My Name is Lucifer

[sheri]

Eye opening article about " the Mother of All Harlots".

http://www.prophezine.com/PZArticles/MyNameisLuciferByRayGano/tabid/816/Default.aspx

[GodsStudent]

[4givenmuch]

[brandonCali]

cool post, is the morning star supposed to be the moon or Venus??? and doesnt the bible call Yeshua the morning star? so why would people think it is also satan????

[brandonCali]

found this info guess it answered half of my question
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/Morning-Star.htm

[4givenmuch]

Thanks for the second post BrandonCali, the first one had me scratching my head.

[Salty Skipper]

The OP link has much, much truth in it. Much truth.

[Salty Skipper]

One thing not covered at the OP's link is the sun worship that is also common thread among the religions of satan.

Interesting symbolism:
http://www.barackobama.com/people/

[4givenmuch]

I have to say, I am looking at cars and signs with new eyes ever since I read this post! Even the SD Chargers have a bolt in the shape of a crescent!

[ruotsher]

I am 100% on board with this guy and came to the same conclusion a couple years ago.......

[Keeping Alert]

I Show You A Mystery

John uses the word “Mystery” in Rev 17:5 the same way that Paul often used mystery to tell us that he is giving us a clue or insight into something. In the context he is saying, and this is a Ray paraphrase “ Hey pay attention, I am telling you something special here, I am giving you a clue.”

For example we read in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 about the rapture. Here Paul uses the word “mystery”

1Cor 15:51 -52 (KJV) Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

In other words, he is giving us a clue, he is telling us something here that we need to pay attention too.

The mystery that Paul is telling us about is dealing with the rapture and the certain details that we as Christian need to understand. It is a “mystery because this event will take place in the future. But more importantly, because it is a future event it is something that we do not fully understand because we look through the glass darkly. This is why both Paul and John used the word mystery.

What has this verse to do with the rapture???

[tater]

The state flag of South Carolina has a crescent moon on it.

[brandonCali]

and this cbs camera has a inverted star....

[ruotsher]

Time Warner Cable logo is the eye of Horus.

[Trepid]

Brandon, that logo is sideways. Look at the 'eye'.

[brandonCali]

ehh whatever i thought it was interesting, you can tell the star is some kind of sticker so who knows what its about

[FreeInHim]

The OP link has much, much truth in it. Much truth.

Sorry, now I'm lost. The OP link?

[Salty Skipper]

The OP link has much, much truth in it. Much truth.

Sorry, now I'm lost. The OP link?

The Original Post, including the link.

[FreeInHim]

Up to speed. Thank you!

[revelation2012]

Was watching the night ski a while back. I was thinking how almost at some point venus, the bright star in the west at some point will look as it is sitting within a crecent moon. I wonder if it does if it will trigger something . . . ?

[Thunder]

What an eye opening article! I am terribly disturbed by the RNC logo change...

[in2truth]

To the person who said that the Sun god wasn't mentioned in the article, it was. The sun god's name is Ra. Ra was mentioned.

Have you noticed how the mainstream media are broadcasting a lot of mother earth and sun worshipping stories lately?

The world is being conditioned.

[grace2all]

Wow! Just wow!! What an interesting and eye opening take on Mystery Babylon...Oops..I mean Mystery [Pause] Babylon the Great.

[revelation2012]

The icons mentioned in this article are only a few that permeate the entire nation. They are all over Washington DC. Known satanist Albert Pike, former confederate general, and the only confederate general honored with a statue is in Judiciary Square. Congress authorized the placement of a statue to Albert Pike on Federal land in Washington, D.C. on April 9, 1898, in Joint Resolution 20 (30 stat. 737). The Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, which Pike led for 32 years, sponsored and paid for the statue's erection, as recognition for his long service to the Scottish Rite. At the time of erection, the statue stood in front of the Scottish Rite House of the Temple. The enabling legislation does not refer to Pike's service in the Confederate Army. He was elected Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite's Southern Jurisdiction in 1859 and remained so until his death. He wrote Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry which is openly in favor and support of lucifer as the true god.

Why with so many protest to confederate symbols, do many men of African American heritage do not protest this statue. Especially with his connections to the KKK as well. Notable African Americans who are freemason are Colin Powel, 33rd Degree mason, and our own President Barak Obama, who is reportedly a 32nd degree mason. Ironically Louis Farrakhan is reportedly a freemason. I think it is because to many people who follow freemasonry the statue of Pike symbolize much more.

Why is his statue in Washington DC? He for sure did not have a stellar or honorable career as a confederate general. Certainly there are more deserving or honorable CS soldiers who should have a statue than Pike. I would guess it is supposedly his connection to the satanic freemasonry. The symbols of satanic idolatry are all over this nation.

Another thought I came across a while back is this . . . The secret knowledge of freemasonry is given when one reaches the level of 33rd degree status. Now when I look at the book of Enoch, the secret knowledge that the fallen angels gave man was on Mount Hermon, Israel. This mountain falls on the 33rd degree parallel. Possible connection . . . ? Think about it . . .

Also I recently came across some information that implicate Karl Marx was a known satanist and possibly a satanist preist as well. Is it any wonder why the entire globe is headed toward communist/socialist style one world govt?

[in2truth]

Here is a quiz question for you....

What is the name of the lady (statue) that stands on top the Capitol Building in D.C.? Not her common name 'Freedom', her actual name.

What is her history and why is she on top of a federal building?

[revelation2012]

Here is a quiz question for you....

What is the name of the lady (statue) that stands on top the Capitol Building in D.C.? Not her common name 'Freedom', her actual name.

What is her history and why is she on top of a federal building?

Persephone, the goddess of darkness or queen of the underworld.

[tdye84]

Here is a quiz question for you....

What is the name of the lady (statue) that stands on top the Capitol Building in D.C.? Not her common name 'Freedom', her actual name.

What is her history and why is she on top of a federal building?

Persephone, the goddess of darkness or queen of the underworld.

Seriously? Oi.

[tdye84]

Here is a quiz question for you....

What is the name of the lady (statue) that stands on top the Capitol Building in D.C.? Not her common name 'Freedom', her actual name.

What is her history and why is she on top of a federal building?

Persephone, the goddess of darkness or queen of the underworld.

Seriously? Oi.

So, why is the goddess of darkness nicknamed "Freedom?" Freedom from what? What does darkness free you from? Moral boundaries, perhaps? Have the people who put her up there simply wanted to shake off the chains of morality so that they could be free to serve whatever god permits them to satisfy their darkest lusts?

Okay, maybe it's a stretch.

[Joe17]

This guy is an IDIOT....here is why.....

Ok, I want someone who you love and loves you unconditionally, your child, your husband, your wife, your grandfather....

Now, kook them in the eyes, you see their love for you....think about it, look at your wife, your husband....now tell them how much you love them and you know they love you.....then proceed to tell them their mother is a whore, evil, ....rattle off any hideous name that comes to mind, go ahead, feel free....could you do it?????

If you could how do you thing the person you love would view you then????? If they love you unconditional and their mercy was endless of course they would forgive you....

When you were a child, and you wanted something very important...in my house growing up my dad worked and mom was a homemaker.....dad had the money and I'd go to him ask for new model plane or car, toy, etc.....and if he'd say NO, what would I do.....I'd ask mom to ask him, I'd win her over to my side and have her ask dad, if I could get her to ask...chances are, it be about 50/50....which was better than zero when I asked my dad.....

That is Mary, the Mother of God....do you really thing He does not love His Mother as you love your own mother? Do you think He is offended by the blasphemies directed at her? And if She asked Her Son for something on your behalf, just as with your own mother, you have a better chance of getting it don't you think?

Like I side, the article is spewing **** about Jesus's Mother....the author is an idiot.

[Abiding in His Word]

When you were a child, and you wanted something very important...in my house growing up my dad worked and mom was a homemaker.....dad had the money and I'd go to him ask for new model plane or car, toy, etc.....and if he'd say NO, what would I do.....I'd ask mom to ask him, I'd win her over to my side and have her ask dad, if I could get her to ask...chances are, it be about 50/50....which was better than zero when I asked my dad.....

Hello Joe17,

Do you know of a scripture that infers the principle of asking the mother of Jesus for anything? Far as I know, there is only One designated as a mediator between God and man....Jesus.

1Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus....

While the example of persuading your mom to contradict what your dad said is not only not scriptural, but a poor example of pitting two parents against one another and disrespecting your dad's answer. It also seems to encourage manipulation on the part of the child. Do you agree?

[Swayde]

Joe17 please read your Bible, on your own. Don't listen to the priests and take their word for it. There's a lot of very unbiblical teachings in catholocism and in many of today's modern churches. Your example of your family is definitely not scriptural and I agree 100% with Abiding's response. We are not to pray to any dead person, or speak to the dead at all. The Bible is clear on that. Mary is dead. She was a wonderful person, but she's dead. Jesus is NOT dead, he was raised on the 3rd day, alive, Praise God! God is not dead....therefore, do not pray to anyone else, it's a lie from the pit of hell.

[Mttw633]

And now we begin to understand why no one is coming to Israel's aid now when it comes to Iran and their nuclear goals...(speaking of Ahmadinejad is going to make some announcement tomorrow on their dubbed 'Nuclear Day'-wouldn't you know it coincides with Passover...

Speaking of Albert Pike, here's a brief snippet from a site: he received a demonic vision, described below. On January 22, 1870, Pike and one of his international co-conspirators, Guiseppe Mazzini, published the Plan which would establish the New World Order. This Plan was kept very secret, only within Freemasonry circles since the time of its inception, known only to fellow occult Illuminist conspirators. (This information is taken from a book from a former Luciferian Illuminist, Doc Marquis. His book is "Secrets of the Illuminati" and reveals much formerly hidden detail known only to Illuminists)
III. The Third World War was foreseen to be between Judaism and Islam. This prophecy is incredible in many ways, beginning with the understanding that this prophecy of a third world war occurred in 1870, a time when Israel did not exist as a nation, and when no one except Fundamentalist, Bible-believing Christians believed it would ever exist again.

Watch the events in Israel very carefully, because the final chapter is being written there. The demonic 'guiding spirits' of Freemasonry, of the leaders of the New World Order Plan, are planning a final, definitive Third World War, which will begin between Israel and her Arab neighbors and spread to the entire world. Literally, out of the smoke and destruction of this Third World War, Antichrist will come striding!

Now, here is the most interesting aspect of this demonic plan; it fits with Scripture!! God foretold Last Day's Judgment on the Arabs in several places.

[pegmo]

Joe17,

Please read Jeremiah 7:16-20, 44:15-19 and 44:24-29. Then ask yourself this question: Why is the Queen of Heaven (also the title given to the Mary of the Roman Catholic Church), mentioned in a book written in 600 BC? And why is God's wrath and anger kindled by those who worship Him and have a relationship to her? When you have time read all of chapter 7 and 44 - its an eye opener for those willing to listen to the Truth of where the Catholic concept of their sinless, ever-virgin, ascended to heaven, co-mediatrix "Mary" came from......

[revelation2012]

And now we begin to understand why no one is coming to Israel's aid now when it comes to Iran and their nuclear goals...(speaking of Ahmadinejad is going to make some announcement tomorrow on their dubbed 'Nuclear Day'-wouldn't you know it coincides with Passover...

Speaking of Albert Pike, here's a brief snippet from a site: he received a demonic vision, described below. On January 22, 1870, Pike and one of his international co-conspirators, Guiseppe Mazzini, published the Plan which would establish the New World Order. This Plan was kept very secret, only within Freemasonry circles since the time of its inception, known only to fellow occult Illuminist conspirators. (This information is taken from a book from a former Luciferian Illuminist, Doc Marquis. His book is "Secrets of the Illuminati" and reveals much formerly hidden detail known only to Illuminists)
III. The Third World War was foreseen to be between Judaism and Islam. This prophecy is incredible in many ways, beginning with the understanding that this prophecy of a third world war occurred in 1870, a time when Israel did not exist as a nation, and when no one except Fundamentalist, Bible-believing Christians believed it would ever exist again.

Watch the events in Israel very carefully, because the final chapter is being written there. The demonic 'guiding spirits' of Freemasonry, of the leaders of the New World Order Plan, are planning a final, definitive Third World War, which will begin between Israel and her Arab neighbors and spread to the entire world. Literally, out of the smoke and destruction of this Third World War, Antichrist will come striding!

Now, here is the most interesting aspect of this demonic plan; it fits with Scripture!! God foretold Last Day's Judgment on the Arabs in several places.

I have to think that the this is the play book in which the elite are playing from. Now I will throw something out there . . . You know they will usher in a false christ. And with the idea that the elite have manipluated the money system and formulated this crisis. Would it not be unrealistic with this generated crisis that this may infact be a false tribualtion in which a false messiah will make his appearance and usher in a Golden Age. When in reality Jesus Christ will come when there is time of prosperity and many will miss him.

11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. Amos 8:11-12

[in2truth]

I spoke with a charismatic catholic last night and was stunned by some things that he said.

Firstly, and this is a BIG ONE! He said that at some point a lot of people are going to disappear and it will be all the evil people. I was like, WHAT??? in my mind. He tends to think the gathering up of all of God's children is actually the evil people being taken away. It blew my mind, I was dumbfounded.

and no..., he hasn't read Left Behind where that was presented as a scenario by some that were left behind.

Is this a common belief amongst catholics?

He also holds on to the catholic's version of the history of the catholic church. I thought charismatic catholic's believed in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, when I asked him if was spirit filled, he said yes he is in his own way, I was like, WHAT??? again.

Can someone please explain to me the difference between traditional catholics and charismatic catholics? They both seem just as lost as each other.

[Mttw633]

I have to think that the this is the play book in which the elite are playing from. Now I will throw something out there . . . You know they will usher in a false christ. And with the idea that the elite have manipluated the money system and formulated this crisis. Would it not be unrealistic with this generated crisis that this may infact be a false tribualtion in which a false messiah will make his appearance and usher in a Golden Age. When in reality Jesus Christ will come when there is time of prosperity and many will miss him.

I think before that; like hours/days away from now-they'll be chaos (Is 30, Is 17) -as in war having to do w/ Israel and it's neighbors that causes ac to come onto the world scene. I believe prior to us being taken out of here, there will be a last day 'pentecost' to preach the gospel before the end and to equip us to battle satan and co. At the 6th seal on, I think they will then be so fully indoctrinated into their belief system that God's judgements will only grow their hearts more hardened. But there will be a few remaining who decide to live for Christ.

[MacD23]

It's the GOOD COP, BAD COP Principle

I have always seen this when it comes to the end times events.

Turn on the news, at any given time there is a nation who is the good cop and another nation the bad cop. Many times they change rolls. When you look at various religious views, you have some noted as "good", while others "bad" (from the world perspective).

I honestly believe that the ONLY conspiracy this world faces is Lucifer himself. These men/women "of the world" may have ambitions to stop global warming, to bring in a one world currency, to promote Yoga, to dumb down the planet, and it is my honest opinion, that no one, not even 33rd degree masons, understand the "big picture". They only see their own individual pizza section. They don't see the whole pie.

Then you have people who push the conspiracy that these people are planning all this... and most people brush off conspiracy theory because the brush is to broad, no men could do all this. They are right, because even the conspiracy people deny God (not all, but most on a large conspiracy site on the net).

There is ONE person who is playing his OWN against themselves (Good Cop, Bad Cop) and that is Lucifer. We even find this playing out with the antichrist.

[revelation2012]

It's the GOOD COP, BAD COP Principle

I have always seen this when it comes to the end times events.

Turn on the news, at any given time there is a nation who is the good cop and another nation the bad cop. Many times they change rolls. When you look at various religious views, you have some noted as "good", while others "bad" (from the world perspective).

Not only the world scene but in American Politics in the "two party" system.

I honestly believe that the ONLY conspiracy this world faces is Lucifer himself. These men/women "of the world" may have ambitions to stop global warming, to bring in a one world currency, to promote Yoga, to dumb down the planet, and it is my honest opinion, that no one, not even 33rd degree masons, understand the "big picture". They only see their own individual pizza section. They don't see the whole pie.

Then you have people who push the conspiracy that these people are planning all this... and most people brush off conspiracy theory because the brush is to broad, no men could do all this. They are right, because even the conspiracy people deny God (not all, but most on a large conspiracy site on the net).

There is ONE person who is playing his OWN against themselves (Good Cop, Bad Cop) and that is Lucifer. We even find this playing out with the antichrist.

Agreed lucifer will detroy his own followers. he IS the destroyer but God controls it all too.

I saw a really disturbing TV show the other night on the history channel. It was about UFO phenomenon and the Bible. The theory was that all these supernatural event in the Bible were by ETs. I saw the conditioning right from the start. I couldn't watch it I just turned it off. I think this is who whole agenda with the UFO issue. Whether they be NWO craft or demonic manifestations. This is where this agenda is headed. To deny the existence of YWHW. I am certain of this as I wrote a study about this agenda on this angle for my brothers and sisters and was attacked by a demonic entity that very night. I cried out for Jesus to save me and literally an Angelic being overcame the demonic entity. Even having seen these UFO manifestations three times in my life, this was the most spectacular event I have had in my life. Scarry but showed me the power we have over these in the name of Jesus. This is more serious that anyone can imagine.

[Mttw633]

There's another name for it: The hegelian dialect. http://power.consumercide.com/hegel-nwo.html

here's just part: If you don't want to read all, read the last two paragraphs, Ithink this was written over 10 years ago, but what was written is where we are:

The purpose of this newsletter is to bring to you an interview with Dean Gotcher, President, Institution for Authority Research.


In the last four years while covering the United Nations, I have come face to face, on a regular basis with communism, fascism, and socialism. I found, as a result of my own ignorance, that I could not identify them and therefore not identify the true meaning of what was being put forth in all of the documents I was reading. While I understood the goal of world government to be behind everything the United Nations was doing, I did not know how -- what modus operandi -- they would use to convert people from a capitalistic system where the individual is the master and molder of his own destiny undergirded by personal property rights reinforced his claim to that destiny, to one of complete control where man did what the State directed, when the State directed, and in the process gave up his freedoms and private property so the State could better direct its use. I then found that the "modus operandi" being used for this transition was called the "Hegelian Dialectic" which is comprised of three parts: the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis.

I immediately understood that the concepts being espoused at the UN were not concepts which I had grown up with or had been taught. I saw that everything at the UN was constantly changing. There were constant problems. It appeared that the UN could not fix for they were always "refixing." Little did I know "the fixing" was part of the real agenda. I first heard the word "consensus" in Cairo when I attended my first UN Conference in September, 1994. When a journalist asked for a definition, he was provided with a ten minute answer which didn't make sense but included the phrase, "everyone agreed on something in the document and therefore that was consensus." Another word I heard at these meetings was "diversity."


When I covered the United Nations Social Summit in Copenhagen in March, 1995, then Secretary-General Boutros-Boutros Ghali said that change had three steps, "Profound change, cosmetic change, and status quo" but he was offering an alternative, "Constant change." He said, "you need continuous change...to act...you must maintain a mobilization between all three for continuous change." It was at that conference that I first heard the phrase, "paradigm shift."


According to Dean Gotcher, an expert in philosophies, the Hegelian Dialectic is used with diverse groups to "dialogue to consensus." According to Dean, Hegel's process, which was revolutionary in his day, has now become the basic tool for developing and supporting the universal worldview of the New World Order. All forms of socialism (fascism, communism, existentialism, positivism, pragmatism....globalism) are unthinkable without the aspects of Hegels formula. "


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Furthermore, they cite the synthesis in the Hegelian Dialectic as being the process whereby "we have to go to a higher level and transcend the polarities. It was Hegel's view that all things unfold in a continuing evolutionary process whereby each idea or quality (the thesis) inevitably brings forth its opposite (the antithesis). From that interaction, a third state emerges in which the opposites are integrated, overcome, and fulfilled in a richer and higher synthesis. This synthesis then becomes the basis for another dialectical process of opposition and synthesis. Hegel believed that the creative stress of opposing positions was essential for developing higher states of consciousness. In the moment of synthesis, the opposites are both preserved and transcended, negated and fulfilled." (p.88)(emphasis added)


I believe that in order to counter-act the evil which is taking place around us, that we must understand the process-- modus operandi--which is being used on us.


The following excerpt from The Worldly Philosophers by Robert L. Heilbroner, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1953, 134-139, is provided for your further understanding of how the Hegelian Dialectic was used in Marxism and Communism. You will see that the dialectic is economic, political, spiritual, and social in scope.


"Marx found himself swept up in the great philosophical debate of the day. The philosopher Hegel had propounded a revolutionary scheme and the conservative German universities found themselves split wide over it. Change, according to Hegel, was the rule of life. Every idea irrepressibly bred its opposite and the two merged into a synthesis which in turn produced its own contradiction. And history, said Hegel, was nothing but the expression of this flux of conflicting and resolving ideas as they fired now this and then that nation. Change--dialectical change--was immanent in human affairs. The philosophy of Marx and Engels, "was to take the name of dialectical materialism: dialectical because it incorporated Hegel's idea of inherent change, and materialism because it grounded itself not in the world of ideas, but on the terrain of social and physical environment. 'The materialist conception of history,' wrote Engels many years later "starts from the principle that production, and with production the exchange of its products, is the basis of every social order; that in every society which has appeared in history the distribution of the products, and with it the division of society into classes or estates, is determined by what is produced and how it is produced and how the product is exchanged. According to this conception, the ultimate causes of all social changes and political revolutions are to be sought, not in the minds of men, in their increasing insight into eternal truth and justice, but in changes in the mode of production and exchange; they are to be sought not in the philosophy but in the economic of the epoch concerned."

"Materialism by itself would reduce ideas to mere passive accompaniments of economic activity. That was not Marx's contention. For the new theory was dialectical as well as materialist: it envisaged change, constant and inherent change; and in that never-ending flux the ideas emanating from one period would help to shape another. "men make their own history," wrote Marx. But the dialectical--the changing--aspect of this theory of history did not depend merely on the interplay of ideas and social structures. There was another and far more powerful agent at work. The economic world itself was changing; the ultimate reality on which the structure of ideas was built was itself constantly in flux.

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The conflict between the needs of the individual and the philosophy of the community over the individual (socialism) is seen in the statement by former Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali at the UN Conference on Human Rights in 1993 in Vienna. Referring to human rights, he said, "[it] brings us face to face with the most challenging dialectical conflict ever, between 'identity' and otherness, between the 'myself' and 'others.' Thus the human rights that we proclaim...can be brought about only if we transcend ourselves....to find our common essence beyond our apparent divisions, our temporary differences, our ideological and cultural barriers." It is the dialectic process which leads to the philosophical changes we are seeing in society and which are evident by the following.


The Hegelian Dialectic is being used and is part of Goals 2000 and Outcome Based Education. It is being used by corporations, churches, seminaries, Christian groups, our government, environmental and pro-abortion non- governmental organizations, the military, and the media. Where does it come from? It originated in the Garden of Eden. The following is taken from an interview with Dean Gotcher. Note: I have freely highlighted the following text.



INTERVIEW


Joan Veon: Dean, you have been going around the country talking about a process which all Americans need to understand. Could you first tell me a little bit about your background and how you stumbled into what you're doing now?


Dean Gotcher: Well, I went to college at Christian College to earn a teacher's degree, not knowing that I was going to be trained in the dialectic process. I was thought I was going to have a traditional education, but in the late 60s there was big movement with Maslow and Rogers and others to move education to the Transformational Dialectic Structure. So, by my senior year I realized that I had to either return to my faith, or go with the process. (Abraham Maslow is the creator of "Maslow's Hierarchy" which I remember from Psychology 101. Maslow was pro-UN, a World Federalist, a one worlder as he believed the world would not be at peace until nations give up their sovereignty.)


I made that decision to go with the Word of God which meant I not only had to repent of my sin and my rebellion, which is a process I thought had justified for me, but I also had to repent on my teacher training. I then realized I couldn't teach, I was damaged goods and so I went off to seminary thinking that I would get my head straightened out and my relationship with the Lord was restored. I enjoyed the Greek New Testament. but then we got into higher thinking skills. I studied men like Roff (?) and Wellhousen--intelligent men who decided the Word of God was the result of the dialectic process. Wellhousen's dying words were "I've lost my faith." So, I realized that ministry was going the way of the Dialectic and I didn't want to be a part of it. I left, went into construction, and raised my family for several years. I ended up going back to the University where I focused on European history and philosophy. I had one professor who earned his doctorate on how the youth in Germany were restructured for Hitler's purposes. From him I took every Russian, German, European history class I could. Then I took several classes from a professor that had earned his doctor's degree on the French Revolution. Did you know contemporary education is built on the dialectic, [which is] the foundation of the French Revolution. Then I took a law class when at Oral Roberts University where John Whitehead taught a constitutional class. We went through 1600 pages of Supreme Court decisions which helped me to understand the foundation our nation was built on. Another class was from a professor who had earned his doctor's degree from Harvard. We studied the Politburo System in Communist Yugoslavia.


It was not until educational reform came to Oklahoma ten years ago that I realized these classes were not in vain. I saw everything that I was trained in happening before my eyes!


I went back to the university and have read over 600 social psychology books in five years trying to find out for myself what kind of procedure was being used to change our kids and how it was being applied. I reintroduce myself to the dialectic process and its application. Since then I've been crossing the country, explaining the procedure of behavior change, how it's done in the classroom, the workplace, and the political realm including transformational outcome based education, total quality management, and school to work.


Veon: Dean, help me understand what the process is and where you are seeing it in society today?


Gotcher: Well, the process is built on three stages which are more complex than this. There is thesis, which is simple, that's you and your position and facts based on what you believe. Antithesis is somebody who's different than you. The moment the two of you who are different are in the same room, there's a potential relationship there. However, the only way you can get to it is synthesis [agreement in the relationship]. You and the other person have to put aside your differences for the sake of a relationship and try to find facts or elements of your belief systems that are in harmony. That's socialism. Eventually if that becomes your agenda-- the dialectic way of thinking--you have a socialist cosmic mind which puts aside anything that gets in the way of the relationship. That, by the way, means any information that's introduced that breaks up human relationship is impractical and is irrational. This then is John Dewey's instrumentalism approach to this process.


[When we look at] the organizations across this nation -- it's more like who's not involved. It's so pervasive. [It was] John Dewey who introduced this to our nation to deliver it from its traditional way of thinking back in the 20s and 30s.


Veon: Traditional way of being . . .


Gotcher: Right. Accountability to a higher authority. The patriarchal way means children are to obey their parents. That's being rejected --its an old fashioned way of thinking. Now it's partnership and dialoging to consensus. Finding common ground through the use of consensus-- that's synthesis By the way, in a meeting we find that we are to focus in on what we can accept for sake of a relationship. The church is really more troubling to me as far as its involvement in it. The state and the government has been in this process for some time, but the religious community is being pulled into it. I really don't know if there's going to be a turn around without God's direct intervention.


Veon: Give me an example of how the church is being pulled in. What is the church doing that reflects this new type of thinking, the dialectic?


Gotcher: Well, this whole process is built on relationships and the building of relationships. Scripture talks about unity and loving one another. But you need to realize that the Gospel is the Good News. It is not unity, it is not hope, it's Jesus Christ. And so, the hope of the Gospel is found in Christ. The unity of the Gospel is found in Christ. So, we must look to Christ as the source of our relationship. And so relationship is based upon Him.


Well, what's happened is that if unity is the objective, with all the different interpretations of who Christ is, you then have to go into the Word of God and find what Scripture has in common with Buddhism, Moslem, and all the other religions of the world. Once you find what you have in common, you then redefine Christ for the sake of a relationship. And so, we've turned it around. We have learned to redefine the Gospel for the sale of unity, for the sake of hope, for the sake of peace. God's not going there. God knows who He is, where He came from, and where He's going. He's clearly explained that to us in His Word, the Bible. Let it change us, we can't go in and change it. And so, that's what the religious organizations have been pulled into. People go to seminary not knowing that when they go there and take counseling strategies that its not "Adam's Counseling," which is Biblical but psychology, sociology, and anthropology. They are learning how to read the Word in order to define God's Word in changing times. Redefining it for the sake of meeting the felt needs within the community and drawing people in [God does not change].


Well, if you use felt needs, which is our fallen human nature, as your agenda, you have changed your belief system. If your agenda is to bring people to the Lord Jesus Christ, you're going to proclaim the Law which brings them to realization that they are a sinner. The only way they can have their sins covered is through the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ the Messiah. You don't come to God through feelings, you come to God through facts, through the truth of his Word, the thesis. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life." He didn't say, "I am the feeling." And so, what ministry and seminaries have done is to teach ministers how to learn the dialectic process for the sake of relationship within the church who then bring it to the church. In their ignorance, the ministers are processing the church using the Hegelian Dialectic.


Veon: Give me an example of what falls under thesis and synthesis and antithesis and how it's being used in society.


Gotcher: Well, the thesis is the traditional "Thou shalt not" structure. You tell your child, this is right, that's wrong. And if they do what's wrong, they're punished. If they do what's right, there's reward. You have taught the difference between evil and good. This is dualism. In other words, if a person behaves incorrectly, they are wrong and if they behave correctly, then they are good. Now, the behavior is based upon God's standards, His Laws.


Human standards is what psychology and sociology have done in the ministry. It's not built upon God's standards. We all fall short of the Glory of God. We've all broken those laws. They are not changeable. We can't justify the changing of them to make them user friendly for the continuation of relationship with mankind and God. We realize the hopelessness of saving ourselves and so we realize that it's in Christ that we receive our salvation. That's contrition and that is what is being left out today. Now it's social sin. It's bad behavior based upon how we relate with one another. You're not loving, you're not tolerant. The primary agenda of Christianity is that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ means you might stand alone. The fact that you and the other person disagree has to be determined by your relationship with Jesus and the Word of God. That is the ground you stand on. You don't change His law to save a relationship with anyone. That's compromise, the dialectic process.


The youth ministries are into this. In seminary I took the equivalent of a total quality management course where I learned how to survey the congregation--"what do you think and how do you feel?" The problem is truth is "What do you know. The Word of God IS. We're accountable to IT, AS IS, NOT HOW DO WE FEEL OR THINK ABOUT IT. And the moment you go into the dialogue [the dialectic process], which now is in Sunday School materials as well--about what do you think and how do you feel--over what is, you are now allowing the child to be a scientist on God--to question the authority of God's Word, instead of looking at it as is, and saying, "Okay, I don't understand it, Lord reveal it to me." This has to be what we do instead of gaging how we think and feel.


But, instead we want to impress others, and so we say, "Well I feel and I think," using this to fill up our void of not understanding. We think and therefore we produce our own doctrine and our belief. The problem is that our beliefs are then based on our feelings and not the Word of God or a faith that the Lord knows the answer. And so, there's somebody else who has a different "I think and I feel" and so we have all these diversities. The only way we can really resolve this bickering and complaining is that we go back to the Word of God and study it [in light of] our disagreements with "I feel and I think" which means, both of us, if you and I disagree, have to go back to the Word of God. We are going to have to admit that and that we really don't know what it means, but it's there and we are accountable to it. And, that's where faith is involved. Otherwise, we make faith a tool to be changed to our human understanding, then using the dialectic, to change it to meet our felt needs for the sake of a relationship. The agenda that the Berean church revealed to Paul, was that they weren't hung up on Paul. They weren't hung up on a relationship. They were hung up on truth. So when the Apostle Paul shared the Gospel, they went to the Word of God and checked him out. Try that with ministers today and they'll get bent out of shape because you're not knowledgeable to question their "I think and I feel." Pastors need to be questioned on what they know, not what they feel or think.
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A friend of mine asked me, "What is the opposite word for 'dialectic'?" I didn't know. He called me a couple weeks later and said, "Well, I found it in the Word of God. The Scripture says, 'Be sober.' --don't think more highly of yourself than you ought." That's the dialectic. The justification is 'I'm important, so I can justify what I'm doing.' Then sobriety. God gives us sobriety. A sober person is one who can see the whole situation. See, it's God's point of view. It's not our point of view. The Word of God is God's point of view. He gives us sobriety. He's the only One who can give us a true perspective on the world situation. If you go dialectic, you're drunk. You're intoxicated in the world system and you are going to follow an illusion. The fear of this life is going to drive you. The world today is being driven by fear. The Bible says, "God has not giving us that spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind." The Word of God has given us warning over and over in regards to the dialectic process. David wrote, "Thy word, (a fact) have I hid my heart that I might not sin against thee. " Because the dialectic process deals with the lust of the flesh--that's individual lust of the eyes; and relationship, the pride of life--that's the justifying ability we all have within us.



Veon: So, what we have here is that when Americans think that the Communist Revolution only happened in Russia in 1918, it was really just birthed in 1918. It has come around the world, and we as Americans, have been caught up in this process. Our church has been watered down, our kids are being programmed and our government now looks at people who support the American flag, and those people who are patriots as the criminal.


Gotcher: Right. They are the extremists. They are over reacting. They are not tolerant for the sake of social harmony. Now, there's a difference between Dialectic Materialism and Historical Materialism. If you talk to Marxists, they will tell you, "We don't study history, we make history." Well, the dialectic is historical. They want it to continue flowing, because it is always making history.

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I sent this to Ray Gano after he emailed me his article,"My Name Is Lucifer" and he found it amazing.

I use to be a stage hand, if fact I built the podiums for the Clinton/Lazio 2000 debate. When they came into a studio,the election usually supplied any extra props they might need and has been agreed to before. When they are traveling and using gymnasiums and different venues, the election campaigns supply everything In such places. The Hillary campaign used a US flag that had the stars upside down, sort of like goat heads. They used this flag at many different locations, and apparently on different dates????????? (different dress, some with Bill, Hill, and Chelsea, and some just Bill and Hil, and some just Hillary.

Manufacturing defect???? I don't think so, had to be custom made.

This is from the 2008 presidential election. So why use something like this, to send a message??

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So, if I draw a crescent moon or star in artwork, I'm effectively worshipping satan?

Huh? I'm not sure if I agree with all of this article (I definitely agree with the message of salvation at the end of it), as I have seen something weird:

"He is deceiving the very elect as scripture states."

Err, what?

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

EDIT: Oh man, I just realized I bumped a very old post... my apologies...