Seventh Day Adventists

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Seventh Day Adventists

Postby crmann on Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:09 pm

For some reason, I felt lead to post this topic for discussion here today.


The Old Timer

The SDA church is a cultic church.

The five marks of a cult:
1) Usually have a strong devotion to a certain teacher or prophet.
2) Claims to be the only church with the truth.
3) Follows doctrines unique to their group.
4) Condemns those who disagree with them.
5) Very legalistic, works oriented, authoritarian.

The SDA meet all of the criteria. Let's look at each one of the criteria.

1)When one thinks of the structure of the SDA church Ellen G. White (EGW) immediately comes to mind. She is revered as a great prophet of God on a par with the Biblical prophets. In fact she herself claimed to be more than any of the Biblical prophets. “My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there” (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 36). “Yet, now when I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You thereby insult the Spirit of God” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 64). If a member were to reject EGW he would be excommunicated from the SDA church. Further the SDA is shown to be cultic by the fact that even though EGW has be proven to be a false prophet they ignore this in order to continue in their make-believe world (see and

2)The SDA claim that they are the “remnant church”. They claim that only they possess the truth.

3)The SDA believe unique doctrines based on the writings of EGW not based on the Bible. A good example of this is the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment. This doctrine is supported by EGW, but unsupported by the Bible. No Christian ever believed such a doctrine as this. The SDA never questions what EGW taught, if she taught it then it must be from God. The members of this cult are not allowed to wonder why no Christian in all the previous centuries ever discovered this belief before EGW.

4)The SDA are quick to condemn anyone who is not in agreement with them.

5)The SDA is a legalistic church. They stress Old Covenant law over New Testament grace. They are work oriented especially in the necessity of keeping their Sabbath to be saved. They are authoritarian because church officials attempt to control ever aspect of members lives. The SDA church also reserves to it self the right to say something and to have members agree.

The SDA is a cult by my estimation.

Below is a brief list of some of EGW Bible contradictions and false prophecies.

EGW says: The plan of salvation was made before the Fall (Great Controversy [GC], p.347).
The BIBLE says: The plan of salvation was made “before the world began” (II Timothy 1:9).

EGW says: Adam was deceived (GC, p.352, 1885 ed.).
The BIBLE says: :It was not Adam who was deceived” (I Timothy 2:14).

EGW says: The Tower of Babel was built before the Flood (Spiritual Gifts [SG], vol. 3, p.301).
The BIBLE says: The Tower of Babel was built after the Flood (see Genesis 11:1-9).

EGW says: Some species of animals were not allowed into the ark (SG, vol. 3, p.15).
The BIBLE says: “Of all the living creatures you shall bring two into the ark” (Genesis 6:19).

EGW says: Not everything outside the ark died (SG, vol. 1, p.77).
The BIBLE says: “…everything on earth shall die” (Genesis 6:17).

EGW says: Noah ate only the flesh of clean animals (Patriarchs and Prophets [P&P], p.107).
The BIBLE says: “Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat” (Genesis 9:3).

EGW says: Pharaoh's magicians did not turn their rods into snakes (SG, vol. 3, p.205-6).
The BIBLE says: The magicians did turn their rods into snakes (see Exodus 7:8-12).

EGW says: Slaves cannot be saved (SG, vol. 1, p.193; Early Writings [EW], p.276).
The BIBLE says: Slaves may be saved (see I Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:28).

EGW says: The Ten Commandments were written on only one side of the tablets (EW, p.32).
The BIBLE says: The Ten Commandments “were written on both sides, front and back” (Exodus 32:15).

EGW says: Jesus did not choose Judas (Desire of Ages [DA], p.293).
The BIBLE says: “Jesus replied, ‘Did I not choose the Twelve of you myself?'” (John 6:70).

EGW says: The Atonement was not finished at Calvary (Testimonies for the Church [TC], vol. 1, p.58; GC, p.422, 623).
The BIBLE says: The Atonement was finished at Calvary (see John 19:30; Hebrews 10:12).

EGW says: The blood of Christ doesn't cancel our sins (P&P, p. 357).
The BIBLE says: “The blood of His Son cleanses us of all sin” (I John 1:7; see also Romans 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 13:12).

EGW says: Jesus' bones were broken during the Crucifixion (SG, vol. 1, p58).
The BIBLE says: Jesus' bones were not broken (see John 19:33, 36).

EGW says: We are reconciled to God through obedience to the Law (TC, vol. 4, p.294).
The BIBLE says: “…we were reconciled to Him by the death of His Son” (Romans 5:10; see also II Corinthians 5:18; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9).

EGW says: The seal of God is the keeping of the 7th day Sabbath (TC, vol. 8, p.117; GC, p.640).
The BIBLE says: The seal of God is the Holy Spirit (see II Corinthians 1:21-22; Ephesians 1:13; 4:30).

EGW said concerning her writings, “There is one straight chain of truth without one heretical sentence in that which I have written” (Selected Messages [SM], vol. 3, p.52). Nothing could be further from the truth as we have seen from a mere sampling of her contradictions with the Bible (for further information see One thing that EGW said that I complete agree with is “If (my) testimonies speak not according to the Word of God, reject them” (TC, vol. 5, p.601).

PROPHECY: “Old Jerusalem would never be built up” (EW, p.75).
REALITY: Since 1948, Old Jerusalem has been greatly built up by the Israelis.

PROPHECY: EGW will be alive at Jesus' Second Coming (EW, pp.15-16).
REALITY: EGW died on July 16, 1915.

PROPHECY: Some alive in 1856 will see Christ's Second Coming (TC, vol. 1, pp.131-132).
REALITY: All from 1856 have died.

PROPHECY: The Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return (TC, vol. 1, p260).
REALITY: Jesus did not return.

PROPHECY: England will attack the U.S. during the Civil War (TC, vol. 1, p.259).
REALITY: England did not attack.

PROPHECY: The earth will be depopulated soon after 1864 (TC, vol. 8, p.94).
REALITY: The earth's population has increased greatly.

The Bible warns against “Prophets” like EGW. “Beloved, do not trust every spirit, but put the spirits to the test to see if they belong to God, because many false prophets have appeared in the world” (I John 4:1).

For further evidence see Deuteronomy 18:20-22: Ezekiel 13:6-9, 17-23; Jeremiah 23:32; Matthew 24:24; II Peter 2:1-3.
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Postby SueAnn on Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:19 pm

Thank you so much for doing this, Cleveland.

One of the things that worries me is that SDA folks will invade and take over many threads on this beloved website, just as I am watching it do to another website that I frequent.

But you are one step ahead of them.
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Postby crmann on Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:16 pm

You're welcome, SueAnn

Ellen White was a false prophet.
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"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken but the prophet hath spoken presumptuously thou shalt not be afraid of him" ( Deut 18 :2 2 )


BIBLE NO " For as much as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish and without spot Who verily was for-ordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you (1 Pet. 1:18-20 KJV) .

BIBLE NO " Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. (2 Tim.1:9 ) .

BIBLE NO "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began". (Titus 1: 2 KJV)

BIBLE NO "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world. (Eph.1 : 4 KJV).

EGW YES "The kingdom of grace was instituted immediately after the fall of man when a plan was devised for the redemption of the guilty race"
(GC 347 , 1888 ed; See also EW 126, 149-151 )


BIBLE Is silent on this matter.

EGW YES " After Satan was shut out of heaven, with those who fell with him, he realized that he had lost all the purity and glory of heaven forever. Then he repented and wished to be reinstated in heaven. He was willing to take his proper place, or any place that might be assigned him......He and his followers repented, wept and implored to be taken back into the favor of God. But no, their sin, their hate, their envy and jealousy, had been so great that God could not blot it out. It must remain to receive it's final punishment " (Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1 pp 18,19).


EGW States that "Eve erred in wandering from her husband" (S.G.Vol.1, p 20)

BIBLE "She took her husband of the fruit thereof and, did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.". (Gen.3: 6 KJV)


BIBLE "According as he hath chosen us before the foundation of the world ".
( Eph. 1: 4 )

EGW Writing on "The Plan of Salvation " we read, Sorrow filled heaven, as it was realized that man was lost, and the world that God created was to be filled with mortals doomed to misery, sickness and death, and there was, no way of escape for the offender. The whole family of Adam must die. I saw the lovely Jesus , and beheld an expression of sympathy and sorrow upon his countenance. Soon I saw him approach the exceeding bright light which enshrouded the Father. Said my accompanying angel," He is in close converse with the Father". The anxiety of the angels seemed to be intense while Jesus was communing with his Father. Three times he was shut in by the glorious light about the Father, and the third time he came from the Father, his person could be seen. His countenance was calm, free of all perplexity and trouble, and shone with benevolence and loveliness, such as words cannot express. He then made known to the angelic host that a way of escape had been made for lost man. He told them that he had been pleading with his Father, and had offered to give his life a ransom, and take the sentence of death upon himself, and through him man might find pardon. " ( EW p . l 2 6 ; SG Vol. l, p.22,23)


BIBLE YES "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ. .But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace. to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood Neither went I to up Jerusalem to then which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none save James the Lord"s brother". ( Gal 1:11- 19)

EGW NO "Paul must receive instruction in the Christian faith, and move understandingly. Christ sends him to the very disciples whom he had been so bitterly persecuting, to learn of them... . . From Christ all power a mercies were to flow; but he did not give Paul an experience, in his truth, independent of his church recently organized upon the earth. The marvelous light given Paul upon that occasion astonished and confounded him. He was wholly subdued. This part of the work man could not do for Paul; but there work still to be accomplished which the servants of Christ could do. Jesus directs him to his agents in the church for further knowledge of duty. Thus he give authority and sanction to his organized church. Christ had done the work of revelation and conviction, and now Paul was in a condition to learn of those whom God has ordained to teach the truth Christ directs Paul to his chosen servants, thus placing him in connection with his church. " (3T 430)


BIBLE YES "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus" . (Gal 3 :28 KJV).

BIBLE YES "Each of us is apart of the one body of Christ. Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves and some are free. But the Holy Spirit has fitted us all together into one body". (1 Cor.12: 13 LB)

BIBLE YES " Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free" (Eph .6 : 8 KJ V ) .

EGW NO "God cannot take the slave to heaven. He lets him be as though he had not been"(GC 193 , l958 ed.; EW 276)


BIBLE NO ".. those who the depend on Jewish laws to save them are under God's curse, for Scriptures point out very clearly, "cursed is everyone who at any time breaks a single one of these laws that are written in God's Book of the Law." Consequently, it is clear that no one can ever win God's favor by trying to keep the Jewish laws, because God has said that the only way we can be right in his sight is by faith. As the prophet Habakkuk says it , The man who finds life will find it through trusting God. How different from this way of faith is way of the law which says that a man is saved by obeying every law of God, without one slip. But Christ has brought us out from under the doom of that impossible system by taking the curse for our wrongdoings upon himself. ". (Gal. 3: 10 - 13 L B ) .

BIBLE NO " We aren't saved from sin's grasp by knowing God's commandments, because we cant 't keep them, but God put in a different plan to save us . . . " (Rom. 8:3 LB).

BIBLE NO "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses" (Acts 13:39 . KJ V )

EGW YES "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain His favor" (4T 28)


BIBLE NO " ... we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled we shall be saved by his life." ( Rom. 5:10 KJV)

BIBLE NO "And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us unto himself by Jesus Christ." ( 2 Cor. 5: l8 - 2 0 KJ V )

EGW YES "He ( man) must be reconciled to God through obedience to His law" . ( 4T 294 - 5 )


BIBLE YES " But God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us... " (l Thess 5 : 9, 10 KJ V ) .

EGW NO "Christ gave his life that man should have another trial, he did not die on the cross to abolish the law of God, but to secure for man a second probation" (TM 134). NOTE The word "probation" is not found in the Bible. It appears frequently in EGW and Joseph Smiths writings.


BIBLE YES, " When the he even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils and he cast out the spirits with his word, and he healed all that were sick" (Matt. 8: 16 KJV) .

BIBLE YES "And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple and he healed them" (Matt. 21:14 KJV).

BIBLE YES " . . .and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all ". ( Matt.12: 15 KJV) .

BIBLE YES "And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those who were lame, blind, dumb; maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them" (Matt. 15: 30 KJV).

BIBLE YES " And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick" (Matt. 14: l 4 KJ V ) .

EGW NO "PRAYER FOR THE SICK - We should first find out if the sick one has been with holding tithes or has made trouble. in the church "
(UT as quoted in HL 237)


BIBLE YES, " But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed, but beat upon his chest in sorrow, exclaiming, "God be merciful to me, a sinner. " I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home forgiven!" (Luke 18:13 LB)
BIBLE YES " And when we stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any . . . ( Ma r k l l: 2 5 KJ V ) .

EGW NO "Where have our brethren obtained the idea that they should stand upon their feet praying to God? One who had been educated about five years in Battle Creek was asked to lead in prayer before Sister White should speak to the people. But as I beheld him standing upright upon his feet while his lips were about to open in prayer to God, my soul was stirred within me to give him an open rebuke. Calling him by name, I said, "Get down on your knees. This is the proper position always. . . Both in public and private worship, it is our duty to bow down before God when we offer our petitions to Him. This act shows our dependence upon God... "
(Manuscript 84b, August 1,1897).

(Elder D.E.Robinson, one of Ellen White's secretaries from 19O2- 1915. reported " I have been present repeatedly at camp meetings and General Conference sessions in which Sister White herself has offered prayer with the congregation standing, and she and her self standing " (D.E.Robinson letter, March 4,1934, as quoted in 3 SM 266) . Emphasis supplied.


BIBLE YES " Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come" ( John 16 : 12 , 13 KJ V ) .

BIBLE YES "....I will ask the Father and he will give you another Comforter, and he will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth..." ( John 14:17 LB).

BIBLE YES "But I will send you the Comforter - the Holy Spirit, the source of all truth.. (John 15: 26 LB).

EGW NO " It is not the office work of the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths" (SDA Bible Commentary, Vol .6, p. lO69).


BIBLE YES "For God was in Christ restoring the world to himself, no longer counting men's sins against them but blotting them out. This is the wonderful message given us to tell others. . . (2Cor . 6: 19 LB).

EGW NO "The work of the investigative judgment and the blotting out of sin is to be accomplished before the second advent of our Lord" ( GC 4 58 ) .

EGW NO "At the time appointed for the judgment - the close of the 2300 days in 1844 - began the work of investigation and blotting out of sins." (Christ in His Sanctuary 122).


BIBLE NO "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 Jo hn 1 : 8 - 10 KJ V .)

BIBLE NO "And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven. . .give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins... ,"
(Luke 11: 2 ,3 KJV) .

BIBLE NO " . . .there is no man which sinneth not ," (2 Chron. 6 : 36 KJ V ) .

EGW YES " Those only who through faith in Christ obey all of God' s commandments will reach the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression" (SDA Commentary, Vol.V I, p. 1118).

EGW YES "Everyone who surrenders fully to God is given the privilege of living without sin" (RH Sept. 27, 1906)

EGW YES "We need not retain one sinful propensity'"
(SDA Commentary, Vol. V, p.1128; ibid, Vol 7, p. 943).

EGW YES "Christ died to make it possible for you to cease to sin" (RH Aug. 28, 1894).

EGW YES "To be redeemed means to cease from sin" (RH Sept. 25, 1900).


BIBLE YES "That is why Jesus suffered and died outside the city, where his blood washed our sins away"
(Heb. 13 12 LB).

EGW NO "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation o f the law, was not to cancel sin. . . It will stand in the sanctuary until the final atoneme nt" (PP 357).


BIBLE YES, " . . .At daybreak he called his followers and chose twelve of them to be the inner circle of his disciples. (they were appointed as his "apostles", or "missionaries") Here are their names Simon (he is also called Peter), Andrew (Simon's brother), James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James (the son of Alphaeus), Simon (a member of the Zealots, a subversive political party) Judas (son o f James), Judas Iscariot ( who later betrayed him) "
( Luke, 6: 13 - 16 L B ) .

BIBLE YES "Jesus answered them, Have I not chosen you twelve and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son Simon for he knew it was that he would betray him, being one of the twelve " (John 6: 70 KJ V ) .

EGW NO " While Jesus was preparing his disciples for their ordination, one who had not been summoned, urged his presence among them. It was Judas Iscariot". ( DA 293) .


BIBLE NO " And Herod with his men of war set him at naught, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate".
( Luke 23 : 11 KJ V )

BIBLE NO " When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they put his garments into four piles, one for each of them. But they said, "Let's not tear up his robe, for it is seamless. Lets throw dice to see who gets it. This fulfilled the Scripture that says. "They divided my clothes among them, and cast lots for my robe" (John 19:23 LB).

EGW YES "At the suggestion of Herod, a crown was plaited from a vine bearing sharp thorns, and this was placed upon the sacred brow of Jesus; and an old tattered purple robe, once the garment of a king , was placed upon his noble form".
(3 SP 138 ,1878 ed. )


BIBLE YES " Then said Job's wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? Curse God, and die. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips ".( Job 2 : 9 - 1 0 KJ V )

BIBLE YES " Ye have heard of the patience of Job". ( Jame s 5 1:1 )

EGW NO "it is a sin to be sick" (CH 37). .

EGW NO "A diseased body causes a disordered brain and hinders the work of sanctifying grace upon the mind and heart" (HL 42)


BIBLE NO "And the Lord said unto Satan, hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man, and one that feareth God and escheweth evil ? ( J o b. 2 :3 KJV ).

BIBLE NO "So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job sore with boils from the sole of his feet to his crown.". (Job 2 :7. KJV)

BIBLE NO "And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from birth. And. his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither this man sinned, not his parents, but that the works of God should be manifest in him. (John 9: 1-3 KJV) .

EGW YES ". . .all sickness is the result of transgression" (CH 37) .


BIBLE NO "These are the families of the sons of Noah. ... after the flood. And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech . And they said , Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven . . . Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth . . . " ( Gen . l0 32; l l : l - 9 KJ V ) .

EGW YES "The Lord first established the system of sacrificial offerings with Adam after the Fall, which he taught to his descendants. This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel ."
( 3 SG 30 l, 1864 e d ; 1 SP 266, 1870 ed )


BIBLE YES "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness but unto us which are saved it is the power of God, (1 Cor. 1: 18 KJV).

BIBLE YES "I have written this unto you who believe in the Son of God so that you may know you have eternal life" (1 John 5 :13 LB) .

BIBLE YES "For if you tell others with your own mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord , and believe in your own heart that God had raised him from t he dead, you will be saved " ( Rom. 10: 9 LB) .

BIBLE YES " He took away all of our sins through the blood of his Son, by whom we are saved" (Eph. 1: 6, 7 LB)

BIBLE YES "And Jesus said unto him, (Zacchaeus) This day is salvation come to thine house. . . For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" (Luke 19: 9- l0 KJV) .

EGW NO " Those who accept the Savior, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. . . " (COL 15:5)


BIBLE YES " For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" . ( Isa . 9 : 6 KJV)

EGW. NO "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, (SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, p. 1129)


BIBLE NO "And because of what Christ did, all you others too, who heard the Good News about how to be saved , and trusted Christ, were marked as belonging to Christ by the Holy Spirit, who long ago had been promised to all us Christians. His presence within us is God's guarantee that he really will give us all that he promised, and the Spirits seal upon us means that God has already purchased us and that he guarantees to bring us to himself. This is just one more reason for us to praise our glorious God. (Eph.1:13 LB).

EGW. YES " The sign or seal, of God is revealed in the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, the Lord's memorial of creation. . . " (8 T 117).


BIBLE NO " But Christ gave himself to God for our sins as one sacrifice for all times " (Heb. l 0 :12 LB) .

BIBLE NO " . . .there is nor more offering for sins. " . (Heb. l0 :18 KJ V ) .

BIBLE NO " . . For as much as ye know that ye were not redeemed with the corruptible things as silver and gold... but with the precious b lood of Christ".
(1 Pet. 1 :18 KJV).

EGW YES " Yes, He has given His blood He asks for our silver . . . " (3T 39O) .
EGW YES " Come to the Lord with hearts overflowing . . . bringing to Him your trespass offerings. . . " ( CS 198 ).

EGW YES "Neither have they come to yearly gatherings with their freewill offerings, their thank offerings and their trespass offerings . . . " (3T 510).

EGW YES "The best you can do is to bring a trespass offering to the altar of the Lord, and he will accept and pardon you... (ST 339).

EGW YES " . . . if a Christian has $l0,000 or $20,000, God's claims are imperative upon him, not only to give his proportion according to the tithing system, but to present his sin God" (4T 467)

EGW. YES " . . . present offerings to God for the gift of His only begotten Son . . . ( CS 297 ) .


BIBLE NO "And now (A.D.31) he sits on the throne of highest honor in heaven , next to God . . . (Acts 2: 33 LB) .

BIBLE NO " . . .He is the one who died to cleanse us and clear our record of sin, and then (A.D.31) sat down in highest honor beside the great God of heaven." (Heb.1: 3 LB)

BIBLE NO " . . .when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down (A.D.3 1 ) on the right hand of the Majesty on high." ( Heb. 1 :3 KJV ) . (In A.D. 31 Jesus sat down on the throne of highest honor in heaven, there is no higher!)

EGW YES "End of the 2300 days (1844) I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the holy holies within the veil, and sit down. Then Jesus rose up from the throne, and most of those who were bowed down arose with Him. . .Then He raised His right arm, and we heard His lovely voice saying, "Wait here; I am going to my Father to receive the kingdom . . . Then a cloudy chariot, with wheels like flaming fire, surrounded by angels, came to where Jesus was. He stepped into the chariot and was borne to the holiest, where the Father sat. " (EW 54, 55) .


BIBLE NO "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum We have such an high priest who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man". ( Heb. 8 :1 , 2 KJV ) .

EGW. YES " The Jewish tabernacle was a type of the Christian church. The church on earth ... is the true tabernacle whereof the Redeemer is the minister ".
(Signs of Times, Feb. 14, 1900) .


BIBLE YES " When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished , and he bowed his head and gave up the ghost". (John 19 :30 KJ V ) .

BIBLE YES " we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have (AD 31), received the atonement." ( Rom. 5 : 10, 11 KJ V ) .

EGW. NO "As the priests entered the most holy place once a year to cleanse the earthly sanctuary, so Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly sanctuary, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement for all who could not be benefited by His meditation, and thus to cleanse the sanctuary ." ( EW 253 ) .

EGW NO " Now while our great High Priest is making the final atonement for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ . ( RH Nov. 30, 1888; GC 623 ) .


BIBLE NO "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus . " (Rom 8: 1 KJV) .

BIBLE NO " For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned .."
(John 3:17 KJ V)

BIBLE NO "Verily, verily, I (Jesus) say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life," (John 5: 24 KLV)

EGW YES "At the time the light of health reform dawned upon us, and since that time, the questions have come home every day, Am I practicing temperance in all things? Is my diet such as will bring me in a position where I can accomplish the greatest amount of good? If we cannot answer these questions in the affirmative, we stand condemned before God, for He will hold us all responsible for the light which has shon upon our path." (CDF 20)


BIBLE YES "...To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved"( Eph. 1:4-6 KJV).

BIBLE YES " But no we have a far better hope, for Christ makes us acceptable to God and now we may draw near to him" (Heb . 7: 18 , 19 LB) .

EGW NO "It is impossible for you to be saved as you are. . .there is a great work to be accomplished for you before YOU can be accepted in the sight of God"
(2T 316; 2T 84).

EGW NO "At the present time, your condition is not acceptable in the sight of God" ( 2T 325).

EGW NO "As you are, you would mar all Heaven. You are uncultivated, unrefined, and unsanctified. There is no place in Heaven for such a character as you now possess" ( 3T 465 ).


BIBLE YES "When the Holy Spirit who is truth, comes, he shall guide you into all truth. . ", (John 14:17 KJ V).

BIBLE YES "But I will send you the Comforter the Holy Spirit - the source of all truth. . . " (John 15: 26 LB) .

EGW NO "Do not feel that God has given you ability to discern what is light from heaven and what is the expression of mere human wisdom". (5T 691)


BIBLE YES "And when he had fasted forty days and nights he was afterward an hungered, and when the tempter came to him he said... ( Matt. 4 : 2 , 3 KJ V )

EGW NO " As soon as the long fast of Christ commenced, Satan was at hand with his temptations...Satan told Christ.....that it was not necessary for him to endure this painful hunger and death from starvation" .(Redemption of the Temptation of Christ. ( p.37, 1874 ed.)

EGW NO "As soon as Christ's Long fast commenced, he was at hand with his temptations. ( 2 SP 90)

EGW NO "As soon as Christ began his fast, Satan appeared as an angel of light, and claimed to be a messenger of heaven. He told him it was not the will of God that he should suffer this pain and self-denial" ( Christ Our Savior 4 5 ) .


BIBLE NO " When they therefore were come together they asked of him saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, it is not for to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his power". ( Acts. 1 : 6 , 7 KJ V )

EGW YES " As God has shown me in holy vision . . . we heard the voice of God like many waters which gave us the day and hour of Jesus coming... (WLF 14)


BIBLE YES " And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopia woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
(Num. 12: 1 KJV )

EGW NO "Zipporah was treated with ill disguised contempt. Though called a Cushite woman, the wife of Moses was a Midianite, and thus a descendant of Abraham." ( PP 383)


BIBLE NO "From the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth" (Thess. 2: 13 NIV).

BIBLE NO "Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate" (Heb. 13:12 KJV)

BIBLE NO " Sanctify them through thy truth thy word is truth . . .And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth”. ( John. l 7 : 17, 19 KJV)

EGW YES " . . sanctification consists in the cheerful performance of daily duties in obedience to the will of God (COL 36O )


BIBLE YES "Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church and he is the Savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." ( Eph. 5: 22 KJ V )

BIBLE YES " The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent, and for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer come again together again, that Satan tempt you not for your inconsistency". (1 Cor. 7: 4, 5 KJV)

EGW NO "If your wife feels she must submit to your animal passions without a word of remonstrance, she does not understand her duty to you or to her God. No man can truly love his wife when she will patiently submit to become his slave and minister to his depraved passions. Because you are married you think you commit no sin. These men are worse than brutes; they are demons in human form. Put to death the temptation to sin"(2T 473; AH 121-128)


BIBLE NO "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge". ( Heb. 13: 4 KJ V ) .

BIBLE NO "Let every man have his own wife and let every woman have her own husband". (1 Cor. 7: 2 KJV).

BIBLE NO "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry. . . , ( 1Tim 4 : 1 - 3 KJ V ) .

EGW YES "It was not in accord with our faith or God's will that our missionaries should fill their hands with cares and burdens that were not essential to the work...I was shown that Brother and Sister V_______ had departed from God's counsel in bringing into the world children. God required all there was of them in his work or the Master, but the enemy came in, and his counsel was followed... God will say to them, "Who required this at your hands?" When I learned that were to soon have an increase in your family, I knew that you were not doing the will of God, but following your own incantations to please yourselves. I have special light in regard to these things, but hardly know how to present it before our people.

"The missionaries had better set the people an example in these things that correspond with our faith. . ... I am called to write testimonies to different ones in regard to their inconsistency of their going out into distant fields and at the same time bringing children into world and that will increase their cares in a large degree. I am distressed as I see the state of things among our workers. Brother and Sister E professedly, they gave themselves to the missionary work, but all the time have labored as faithfully as if the salvation of their souls depended upon how large a number of children they could bring into the world. ...How much better would have been their influence if they had not married .... These had cases will illustrate all..."

"The time is and has been for years, that bringing children into the world is more an occasion of grief than joy. The very atmosphere is polluted. Satan controls these children, and the Lord has but little to do with them ...If our workers were walking close to God, they would see the situation, and would feel that it was no matter of rejoicing to bring a child into the world.

"I am thoroughly disgusted with the course of our preachers and ministers. They seem to think one the most important branches of the work is first to get as many children into the world as possible; then if they can give the remnant of their thought and ability to the work, they are doing all God required of them. We shall need a voice like John the Baptist to show my people their transgressions, and the house of Israel their sins"
(EGW Testimony bearing code mark DF97c; published in "God's Love - The Remnant Church" S.A. Nagel , pp. 68, 69, (500 copies were printed by S.A. Nagel, Sr. and subsequently recalled and destroyed by the General Conference. One copy remains .)


BIBLE NO "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth"
( l Tim.4: 1-3 KJV) .

EGW YES "Those who have received instruction regarding the evils of the use of flesh foods...will not continue to indulge their appetite for food that they know to be unhealthful. God demands that the appetite be cleansed. This is a work that will hav e to be done before His people can stand be fore Him a perfected people,"
( CDF 36 ) .


BIBLE NO "Neither is there salvation in any other; for none other name under heaven given among men , whereby we must be saved ."
( Act s 4: 12 KJV ) .

BIBLE NO " For mine eyes have seen thy salvation Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel ". ( Luke 2 : 30 - 33 KJ V .)

EGW; YES "The light God has given on health reform is our salvation, and the salvation of the world". (CDF 461) .

EGW YES " A denial of appetite is salvation to you" ( IT 546 ) .


BIBLE NO " Then Jesus spake unto them saying , I am the light of the world he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life ."
( John 8: 12 KJ V ) .

BIBLE NO " I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness". (John 12: 46 KJV).

BIBLE NO "...But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1 John 1: 5-7 KJV).

EGW YES " God has permitted the light on health reform to shine upon us in these last days, that by walking in the light we may escape the dangers to which we shall be exposed..." (CDF 22)

EGW YES "Seventh Day Adventists are handling momentous truths. More than forty years ago the Lord gave us special light on health reform, but how are we walking in that light. How many have refused to live in harmony with the counsels of God..." (CDF 404).


BIBLE YES " . . . I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there. . .And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook. . .And it came to pass , as they still went on, and talked, that, behold , there appeared a chariot of fire, and parted asunder, and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven"
(1 Kings 17: 2- 6; 2 Kings 2 :11 KJV) .

EGW. NO " . . .Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven..." (CDF64 ; See also CDF 355) .


BIBLE YES "Then came the day of the unleavened bread when the passover must be killed. And he (Jesus) sent Peter and John saying, Go prepare us the passover, that we may eat... And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover (lamb) with you before I suffer." ( Luke 22: 7,8 ,14, 15 . KJV)

EGW NO "Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform" (CDF 339).


BIBLE YES "And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel saying these are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. (Lev; 11" 1, 2 KJV).

BIBLE YES "...thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates...according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee... , (Deut. 12: 15 KJV) .

BIBLE YES "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that that in latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer". ( 1 Tim. 4: 1 - 4 K J V ) .

EGW NO " God did not provide for the flesh of dead animals to compose the diet of men. It is a gross perverted taste that will accept such food. (CDF 410).

EGW NO "Shall human beings live on the flesh of dead animals? The answer from the light God has given us is, NO, decidedly No." (CDF 388)

EGW NO "We do not need flesh food at all. God can give us something better". (CDF 385 )


BIBLE NO "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nat.ions that are upon the earth. Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. These are the beasts which ye shall eat; the ox, the sheep and the goat. The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois. And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts ye shall eat". (Deut. 14: 2-6 KJV).

EGW YES " . . .Will the people who are seeking to become holy, pure, refined, that they may be introduced into the society of heavenly angels, continue to take the life of God' s creatures and enjoy their flesh as a luxury? From what the Lord has shown me, this order of things will be changed, and God's peculiar people will exercise temperance in all things." (CDF 381)


BIBLE YES "After these things the Lord appointed another seventy also , and sent them two by two before his face into every city and place whither he himself would come. Therefore he (Jesus) said unto the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give for the Laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. And whatsoever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you" (Luke l0: 1, 2, 7, 8 KJV).


BIBLE YES "Since you died, as it were, with Christ and this has set you free from following the world's ideas of how to be saved by doing good and obeying various rules why do you keep right on following them anyway, still bound by such rules as not eating, tasting, or even touching certain foods? Such rules are mere human teachings , for food was made to be eaten and used up . These rules may seem good, for rules of this kind require strong devotion and are humiliating and hard on the body, but they have no effect when it comes to conquering a person's evil thoughts and desires. They only make him proud" (Col. 2: 20 -21 LB).

EGW NO "The Lord would bring his people into a position where they would not touch taste the flesh of dead animals" . (COF 411)


BIBLE YES "One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter"s brother, saith unto him, There is lad here which hath five small barley loaves, and two small fishes but what are they among so many? Then He (Jesus) took the five loaves and two fishes, and looking up in heaven he blessed them, and brake , and gave them to the deciples to set before the multitude. And they did eat and were filled. ."
(John 6: 9; Luke 9: 12 17 KJ V) .

BIBLE YES "If a son asked bread of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? Or if he ask an egg will he give him a scorpion? If ye being evil know to give good things unto your children, how much more shall our heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"
(Luke 11: 11- 13 KJV) .

EGW NO "You place upon your tables butter, eggs and meat , and your children partake of them. They are fed with the very things that excite their animal passions, and then you come to meeting and ask God to bless and save your children. How high do your prayers go?" (CDF 366)


BIBLE NO "In those days I Daniel was in mourning three full weeks. I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all till three whole weeks were fulfilled, ( Dan. 10: 2 , 3 KJ V ) .

EGW YES "They decided that as flesh had not composed their diet in the past, it should not come into their diet in the future, and as wine had been prohibited to all who should engage in the service of God, they determined that they would not partake of it". (Youth Instructor, August 18, 1898, as quoted in RH December 23, 1954).


BIBLE NO "While the meat was yet between their teeth, before it was consumed, the anger of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague . . . " ( Num. 11: 33) .

EGW YES "God granted their desire, giving them flesh, and leaving them to eat till their gluttony produced a plague, from which many of them died". (CDF 148 .)


BIBLE YES "When the Lord thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after. If the place which the Lord hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, and thou shall kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the Lord hath given thee as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after " ( Deut. 12: 20 KJV) .

EGW. NO "those who indulge in meat eating, tea drinking and gluttony are seeds for a harvest of pain and death . . .A diet off flesh meat tends to develop animalism. A development of animalism lessens spirituality rendering the mind incapable of understanding the truth . The word of God plainly warns us that unless we abstain from fleshly lusts the physical nature will be brought into conflict with the spiritual nature. Lustful eating wars against health and peace ." ( C D F 382 ) .


BIBLE YES "These are the statutes and judgments, which he shall observe to do in the land, which the Lord God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it , all the days that ye live upon the earth. . .and thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices , and your tithes, and heave offerings, and of your hand, and your vows and your freewill offerings, and the first lings of your herds and of your flocks, and there ye shall eat before your God. . ."

BIBLE YES " . . . thou shall kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the Lord hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shall eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after" ( Deut. 12: 21 KJ V ) .

BIBLE YES "And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God ....the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always" . ( Deut. 14: 23 KJV).

EGW NO " I present the word of the Lord God of Israel. Because of transgression, the curse of God has come upon the earth itself, and upon the cattle, and upon all flesh. Human beings are suffering the result of their own course of action in departing from the commandments of God. The Lord will bring His people into a position where they will not touch the flesh of dead animals. There is no safety in the eating of the flesh of dead animals, and in a short time the milk of cows will also be excluded from the diet of God's commandment keeping people... the Lord will not be trifled with" (CDF 411)


BIBLE YES "You may eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience"(1 Cor.. 10: 2 5 , 2 6 N E B) .

EGW NO " . . . Disease is contracted by the use of meat. The diseased flesh of these dead carcasses is sold in the marketplace and disease among men is the sure result. The Lord will bring His people to a position where they will not touch or taste the flesh of dead animals. ( CDF 411 ) .


BIBLE NO " And he (Jesus) called the multitude and said unto them, Hear ye and understand not that which goes into the mouth defileith a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man, (Matt . 15 :10-11 KJV) .

BIBLE NO "And Jesus said are ye also yet without understanding? Do ye not understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart; and defileth the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witnesses, blasphemies These are the things which defile a man... "( Matt . 15 : 17 - 29 KJ V ) .

BIBLE NO "And When he (Jesus) had called all the people unto him he said unto them, harken unto me every one of you, and understand There is nothing from without a man, that entereth into him can defile him but the things which come out him, those are they that defile the man" (Mark. 7: 14,15 KJV)

EGW YES "Man is very dear to God, because he was formed in his own image. This fact should impress us with the importance of teaching by precept and example the sin of defiling, by the indulgence of appetite, the body which is designed to represent God to the world" (HL 10).


BIBLE NO "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel . . . But though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you, than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again , If any man preach any other gospel unto you, let him be accursed" (Gal. 1:6- 9 KJV ).

EGW YES " The gospel of health is to be firmly linked with the ministry of the word. It is the Lord"s design that the restoring influence of health reform shall be of the last great effort to proclaim the gospel message. ( CDF 750.

EGW YES "The gospel of health has able advocates, but their work has been made very hard because so many ministers, presidents of conferences, and others in positions of influence, have failed to give the question of health reform its proper attention". ( 6T 327 ) .


BIBLE NO "And this shall be the priests due from the people, from them that offer a sacrifice, whether it be ox or sheep and they shall give unto the priest the shoulder, and the two cheeks, and the maw. The first fruit also of thy corn of thy wine, and of thine oil and the first fleece of thy sheep shalt thou give unto him. For the Lord thy God hath him chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the Lord, and his sons forever." ( Deut. l8: l- 5 KJ V)

EGW YES "A meat diet changes the disposition and strengthens animalism. When the animal part of the human agent is strengthened by meat eating, the intellectual power is diminished proportionately. A religious life can be more successfully maintained if meat is discarded, for this diet stimulates into intense activity lustful propensities and enfeebles the moral and spiritual nature". (CDF 389) .

EGW YES " By the use of flesh meats the animal nature is strengthened and the spiritual nature is weakened. . (C D F 383 ) .

EGW YES "The more largely flesh composes the diet of teachers and pupils, the less susceptible will be the mind to comprehend spiritual things". (CDF 395)

BIBLE YES " So he (Jesus) asked them, "Have ye anything to eat?" They offered him a piece of fish they had cooked, which he took and ate before their eyes....Then he led them out as far as Bethany and blessed them with uplifted hands; and in the act of blessing he parted from them, ( Luke 24 : . 42 , 50 - 52 NEB ) .

EGW NO "How can those who are seeking to become pure and holy that they may have the companionship of heavenly angels...take the life of God's creatures that they may consume flesh? ( CDF 380 )


BIBLE NO "Likewise this is the law of the trespass offering it is most holy. Every male among the priest shall eat thereof ... all the meat offering that is baken in the oven, and all that is dressed in the frying pan, and in the pan shall be the priest's that offered it ". ( Lev. 7 :1, 6-9 KJV )

EGW YES "Your appetites are morbid, and because you do not relish a plain simple diet, composed of unbolted flour, vegetables and fruits prepared without spices or grease, you are continually transgressing the laws which God has established in your system (CDF 124 )

EGW YES "You should keep grease out of your food. It defiles any preparation of food you may ma ke. (CDF 354)

EGW YES "Grains and fruits free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who are preparing for translation to heaven... ," ( CDF 64 ) .

EGW YES " Many healthful dishes can be prepared which are free from grease and from the flesh of dead animals.". ( CDF 407 )

EGW YES "Nothing should be taken to campmeeting except the most healthful articles, cooked in a simple manner, free of all spices and grease". (CDF 85) .


BIBLE YES "Then Abraham ran back to the tent and said to Sarah, "Quick! Mix up some pancakes! Use your best flour, and make enough for the three of them, (Angels) Then he ran out to the herd and selected a fat calf and told a servant to hurry and butcher it. Soon, taking them (angels) cheese and milk and the roast veal, he set it before the men and stood beneath the trees beside them as they ate" (Gen.18: 6-8 LB).

EGW NO "Cheese is still more objectionable it is wholly unfit for food . . .Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach" ( CDF 368 ) .

EGW NO "The effect of cheese is deleterious. ( CDF 236 ) .


BIBLE NO "So then because thou are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot I will spue thee out of my mouth , ( Rev. 3: l6 KJV)

BIBLE NO " As cold waters to a thirsty soul , so is good news from far country" (Prov . 25: 25 KJV) .
BIBLE NO " And whomsoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward". (Matt 10: 42 KJ V ) .

BIBLE NO " Will a man leave the snow of Lebanon which cometh from the rock of the field? Or shall the cold flowing waters that come from another place be foresaken?( Jer. l8: l4 KJV ).

EGW YES "Food should not be eaten very hot or very cold, if food is cold, the vital force of the stomach is drawn upon in order to warm it before digestion can take place. Cold drinks are injurious for the same reason while the free use of hot drinks is debilitating. (CDF lO6).


BIBLE NO " Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good". (Isa. 7 : 14, 15 KJV).

EGW. YES "Butter and meat stimulate. They have injured the stomach and perverteded the taste. The sensitive nerves of the brain have been benumed, and the animal appetite strengthened at the expense of morals and intellectual faculties. These higher powers, which should control, have been growing weaker, so that eternal things have not been discerned. ( CDF 48 ) .


BIBLE NO "Now the spirit speaketh expressly in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer" (1Tim. 4: 1-4 KJV).

EGW YES "Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. ( CDF 380) .

EGW YES "It is for their own good that the Lord counsels the remnant church to discard the use of flesh meats." (CDF 381) .


BIBLE NO "To the law and the to the testimony they speak not according to this word, it is because there is not light in them" (Isa. 8 : 2 0 KJV ) .

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Postby joyfulchild on Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:21 pm

Issue Date: January/February 2008

By David W. Daniels

What if you could buy a Bible with your own church’s doctrines written between its pages? The helps in study Bibles often contain a doctrinal slant. But what if the actual scriptures were “re-translated” to teach your favorite doctrines? Wait a minute. That would be tampering with the word of God! NOBODY does that! Or do they?

That is exactly what happened in The Clear Word Bible (2003) by Jack J. Blanco. His personal beliefs and denominational doctrines are written right into the Bible verses themselves. Here are some examples:

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Postby Be still on Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:51 pm

So choose your Bible carefully. God gave English speakers one Bible: the King James Bible, His preserved words in English. It is the only literal English translation of God’s preserved words and their correct meanings. And if anybody changes those words, according to the word of God, he is a liar.

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Postby brandon on Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:12 pm

So choose your Bible carefully. God gave English speakers one Bible: the King James Bible, His preserved words in English. It is the only literal English translation of God’s preserved words and their correct meanings. And if anybody changes those words, according to the word of God, he is a liar.

This is clear false doctrine. The KJV is riddled with misinterpretations and errors. False doctrines should be fought with the truth, not other false doctrines.
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Postby joyfulchild on Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:16 am

I apologise.It was not my intention to present false information.
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Re: Seventh Day Adventists

Postby brandon on Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:06 pm

joyfulchild wrote:I apologise.It was not my intention to present false information.

It's ok, I'm guilty of that sometimes as well. Thank you for a sensitive heart.

Perhaps we could say an orthodox translation?
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Re: Seventh Day Adventists

Postby windaura on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:10 am

crmann wrote:The SDA church is a cultic church.

Under the dictionary definition of a cult, any religious group could be classified as such.
crmann wrote:She is revered as a great prophet of God on a par with the Biblical prophets. In fact she herself claimed to be more than any of the Biblical prophets.

Is there any documentation of White saying this?
crmann wrote:If a member were to reject EGW he would be excommunicated from the SDA church.

Do you have a documentation of this occuring?

Now, I'm not too sure myself that I believe in the verity of Ellen G. White's prophethood. I am increasingly finding evidence against what she has said. However, it's not rational to conclude that because she is not a true prophet, the entire church can be labeled as a cult.
crmann wrote:The SDA claim that they are the “remnant church”. They claim that only they possess the truth.

Give an official statement from the Adventist church that verifies this.
crmann wrote:The SDA are quick to condemn anyone who is not in agreement with them.

This is an erroneous generalization. This type of information is usually acquired from a personal experience. Personal experience is often an unreliable source.
crmann wrote:They stress Old Covenant law over New Testament grace.

This is also untrue. The Adventists do not conform to the Old Covenant i.e. the ceremonial law - the one that was abolished at Christ's death. They do, however, hold to the Ten Commandments (which were not abolished and are eternal), as all followers of Christ should.
crmann wrote:They are authoritarian because church officials attempt to control ever aspect of members lives.

What a claim! What information have you to support this?
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Re: Seventh Day Adventists

Postby brandon on Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:04 am


What about this?

"My accompanying angel bade me look for the travail of souls for sinners as used to be. I LOOKED BUT COULD NOT SEE IT FOR THE TIME FOR THEIR SALVATION IS PAST. Dear Brother and Sister, I have now written the vision God gave me. I am tired sitting so long. Our position looks very clear. WE KNOW WE HAVE THE TRUTH, THE MIDNIGHT CRY IS BEHIND US, THE DOOR WAS SHUT IN 1844 AND JESUS IS SOON TO STEP OUT FROM BETWEEN GOD AND MAN." Letter 5-1849, White Estate, (March 24-30, 1849)

At first, she and many others believed that the door was shut for salvation for the whole world, but then they later changed it later to mean that the door was shut to those who had rejected the proclamation about October 22, 1844 and Christ's second coming. She has "the truth," and for all of those who rightly rejected the Millerite date setting errors there remains only perdition.

Also, check out this article on the history of Seventh Day Adventism's Arianism. ... hidden.htm

James White, as well as many other SDA preachers, did not believe in the Trinity for most of the first thirty years of the SDA church. Ellen White did not speak out against this heresy until after her husband died.

Seventh Day Adventism looks a lot more Evangelical nowadays then when it first started. Most SDA's would reject Ellen White and her husband if they were around today because of the sheer extremity of their teaching. It is known fact that James White believed that Jesus was not God. Scary thought.
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