THE THIRD TEMPLE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION

[amessenger4god]

I don't want to sound like I'm beating a dead horse here, but I've found a video from a few months ago that has caused me to believe almost unequivocally that the 3rd temple is going up in Mitzpe Yericho. This is it. The only question that remains is when will it be finished. As a group we have been able to find bits and pieces of information about this project, but this video answers the questions directly. I believe this video should be new information to many of you.

1.) It IS being built on an EXACT 1-to-1 scale. The temple will literally be 20 stories high.

2.) It IS under full-scale construction, and significant progress has likely been made since this video.

3.) There is quite literally only ONE difference between this Temple and the one most Jews/Christians expected. . . it is NOT BEING BUILT IN THE OLD CITY OF JERUSALEM.

I believe the antichrist will step in on the basis of the Two-State Solution (i.e. Palestinian "sovereignty"), close down the Temple in Mitzpe Yericho, halt the sacrifices (i.e. grain offerings, wine/water libations, etc...), and declare himself to be a god.

WATCH THE VIDEO! http://www.levitt.tv/media/watch/news-2010-02

[PraiseHim]

That will be amazing to see when it is built, it looks so huge.

[learningeachday]

Very interesting! Thank you for posting; it's great to see an update on their progress!

Wow... Seems to me your idea is quite plausible...

Can they just hurry up, though?!!!

[Lorne]

Its just a school isn't it? Does that disqualify it from prophecy?

[Justasheep]

Its just a school isn't it? Does that disqualify it from prophecy?

From the plans they are showing it has all the exact Torah specifications of the temple, except that it is on a different piece of land. That I know of there is no biblical justification for building the temple in a different place and calling it the Temple, if there is I would hope someone here would enlighten us and point us to the relevant text.

[amessenger4god]

Hey Justasheep!

You are right that there isn't a scripture that says the Temple can be built elsewhere. . . BUT neither is there scripture that says it can't. The Levitical law has no specifications about location, only about dimensions, ritual purification, decorations, etc. . .

There is NO Biblical reason why the 3rd Temple has to be built on the Temple Mount. IN FACT, considering that Revelation 11 describes how the Court of the Gentiles (i.e. the Temple Mount proper) is to be left out of the measurements AND the holy city has been given to the Gentiles for 42 months, at this point it almost seems like a suspension of reality to believe the Mitzpe Yericho Temple is not what was prophesied.

In effect, if this Temple is not the 3rd Temple, then there will literally be TWO TEMPLES that are EXACTLY the same. Also, remember that this "Temple" is only to serve prophecy, not to actually serve God, per se. We, as Christians, are the real Temple.

At this point, considering current events, considering everything we know, I find it harder to believe that this is NOT the 3rd Temple, than believing it is.

And when the Orthodox Jews see this huge structure prominently situated over the Judean mountains, you better believe it is going to get their religious fervor boiling, and the Palestinians in an uproar.

If the 3rd Temple is on the Temple Mount, then I don't see how the antichrist will have the authority and/or ability to halt sacrifices. The Temple Mount is effectively under Israeli control. Also, we have been wondering for a long time how the Dome of the Rock will be justifiably demolished. Both of these issues are not a problem in Mitzpe Yericho... the TEMPLE is already under construction AND it is in the West Bank.

[Mr Baldy]

If the 3rd Temple is on the Temple Mount, then I don't see how the antichrist will have the authority and/or ability to halt sacrifices.

First of all, thanks for this information amessenger4god.

I personally don't believe that a 3rd Temple will ever be built on the Temple Mount. I also don't believe that there is a Peace Agreement on Earth that would ever contain enough "anything" in it to satisfy the Palestinians, and subsequently allow the Israelis to erect the 3rd Temple.

This is a very interesting video.

Matthew 24:15 states:

"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the HOLY PLACE (let the reader understand)" - (emphasis mine)

Question is......What exactly is the "HOLY PLACE", and what does Jesus mean by "let the reader understand"?

Could this place qualify as the "HOLY PLACE"?

[Abiding in His Word]

NASB

Heb 9:1 Now even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary.
Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle prepared, the outer one, in which were the lampstand and the table and the sacred bread; this is called the holy place.
Heb 9:3 Behind the second veil there was a tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies

[Lorne]

I guess one could assume as most people have that the holy place that Jesus spoke of would be the Temple mount. But then again who can really be sure what exactly the "Holy Place" refers to. When Jesus came as the messiah, he came in a way "not foreseen by men," so we can assume many end times prophecies aren't fulfilled exactly as we have foreseen it.

[learningeachday]

Matthew 24:15 states:

"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the HOLY PLACE (let the reader understand)" - (emphasis mine)

Question is......What exactly is the "HOLY PLACE", and what does Jesus mean by "let the reader understand"?

Could this place qualify as the "HOLY PLACE"?

Don't we have an entire thread somewhere on this site dedicated to the discussion of what qualifies as the "Holy Place?" I feel like we do--I think I read it in the past. Perhaps someone has already dissected this for us...

[Justasheep]

What I think will convince me that this is indeed a third temple is:

1) If the Kohanim begin performing sacrifices in this temple

2) I'll be shouting from the rooftops if the EU is somehow involved in enforcing its animal welfare rules on the Temple School and forbiding the Kohanim from continuing their sacrifices. Admittedly this would take a major change in many of the political facts on the ground there. It would mean an assumption of administrative control of the West Bank by the EU, which I don't think is such an outlandish possibility as an effort to end the war there that we all can see is about to start.

[Just_Betsy]

Because of the Red Heifer (assuming it truly exists), the Kohanim could be cleansed for entry into the Holy of Holies, if I understand it right. It's conceivable.

[Mr Baldy]

Don't we have an entire thread somewhere on this site dedicated to the discussion of what qualifies as the "Holy Place?"

I don't believe that any definitive answer has ever been submitted as to what qualifies as the "Holy Place" - Jesus was referring to in Matthew 24:15.

Matthew 24:15 reads:

"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)"

Until one "understands", first of all what the "Holy Place" is, that Jesus was referring to - and second, what He meant by qualifying His statement about the "Holy Place" in that it requires understanding - then I would venture to say that there is some sort of significant meaning as to why He stated that this requires understanding.

I would also venture to say that there is certainly a challenge before we who are watching to seek to learn this "understanding" that Jesus is requiring; in order that we may progress in our knowledge. Understanding what Matthew 24:15 means could also tell us whether or not a 3rd Temple on the Temple Mount is even required (as some speculate) for the Midpoint of the 70th week, or even necessary to carry out the AOD.

[Adamantine]

If sacrifice begins in it the issue is sort of settled.
Given the known 2000 year attachment to Jerusalem and the Temple Mount and wailing wall which is but a vestige of it I doubt they will sacrifice at a different site. This building sure gets the kinks out of any future planning however and a Temple could then really go up fast in the future at the Temple Mount.

[Mr Baldy]

If sacrifice begins in it the issue is sort of settled.
Given the known 2000 year attachment to Jerusalem and the Temple Mount and wailing wall which is but a vestige of it I doubt they will sacrifice at a different site. This building sure gets the kinks out of any future planning however and a Temple could then really go up fast in the future at the Temple Mount.

In reading Daniel 9:27:

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

I don't really know if this particular passage of Scripture actually requires that "physical" animal sacrifices must be occurring at the time of the "stoppage". I have noticed that many have never mentioned the "grain offering" which is also included (in other translations). Why is it commonly believed that "physical" animal sacrifices must be occurring at the time the Antichrist causes it to stop? The only requirement is that he puts and end to it.

This could also mean that the coming Antichrist will "put an end to sacrifice and offering" by some type of Law that is enacted, not that the act of animal sacrifice, and grain offering has to be occurring. It could also mean that if one were to carry out such act(s), they would be arrested, charged, or even jailed. I do believe that the ENP(I) does have an animal rights clause in it.

This new "School" which will be built just like the former Temple really interests me. It could have more of a Biblical meaning that we all realize at this point.

[gracebyfaith]

The third temple will be in Jerusalem, but the thought that a future training center might be needed is intriguing.

I believe, there are those who have now been made ready through great expense and hidden rituals, to perform the unholy rites that should have been done away with the redemptive Sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

The worlds days are numbered as are those who profess Christ!

Know the love of thy brother as thy self…..You will lose self and gain more of He who calls.

[eschologizer]

Greetings,

amessenger4god great find!!!!!!!!!

I had so much trouble finding stuff about this. Now finally we get to see the blueprint!

I also believe that this would qualify for the fulfillment of prophecy, as you said it is 1 to 1 scale and for learning to sacrifice.

I just wish we could find out more about it. When I emailed Levi Chazen a few months ago, he said they were seeking funding to continue with the project. I don't know the status of things now unfortunately

As far as the abomination of desolation I personally believe some sort of temple structure is required, even though it may be a minimal temple. (i.e. a simple altar and holy place - Revelation 11).

When Jesus says "so when you see the abomination that causes desolation standing in the holy place- let the reader understand-" I think what he is saying is for us to understand what the "abomination that causes desolation" is in the first place. When we study Jewish history, we know that the first abomination of desolation occurred when Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled prophecy in Daniel 11:31 and set up the "abomination that causes desolation." HIstorians believe this was an idol of Zeus in the temple and a sacrifice of a pig on the altar, if I understand correctly. So when Jesus said "abomination that causes desolation" their minds would have immediately gone to that event, because they were familiar with the term. However, Jesus is implying there will be a different abomination right before his second coming. When we return to Daniel 9:27, as Jesus is referring to Daniel, we see that we have the same situation, but with a different type of idol.

27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of (A)abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a (B)complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

In effect, I believe that this is what Jesus wants us to understand. We understand the nature of the end time abomination of desolation. Since "abomination that causes desolation" is a special term for temple desecration, this verse reveals to us that it will not be a physical idol of gold, but a person himself who "makes desolate." This person is the abomination that causes desolation, idolizing himself in the temple.

I believe Paul sort of "understand" for us, as he describes this event in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NASB)

3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

This verse and Revelation 11:2 solidify for me the need for an end times temple. I believe that this probably is the only structure that could qualify at this point, if the ENPI is indeed the covenant with many.

Just my thoughts however, feel free to disagree

[Mr Baldy]

I believe Paul sort of "understand" for us, as he describes this event in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NASB)


3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

This verse and Revelation 11:2 solidify for me the need for an end times temple. I believe that this probably is the only structure that could qualify at this point, if the ENPI is indeed the covenant with many.

Hi eschologizer,

I believe that I see the point that you are trying to make; however, in Matthew 24:15 Jesus mentions the AOD "standing" in the "holy place" - He does not refer to the "temple of God" as Paul does. In contrast, Paul states that "he takes his seat" in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God - nor does Paul indicate that this is the AOD. Rather, I believe that this is when the Antichrist is actually "revealed", as Paul uses this passage of Scripture to indicate to the Church, that the Coming of our Lord will not happen until the AC is "revealed" and the "falling away" has occurred first.

The reason why I am mentioning these comparisons, because they could be two different occurrences.

Let me explain......

If this new finding that amessenger4god has brought our attention to, is a "holy place"; then this could very well qualify for the AOD to occur - especially since the ENP(I) is about to reach the Midpoint, and the "ground breaking" has already occurred for this building. I too believe that a literal temple will be built - and even perhaps later on during the 70th week, which could also qualify as to what Paul is mentioning.

It has been an assumption, (IMHO) that the AOD has to occur within the 3rd Temple - when neither Jesus, or Paul mentions that the AOD actually occurs there. As a matter of fact, there is a translation that specifically states that the AOD will be set up (stand) on "a wing" of the temple. (Daniel 9:27 - NIV)

I could be wrong about this, and I'm just mentioning this to bring about further dialogue, so that this great information may bring about edification to us all.

[amessenger4god]

Thanks everyone for the great input. We need to continue watching this very closely, while finding out more about the progress.

I guess watching this video just made me realize: if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. . .

It looks like the Temple, it is the EXACT same size as the Temple, and for all practical purposes it IS the Temple.

...Something else just crossed my mind: this "3rd Temple Academy" is for training the Kohanim, right? And the WHOLE POINT of their training is to ACTUALLY learn how to perform kosher sacrifices, right? We know for a fact that they have actually drilled holes for water and wine libations... I mean, the priests are not just going to be walking around with empty bowls, invisible/pretend goats, and empty cups... of course not. They are building this so that the priests can actually sacrifice and get FIRST HAND experience.

By the way, for anyone who has not yet watched this video, make sure you do: http://www.levitt.tv/media/watch/news-2010-02

Personally I see no reason why this isn't the 3rd Temple. The 3rd Temple is apostate, after all. It only serves prophecy, not necessarily God. Also, it is the 4th Temple of the later chapters of Ezekiel that appears to actually serve as Christ's throne during the Millennial Kingdom.

The interviewer in the video mentions that he plans on following up on this project, so considering this video is older, perhaps we can expect an update soon. I sure wish I had a couple thousand bucks to take a little trip to Israel and see for myself

...Oh, and one last thing: about where Jesus says "let the reader understand". It does seem like Jesus is saying, in essence, that the Temple will NOT be as we expected it. Either not in Jerusalem proper, or the AOD will not be in the 3rd Temple...

[Abiding in His Word]

.Oh, and one last thing: about where Jesus says "let the reader understand". It does seem like Jesus is saying, in essence, that the Temple will NOT be as we expected it.

I agree. That's one reason we keep our eyes and ears open so we will understand.

[Just_Betsy]

Different translations of Dan 9:27

Holman: He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

Jewish Publication Society: And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.'

KJV: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Literal Translation (Young's?): And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a corner of the altar will be abominations that desolate, even until the end. And that which was decreed shall pour out on the desolator.

NKJV: Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

ESV: He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

The ESV study notes have this to say about the verse: The final part of v. 27 is extremely difficult to translate. Literally, it reads, “In the middle of that seven, he will put an end to sacrifice and offering, and on account of the extremity [or “wing” ] of abominations that cause desolation, until the end that has been decreed, it will be poured out unto desolation.”

I'm not sure, from looking at all of these, why some translations say "a wing of the Temple" or "a corner of the altar," while others don't mention the Temple or an altar at all. Some seem to think that the "wing" or "extremity" is descriptive of abominations, not descriptive of some part of the Temple or an altar.

I started looking at all of this because I was curious about the phrase "wing of the temple." I wondered if it might mean something like "an outlying Temple," or one which was not on the Mount. But I don't see anything that can justify such an interpretation. Too bad. It was an exciting thought.

Thanks for letting me ramble here...

[GodsStudent]

Think this seminar presentation at Understanding the Times is a must listen to for those wanting to discuss this topic.

Listen to the show Web Bonus Special, Gary Kah. He does two, the one that gets so much into the temple (and this is intense, you may want to listen with paper and pen), is the 2nd one.

The first one was also fantastic.

http://www.olivetreeviews.org/radio/mp3/

[berean]

Hi Everyone.. I read you guys all the time, every day, but seldom post.

Mr Baldy wrote:
Matthew 24:15 states:

"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the HOLY PLACE (let the reader understand)" - (emphasis mine)

Question is......What exactly is the "HOLY PLACE", and what does Jesus mean by "let the reader understand"?
Could this place qualify as the "HOLY PLACE"?
The word "Holy" translated from the Greek word "hagios" means ceremonially consecrated.
The word "Place" translated from the Greek word "topos" means spot, place, or room.
The word "Understand" translated from the Greek word "noieo" means to exercise the mind, observe, heed, comprehend.

So, could Matthew 24:15 be read as: Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the CEREMONIALLY CONSECRATED PLACE OR ROOM (let the reader HEED or COMPREHEND!!!)

Could not a group of the Sanhedrin or priests CONSECRATE a place in a Temple not on the original site. Just Thinking!


Berean

[eschologizer]

Mr. Baldy,

That is a very interesting suggestion, that the AOD and the the man of lawlessness being revealed are two separate events. You have presented some interesting thoughts here.

The reason that I believe Paul is referring to AOD in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is for a couple of reasons. First, as far as prophetic scripture is concerned, the entire chapter of 2 Thessalonians 2 is loaded with cross references to Matthew 24 and other parts of the Bible (as is 1 Thessalonians 4-5). The reason I question the idea that there are two separate events is because Paul seems to be consistently referring to teachings that have already been presented (i.e. Jesus discourse, Old Testament, etc.). Though Paul very much has a different style than Jesus (in many different passages), all of the teachings are derived from his previous teachings. It is my understanding that there is no new prophetic information presented until the book of Revelation, which is a special vision to add information.

So basically what I am saying is this. If Paul is presenting a new and different event that is not mentioned in previous Scriptures when he is writing this letter in 50's AD, then that means he is presenting totally new information that the disciples themselves did not have up until 50 AD. Personally, I would find this unusual, considering all of the rest of the end time material he can trace to Jesus or the old testament. Also, the concept Paul presents in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 can be derived exegetically from other parts of the Bible. (AOD refers to an idol in the temple cf Daniel 11:31 and history, while 2 Thes. 2 is also an idol in the temple). This is why I personally don't see it as a separate event from AOD, as this would raise the question to where Paul got his information and why he himself is introducing a new event, when everything else he said up until that point referred to a previous teaching.

(Sorry that was kind of long winded on my part)

As far as the standing versus sitting, I think it is extremely observant of you to note the difference. It is very right and justifiable to explore the reason behind this difference. Personally, I don't see it as a major issue, as if I were to enter a room, I would be standing prior to sitting down. I see the same situation with the Antichrist. I see him entering the temple standing, perhaps announcing his own deity, then subsequently taking his seat (or reverse order, he enters, presents himself, then sits and declares deity). Perhaps if he intends to stay in the holy place an extended time, he would become tired and want to sit down. Nonetheless, I too have noticed the difference in the past, and I think it is a valuable observation to note that Jesus says "standing" while Paul says he takes his seat.

As far as the "holy place" versus "temple," it is my understanding that as part of the temple is the "holy place" room, which is the inner sanctuary of the entire structure. I find it intriguing that Paul calls the temple "naos" instead of "heiron." "naos" is the sanctuary part, while "hieron" is the entire temple campus. Paul's use of "naos" here instead of "heiron" seems to be consistent with Jesus' statement that the abomination of desolation stands in the "holy place."

It is very true that the Abomination of desolation phrase is not specifically mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2. Nevertheless, I found this in an article that there may be a loose literary parallel between "lawlessness" and "abomination." This fact alone certainly doesn't prove that Paul was referring to the AOD, but I think it is interesting nonetheless.

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/price/11rp.pdf
(Taken from article "Abomination of Desolation" by Randall Price)

Although the phrase “abomination of desolation” does not appear in Paul’s description of the end time desecration of the Temple in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, both context and allusions within the text evidently have this event in view. For example, some uses of bdelugma (“abomination”) in the Septuagint (in the Prophets) are paralleled by the word anomia (“lawlessness”) with reference to idolatrous practices. Such usage in the Old Testament supports the allusion to the “abomination of desolation” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 where the figure who magnifies himself above every idol to “idolize” himself (“display himself as god,” verse 4c) in the Temple is described as “the man of lawlessness.”

As always, I could be wrong. As with what you have said, I present this for the mutual edification of us all and intend it to be presented in a very friendly manner (as vocal tonalities are hard to express in writing) . I do find it very interesting thoughts that you have presented regarding the AOD versus the man of lawlessness and the temple, and you have made some very important observations regarding those.

What are your thoughts on this?

[GodsStudent]

http://www.olivetreeviews.org/radio/mp3/

I completely agree with Gary Kah that believers should temper their excitement about the building of the third temple in that it will lead to the destruction of many of our brothers and sisters. Yes, of course, following that, Jesus will return, but ....

That said, the excitement about the Sanhedrian's involvement (and these are the ones I believe will get the temple built, because its a joint effort supported by the Vatican, Christian leaders, Muslim leaders and the Sanhedrians, which means it will be built by the Sanhedrian by the "interfaith" people who want to build it to enable people of all faiths to worship the Lord together.....the pope says the holy spirit is in all people, whether christian or not, and as a result, this temple will give access to god to all people......)

That said, there is plenty of information in the video I linked to, particularly with respect to the sanhedrian....and I think it is an important resource for all due to the sheer information provided. Hope you'll take the time to listen, it will be a strong hour for you.

Listen to web bonus special #2 by Gary Kah.

[Mr Baldy]

Hi eschologizer,

Thank you for your response.

If Paul is presenting a new and different event that is not mentioned in previous Scriptures when he is writing this letter in 50's AD, then that means he is presenting totally new information that the disciples themselves did not have up until 50 AD. Personally, I would find this unusual, considering all of the rest of the end time material he can trace to Jesus or the old testament.

Perhaps you are forgetting 1Corinthians 15:51-52; where Paul explains the Rapture of the Church. This was a "mystery", to the Church, until Paul "presents this new information".

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 reads:

51) "Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,

52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."

(AOD refers to an idol in the temple cf Daniel 11:31 and history, while 2 Thes. 2 is also an idol in the temple). This is why I personally don't see it as a separate event from AOD, as this would raise the question to where Paul got his information and why he himself is introducing a new event, when everything else he said up until that point referred to a previous teaching.

Interesting......but I don't believe that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is referring to an "idol' whereas the AOD may be an "idol". Then we must remember that Paul did not receive his teaching from man, but from Christ Himself.

Galatians 1:11-12 reads:

11) "For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12) For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."

You have mentioned Daniel 11:31, in comparison to 2 Thessalonians 2:4 - as being the same event. Well let's take a look at both passages of Scripture.

Daniel 11:31 reads:

"Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation."

2 Thessalonians 2:4 reads:

"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." (NIV)

When comparing these two passages of Scripture, I believe that it can be clearly seen that these are indeed 2 separate events. Daniel 11:31 is mentioning the AOD, and it further indicates that the "forces" of the Antichrist will set up the AOD. In contrast 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Paul is mentioning that the Antichrist himself is actually sitting in the Temple of God, displaying himself as God. This is actually when the Antichrist is "revealed". Paul qualifies, or mentions earlier in 2 Thessalonians 2 that the Coming of Jesus cannot come until the "apostasy" occurs, and the "man of sin is revealed". Paul is doing this to explain to the Body of Christ that the Day of the Lord had not arrived, as they had some concerns - and not to explain the AOD.

In closing, I appreciate the comments that you have provided by Randall Price. Randall Price has appeared to make the comparison of an "idolatrous practice"; in that he is saying that the coming Antichrist will "idolize" himself, by sitting in the Temple - with desecrating the Temple. I don't believe that these two are the same thing, nor does Paul mention that the Antichrist is desecrating the Temple at this point. So, I do have to disagree, at least at this point, with the assessment that he has made concerning the AOD; in that he is stating that Paul is mentioning the AOD in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. I believe that many have made this mistake - some who are trying to make their End Time eschatology theory work, and some who have clearly and very innocently interpreted this comparison wrong. And I could be very wrong as well.

As stated, mutual edification is the ultimate goal, and I hope that I have not come off too strong. Any further clarification, understanding, or thoughts are greatly appreciated on this matter - as it could lead to a deeper knowledge in Christ.

[Pretzelogical]

Revelation 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The above verse immediately came to my mind when the priest said they want everyone in Israel to make their own model of the temple to serve as a reminder. I could never understand how each person "should make an image TO the beast" but now I see how it could come about. Everyone unite to accomplish a purpose. If you don't, when you should, then you are a problem that needs to go.

[eschologizer]

Very interesting further information on the new temple school that is being built! It's pretty short, but very clear and I would suggest anyone listen to its entirety.

http://media.prophecytoday.com/interviews/keren-10-17-09.mp3

I found this interview by Jimmy Deyoung of Yoel Keren. Yoel Keren unveiled more information about this structure. Yoel Keren is a member of an organization that intends to build the temple.

Keren: "The sheep pens, where the sacrificial animals that they'll use to train on, have actually been completed."

They will be using actual sheep apparently.

Keren reiterated that it will be a "full scale model of the altar."

Keren: "This model of the altar will actually be hollow inside and will contain classrooms. Gives you an idea of how big the altar actually is. Its a very large structure. So this, its not an actual altar, its only a model to be trained on, it will be hollow and have classrooms inside. The priests, are now Jimmy, are actually moving from, what I would call the written test, like when a kid is learning to drive, he takes his written exam, they are moving from there into the actual driving test. These guys are getting in the drivers seat and they're actually going to be performing mock sacrifices, and learning how to offer them. Because a lot of this has only been done in theory so far. These guys haven't actually gone up to see how they would actually offer incense on the golden altar and those things. Now they're gonna actually going to be getting in the drivers seat and begin doing the work."

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Deyoung: "...do I understand also some parts of the temple itself are going to be replicated so they as you talked about burning the incense on the altar of the incense, that would be inside the holy place, and lighting of the menorah, table of the showbread, all of those things going to be replicated down there as well?"

Keren: "Absolutely. [b]Everything that will be needed for the priests to actually perform the divine service, any of the service that was done in the temple, everything that will be needed for that will be replicated for them, so that a priest when the time comes he will simply be able to walk up onto the temple mount and know exactly where he is going and what he is doing and how to perform the service."[/b]

(All bolding and emphasis is my own.)

Also, Levi Chazan, director of the Third temple project, himself confirms the reality of animal sacrifices in the temple in this interview.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/1480

Also a very interesting interview. Start at 34:38.

Chazan: "We're starting to actually break ground during these days in order to build a 1 to 1 scale of the temple which was in Yerusalem in order to teach the Cohanim the actual work which they have to perform when the temple services will be going on in Jerusalem "
[b]Interviewer:[/b] "That's intense. Like are we talking about slaughtering animals?"
Chazan: Were talking about everything.
Interviewer: Are we talking about incense?
Chazan: Yes were talking about slaughtering the animals. Where the blood has to go. For instance, does it go on the top part of the altar, the corner of the altar...

WOW,

Here is what I gather

On top of these facts:

1) Full scale altar (model for practice)
2) Full scale temple

The priests will be:

3) Performing mock sacrifices
4) I gather from the first quote that actual sheep will be used to "train on" as they have completed the sheep pen.


Thoughts?

[readyornot]

For whatever it's worth, I noticed in the video that the Jewish guy in charge of this project mentioned more than once that the Temple is supposed to be in Jerusalem. He seemed to imply, or say, that this project was just to get the ball rolling until it could be moved to where it really belongs. It kind of reminds me of how the children of Israel worshipped with the tabernacle while wandering in the wilderness. It was like a portable temple to be used until the permanent one could be built, which really, was quite a while later in history.

[amessenger4god]

Eschologizer, INCREDIBLE FIND! I continue to be astounded by this whole development.

And Readyornot, good point, just as the Tabernacle served as the Temple for the roaming Israelites, so this Temple in Mitzpe Yericho can serve as the current Jewish Temple.

When I read the Bible I find 5 physical temples: 1st Temple (destroyed by Babylonians), 2nd Temple (destroyed by Romans), 3rd Temple (destroyed by antichrist or God Himself, not really sure), 4th Temple (Millenial Temple that reflects Christ's atonement; this is described in detail in the later chapters of Ezekiel), 5th Temple (Revelation 21).

So it makes perfect sense to me that the 3rd Temple WILL NOT be on the Temple Mount for six reasons:

1.) It still reflects the Old Covenant and not Christ's atonement, while Ezekiel's Temple reflects Messiah.

2.) Christ has not yet returned to reign from Jerusalem for 1000 years.

3.) Revelation 11 indicates not to count the outer court and that the city has been given to the Gentiles for 42 months.

4.) There is no Biblical requirement for the Temple to be on the Temple Mount (case-in-point: the Tabernacle).

5.) Jesus and/or the Gospel author tells us: "let the reader understand" (i.e. something we didn't expect).

6.) AND MOST OBVIOUSLY: WE ARE NOW SEEING A TEMPLE BEING BUILT IN MITZPE YERICHO!

[eschologizer]

Thank you amessenger4god. I very much appreciate your work finding this development in the first place.

I added to my post about the sacrifices. Apparently, Levi Chazan himself has confirmed that there will be the "slaughtering of animals." It is difficult to differentiate this from what is required of an end times temple. I agree this is very very big news.

I will try to email Mr. Chazan once more. I would like to see the progress of this school and when it will be operational. Someone recently emailed the Sanhedrin, who estimated that the building of the temple could take place in 3 months. Well, this has been under construction since October 2009 and it has 2-3 months to be finished and started.

I am unsure at what point they will begin work. Last time I emailed him (in January I think) he said they were seeking more funding to continue with the project. I have not heard anything since. The last time something like this happened (the Aish Hatorah temple model) an announcement was made on it and it was hard to get any information until they again announced its completion. I wonder if we face a similar situation here.

[Mr Baldy]

Eschologizer, INCREDIBLE FIND! I continue to be astounded by this whole development.

And Readyornot, good point, just as the Tabernacle served as the Temple for the roaming Israelites, so this Temple in Mitzpe Yericho can serve as the current Jewish Temple.

AND MOST OBVIOUSLY: WE ARE NOW SEEING A TEMPLE BEING BUILT IN MITZPE YERICHO!

Eschologizer, I have to echo what amessenger4god has stated......"INCREDIBLE FIND!"

This absolutely could play into the ENP(I) theory. As we are approaching the Mid-point, this could very well be where the animal sacrifices are stopped - which may be the reason why Jesus stated in Matthew 24:15 "Let the reader understand"; as He was referring to the "Holy Place".

I don't know how soon they plan on commencing the animal sacrifices, but we do have just under 2 months for this action to start (if it fits the ENP(I) theory). I find it truly amazing that prophecy is being fulfilled right before our very eyes - yet so many are missing it, because they are looking for other events.

Thanks for being diligent in your research eschologizer!

[Just_Betsy]

I find the whole concept fascinating and encouraging. But I feel compelled to put a caution on reading too much into the phrase "Let the reader understand." I was always told that that was added by a later scribe, and is not part of the original words of Christ.

Can anyone research that and tell us if it's true or not?

[plalgum]

Im sorry that i can not answer your question,but if our Lord actually says "Let the reader understand" then he is talking DIRECTLY to our generation through time via the gospel.

[mark s]

"let the reader understand" appears in all the different manuscript groups, so there is good reason to believe it appeared in the original.

Apparently these words were not spoken by Jesus, but were inserted by the writers, and not a later scribe, but by the Gospel writers themselves, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Love in Christ,
Mark

[plalgum]

The Lord does speak to us, DIRECTLY through his word,it is for our eyes and ears only,not for other generations to understand.

[Pretzelogical]

for our eyes and ears only,not for other generations to understand.

Please provide scriptures of this teaching. (At least two witnesses required for this teaching to be true.)

[FreeInHim]

Matthew 24:15, When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

First, I believe the inclusion of "whoso readeth, let him understand" is not meant to be something Jesus actually uttered, but the writer, Matthew, inserted it. Otherwise, it would have been "whoso heareth, let him understand."

Second, the reason behind the counsel is likely due to the fact that Matthew realized that future readers would be Christian, and any Christian would be fully aware that the "holy place" is not, in fact, holy at all. The original two temples were, as Christ hadn't been born yet. But His life, death and sacrifice for us nullifies the need for a Temple with a sacrificial alter at this point. The 3rd Temple won't be sanctified by God, therefore it won't be holy.

[Mttw633]

I think Jesus was speaking to the people who would see Herod's temple be destroyed because it was only 38 years later. He was referencing Daniel 9:26. He announced to those in his hearing that not one stone would be upon another. Not much is stated in relation to the end time AoD-other than it's day 1290. (and I don't believe 2 Thess 2 is the AoD-it's a seperate occurance. That is a woe/wrath, the abomination is not described as a woe, but as a reason for wrath.)

[joey]

Hello I was just wondering what date will it be finished or close to being finished are we that close praise Jesus I wanna go home soon to meet my Lord. AMEN

[FreeInHim]

Mttw633, I should have added in my post that the parenthesis around the words "whoso readeth, let him understand" is a perfect indicator that they are inserted by the writer, Matthew, rather than spoken by Jesus. Again, because the writer's intended readers ~ Christians ~ would be fully aware that the 3rd temple will NOT be holy. That's all it means.

Sorry, but IMO Matthew was not referencing Dan. 9:26. He was referencing Dan. 9:27 and 12:11.

[eschologizer]

I have just learned that the Mitzpe Yericho project failed and the lot remains empty. Here is how I know that:

Forgive me moderators for linking to another discussion board, but that is the only way I can source the information, as it is an authoritative source (Yoel Keren- interviewed on another site by prophecy teacher Jimmy Deyoung on the mitzpe yericho project) posting on the message board.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Forum/Forum.aspx/t109565

This was posted on March 14.

A Sanhedrin is a court of Jewish judges. Their authority comes from a direct line of succession from Moses. This direct line was lost about 1600 ago. And has not yet been reestablished.

There is a small group of people that contend that they have indeed reestablished this ancient form of ordination. This is the group that you are referring to. I know them and they do not in any way shape or form intend to sacrifice anything in Mitzpeh Yericho or anywhere outside the temple mount.

What you heard/read is a mix-up between at least 3 different stories.

1. A failed attempt at constructing an altar was made in Mitzpeh Yericho last year. They intended to use it for instruction and to construct it so that it could be dismantled and moved to the temple mount if the opportunity arose. For reasons I won't go into in this post, they were unable to finish the altar.

2. There was a groundbreaking ceremonyon a training center for priests at Mitzpeh Yericho last year. I was there. There is no funding for the project and the lot sits empty.

3. Every year, the Sanhedrin guys buy or rent a few sheep and invite reporters to see them declare their intention to ascend the temple mount and make the passover offering. This year they asked me if I could supply the sheep. I told them I'd would love to supply the sheep if I had any, but I don't.

4. The temple institute recently built a model altar for display in their museum. It can't be used for sacrifice.

I'm really into the temple and I want to see it built. I want to see sacrifices resumed. But the majority of the people involved in such projects don't have the ability to see them through. Theones who do have the ability, don't have the funding. Sad but true, that's where we are.

Right now I may not be able to offer sacrifices, but Bnei Noach can and that's where my effort is going for now. By helping them, I notonly restore burnt offerings to the G-d of Israel, but I gain practical experience in altar construction. When the Jews get their act together, hopefully we'll have learned enough from the B'nei Noach to jump right in and get going.
Yoel Keren

Also, he said this March 14

This is something I was personally involved in, so I can comment.

1. There is no altar in Mitzpeh Yericho.
2. It was never announced, implied or intended that there would be sacrifices there.
3. There can be no sacrifice by Jews, outside the Temple mount.
4. You don't need a red heifer to perform the passover offering.
Yoel Keren

I don't think he means that animals won't be slaughtered, just that the person he is responding to on the board thought that the Passover sacrifice would be done at Mitzpe Yericho this year.

This is disappointing, but I have since emailed him and seek to learn more information.

[Wickus]

Well, now at least we know what is happening over there.

[Mr Baldy]

I have just learned that the Mitzpe Yericho project failed and the lot remains empty. Here is how I know that:

Forgive me moderators for linking to another discussion board, but that is the only way I can source the information, as it is an authoritative source (Yoel Keren- interviewed on another site by prophecy teacher Jimmy Deyoung on the mitzpe yericho project) posting on the message board.

Thanks for posting this eschologizer,

I noticed that the original link to the video was dated in February 2010, and this new information that you have presented is dated in March 2010; one month later. Has Jimmy DeYoung since posted an update?

Forgive me for being a bit cynical, but something sounds fishy.

[amessenger4god]

After rereading this new information it is evident that the Temple School project is still moving forward. It hasn't "failed" yet, but, as of March, construction has not been continuing. What this Rabbi is saying is simply that construction cannot continue until more funding comes in, not that the project is canceled. The land is purchased and demarcated, blueprints and architectural plans finished and ready, and the construction site is fenced off. Also, sheep pens have been built as well as the holes dug for water and wine libations at the corner of the future "mock altar" site.

The two videos are not contradictory. These Rabbis understand that any rituals/sacrifices that take place in Mitzpe Yericho are not, in their eyes, sacrifices. We know full well that they will not view them as sacrifices, but only as training for the real "Temple Mount sacrifices"... the question is... how will God view the events in Mitzpe Yericho in regards to prophecy. Nothing has changed, except we know, as of March, that construction is at a standstill. The Temple School will be built, whether it be in a month or ten months or three years--it is just a matter of funding.

Because of what we've learned (thanks to Eschologizer's excellent digging) this may not be the 3rd Temple as we thought, BUT the potential is there, we just need to keep watching.

[eschologizer]

Just recieved an email reply from Mr. Yoel Keren.

He told me that basically the bottom line is most of the Jews say they want a temple but they don't actually take the idea seriously but don't have a lot of actual desire to build it. He said evangelical Christians do because of their end times scenario. He even said the Temple Institute would not exist without evangelical Christians.

He also filled me in on the Mitzpe Yericho situation. He said that the project has been "on hold" for about ten years. It has no funding and never has. He said that they started groundbreaking for a project they had no money for so as to potentially catch the interest of a donor of some kind.

He also provided this information. Below is the exact quote:

Also, I have seen tons of speculation on the internet by Christians that eventually, real sacrifices would be brought at the proposed training center. You can tell everyone in my name that this is an impossibility. The Bible explicity forbids bringing sacrifices outside the temple mount. In the wilderness, people could sacrifice wherever they wanted. This was also the case during certain periods during the time of the Tabernacle. But the Bible explicitely says that when you "Reach the place that the Lord your God will choose" from then on sacrifices can only be brought there. "Only there you shall perform all I have commanded you". Once David saw the angel over the Temple mount with his sword drawn and built the altar, all other venues for sacrifice were off limits forever. The scriptures record one exception, this his when Elijah built the altar on Mt. Carmel. He did this as a one time event at the instruction of the Almighty himself. The idea of establishing an altar for regular sacrifice outside the temple mount is absolutely forbidden by the word of God. Not only that, the altar must be built on the exact spot of the original, no exceptions. Violation of this commandment entails "Karet" (being cut off). I'm happy to answer any other questions you have.

(In the previous email, I had made it known to him that I desired to be in contact with others on a message board.)