with his truck right in his yard almost. Well the doe had a very small fawn with it. He caught it and took it home. He had a big ol' hound dog that just had some puppies. Yep, you guessed it, that fawn suckled with those dogs that are used for deer hunting. They house broke it! Slept in the bed with them at night. Note deer are nocturnal. Took baths with their two boys. Would sit on couch and watch TV with them. When it got full grown, nature kicked in and she would be gone for a week at a time. John got her an orange collar to wear. Everyone knew about this stupid deer. She would come and visit with them every once in a while. Each year for about 3 years she would bring her fawn up to the house so they could see her baby. It doesn't have a good ending. Deer and hunters in the woods, an orange collar doesn't mean much.

Gosh is this the "Tell your wild critter stories" forum? Sorry for getting off topic. I just couldn't help following those deer tracks.

[burien1]

Hi Cary,
Your place sounds a lot like mine. Except I don`t have a pecan tree. I would love to have one, but it gets too cold in the winter here. That`s fantastic about the fawn nursing a dog! I`ve never heard of that before. I end up with the motherless fawns in my yard, after hunting season every year.They`ll latch on to another group, but they are alway`s forced to eat last.I put corn out for them until spring comes again or unless they start getting too friendly. I try to stay unattached now. I learned that lesson the hard way.I don`t hold it against the hunters, but my gut tightens every time I hear a gunshot come every November, wondering which deer I`ll never see again. I know deer meat is a lot healthier than beef and definitely not as cruel in the way they live and die.

I can only speak for myself,but I know everyone has to enjoy your stories. Keep `em coming. And God bless you and Sherree for being so good to all those critters in your yard.

[CaryC]

Hey Brenda,

Well, I'm glad you like 'em.

As for the animals around here....just fattening them up for the eventual day, ya know. (Not)

Here my little ones, just stick out your little finger, I mean toe, and let me see how fat you are. Hehehehe.

Loop:

Wang: verb, noun, adjective, depends on usage. Was originally a contraction of "wild" and "thang" southern slang for "thing". Stated out being "wild thang". As in "My, my ain't you a wild thang!" Then eventually became "wang". As in, "My, My ain't this here meat, got a wang (wild thang) to it."

It's a common word among the indigenous tribes of southern and south-eastern North America. If you ever want to be fluent in Southernese, we can start a course. They may even have it in Rosetta Stone.

Take careful notes there will be a test.

[Loop]

Loop:

Wang: verb, noun, adjective, depends on usage. Was originally a contraction of "wild" and "thang" southern slang for "thing". Stated out being "wild thang". As in "My, my ain't you a wild thang!" Then eventually became "wang". As in, "My, My ain't this here meat, got a wang (wild thang) to it."

It's a common word among the indigenous tribes of southern and south-eastern North America. If you ever want to be fluent in Southernese, we can start a course. They may even have it in Rosetta Stone.

And here I thought I was a hicky southern LOL! A lot of my cousins from Ohio laugh's at my hillbilly speach, now I've got a new one to throw at'em LOL! I gotta practice that one so when my hubby or our oldest daughter comes in with the next deer , I can tell'em, "Wow!" that meat has a wang to it!

[ilovejesus2]

The Lord just blessed!

Contacted a local greenhouse/nursery type place and they will do 3 free classes for us

to become more educated in growing food here in our particular area

Put it on my local boards to friends and you WON'T BELIEVE the response -

I mean, like 100 people in 6 hours!

[ilovejesus2]

Also, the Lord just blessed again!

Noticed a Native American guy at Walmart lately working there... real friendly.

Got talking with him several times and turns out he went into the "woods" when he was 15 with a Bowie knife and a bow and arrow, and came out 2 years later!!

He built his own shelters, hunted, fished, washed, protected himself... etc.

He is a Christian!

Today I saw him again, and got my courage up and asked him to come to my place (his Cherokee wife was there too!) and they said "yes!" to putting on a program for all my buddies and me on survival/wilderness, etc

He agreed to take us all on a hike after the presentation and show us all the stuff around here that is edible, water source "soundness", etc!

Yippie! Praise God!

[Salty Skipper]

For those wanting to stock up
by dandking on Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:41 am

Me and my wife decided to start trying to stock up on the necessities like rice, beans, flours, sugar and others. So we went to Wal-mart and purchased A Food Saver Machine, If you are looking to store food for long periods, this machine is a must have. A friend has been using his for about three years and he said the meat that he first put in the freezer has no freezer burn and is still as fresh as when he put it in the freezer. After using the Food Saver on Flour and Rice i can see where one could store certain things indefinitely.

I first bought: Brand name SEAL-A-MEAL it would not seal the bags without losing its vacuum so I returned it and purchased Brand name FOOD SAVER it is much easier to use and does a much better job on sealing the bag.dandkingdandking

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[Ready1]

If you ever want to be fluent in Southernese, we can start a course.

And here I thought that the language of the South was "Y'all".

[Salty Skipper]

If you ever want to be fluent in Southernese, we can start a course.

And here I thought that the language of the South was "Y'all".

Oh honey child, it goes much much deeper than y'all.

[sands]

Hello folks...Here's a website that sells freeze dried foods..I ordered some and tried it out along with my dad and it tasted good and it has a long shelf life...
http://www.mountainhouse.com/index.cfm

[mela]

On the local news this morning, they had an interview with an employee at a nursery. Seems that fall crops are flying off the shelves. I thought, oh great...been meaning to go myself for my fall/winter veggies, but put it off. Went to my local nursery this morning and the same thing.
People are starting to get the idea about the hard times to come. Don\'t think it is only Christians though.

[nonymouse]

10-5-08PM The Coming Famine, and How to Survive It

http://www.scrantonrevivalbaptist.org/page.cfm?id=15

(The pastor digresses at one point to local issues, but does return to topic at hand.)

[CaryC]

Hey,

Turned a big spot of my yard into ....at least preparation for next spring gardening. The thought struck me.....man I won't have to mow this, anymore. Cool! I wonder if we need an even bigger spot.

[ilovejesus2]

We are getting our gardens going as well

It feels good to get out in the sun and dirt and work!

So many plants can go in - even now - it really pays to go to a nursery and learn

Our classes are going well with our master gardener - much interest

I'm learning a lot

Remember! The original homestead (Adam and Eve) was a garden - and the original work was to - tend the garden

Also, check out what you can grow inside...

Maybe take your sunniest room and convert it into a mini greenhouse - get a humidifier? for those in cold areas

just my 2 cents

[Adamantine]

Gardening may be good. I like it but there may really be a drought and honey bee collapse whenever the tribulation occurs. I recomend supplies. Nothing will work unless God blesses however and so I recomend prayer and fasting now before the days are so difficult.

[oldbeans316]

What are peoples thoughts here about BOB (Bug out bags) or GOOD (Get out of dodge) bags.

For those who are not sure what I am talking about, a BOB or GOOD bag is a backpack that is filled with some bare essentials to survive. It's what you have on hand for if you are in a situation where you have to get out of dodge ASAP and so don't have time to pack up all of your food, water, etc in your vehicle.

So if you were in a situation where you had ten seconds to grab your bag and run out the door into the mountains... what would you want your bag to contain?

Obv the first and most important thing would be your Bible.

A bottle or two of water to keep you going for a couple days.

A bit of food that will last a few days (like high calorie energy bars)

First-aid kit

Perhaps a small water purifier system of some type so that you will at least have access to clean water after you two bottles run out.

What other things would be beneficial to put in the G-O-O-D bag?

[Stillwatch]

A good sleeping bag, a small tent...matches in a waterproof container. When packing for camping, I used to mentally run through my daily routine and that helped me remember all those little things a person might need. I guess because I live in an area with cold winters, I automatically think of winter survival...so some sort of thing to keep warm.

I was actually going to post about something else tonight...because I've had this bad cold, probably escalating to the flu (I think when your skin hurts, that's a sign of something nasty brewing. The fire in my throat is out and my voice is back, much to the delight of my family , but my hair hurts. ) and this got me thinking.

I know why I got sick--because I haven't been sleeping well or enough. I think since this stock market thing went nuts, I have probably been living on about 4 hours of sleep a night, and I've been in a state of hypervigilance during the day. (Not because I'm 'worried' about the stock market, but because I think this whole economic collapse thing is the start of some really big stuff, very likely leading to the NWO and I'm keeping a close eye on the situation, plus preparing spiritually, mentally, physically...)And that level of hyper alertness takes its toll on a body. So I was thinking about the fact that long periods of continual stress are hard on the body and on the immune system, and I think God wants and no doubt expects us to use the knowledge and tools He provides. So keeping that in mind, I think we need to pay attention to nutrition, as well as keeping ourselves emotionally balanced. Now the emotional stuff is going to come through prayer and trusting in God, and He WILL guide us. And I think if we're guided to have some good multivitamins on hand...that might not be such a bad idea either.

I've also managed to accumulate some books on local plants and medicinal uses for them. Just throwing that in there as another aside.

[Loop]

Try this again LOL!

For those of us who are blind "or mostly blind"...

It may be a good idea to have an extra pair of Glasses put up for emergency's...
Yea, I don't like glasses either but it may be hard to get the saline and cleaner for your contac's...
I would also make sure to have extra contac's and cleaner on hand too... for as long as they last...

And please don't forget about our pets...

[Stillwatch]

Technical problems, yikes! It's everywhere. This site. And we had an hour long power outage here yesterday afternoon. Then last night I spent until the wee hours of the morning trying to sort out another technical glitch on my PC.

Anyway...this all got me thinking...

Yesterday afternoon, during the power outage, I was able to open up the laptop, running on battery, and carry on with my Bible study because what I had done with the supplemental material I was using was copy and paste it from the web pages to word files on my hard drive. So although my internet access was cut off (modem needs electricity), I ended up happily surrounded by Bibles and a big end time chart (by Van Kampen) with post-its with scriptures written on them, stuck in appropriate spots, and my laptop with the reading material and e-Sword.

So...keep your laptops and cell phones fully charged.

And if there is online information you like, copy and paste it onto your hard drive. I say copy and paste rather than just save the web pages because I once had a funny (strange) thing happen when I saved a web page. My PC saved it as an executable instead of the usual .html and security software tagged it as spyware. While it was on my PC, whenever the browser was open it kept trying to establish a dialup internet connection, which I don't even have. So this was a whole bunch of scanning with multiple security software and dealing with castlecops.com and getting hijackthis logs read to make sure all was well. I will never save a web page again. So...copy and paste. Use Firefox or IE for that if you're going to an MS Word .doc, because Opera won't keep the formatting.

Keep extra paper and printer ink on hand, too, in case you're in a situation where you might want to print hard copies of stuff from your computer, if you have time and electricity to do that.

[IamtheWalrus]

A good site that I get most of my outdoors/survival stuff from is http://www.campmor.com

They get all the surplus of name brands etc and their prices are really good.

[Salty Skipper]

Try this again LOL!

For those of us who are blind "or mostly blind"...

It may be a good idea to have an extra pair of Glasses put up for emergency's...
Yea, I don't like glasses either but it may be hard to get the saline and cleaner for your contac's...
I would also make sure to have extra contac's and cleaner on hand too... for as long as they last...

And please don't forget about our pets...

This reminded me of the magically disappearing post I made last night. There are two places that I have heard of on the internet where one can purchase extremely inexpensive prescription eyeglasses. I've heard that you can get a good pair for as little as $8. Thought these links would be helpful. I think all you have to have is your prescription and the type of frame you want. Haven't used these places personally, but have heard several good reviews on another message board. fwiw

http://zennioptical.com and www.eyeglassfactoryoutlet.com

[CaryC]

Hey,

Speaking of "magical disappearing posts", I understand that some unknown, unseen entity, stole my posts straight out of the ether. Well, not to be out done by some interdimensional jumping gremlin, I'll try again.

I remember having a small conversation with Burien1 which ended in recommending/giving info on GI canteens and accessories because they are well worth the extra dollars because they stand up to wear and tear during rough and prolonged use. Which can be had along with other GI stuff at: Brigade Quartermaster, US Calvary, and The Sportsman Guide, all of which have online catalogs.

I also made some recommendations for a BOB (Bug Out Bag):

A high quality hunting/survival knife, and the means to sharpen it, wet rock, or one of those new contraptions in the camping section at wal-mart. A high quality hunting knife will stand up to wear and tear, and still hold an edge, won't chip, break, or bend. I also think a rather large one is better than a small one. You could also put a "swiss" knife in there, to convert to pocket when you bug out. I have two that I use now for hunting etc. one of which is a "Buck" and the other one with a cut hook is a "Gerber". I highly recommend those two brands.

Matches have been recommended but I would take that one step further and say a "tinder box" setup. I have a metal can, which is a special WWII single man cooking setup, they don't make anymore, but would think that one of those small coffee cans would work, to store all the tinder stuff in and then when bugged out, can use to cook in. Here's what I have in my tinder box: a box of kitchen matches, that I waterproofed by dipping them in fingernail polish, 3 butane lighters (these can get wet, let dry and use), 2 magnesium bars with an old navy knife to scrape them with, a wire saw for cutting small wood and snares, a P38 can opener, a magnifying glass, a wet rock, and a small survival fish net (you're not fishing for sport, its serious for survival), and a partridge in a pair tree. I have another small can for actual tinder. As you see there are several different items for making fires, because 1) fire is important for survival and 2) differing environments and climates can dictate how you make a fire.

If you got room to include luxuries in your BOB take a couple of rolls of toilet paper.

A survival book. The Armies FM is a good one. Been wanting to look at the Boy Scouts book it may be a good one.

If you have a big enough bag, a camp axe (by Gerber recommended, not the wal-mart brand) and GI poncho, which doubles as a tent, lean to.

After all that is done take a look at how much room you got left. If you can't think of anything else come back and we'll try filling it for you. Also if you don't understand something I've written, let me know.

[ilovejesus2]

O.k., we've got our ongoing monthly free lectures now for families at the local nursery - about what we can grow here

This saturday the 2 cherokee native americans are coming to talk about wilderness survival - and also hike around with my family (and about 100 others!) to show us what we can eat in the wilds around here

Yesterday at church I asked the former military dad (was in Iraq) if he would be interested in doing a firearms education "thing" at our place, --- he said YES! Praise God!

He had some interesting things to say.... I asked him what he thought would happen in an Obama Presidency - and he did not hesitate - he said immediately - we will be attacked

He said he is preparing his family for this possible eventuality - and we went on to discuss what Christians should be doing - PRAYING FIRST - and then physical things -

It was a wonderful conversation and we learned a lot already....

Ask God to bring people into your life (maybe people already at your church!?) who you can "tap into"...

[Loop]

After all that is done take a look at how much room you got left. If you can't think of anything else come back and we'll try filling it for you. Also if you don't understand something I've written, let me know.

More toilet paper. Several of us on here do not like the alternative's...

[CaryC]

Hey,

ilovejesus2: "You're dessssspicable" (imagine Daffy Duck) go ahead and rub it in on us!!!!!

Loop: You might be interested in knowing that "Lamb's Ear" is nature's toilet paper, which is way better than Caleb's catalog.

[Loop]

Caleb's catalog.

I thought it was Sear's , "the wish book"...

[CaryC]

Hey,

Just thought about putting this here. We got 4 fruit trees today and planted them in the yard. We've been waiting for today ever since late spring. Got a place all fixed up for them. One apple, one peach, and two plums (needed two plums so they can cross pollinate, the other two are self pollinating), and they are dwarfy, the apple tree will be pretty big at 20 feet, the others won't be. They told us that they will bloom some next year, but won't do much on the fruit side, but the next year should start producing a good crop of fruit. Their cost 25.00 each.

Just wanted to let you guys and gals know that now is the time to be putting them out and if you get them from a nursery you can be canning/piemaking/eating in two years. Also, wanted to let you know the cost, which seems reasonable to me. If you go to your local nursery and get them they will have the kind that will grow good in your area.

Since we are going to have a bigger garden next year, we chose a spot that would put the trees to the north side of the garden, so as to not cast a shade on the garden itself. Also remember to plant and consider them in their full size when planting.

[extravagantchristian]

I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but 2 drops of chlorine bleach sanitizes 1 quart of clear water. Not sure about murkey water lol.

[CaryC]

Hey,

Adamantine: I too long for the days gone by when Christian leaders would stand up and defy the established concept. Each great awaking did that. But alas, I fear we have entered the age of Apostasy. And perhaps the only leader that will arise is the only one we need, Jesus Christ. He is the only leader we need. He is the only one we should follow. It's just totally amazing to me. Sherree and me have gone through a bunch of stuff, as I am sure others have, (that's not the amazing part) and as we have struggled through, and prayed and studied on our own, searching, we all have arrived at the same spot. We each did it privately, we thought we were the only ones, but we found out there were thousands of folks gong through the same struggles and arriving at the same spot. It's all about Jesus. Totally amazing! I think in the last days He will be the only leader we want, need, or follow.

To shift gears a little:

I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but 2 drops of chlorine bleach sanitizes 1 quart of clear water. Not sure about murkey water lol.

Yea, the chlorine kills bacteria, but won't do anything for mud, silt, etc...., but distilling will. Bring that ugly ol' nasty water to a boil, then capture the steam, when it cools it's 100% drinkable water. Mud, silt, doesn't turn into steam, only water does. The Navy collects salt water, and runs it around their boilers, heats it to 212*+ captures the steam and then uses it for showers, drinking water, etc.... How to do it. I'm sure there are all kinds of variations, so here is just one: Using a kettle, like a tea kettle, one with a spout, fill with water and bring to boil (if you don't have the chlorine let it boil for a minute or two to kill the bacteria). Cover the spout with a drinking glass (tea glass?) as the steam condenses it will collect on the sides of the glass and when enough has collected it will start running out of the glass. Put a bowl to collect the distilled water under the glass. Note: everything is going to be hot, and can burn you (have an Aloe plant near by) the bowl or pan should be one that can take heat since it will be right next to the tea kettle. You can rig some kind of hose over the snout of the tea kettle and run it away from the heat, which would work just as good. Anything that will capture the steam and let it condense and then having a means to collect the run off, will work.

[CaryC]

Hey,

Been thinking about adding this thought to the thread.

I hunt, and for the past several years it's been mostly for deer, exclusively. Realistically though, in a survival setting small game will probably be the staple. I'm thinking that a .22 could easily be an all round gun. Haven't hunted with a .22 in years. When Sherree said the squirrels were eating up our pecans and she wanted to put a stop to it, I thought what the perfect opportunity. Got out the ol' .22 and made sure it was still zeroed, and waited. Kept it by the back door, so when I saw some out there in it, I was on it, quick.

Well, there was one in it the other day. Grabbed up that .22 and took aim, nothing. Went out there, and got under him, and shot 10 more times and missed that sucker every time. He was just jumping between branches fussing at me. It was disgusting. He finally came down the tree right in front of me and run off. Man I was fuming. Somebody had done knocked my gun and moved the sight. I was knitting my eyebrows at Sherree, and then said naw, it had to be the cat. Grabbed up some more ammo and went stomping out the door, going to zero my gun. Shot 10 times and they were all in the 10 range (bullseye) at different distances too. My conclusion: It was me (duh), and not having practiced with live small game, as compared to shooting at a standing still target.

Moral of the story: When it finally comes to going into survival mode, if you haven't practiced what you have been preparing for, you're going to be on a sharp learning curve. And if you can't get it down quick, you're going to be in a real hurt. That goes from practicing making fires to shooting live game. Go get a gun, while you can, go to the range, go hunt, your life may depend on it.

If anyone wants some more info on guns, what kind, what will it be good for, prices etc... either put it up here or PM me. If anyone is thinking about taking up hunting, check with your states laws, but I think most are near the same in that you must have a hunter safety course if you were born after a certain year, and before you can get a license.